Valar Guild

August 13, 2023 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]

Attending (and typed): (5)

rien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Sandalf, Varda (presiding)
Meeting begins
Membership news:

    New story by Eonwe: "Life's Little Surprises"
    Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Overwatch 2, Diablo 4, Diablo 3, Diablo Immortal, Hearthstone
    Topic: Saruman took over the Shire with the Ruffians. But his idea of power wasn't to show he could give everyone the way to a better life, but that he would wreck all their lives in his petty hatred and revenge. Was this uncommon in those attempting to gain total power? Did it depend on who it was?
    More Tolkien chat.
    (non) Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games afterwards.



Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:40 AM
Happy International Left Hander's Day. Hope you all found presents under you Left Hander's Day tree. Or a basket of left-handed trinkets from the Left Hander's Day Bunny. You must now spend the rest of the day with your right hand tied behind your back.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 12:58 PM
That could cause some raid difficulty.

Varda — Yesterday at 3:57 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 3:59 PM
Meep meep meep!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya right back at you!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
I suspect your clock is about 1 minute faster than mine. It's been consistent. I use the one on the computer.
[4:01 PM]
But it's great to know someone else is here!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
6.5 hours from Lincoln to Thornton this morning. Left Lincoln at 0506 CST and arrived home 6.5 hours later, with time for a pit stop in Big Springs, on the CO=-NE border. IT was a nice visit.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
@Bounder @Guild-friend Yay! Valar Guild meeting time! Come say hi!
[4:02 PM]
Wow! Welcome back! Hope you've rested a bit.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Had to help with bedding

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Yup. I am game to go for the Guild.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
But here now!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:02 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM


Varda — Yesterday at 4:02 PM

Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!


Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Eonwe!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Aiya to Sandalf, Phar, and Eonwe!
Feel free to give membership news. : )
We have the Return of the Sandalf
Think it's also one for Phar?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
I returned 8 days ago  But my parents came back today! So a bit of chore-ing going on

Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
ah, ok. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Extra! Extra! Read all about it!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:05 PM
[4:06 PM]
Any other membership news, so I don't step on a toe somewhere? : )
as in

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Oy Weh!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Irmo told a funny story there. ; )

On to


Web News:

[4:08 PM]
Thank you to Eonwe for a new story!
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
I still say Oy Weh. Sounds like a story that Rodney Dangerfield would write.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
"Life's Little Surprises"
[4:09 PM]
    "Dinmir and Aldawë return from Lindon to Rivendell after several years." The tale comes after "Loa" and before "It Takes Two...".
[4:13 PM]
Feel free to make comments here to let Eonwe know how it hit you. : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Aiya all from my cosy sunbarge

Varda — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Aiya Arien! heheh

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Aiya Arien!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Over here you're already below the earth.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Heya Arien.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
She's flying high here!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
I am on my mobile si excuse my typing

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
gasp but how can that be? Unless... the earth is not flat??

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
[4:20 PM]
Hmm - kind of ball-shaped.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Sorry to disappoint

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Either the world isn't flat, or you're actually talking to me from about 7 hours in the past or so. Which option is more interesting?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Oh no, much prettier, great lighting effects.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Smoke and mirrors?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
It's still Sunday Aug 13 here, 4:20 PM locally, 5:20 PM Valar Time. Reason we need a group time or we'd be so lost!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
    "Welcome to the world of tomorrow!" (Futurama)

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
22.21 here

Varda — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Time, all inside a ball to look into, thus no problem poking into it from outside. Oops,seem to be inside. Valarite problem.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
Today is the tomorrow of all our yesterdays

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
It is Tango time here....I think I will go dancing on that note.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
Only the most recent one, Arien. It's the day after tomorrow for the yesterday before that.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death...

Varda — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Dance in joy!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:24 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
All we are is dust in the wind ♪

Varda — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Dust to dust, fea to Fea

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
All your money won't another minute buy... unless it's for health insurance... and hygienic living...

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
The answer my friend is blowing in the wind

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
Or just, food...

Varda — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
Ok, we don't need to go to commercials
The wind? Manwe, dearest...?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
If you're gonna blow, do it against the wind instead. You'll absorb more of it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
Every rose has it's thorn. Just like every day has its dawn. Just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
Just don't spit in the wind. Or tug on Superman's cape
[4:27 PM]
Ok, let's move on to



Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
    1 name left (you took the rest)
    Bill and Ted - Poison Every Rose has a thorn

Varda — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
Eonwe, would you like this shiny, cheerful gavel for a bit?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
[4:28 PM]

Lord of the Rings Online:
A warning to anyone with sturdy steel keys or with Steel-bound lootboxes: They're no longer going to be available when Update 37 goes live. The Lotro Team is advising to use them up before then. You can read the Announcement on the LotRO Forums, but there's not much more info to be had than that. ---

World of Warcraft:
This week's bonus events: World Quests.

The PvP Brawl: Packed House is going through Tuesday, August 15th.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:28 PM,vid:jkVkH-F6fV8
🔎 i ride an old paint lyrics - Google Search
Woody Guthrie sings "I Ride an Old Paint".

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
With Classic Hardcore realms going live August 24th, check out these blogs: ---
    World of Warcraft
    Classic Hardcore Realms Go Live August 24 - WoW
    Face Azeroth’s dangers in WoW Classic’s Hardcore realms and see just how far you can go.
    You only have one life to live, and the Spirit Healers won’t be there to send you back out into the world of the living when you die.
    Death is permanent, and once you’ve been bested by the environment (or even other players), you’ll need to dust yourself off...

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
that one is for Eonwe...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Facing Mortality – What Lies Beyond Death in Classic Hardcore ---
    World of Warcraft
    Facing Mortality – What Lies Beyond Death in Classic Hardcore - WoW
    Death isn't necessarily the end for Classic Hardcore characters. Learn about your choices and how to make the most of your Hardcore experience.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
: )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Adventures in Classic Hardcore: What’s Playing ---
    World of Warcraft
    Adventures in Classic Hardcore: What’s Playing - WoW
    Classic Hardcore is upon us August 24. Get a quick refresher on the content available, the special considerations for Hardcore and be ready for your ticket into a new adventure!

[4:29 PM]
Get In and Get Going: Classic Hardcore ---
    World of Warcraft
    Get In and Get Going: Classic Hardcore - WoW
    Whether new to World of Warcraft or returning, we'll help you prepare to take on the challenges ahead, but surviving them all depends on you.

Check out This Week in WoW. ---
    World of Warcraft
    This Week in WoW: August 7, 2023 - WoW
    Each week we’ll look ahead to what’s in store for World of Warcraft, share the latest news, and keep you in the know byte by byte.
    Get ready for the next Dragonflight content update, Fury Incarnate, when it goes live the week of September 5.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
(Hardcore when we played it meant we deleted the character after it died.)

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
(Now it'll stay dead for you.)
[4:30 PM]
Check out Blues News. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Blues News: August 11, 2023 - WoW
    Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts and discussions.

[4:30 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: August 10, 2023 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
You can still delete it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
Or you can sit there like one of the Houseless: wish you could do something in the world and never be able to.

Overwatch 2:
Overwatch 2: Invasion is going, and there's a new support hero named Illari. ---
    Overwatch 2: Invasion is here with new adventures, a new hero, and ...
    It’s Overwatch 2’s biggest update yet, introducing new hero Illari, the Flashpoint PvP game mode, and the start of our all-new Invasion Story Missions!

[4:31 PM]

Diablo 4:
Patch 1.1.2 will be out August 15th. ---
    Diablo IV Patch Notes
    We will continually update this article with all patches the development team implements for Diablo IV.

A new short story is out: "Teeth of the Plague". ---
    Diablo IV Short Story: “Teeth of the Plague” by Z Brewer
    Join Tejal, a scribe of the sacred Hedaji, as she recounts a tale from Sanctuary in a new short story set during the events of Diablo IV.

Diablo 3:
The PTR for patch 2.7.6 is coming August 15th, but currently the link to the announcement doesn't work. When it does, I'll put one up.

Diablo Immortal:
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
    Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All Platforms
    We will continually update this blog with all bug fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all platforms.

[4:32 PM]

Patch 27.0.3 is out. ---
    27.0.3 Patch Notes
    Patch 27.0.3 includes balance changes to Standard.

[4:33 PM]
    The Song that Never Ends

Except my Gaming News does in fact end, and it has right now, until next week.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:33 PM
: )
[4:34 PM]
Addendum to

Landroval kin branch, RP-encouraged regular server:

Crickhollow kin branch, regular server:

Treebeard kin branch, legacy VIP-only slow-leveling with slider difficulty server:

Starcraft 2 players still actively bashing things and running out of minerals. : )
[4:36 PM]
Any other gaming news? Requests? Suggestions?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
One of those puppets looked so familiar.. and then I remembered the The Nanny episode with Lambchop.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Lambchop, familiar. : ) One of the cuter muppet looks. [Note: not a muppet but a hand puppet.]
[4:38 PM]
Elvish music with no ending!
Any need of stuff in the kin chest (which server) or invites (available now)?
Don't forget to use up your old sturdy steel keys. : )  Maybe get something nice.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
I thought there was but I can't remember it now, so I guess it must not have been that important.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
The REAL Lampschop!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Or it was extremely important and you'll go oops! later.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Like trying to remember the Tolkien topic we may think of earlier in the week.
[4:40 PM]
Speaking of...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Aye, who hasn't forgotten half a dozen of those, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
At least, hehe
[4:41 PM]
On to



[4:41 PM]
For no good reason, earlier thought of this one:
Saruman took over the Shire with the Ruffians. But his idea of power wasn't to show he could give everyone the way to a better life, but that he would wreck all their lives in his petty hatred and revenge. Was this uncommon in those attempting to gain total power? Did it depend on who it was?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:41 PM
Before have to set finally

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:41 PM
I'll give then for Lambchop
    The Nanny
    Fran Meets Lamb Chop | The Nanny

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:43 PM
Not that I've watched much of that, but my favorite scene of what I have seen is when she eats wasabi.
On topic: Yes and no?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Wasabi - grabs a glass of milk just in remembrance
Made the mistake of trying a wee dab to find out the taste.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Taking power only to destroy what you have is... well, usually not the starting ambition, since it also means destroying your own power.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
I've been developing a taste/tolerance for it myself.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
It would have been the inevitable result if Morgoth had won, though, since he would never have been satisfied.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Morgoth, the Nihilist. His influence ran through the whole planet.
[4:45 PM]
Just don't wasabi by itself. ; )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
Morgoth was already all about destroying anything that wasn't completely his.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
And nothing could be.
Not even himself.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Wasabi and pickled ginger...the best part of sushi.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Not really Varda wreckage for wreckage sake with a bit of extra profit and a pointing out "you are only rubbish slaves and I am in command" not to mention a bit of extra gold

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
Saruman by then had long lost the trappings of anything resembling a desire to order things "for the betterment of Man". When his plans were foiled, rather than the wisdom of repentance he fell further to pettiness. "If I can't have what I want neither can you." Which, again, ultimately would be where Morgoth would fall if he did have control over everything, finding that since everything came from Eru he ultimately couldn't win so he'd be all about doing the most damage he could.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
Arien, aye, that is more common.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
What was Sauron's intent? He was in control of much of Middle-Earth for millennia, but didn't seem to be actively destroying what he had.
Perhaps it just hadn't served his goals yet.
[4:54 PM]
And Smaug was more about ownership and collection of treasure than destruction, as well, until they made him angry.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
It started with turning out gaffer Gamgee and then tearing down the old windmill

Varda — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Sauron wanted control. What would the world be like if he had his wish? We were told.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
I think that the clue is in what Gandalf said when Frodo freely offered him the Ring.  "Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pithy for weakness and the desire of strength to do good." I think that Saruman, a Maia, originally had only the best intentions regarding his role in Middle-earth, but he fell, like Denethor, into the quagmire of hubris.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Sauron, at least at the beginning, convinced himself he was the best person to be running things for everyone's betterment. That was nominally his goal at his start. If you think you're the smartest person in the room, and that no one could possibly be as smart as you, the only people on your level abandoned everyone long ago, and that because you were superior it was your duty to tell everyone else how to live their lives, it's easy to see how that devolves into "end justifies the means" and "you people just don't get it so you must be dispatched" and finally "I deserve to rule and you people are impeding what is mine by right." (edited)

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Perhaps there's another angle to what Saruman did... with Sauron dispatched, Aragorn crowned, and the free peoples united, he knew his dominion of the Shire would never be able to last very long.
[5:00 PM]
So he only had the short term in mind.
Do as much damage as you can on the way out.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
He was pretty corrupted by then....unable to accept Gandalf's last offer of redemption.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Aye, he just wanted to destroy the idyllic life of those who destroyed his plans, then he would be on his way to try and stir something up elsewhere.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Indeed. He never planned to be the "boss" for very long.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Where would he have gone next I wonder?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
I'm not sure even he had planned that far ahead

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
His two mistakes: 1.) mistreating Wormtongue so bad then keeping him around; 2.) Sticking around long enough to gloat in the Hobbits' faces. (edited)

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
I for one know where I am going right now .

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
And yet if it wasn't for point 1, Frodo would have let him go anyway.
Not that he expected that.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Namarie from me

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Sleep well Arien.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Namarie Arien! Sei gesund!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:05 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
For the record: I haven't just been writing Auros stories, I have also been considering the RP, so don't think I've left off one for the other.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Your writing is outstanding. An inspiration for those of us with lesser ability.
While you are here, wrote this much earlier in our conversation today: Every rose has it's thorn. Just like every day has its dawn. Just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
It's a quote from a song by Poison, and also quoted by Bill, Ted, and Death in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey. Although I think I made a slight error in the quote.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Made me think of the beautiful old American cowboy song, " I Ride an Old Paint," so I gave the link to a good version of the original sad song. Here is another one that I guarantee you is well worth listening to....What Aaron Copland did with "I Ride an Old Paint." HE called it "saturday Night Waltz," from "Rodeo." The trouble is, a waltz is in 3/4 time. It sort of is a waltz, but Copland turned it inside out and upside down. Just try beating out 1-2-3 to Copland's "waltz." Can't do it. He syncopated the timing, so the effect is utterly ethereal.
    Aaron Copland: 4 Dance Episodes from "Rodeo" - III. Saturday Night ...

[5:11 PM]
This is the New York Philharmonic, Leondard Bernstein, conductor.
[5:12 PM]
Looks like a scene from anywhere on the Great Plains.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
The despotic ruler types have to remove the free will of others to make only the despot's will happen. Watching them all, keeping them afraid so they obey.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Even the orcs want to leave and make their own bands of bandits, but fear to do so.
To fear to choose.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Too afraid to make others afraid.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Prevention of choice.
Let's not make a dark queen, warns Galadriel.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
But what if someone wants that? How dare Galadriel refuse!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Heh, you're taking away the freedom of will of those who want a dark queen?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
No need to choose, to think. Yep, the "easy" way til they learn the result.
Well, let's see, who wanted a despot? It did happen.
[5:18 PM]
Monarchy was the normal structure, and evil folk could twist it to go from aiding their people to forcing the people to give them everything.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
I don't want control, I want to let go ♪

Varda — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
How about that one? Who wanted total anarchy? Help me out here.
Orcs even talked about being in bands, not alone. Any others you can think of?
The Nine had a group, even.
[5:22 PM]
I think Tolkien was working more with the group/ fellowship theme.
The Fellowship had an amazing amount of choice given to them.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Even when the fellowship split up, they still stayed in groups.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Even in the Shire there was some basic governmental structure, though most day-to-day affairs were handled by the people themselves.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
You don't have to go all the way with Frodo, you can stop at the mountains, go to Minas Tirith.
[5:23 PM]
Aye, they worked together as a farming community with minimal and mostly ceremonial government, that even helped more as symbols of their unity in their way of life.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
They still had a police force, though didn't seem to need it much.
Must be nice.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
They were all holders of cards from The International Order of Bounders and Gatekeepers.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
: )
[5:25 PM]
They cared about the good opinion of their neighbors.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:26 PM
Of course, otherwise they wouldn't be able to go to so many parties

Varda — Yesterday at 5:26 PM
They needed each other to make their crops, to mill them, to trade them.

And the gavels are muttering on the shelf that they want to come on out.
[5:27 PM]
the hammerpad spins impatiently
the gavels head out of the shelf in a Conga dance
Wait. Is the hammerpad joining the Conga dance?
Hey! come back here!
Um, well, there they went, dancing off with the sunset.



[5:28 PM]
Free chat. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Arien's got followers?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Apparently. : )
[5:30 PM]
Sauron was not just into overt control, but into subtle, to bring new folk in.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
"We've got dental insurance..."

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
It starts subtle, until subtle no longer works.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:34 PM
Beware of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:34 PM
And before you know it, it's all "See that land you're not supposed to go? Why don't you go there?"

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Like Eve taking a bite out of the forbidden fruit.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
But when they have something they look forward to that includes Fellowship, they are happier beings.
Able to trust their fellows.
Able to go forward.
Able to be worthy of Eru outside the circle of the world.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
I was actually thinking about Adam and Eve today, and how that would've been a problem with genetic diversity, and how actual Adam/Eve pairs for animal species must have been really rare, because evolution and speciation revolves around communities more than single pairs... and yet there was mitochondrial Eve, who I suppose must've had a lot of lovers.
...But ignore that tangent

Varda — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Start with perfect genetics. Takes time to mutate.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
But going off an a tangent is the surest way to wisdom, so said a wise man.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
Probably agouti types with multiple possibilities.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
He also said "It is smarter to be lucky, and it's lucky to be smart."

Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
[5:41 PM]
We are in After-meeting, so we don't have to stick to any particular subject. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
But without mutation, all descendants of Adam and Eve for the first few generations must have shared the same genes.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
Don't make me get out one of the X-men movie intro/exit speeches, heh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
But we basically still do, do we not? Even further back, a human's DNA is close to about 98% shared DNA with a Bonobo Chimp,,,who, by the way, are also guilty of neoteny...

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
I suppose so. And yet if you look at all our different skin, hair, eye colors, facial features, genetic defects...
[5:47 PM]
Those could not have all originated in 2 people
...actually, wasn't Eve basically a female clone of Adam anyway?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
Other than genetic defects, the differences are only skin deep.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
1 person
Yes, but still based in genetics.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you in Broeklyn...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
We're all just part of one big MMO.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
That skin, hair, eye etc are genetic?
[5:51 PM]
All I'm saying, the first few generations after A/E, biblically, must've looked quite similar

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
Well, brothers today can look similar without being identical.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
Yes, but they can carry genes from multiple generations back.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
As can sisters, as well...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:53 PM
For some reason my brother and I when we were younger were asked if we were twins alot, and we were nowhere near identical.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:53 PM
Agouti types carry a ton of potential different appearances within. Mutations may allow these by stopping or pushing a hidden trait.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:54 PM
Anyway, I must be off real soon, but I want to leave you all with the best proverb I've heard this week.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:54 PM
Please do!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:54 PM
"A closed mouth gathers no feet."

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:54 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:55 PM
I would say how true, but I don't want to say too much...better to keep my mouth closed! he he

Varda — Yesterday at 5:55 PM
Good quote, Eonwe. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:56 PM
Take care all, good night, sleep well, enjoy the story, and enjoy the wisdom.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:56 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:57 PM
[5:59 PM]
I too shall bid a fond (temporary) adieu, as I am tired....gained an hour coming back from Lincoln. I am tired, and need to get a few food items for the wek back later. Bis später! Namarie!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:59 PM
Namarie! Will give report  later.

Varda — Yesterday at 6:03 PM
Namarie : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:42 PM


Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:34 PM
[8:34 PM]
Personal gaming report!
[8:37 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, is a puzzle platformer, part of a series. In this installment, your character is a shaman, with the ability to phase through the ground, in order to collect all the chests in each level. But watch out for fire and spikes, and a few new mechanics as you go through the 15 levels
    Hasty Shaman
    You asked for it so here it is, another game in the series. Hope you#39ll enjoy it.
    Simple platformer about a Shaman that hastes his way through the ground.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:48 PM
Blizzard gaming:
[8:50 PM]
Gotten into the new reward track for the Titans expansion, up to level 30 so far. Bunch of gold, new cards, and the Sargeras Card Back as rewards.
[8:51 PM]
There's a quest event going with the launch of the expansion, going up to 4000 xp, which is quite a lot. And since I already missed the first few days, I've had to quest quite a bit every day, completing the questline and a daily quest each day.
[8:52 PM]
Currently I'm about 500 xp short, but should get there since I now get 2 daily quests after completing the main quest series, and there's still 8 days left.
Noticed a new class skin up for 1000 gold in the shop, so I got that  Righteous Inferno Uther, sort of a hellish paladin skin.
[8:54 PM]
Brawl at the start of the week was Titan recipes, with class decks based on Titan cards and combos. Some classes are better than others, but I didn't try all of them. I will say that for playing Forged cards for daily quests, warrior was pretty useful, since it had several in the deck.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
Current brawl is Blessing of the Raven. Choose class, get random deck, every minion gets one of 5 random abilities, such as poison or charge. Much randomness!
[8:56 PM]
And I finally started opening packs! I had over 300, and figured now was about time, since it gets annoying to craft stuff for certain quests if I might get them from packs that are already waiting to be opened.
[8:57 PM]
I'm opening at least 10 packs a day, so that should help with new cards and dust.
So at this rate it'll be about a month
[8:58 PM]
And I've gotten a bunch of legendaries from them as well, including 2 of the actual Titans from the new expansion! Though for a Titan playing quests, I found out that the rogue one doesn't count, probably because of a wording thing.
[8:59 PM]
Raiding continues, and we finally brought down heroic Sarkareth tonight!
[9:00 PM]
That made us quite happy, and gave a mark of mastery for the achievement, which can be used to buy a heroic tier piece of your choice. Since the shoulders were the only piece I didn't have at heroic yet, it was an easy choice.
[9:01 PM]
Also did the megadungeon again, getting the infinite scales for the highland drake, which I think is my last of the dragonriding mounts that was missing the scales. And I got enough crests to have a crafted ring made, at the highest possible ilevel! As the main weak point in my gear, very nice

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:03 PM
In our old-school Siege of Orgrimmar raids, my mage finally got the last missing cloth appearance, which means I'm almost completely done with SoO normal/heroic appearances. Next week I'll come back with the paladin instead, as I'll go for the really rare shoulders from the final boss, the Tusks.
[9:04 PM]
Weekly quest is world quests, but haven't really made time to unlock those yet.
[9:05 PM]
And finally, spent the rest of the WoW time hunting dragon glyphs to upgrade my dragonriding!
[9:06 PM]
Got all the glyphs in the main 4 zones, unlocking the entire main line of talents, including increasing maximum vigor to 6, and getting a lot faster generation of vigor, especially at high flying speed. It really makes a lot of difference when traversing the Dragon Isles, and should be very useful in the Kalimdor Cup too, which starts in a few days
So that'll be my main project for the next week, I'm thinking!
And that's my report for the week!
[9:07 PM]
Namarie :)

Varda — Yesterday at 10:30 PM