Valar Guild

October 8, 2023 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]

Attending (and typed): (6)

rien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Fangorn/Treebeard, Sandalf, Varda (presiding)
    The enormously long chat marathon over the week is not being included in the Before-meeting, but is available on Discord by scrolling back. and back. and back.
Meeting begins
Membership news:
    The anniversary chat marathon ends at the end of this meeting.

    Stories from Arien and Mirabella.
    Anniversary Page updates.
The State of Valar Gaming report for this year, given by Eonwe according to responses emailed back to him. Comments.
        Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Overwatch 2, Warcraft Rumble, Diablo 4, Diablo Immortal
    Topic: When was perhaps the last chance for Gollum to turn about to be on Frodo's side willingly?
    Tangent: Marshmallows and hot dogs.
    (non) Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games afterwards.



Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
It's that time!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
What time is it?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
This new phone doesn't have the alarm set. grumph

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Clobberin time!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
It's Meeting Time!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
    The New HOWDY DOODY Show
    The Howdy Doody Show - Theme Song

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Thing's fighting words : )
[4:03 PM]
@Bounder @Guild-friend Huzzah! Time for the meeting of the Valar Guild! Come say hi in meeting_place.
[4:03 PM]


Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!


[4:04 PM]
This is the last day of the 26th Anniversary chat marathon!
[4:05 PM]
Your name still goes on those credited on the Anniversary page if you give even just a Hi! in here before After-meeting. : )
If that matters, heh.
Any membership news we'd like to mention?
Aiya to Eonwe and Ar-Pharazon : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:05 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
Eonwe was doing some last minute turn-ins in LotRO

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
busy killing trolls aiya btw

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
I'm here :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
Aiya Troll-killer and Eonwe! : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Busy dragonriding in the Eastern Kingdoms Cup

Varda — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Hobbits and Dwarves thank Arien for her lighting up of Trolls.
ohhh! Good luck!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Even silver is tricky in some of them.
Let alone gold

Varda — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Then on to


Web News!

Tolkien Site / Stories:
[4:08 PM]
Newly located chapter (my slowness) by Mirabella-(V), written April 19, 2019 and submitted to Stories of Arda, for a long story still incomplete.
[4:09 PM]
But the chapter is good alone for Halloween!
This is an AU (Alternate Universe) story in which Boromir returns from the dead.
"More Things in Heaven and Earth: Chapter 7":
    After the Storm
    LotR fanfic. Boromir and Faramir

[4:10 PM]
I think we've all read Arien's story already, but here it is:
New short story by Arien-(Valar) written for the Anniversary:
    Story of the trees after the elves
    left Lothlorien.
[4:11 PM]
Leaving Stories for the moment.

The Anniversary Page continues to be updated.
Along with the new story, new screenshots are up for the two rides in Landroval.
More will be added later.
[4:12 PM]
    26th Anniversary of the Valar Guild
    Year 2023, 26th Anniversary celebration of the Valar
    Guild Tolkien fan club and gamers' group.
New stuff accepted through November since I expect to be gone part of October.
Any other Membership or Web news?
[4:13 PM]
Then on to



[4:13 PM]
Your gavel, Eonwe. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
First, GSMU results were tallied and the State of Valar Gaming 2023 has been posted.
    The Valar Guild Games Site
    Valar Guild Games Site
[4:15 PM]
Check your gaing info and make sure it's correct.
If you haven't sent in any Gaming info, you still can.
Some takeaways from this year:
[4:16 PM]
LotRO is still the most played game, though it's down by 2 from last year to 16 (we'll see if the new expansion coming will change that).
WoW is down to 2 from 4 last year. SC2 remained at 4, so it currently holds second place.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Wait. 2? I'm in WoW, Arien's in WoW, Eonwe's in WoW...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
2 people responded saying they play WoW :} Talk to all those WoW players who didn't say anything :}
I'm one of those 2, by they way, lol. So that really means one person spoke up. I wonder who that was :}
[4:20 PM]
Current membership stands at 159 as of the GSMU. Active members (as in, those who responded plus those who have logged into a character in a guild branch in the last 90 days) sits at 22 (counting myself).

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:21 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
Happy Anniversary, Sandalf : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
The same right back at you and everyone else.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Aiya Sandalf!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
As a guild, we still play a combined 22 separate games.
[4:24 PM]
Unless there are questions, I'll leave it at that for the State of Valar Gaming.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
(about a quarter of that is just me)

Varda — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
So I guess the quick skinny is
As of October 5, 2023, we know of 159 active members playing 22 games.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
You (Phar), Fladrif, and Pallando have the widest range of games, if that's of interest.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
That is of interest!!
Any hope of their overlapping with others?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
And I keep wondering where my free time goes.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:26 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
Well, aside from those three, everyone but me lists only 1 game.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
I missed catching Pallando. He was on a second ago
[4:27 PM]

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
I have 3 listed and 2 of those are LotRO and WoW, so you can imagine the third doesn't get much time, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
Which is that if I may ask?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
okay Trolls decimated ^^

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
Starcraft 2.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
Huzzah on Trollage!
[4:29 PM]
ah ok. Have to get you with Fangorn and maybe others sometime? : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Don't think anyone wants to be up at 2am just to play SC2 with me :}

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
| certainly list two games ?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
The Arizonans are on a different time zone

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
Arien, You didn't respond so all I could glean for you was LotRO.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
ah sorry i can still send you tghe update for WoW  .. but there s so many characters that tales evem ,e ages
so it won t be before tomorrow

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
You don't have to give me every character if it helps.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
I just gave my alliance, horde and classic mains, so just 3

Varda — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
I generally don't list all my characters in the GSMU, just the games.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
If you just want just give me game, server, and one or two that you're happy to be found on, we can keep it to that.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Characters tend to come in a separate post from me.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
I'm currently at 26 on Argent Dawn alone

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Oh i never knew that xD

Varda — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Mainly we're trying to see how to get together with each other, even if it's wanted.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
And will be at 33 by the time Project Horde is done.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:33 PM
The point is to be able to find eachother in the game. If you have a couple of mains to go by, great, and anyone who wants to get with you on a different char can actually gasp talk to you :}

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
all right

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
Wish I could link my character list on the armory but it only shows for the account you're logged in on, there's no specific link for a specific account.

Treebeard — Yesterday at 4:37 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
When chars are outside a guild branch (particularly one I can check) I go by what you tell me. You don't have to give me every alt, just where you want to be found, and Alliance/Horde at the least. I'll put level, but I don't track it as closely as I try to for guild branches.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Aiya Treebeard! Happy Anniversary!
[4:38 PM]
Not much point in showing level if it's not in one of our branches, except maybe a main on the Membership page perhaps? Where would we be able to show it otherwise? Maybe just get together on Discord?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
Or I can do this
[4:39 PM]
Goblin warrior still missing as  nr 26, it only shows from level 10 onward

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
I do level mostly so someone knows where that character sits relative to content if they want to get involved.
[4:40 PM]
Though for WoW anything below the 10 levels of the current expansion really can go anywhere and level now, so shrug.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
heh, Phar. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:41 PM
People at least need to know (for WoW) server, name and Alliance/Horde (race helps in that some, class also nice)
[4:42 PM]
Anyway, any other questions?
[4:43 PM]
OK, onward.

Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:44 PM]
Update 37.2 came out this week. ---
    The Lord of the Rings Online
    Update 37.2 Release Notes
    Here are the release notes for Update 37.2, released on Tuesday, October 3rd, 2023.

[4:44 PM]
The next Expansion, Corsairs of Umbar, has been announced with a release date of November 1st. ---
    The Lord of the Rings Online

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:44 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
: )
[4:45 PM]
[4:45 PM]
    The Lord of the Rings Online

The Mariner class may be played before the main part of the update comes out.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:45 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
The intended crafting changes hit a major programming snag and may not be released at the same time as the update.
hehe Eonwe : )
As usual, expect the roll-out to be in sections as usual, such as any raid come later.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
    Memory Alpha
    Natasha Yar
    Lieutenant Natasha Yar, better known as Tasha, was a Human Starfleet officer born on Turkana IV, and former security chief on the USS Enterprise-D.
    Tasha Yar was killed not even a year into the...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
And just to bring this back around:

[4:48 PM]

World of Warcraft:
[4:48 PM]
This week's bonus event: Burning Crusade Timewalking.

The PvP Brawl Cooking Impossible will be available until Tuesday, October 10th.
[4:49 PM]
Since Warcraft Rumble goes live November 3rd, there's a related event going on in WoW.
    Warcraft Rumble Goes Live Globally, November 3!
    Experience the dazzling new sensation that’s been sweeping Azeroth, when Blizzard Entertainment’s mobile action strategy game Warcraft Rumble™ launches worldwide* on Android and iOS devices on     November 3, live at BlizzCon 2023!

    World of Warcraft
    Dive Into Joyful Chaos as Warcraft Rumble Pops Into Azeroth - WoW
    People can't get enough of this mysterious new machine that leaves joyful chaos in its wake.
    Warcraft Rumble machines beckon eager collectors to expand their growing toy collections with splendid Miniatures.

[4:49 PM]
The Eastern Kingdoms Cup Dragonriding race event is going through October 17th. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Prep Your Dragons and Mount Up for the Eastern Kingdoms Cup - WoW
    Rediscover the skies of the Eastern Kingdoms with a new Dragonriding racing event!

[4:50 PM]
Check out This Week in WoW. ---
    World of Warcraft
    This Week in WoW: October 2, 2023 - WoW
    Each week we’ll look ahead to what’s in store for World of Warcraft, share the latest news, and keep you in the know byte by byte. Take to the skies once more during the Eastern Kingdoms Cup!

Check out Blues News. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Blues News: October 6, 2023 - WoW
    Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts and discussions.

Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: October 5, 2023 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

[4:50 PM]

Overwatch 2:
Season 7: Rise of Darkness begins October 10th. ---
    Overwatch 2 – Season 7: Rise of Darkness Begins October 10!
    Our latest season for Overwatch 2 brings a new Blizzard crossover event, a new Ability Kit for Sombra, and new Control Map Samoa!

[4:51 PM]
New Director's Take: A Designer's Journey Into Sombra's Rework. ---
    Director’s Take – A Designer’s Journey into Sombra’s Rework
    Andre Abrahamian from Hero Design breaks down Sombra’s new kit and gameplay in the Latest Director’s Take

Warcraft Rumble:
As already mentioned, Warcraft Rumble goes live November 3rd.
(See above for the link, won't bother putting it here again)
[4:52 PM]

Diablo 4:

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
gets ready to rrrrrumble

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
The next Campfire Chat will be October 10th. ---
    Tune in to Our Next Campfire Chat
    Our next Diablo Campfire Chat is on the horizon! This time, we’ll be providing extra context around updates to Classes, Resistances, damage balance, and more coming with Patch 1.2.0.

[4:52 PM]
Patch 1.2 and Season 2 go live October 17th. ---
Bite Down on Darkness in Season of Blood
    A fanged scourge preys on Sanctuary in Season of Blood. Team up with a skillful vampire hunter and use new Vampiric Powers and Pact Armor to bring about the ruin of these pests on October 17.

Diablo Immortal:
[4:52 PM]
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
    Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All Platforms
    We will continually update this blog with all bug fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all platforms.

[4:53 PM]
That's it for gaming news from me.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
A little more here:

LotRO kin branch active folk this past week:
Landroval branch:

Crickhollow branch:

Treebeard branch:
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
    Romeo Cat 128
    Yar's Revenge Victory Royal

Varda — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
So much Yarrr : )

Any other membership or gaming news? Comments, requests?
[4:55 PM]
Then before it's too late for some:



[4:56 PM]
A question that came up in-game yesterday was
When was perhaps the last chance for Gollum to turn about to be on Frodo's side willingly?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
We see on the way to Mordor the conversation between his two sides
maybe there

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Interesting question, since Gollum would not have led them to Cirith Ungol if he wasn't planning on at least exposing them to Shelob.
So any turnabouts before then might have required an alternate route.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Last chance? Technically any time until he disappeared leaving Frodo and Sam to fend for themselves in Shelob's lair. He'd already committed himself to his scheme by that point, but techinically he could've already repented before it was too late.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
or maybe earlier . after he was captured .. i think at the point of that conversation his own will was not strong enough anymore
[4:59 PM]
after the oath#

Varda — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
I guess he was always allowed a last chance while he lived, but being able to in his own will or desire? Ouch.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
There have been times since the oath that he came close to turning.
[5:01 PM]
But, through external circumstances or not (coughsamcough) he always hardened his mind.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
He wasn't strong enough to manage against a slight, early headwind.
[5:03 PM]
Sounds right.
Going along with Phar's cough there, are you ready for a Tolkien Moment? If you have more comments, now is good!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Frankly, he could've still turned after Shelob. "Silly hobbitses, getting separated from me in spider's lair! Good thing you made it!"

Varda — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Aye, he could have. : )
Pull Frodo back before he bounded into Shelob outside.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Except he would've been lying at that point, not typically a good way to get a fresh start.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
But he had already committed, and aye, the lying can mess it up even for Gollum.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Perhaps, but he could've regretted leaving "master" to the spider after the fact.
Little white lie.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
But he was allowed as long as he lived. No, Master. I will help you stop the Dark Lord. yoinks Ring and jumps

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Share the load.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
He could have "accidentally* pushed Sam away and jumped to pull Froldo back by the feet

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Except that "little white lie" would be something Gollum would hold over Smeagol's head.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
Frodo was never going to be able to destroy the Ring alone. That was why they had a Fellowship. But Sam couldn't handle it by then.
It might have been quite a different story with the rest or part of the Fellowship along.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
eh different timelines then to play through? which one would you then keep upright :)?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Someone along who had never been  a Ringbearer.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Gollum wouldn't have stood a chance stalking them if Aragorn and/or Legolas came along.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
I'm thinking Gimli. Dwarves were the most resistant to Rings of Power.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Just because someone had never been a Ringbearer doesn't mean they would've been any better to throw it into the lava.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Hit at it with a weapon without touching as soon as it was raised up?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Holding Frodo over the edge and waiting until the necklace slipped over his neck?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Boromir never touched it and he wanted it.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
What was Elrond's original intention for them then?
Have to be quick, as soon as they see it. But it would have been very powerful by then.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Elrond's intention was just for them to get it there and estel that Eru would take it from there.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
which he did in a way

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
They had to make the attempt, whether or not the chances were slim. It was the only way to truly end the threat.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Put it where it could be destroyed, then push an event like a rock turning underfoot?
But instead of killing Frodo, they took out Gollum. Nice.
[5:12 PM]
But actually, the Ring did it to itself, believing it was still on Frodo's finger, and punishing Gollum in the way it was told if Gollum injured Frodo.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
The Fellowship was stripped away from Frodo for a reason. Each had their part to play, but not all of them were to go with Frodo. Bilbo's pity was what aided Frodo to get there, to see the Ring destroyed, and to have a chance of coming out of it alive.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
and .. comforting thought somehow .. Gollum knew a last few moments of real luck , joy and triumph .. something he hadn't known for a very long time if ever before

Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Neat thought

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Frodo's pity after understanding what Gollum had been through with the Ring allowed Bilbo's pity to have the effect it needed.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Before falling on top of the lava. Because it's rock, not orange juice /

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
I don't know. If he died from the fall, probably better than the pain of being cooked by the lava.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Though he would've heated up before impact, I think...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
Though might've felt a little cooler while he was breezing through the air.
Might've not realized he was in a convection oven.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:17 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
Either way, it wasn't likely to be a pleasant experience.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
better toa roast taters in it nod

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Or Marshmallows.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Better to roast them above it, mind you

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Hobbits had marshmallows. Seems like something a Hobbit would make, doesn't it?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Hmm, indeed.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:21 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Aye, and they come from plants they could farm.
Ok, before Arien has to leave, giving a Tolkien Moment. This to me appeared to be the last time Smeagol might have made it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
From Wikipedia: " It is not known exactly when marshmallows were invented, but their history goes back as early as 2000 BCE." OK, my headcanon is now officially that Hobbits had Marshmallows :}

Varda — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Most likely! : )
Since they had sausage, they might have had some form of hot dogs too. ; )
[5:23 PM]

The Two Towers, Book 4, Ch VII "The Stairs of Cirith Ungol"

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Now I'm hungry.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
And so Gollum found them hours later, when he returned, crawling and creeping down the path out of the gloom ahead.
Sam sat propped against the stone, his head dropping sideways and his breathing heavy.
In his lap lay Frodo's head, drowned deep in sleep; upon his white forehead lay one of Sam's brown hands, and the other lay softly upon his master's breast. Peace was in both their faces.
Gollum looked at them.
A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face.
The gleam faded from his eyes, and they went dim and grey, old and tired.
A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head as if engaged in some interior debate.
Then he came back, and slowly putting out a trembling hand, very cautiously he touched Frodo's knee--but almost the touch was a caress.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
Hobbits did live on riverbanks in Gollum's day at the least, so it's not too far-fetched.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing.
[5:25 PM]
But at that touch Frodo stirred and cried out softly in his sleep, and immediately Sam was wide awake.
The first thing he saw was Gollum--"pawing at Master", as he thought.
"Hey you," he said roughly. "What are you up to?"
"Nothing, nothing," said Gollum softly. "Nice Master!"
"I daresay," said Sam. "But where have you been to--sneaking off and sneaking back, you old villain?"
Gollum withdrew himself, and a green glint flickered under his heavy lids.
Almost spider-like he looked now, crouched back on his bent limbs, with his protruding eyes.
The fleeting moment had passed, beyond recall.
End quote.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
That is indeed a shame.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:28 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
(I can quote more if you want.   )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
That was the last best moment for Gollum's redemption, spoiled by Sam's good intentions.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Sam tried to pull back but it was too late.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Eh, good intentions... the road to Mordor is paved with em.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
heh, right.
Interesting to note, Gollum did not break on the first harsh comment. It took another to do it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Gollum didn't even balk at first. It wasn't until Gollum [Sam] accused him of sneaking and called him a villain that his heart hardened and the chance was gone.
Er, Varda beat me to it :}

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Time' s up for me I fear  O jave to clear  the way for Bruce as well

Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Hey, good to see agreement!
Namarie Arien!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Sleep well Arien :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:30 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
Happy Anniversary and thank you all for coming and making this  a success. : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
I have .. i mean ... ok and happy anniversary indeed  it was a pleasure

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
All you Full Members don't forget you can still send in gaming info if you want to be able to find people in the games you play :}

Varda — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
The Updates continue....   ; )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
Namarie !

Varda — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
[5:32 PM]
the gavels dance in the last light
tapping the hammerpad in passing
tappity tap tap

[5:32 PM]


Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
we know rthat how it goes eh ? the update of the update that updates the uipdate that updated the previous update

Varda — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
Exactly! updated

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
With an update :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
And each update introducing a small bug that you just can't narrow down.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
bug-squooshing time!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Now I'm remembering the D2ME mod days. V&K called bugs "Gollums", heh.
A particularly bad one they once called a "Shagrat".

Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
o wow
[5:41 PM]
pops popcorn for extra fireworks and snacks simultaneously

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
It's a shame the D2ME mod is virtually unplayable now. That's the only thing I'd go back to D2 for.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Alright, back later for gaming report

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
OK, time for me to be off. Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 6:03 PM
Namarie till later...

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:38 PM
Still here, Ar?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:05 PM
Time for the personal gaming report

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:06 PM
Aiya! Ooops...I was in my German keyboard, writing an E-mail to my host-son in Hamburg. Got to shift back. I am looking forward to your report!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:06 PM
[9:08 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, a couple of new badges this week. I'll give you
    Washed up upon unknown shore, You must push back the wild jungle and claim a space on the island for yourself.
    Eventually the entire island could become part o...

[9:11 PM]
Haven't gotten too far into it, but it's a cutesey RPG/farming game where you're washed up on a group of islands, and you get quests and gain levels to build up your new home.
[9:12 PM]
It does have an energy system, which means you can't spend hours and hours in a row on it, but I suppose you can look at that as an excuse to play in moderation

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:13 PM
Complete all the quests, explore the entire map, and... I'm not sure what other end goals there are, but feel free to find out

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:14 PM
I will try it this week.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:14 PM
[9:15 PM]
But as a special treat... there's a second new game with badge this week, though it's rather more complicated, which might be preferable!
    City Idle
    City building game with fully simulated citizens!
    You start with nothing, you create fire and people start gathering, build huts and a civilization begins! F...

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:16 PM
I always wanted to found a civilization. Imagine....

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:16 PM
A city building game with fully simulated citizens, to use its own description  You get an island which you have to develop, a population to grow, resources to farm, and research to complete! And also a ton of research, a bit more Civilization like
[9:17 PM]
So yes, two kinda similar premises, but at 2 very different levels of complexity and timescale. See what you like best!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:17 PM
Thanks for the tip, as usual.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:18 PM
No problem :)
Blizzard gaming:
Diablo 4:
With season 1 ending in about a week from now, this last week I've been focusing on my seasonal character, to get the questline done, which also required completing seasonal journey chapter 3.
[9:22 PM]
To do so, I've completed Whispers, conquered a number of strongholds, and captured a Wrathful malignant heart (the seasonal theme). I also got Calfluzix to level 34, putting more skill points in making my skeletal minions more powerful, and progressing the battlepass to level 15, unlocking a few free appearances.
And then I completed the quests, locating cages of binding and putting an end to the source of the malignancy plagueing this season. And that's where my seasonal effort will end this time, as planned
[9:24 PM]
Season 2 is coming soon, blood/vampire-themed. I'm still not quite sure whether I'll want to make a vampirehunter-themed ranged rogue, or another necromancer, blood-specced this time. The rogue feels more thematic though, and I just did a necromancer, so probably the rogue.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:26 PM
Hearthstone: Level 87 on the reward track. Should get there in about 2 weeks!
[9:27 PM]
Also completed the quest event around Yogg-Saron's escape. One quest required a card which is part of the mini-set, so I ended up buying the normal version for 2k rather than the golden version. Golden minisets are nice to save for, but they just come out too often to buy them each time, I guess, so normal will do for now

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:28 PM
As long as it works...
Always good to save money where one can.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:29 PM
Well, the currency is gold, which you collect in the game itself. But yeah, the golden version of the set is just cosmetic, with slightly animated card graphics.
[9:30 PM]
The brawl is Send In The Murlocs!
[9:31 PM]
Choose a class, get some random spells and a bunch of random murlocs. I'd advise paladin or shaman, since they can have spells that benefit murlocs in particular!
[9:32 PM]
No raiding yet, still waiting for 10.2.
Nevertheless, they are busy times!
[9:33 PM]
We've got 2 weekly quests. Timewalking, for another Mastery of Time buff (3 to go for mount!) and hopefully some gear upgrade, though in my case it was something I already had.
The other is battlegrounds, which took me quite a few attempts to get all 4 wins, though it's good for trading post currency, and it got me to honor level 116.
[9:34 PM]
Also the Warcraft Rumble promotion came in, with a bunch of minis to collect. But it seems there's no end date for it, so I can postpone that for now, since there's more to do as well!
[9:35 PM]
And finally, the Eastern Kingdoms dragonriding Cup has started! That's what I'm focused on currently.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:36 PM
14 new racing tracks over the eastern continent, with new badges to earn and new dragonriding customizations to buy for them. As with the last Cup, I'm focusing on getting everything to silver. After that we'll see how many badges are left, and if there are a few I can gold, and how much to leave to an alt instead. So far I've got 4 of the tracks complete!
But alas, so busy with things, did not get a chance to alt this week. Maybe next time!
[9:37 PM]
And that's my report for the week

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Any news on the job front?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Nope, no news.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Have a great week!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:37 PM
Thanks, you too

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:38 PM
Two big trips planned for me....I am going to Nebraska on Wed to see my grandkids, and then the following week I am driving to Boise, ID, to see an old friend for a few days. Only 12 hours away. Not so bad
[9:39 PM]
Lincoln is only 6 hours down the road from here.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:39 PM
Ah, have fun  Lots of driving!
You can go across our country in 2-3 hours tops

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:39 PM
Time to reflect, relax and reboot. The three "r's" of driving!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:39 PM
Heh, sounds good.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:40 PM
Boise is still 500 miles east of the west coast....Lincoln is about 1,500 miles from the East coast and 1,500 miles from the west coast.
I haven't see the ocean in a while...I miss it.
[9:41 PM]
I will be in New York in Nov or Dec...I will see the Atlantic then, but the water will be freezing...

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:41 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:41 PM
I am sure your water is freezing also, in Nov or Dec!
MAybe we should take up polar bear swimming?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:42 PM
The sea? Hmm, I think it's just gotten warmer in recent years.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:42 PM
True...but it still gets cold in the winter. Last time I Was in NY in Dec, I saw icebergs floating in the Hudson (North) River.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:43 PM
Yeahh, no chance of that here, though the smaller waterways may see some thin ice.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:43 PM
The Gulf Stream helps keep the U.K. and the Netherlands (as well as Norway, Denmark, and northern Germany) a bit warmer than the corresponding latitudes in North America. Always fascinated me.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:44 PM
Indeed. I once read that New York is more to the south than Madrid. Fascinating is the correct word

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:44 PM
Tnat is correct.
[9:45 PM]
When I was in the Navy, when we steamed out of Newport, R.I., and headed south, we could see an immediate 10 degree rise in sea injection temperatures in the condensers when we entered the Gulf Stream about 200 miles southeast of Rhode Island.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:46 PM
Indeed, Florida's about the same latitude as the Sahara desert. Weird image.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:47 PM
No deserts in Florida!
Just humid and hot!
[9:48 PM]
Namarie, Ar! Sei gesund and take care.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:48 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 10:14 PM