Valar Guild

May 17, 2020 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by
Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern.]
["slight smile" is the same as we are used to using as a regular smiley]

Attending (and spoke): (7)
    Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Elrond, Eonwe, Ioreth, Irmo/Irm, Varda (presiding)

Before-meeting
    RP group story discussion. Link to a map of Middle-earth (also for sale).
Meeting begins
Membership news
Web:
    Two stories by Eonwe-(Valar)
Gaming:
    General reports: Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Diablo III, Hearthstone.
Tolkien:
    Link for comparative sizes of cities in Middle-earth.
    Tolkien Moment: comparison/contrast of Aule and Melkor. Plus discussion
    RP group story on the forum discussion.
After-meeting:
    More group story discussion (hardly noticing that we shifted to After-meeting).
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon.
    Blizzard games; Total Annihilation by Ar-Pharazon.
    On writing stories.
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Before-meeting

ArienValar05/15/2020
post ~
May 17, 2020

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Aiya, post made last night

Varda05/17/2020
Aiya!
[4:00 PM]
Thanks! Good to hear.
[4:01 PM]
The posts being mentioned are to the Forum story, often called the rp.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Quite an exercise in how I can turn "I found nothing" into a good post, until I realized something useful could come out of it

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Heya all.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Aiya!

Varda05/17/2020
Aiya Eonwe : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Aye, good post Phar. If you hadn't had a "here's a place to stash the horses" I was going to come up with something. Perfectly happy to let someone else do it, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
hehe

Elrond05/17/2020
Aiya

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Although I now want to discuss where exactly we all think we are, because I envisioned us apparently further west, near the gap in the mountains of Angmar. But that can wait.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I found myself staring at the map, not sure how big the realm of Angmar really is at this time or whether there's still Ettenmoors to our west.
[4:05 PM]
I figured we either approached Angmar on a more western front, or were already past them.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Ettenmoors would very roughly be at the southern end of Angmar.
[4:06 PM]
Angmar runs in a gap between the Mountains of Angmar and the area including the Etenmoors, roughly, and then some north of the Mountains of Angmar as well.

Varda05/17/2020
(Having some odd connection problems.)

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Myes. I figured we'd either have the Ettenmoors in front of us or behind us. If they're directly to our west right now I can make some alterations.
[4:07 PM]
In front of us seems to fit the best with what you are thinking.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If we're where I was thinking, they're sort of southeast of us. I can't pull out my map right now so going by memory.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Southeast? That works for me.
[4:08 PM]
Means there should be no elevation to our west, meaning my post can still work

Varda05/17/2020
Aiya Elrond : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I even opened up the Atlas, but couldn't find anything specific to this region other than perhaps vegetation.
[4:09 PM]
Aiya Elrond!

Varda05/17/2020
Hi to Irmo, whose typing seems to have happened. : ) I know it's his bedtime.

Irm05/17/2020
Aiya mellindė, I can't stay for the meeting - early work tomorrow - but I wish you all a nice discussion and fun !

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Between looking up our location and figuring out the name of my horse and if I still had the same one, I think preparing for the post took more time than the post itself.

Varda05/17/2020
Angmar being in the mountains and us going into the pass is what I figured.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Aiya Irmo!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Take care mellon.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And namarie

Varda05/17/2020
Thanks for dropping by, Irmo! Sleep well!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Sounds about right Phar, lol.

Varda05/17/2020
Sounds like cooking up anything! Prep time may be the longest part.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And a few seconds of "Why did I have to put so many accents on my horse?"

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Fancy Mirkwood Elves, heh.

Varda05/17/2020
heh
[4:14 PM]
Good posting all around. Thanks! Was just now reading them.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
At least my geology studies still come in handy sometimes...

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
When I can, I'll pull out my map of Eriador found in the back of my lovely -couple-months-old hardback of Fellowship.

Varda05/17/2020
No study is wasted, it seems like. : )
[4:15 PM]
Would you like to make a run to get it? We're not forcing you to stay in the chair. : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I have it nearby, just can't open it right now, and I didn't want to take up the opening minutes of the meeting with it.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Nah, got a map up in the browser. Amazon has one that can be zoomed in a bit

Varda05/17/2020
Can it be linked?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
https://www.amazon.com/Middle-Earth-Hobbit-Poster-inches/dp/B07451HJB3

Varda05/17/2020
Nice!
[4:16 PM]
Are we near the m in Carn Dum?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Slightly more north than I was expecting, but if you're talking about the pass, sure.
[4:17 PM]
Maybe my western view is more southwestern.

Varda05/17/2020
Aye. Figured that was where we were about to enter.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If we took the pass, we shouldn't need to abandon our horses. The Witch-King took an army through there, including himself on a horse, so he was bound to have cavalry.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Good point. So we're not going to the pass, but trying to sneak over on one of the sides.

Varda05/17/2020
So we are avoiding the eyes of the pass. Left or right of it? I'm guessing right, but would like to be on the same page as everyone else.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Considering the hostile activity is to our west, I'm thinking left.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I was going to have evidence of Telperos that way, but I'll adapt. Just might take me some time.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
*to our east

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I've got other ideas.

Varda05/17/2020
urge to buy that map

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
If we went to the right, I'd expect more heavy enemy activity on our west.
[4:21 PM]
I've got a similar one on my bedroom wall
[4:21 PM]
But sure, I'll wait for Eonwe's ideas.

Varda05/17/2020
Aiming to go closer to where it says "Angmar" or even to the right towards the north of Gundabad. It might even be south of it, depending on our intel.
[4:22 PM]
Eonwe has some great idea. Fire away!
[4:23 PM]
*ideas

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
When we get to Tolkien, if we're going to discuss the RP in that space, I'll bring some stuff up at that time.

Varda05/17/2020
Will you be able to stay?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I'll have some time.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Oh, I should poke Arien

Varda05/17/2020
I should have opened the meeting. Now making it official:
[4:23 PM]

Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:23 PM]
Membership:

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
(poked)

ArienValar05/17/2020
poked

Varda05/17/2020
Lots of folks have been online, the one good thing we've seen about the lockdown. Hoping they had fun and will be back around some in off-time, such as when TV has nothing as is so often the case.
[4:24 PM]
Aiya Arien. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Aiya Arien

Varda05/17/2020
Any other membership news?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Fladrif spotted, watched him do a few battlegrounds in Hearthstone. He didn't have much luck though.

Varda05/17/2020
Glad he's gaming! Go go Fladrif!
[4:25 PM]
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Web News:
[4:25 PM]
Two stories up, from Eonwe.
[4:25 PM]
He also came up with interesting ideas for coding. Feedback from readers welcome.
[4:26 PM]
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Eonwe/stories/AurosCircaTA800.htm
[4:26 PM]
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Eonwe/stories/AurosCircaTA1200.htm
[4:26 PM]
The stories are about Auros. : )
[4:27 PM]
So our fellow rp folks may take quite an interest! Including readers.
[4:27 PM]
Eonwe, go ahead.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That link is to the second story. You can get to the first story from a link at the bottom.
[4:28 PM]
It's 2 stories in a series, as Varda said, about Auros. More are likely to come as I am inspired to write or complete the ones already dancing in my head, and hopefully where spoilers for the RP won't happen.

Varda05/17/2020
Isn't 800 the one that comes first?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
800 comes first. You linked 1200.

Varda05/17/2020
Where? The News and here had 800. I'd like to make the correction.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
The link says 1200.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Right here in the chat.

Varda05/17/2020
Two links

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I only see one link.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I only see one link.

Varda05/17/2020
On mine, it shows 800 first. Interesting.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
What Phar said, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Jinx.

Varda05/17/2020
Weird.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Passes Phar a soda of his choice

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Thanks

Varda05/17/2020
Here is 800:
[4:30 PM]
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Eonwe/stories/AurosCircaTA800.htm
[4:31 PM]
Here is 1200:

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
:}

Varda05/17/2020
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Eonwe/stories/AurosCircaTA1200.htm
[4:31 PM]
Did that show correctly?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I see both of those.

Varda05/17/2020
Mine showed fine above. Strange.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
It did.

Varda05/17/2020
Ok, all good now. : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Btw, the name of the series, is, apty, Narn i Auros. Hope you all enjoy reading the stories as much as I enjoyed writing them.

Varda05/17/2020
Been having some connection weirdness. May be affecting things.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Considering you use your own transcript now, at least we know what'll go online

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Aye having some connection issues here too.

Varda05/17/2020
And it's linked all over the place.
[4:33 PM]
We're both in Texas, same side near the coast. I heard this weekend may have some interesting storms. We had some already. Could be affecting us.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
My internet has warranted a swift boot to my internet provider for a couple of weeks now, really.

Varda05/17/2020
hehe
[4:34 PM]
On to
[4:34 PM]
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Gaming!
[4:34 PM]
Eonwe, would you like to take this section, with us adding in our two cents along the way? : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Sure.

Varda05/17/2020
Fire when ready.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Internet giving me trouble loading the Games Site. Time for plan B.

Varda05/17/2020
Would that be me taking it?  : )  I have it up.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I was just going to open my files, but it'd be much faster and cleaner if you'd prefer to copy/paste from the Games Site.

Varda05/17/2020
Either way is good. I'd be happy to.
[4:37 PM]

Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:38 PM]
Out this week: Update 26.1.
[4:38 PM]
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?680141-Update-26-1-Release-Notes
[4:38 PM]
This includes major buffs to all hunters' dps. Thank you!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Otherwise I'd have to take it out of HTML format.

Varda05/17/2020
yay for the many ways of work-around!
[4:39 PM]
LotRO Anniversary event runs through May 20th.
[4:39 PM]
LotRO gamers seen in kin this past week:

Landroval server:
Bregalad
Ecthelion
Eonwe
Fangorn
Hurin
Irmo
Miriel
Nar
Varda

Ithil server:
Dis
Falco
Fangorn
Varda

Anor server:
Fangorn
Varda
[4:39 PM]
.
[4:39 PM]
I don't know why the letters are red, but it's interesting

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
They're... not for me.
[4:40 PM]
Red letters usually means the message didn't make it through.

Varda05/17/2020
Did you see a list?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
No.
[4:41 PM]
Varda: LotRO Anniversary event runs through May 20th.
[11:39 PM] Varda: .
[11:39 PM] Varda: I don't know why the letters are red, but it's interesting

Varda05/17/2020
ahh, so it didn't go.
[4:41 PM]
LotRO gamers seen in kin this past week:

Landroval server:
Bregalad
Ecthelion
Eonwe
Fangorn
Hurin
Irmo
Miriel
Nar
Varda

Ithil server:
Dis
Falco
Fangorn
Varda

Anor server:
Fangorn
Varda
[4:41 PM]
.
[4:41 PM]
Not red that time. Did you see a list?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yep!

Varda05/17/2020
Yay!
[4:41 PM]

World of Warcraft:
[4:42 PM]
This week's Bonus Event: Arena Skirmishes.
[4:42 PM]
The PvP Brawl: Gravity Lapse began May 12 and runs through Tuesday, May 19th.
[4:42 PM]
Updated info on Shadowlands Covenant Class and Signature Abilities is available.
[4:42 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23374470/shadowlands-a-look-at-covenant-class-and-signature-abilities-updated-5-13
    World of Warcraft
    Shadowlands: A Look at Covenant Class and Signature Abilities *UPDA...
    In Shadowlands, players will ally with one of four Covenants, each granting unique powers, abilities, and other benefits to aid them on their dangerous journey through the realms of death.


Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Basically, the abilities that were previously missing.
[4:43 PM]
As far as I can tell.

Varda05/17/2020
Good to hear.
[4:43 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes:
[4:44 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23277654/hotfixes-may-14-2020
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: May 14, 2020 - WoW
    Here you'll find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Battle For Azeroth and WoW Classic.
[4:44 PM]

Diablo III:
[4:44 PM]
Patch 2.6.9 will be on the PTR May 21st.
[4:44 PM]
https://us.diablo3.com/en/blog/23420227/patch-269-ptr-begins-521-5-15-2020
    Diablo III
    Patch 2.6.9 PTR Begins 5/21
    Our two-week PTR testing period for the 2.6.9 update begins May 21 and we're asking for your help to quell the tides of surging demons in Patch 2.6.9.
[4:45 PM]
Patch 17.2.1 is out.
[4:45 PM]
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23426180/17-2-1-patch-notes
    17.2.1 Patch Notes
    The 17.2.1 patch contains balance updates for 12 cards in Standard and bug fix for Ethereal Conjurer.

Hearthstone:
[4:45 PM]
And a news report we have on the general News from Phar!:

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Nemsy!

Varda05/17/2020
Quick note for Hearthstone players: Nemsy Necrofizzle, the warlock hero who is generally only available through fireside gatherings only, is now available for free in a time when the gatherings are unadvised because of corona.
But only from may 12 to 19, so if you want the hero, get to the ingame shop right away!
Feel free to drop it on the news as well.
(cute gnomess!)
[4:46 PM]
Aye : )
[4:47 PM]
Any other gaming news?
[4:48 PM]
I know the gang is playing all kinds of fun games. Enjoy!

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Currently in 2 or 3 different ones
[4:49 PM]
Though I'm idling in WoW until I've got enough time to hit an arena.

Varda05/17/2020
LotRO is the only group game I'm in, but with 3 servers.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Oh, I meant at the same time

Varda05/17/2020
ok : )
[4:50 PM]
Do a zillion tabs being open in the browser count? No? ok. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
If they do, I've got that too!

Varda05/17/2020
Any other items to bring up before we switch to the next part?
[4:50 PM]
computers melt down..........

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I've only got one browser open and no bittorrent. I've had worse.

ArienValar05/17/2020
(we always have at least one sacrificial gnome in raids or dungeons  nod )

Varda05/17/2020
hehe
[4:52 PM]
On to...
[4:52 PM]
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Tolkien!
[4:53 PM]

First up is a link from Ioreth.
[4:53 PM]
It has comparative sizes of models of cities in LotRO, and is worth taking some time to watch. It's also under lotro-links to your left.
[4:54 PM]
This has some cool images of the cities.
[4:54 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrns-6pIcXE&feature=youtu.be
    YouTube
    MiniExpBounder
    The Lord of the Rings Height Comparison - LotRO Concepts

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
LotRO uses meters?

Varda05/17/2020
Yes
[4:55 PM]
English in honour of J.R.R. Tolkien

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I had to look up the units in the books yesterday to make sure I could make use of yards.

Varda05/17/2020
They even use English spellings in his honour.
[4:56 PM]
All us users of feet and miles try to adjust. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So what do we want to use in the RP?
[4:56 PM]
That ridge could be 5 yards or 5 meters!

Varda05/17/2020
It's about 5 Auros-lengths?
[4:57 PM]
j/k

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Auros is only a meter tall?
[4:57 PM]
All this time and I never  knew he was a hobbit in disguise.

Varda05/17/2020
Meters, I guess. In honor of Tolkien. But I may have to go translate to them first. : )
[4:59 PM]
Or you'll get more hobbit-sized Noldor.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, I did use yards in my post, is what I mean.
[4:59 PM]
And I thought Tolkien used yards.

Varda05/17/2020
I'm tossing in your map since this is a good section for it:
[4:59 PM]
https://www.amazon.com/Middle-Earth-Hobbit-Poster-inches/dp/B07451HJB3
[5:00 PM]
Guess I'll have to check in the book.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yeah see, miles... imperial units

Varda05/17/2020
Welllll, then, I don't know why LotRO uses meters. The game folks are based in the USA.
[5:01 PM]
Guess they're part of the "let's switch to meters" guys. We use that kind of measurement in labs already.
[5:01 PM]
Causes engineering problems, even at NASA, where one section is figured in one system and one in the other.
[5:02 PM]
Would we like to hit the Tolkien Moment now or the rp now while we're all here, more or less?
[5:02 PM]
Vote please.
[5:02 PM]
TM or RP
[5:02 PM]
(Either is fine for me. My time is flexible.)

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
As is mine.
[5:03 PM]
Though if I need to change anything geographically in my post I'd like to know

Varda05/17/2020
I'll do the Tolkien Moment right quick then.
[5:03 PM]
This concerns Aule and Melkor, in
[5:03 PM]
Silmarillion: Valaquenta
[5:04 PM]
Quote:
[5:04 PM]
Aulė has might little less than Ulmo. His lordship is over all the substances of which Arda is made.
In the beginning he wrought much in fellowship with Manwė and Ulmo; and the fashioning of all lands was his labor.
He is a smith and master of all crafts, and he delights in works of skill, however small, as much as in the mighty building of old.
His are the gems that lie deep in the Earth and the gold that is fair in the hand, no less than the walls of the mountains and the basins of the sea.
The Noldor learned most of him, and he was ever their friend.
Melkor was jealous of him, for Aulė was most like himself in thought and in powers, and there was long strife between them, in which Melkor ever marred or undid the works of Aulė, and Aulė grew weary in repairing the tumults and disorders of Melkor.
Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Such a bully.

Varda05/17/2020
Both also desired to make things of their own that should be new and unthought of by others, and delighted in the praise of their skill.
But Aulė remained faithful to Eru and submitted all that he did to his will; and he did not envy the works of others, but sought and gave counsel.
Whereas Melkor spent his spirit in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thoughts of others, and all their works he destroyed if he could.
[5:06 PM]
End quote.
[5:06 PM]
.
[5:06 PM]
Aye, Phar.
[5:06 PM]
And look what it got him.
[5:06 PM]
He lost the ability to craft wonderful, new things.
[5:06 PM]
An interesting bit there is the Noldor reference. : )
[5:07 PM]
Considering we've been in the stories about Auros, and in the talk about the rp.
[5:07 PM]
Speaking of the rp,
[5:07 PM]
We can now move on to that part.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Noldor are friends of Aule.
[5:07 PM]
Dwarves are friends of Aule.
[5:07 PM]
thinks

Varda05/17/2020
Aye. Crafters, all.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, I do suppose the dwarves always tended to get along better with the Noldor than the Sindar.
[5:08 PM]
Both in first and second age.

Varda05/17/2020
For the same reason. Crafting.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yep.

Varda05/17/2020
A shared interest, and they could help each other.
[5:10 PM]
It was in Morgoth's interest to put a wedge between them.

ArienValar05/17/2020
starts crafing a nice necklace

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Oh yes. The Noldor would not have taken kindly to the dwarves running off with a Silmaril.

Varda05/17/2020
heh

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
But Beren beat them to it, at least.
[5:12 PM]
Unless I'm starting to confuse the order of events.

Varda05/17/2020
Eonwe is having problems with his internet.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
two and a half minutes into video Minas Tirith already? How are they going to fill the rest?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Beren got it directly from Morgoth's crown. A little harder to argue with that. The Dwarves were going to try and steal it from Thingol.

Varda05/17/2020
After he commissioned the dwarves to put it in the necklace.
[5:15 PM]
Of course Thingol got it from Beren. That may help your timeline.

ArienValar05/17/2020
well he put the idea in the dwarves head so to say .. well at least he gave them the oppotunity

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
The best friendship between Elf and Dwarf was during the second Age, Khazad Dum and the people of Eregion.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
No, I meant afterwards. Didn't Beren intercept the dwarves after they'd sacked - thinks of name Durotar, no... - Doriath?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Doriath

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yes.
[5:16 PM]
Doriath.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Yes, Beren stopped them before they made it back to their mines.

Varda05/17/2020
Aye

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Did they have the necklace with them at the time?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Yes.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Ah good, then I got it right

Varda05/17/2020
They killed Thingol so they could take it.
[5:17 PM]
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/events/timeline/Complete_Chronology_of_First_Age.htm
[5:19 PM]
Here we go, with the diacritical:
[5:19 PM]
Nauglamķr
[5:19 PM]
That's the name of the necklace.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Oh, right. Nauglafring was the first name.

Varda05/17/2020
502, 503
[5:20 PM]
That's to help look up the events on the years.
[5:21 PM]
Ok, somehow the segue to the rp died a horrible death. Sorry about that.
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RP discussion:

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
So about my last post in the discussion thread: was any of that useful or interesting for anyone? Any of it we want to use or should I nix it all (what isn't yet estabished) and start from scratch?(edited)

Varda05/17/2020
That was a lot of research on your part. Thank you!

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Ah, yes, the "deal" between Calaron and the sorcer.
[5:24 PM]
er.

Varda05/17/2020
Where are we going to say the ruins are?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I was always kind of vague on how he got the ring, was thinking more about how Bilbo would put the Ring in his pocket and didn't know he'd done it.
[5:25 PM]
An actual deal.. I don't know.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Once I know how we feel about what I put forth in that post, I can further comment on what I'm thinking.

ArienValar05/17/2020
some ruins sound intriguing

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
If Calaron did make a deal, I don't think it was one he would remember until after he was possessed. Maybe some sort of charm or hypnotic effect at play, if elves can be subject to that.
[5:26 PM]
But we should probably narrow down a topic

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Well we're already working on the idea he was possessed, so...

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
True.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I figure possession takes consent, he's young, could be fooled in some way, not realizing what he's dealing with.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So if there was some sort of seductive deal going on, he was not in his right mind due to some shadowy influence, and wouldn't even remember having the deal or the ring until it's over.
[5:28 PM]
Yeah, I have trouble imagining him consenting to such a thing unless something was influencing him.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
It doesn't ultimately affect the story I suppose, but since it'd come up a couple of times in discussion I figured I'd throw that out there as a thought.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Maybe. As for the taunt and invitation to Angmar, I think that was mostly hubris on the sorcerer's part.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Annatar didn't need a "shadowy influence" to hide he was Sauron from Gil-Galad and Elrond.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
He knows ways to hit both our buttons and maybe he wants to cause some sort of distraction. Or maybe he wants us to bring the sword, but not sure about that.
[5:30 PM]
True.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Invitation: Fair enough. It's something we'd discussed, so threw it out there.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
But Calaron was a pretty humble wood elf and I don't know what he could be offered out there. Maybe a way out of a dangerous situation?
[5:33 PM]
Anyway. Like you said, it had little bearing.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Information on troop movements, how to win over a young elf lady (here's this shiny apple), anything like that, heh. Ultimately it would just be a ploy to get Calaron to click the EULA without reading it, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Trust in
[5:34 PM]
me, just in me ♪

Varda05/17/2020
Isn't Calaron a noble?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Oh, well, sure.
[5:34 PM]
But I assume all wood elves are humble

Varda05/17/2020
It's the situation. : )
[5:35 PM]
Constantly in danger, finding out they aren't invulnerable, that it doesn't matter to a spider if you're a noble.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Heh, yes.

Varda05/17/2020
And that's "humble" in comparison to the Noldor.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Anyway, just threw it out there if it helped you with some interesting Calaron-side posting.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I like the idea of the sorcerer talking with Calaron, charming him, slipping a ring in his pocket and planting a subliminal idea in his head to try it on if ever in trouble.

Varda05/17/2020
Backstory is a big help in knowing what your character would do.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I know, but... not counting his possession, Calaron himself does not have a lot of story left.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Another thing that crossed my mind. Not saying it would happen, but what if Calaron lost a hand in the end?

Varda05/17/2020
or a finger.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Ooh, now you're digging into the ending I have planned

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That's a bit of a precise cut to be making, heh.
[5:38 PM]
Ok, then I'll leave it alone since you already have plans.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
No, it's fine. I'm not decided between 2 ways for him to be defeated, and 2 ways for him to lose the possession... the latter two being either death, or the loss of his hand.

Varda05/17/2020
Be nice if we don't have to have him killed, but we'll see.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Inbetween is that he's knocked out, close to dying, leaving the sorcerer vulnerable to us removing the ring.

Varda05/17/2020
No cutting, that way.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I was thinking heat of battle kind of a strike, but if you've got plans, I'll leave it to you.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
No. But... is it possible for your hand to be cut off while falling from a steep cliff? A nasty bump?

Varda05/17/2020
And he has rings on all his fingers. Bring some lard to get them all off.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Depends on what's doing the cutting I guess.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
A sharp rock probably wouldn't doit.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Not likely.
[5:42 PM]
Not in that scenario at least.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
A wolf hanging from your arm as you take a tumble, however...

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Well if we're going a Beren v Charcaroth scenario, then Helvy's gotta be bigger than I thought.(edited)

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
He's pretty big, and gotten a bit bigger since we last saw him, perks of leading a pack...
[5:43 PM]
but he wouldn't swallow the hand whole, just bite firmly in his wrist.

Varda05/17/2020
Kind of a deus ex machina? We didn't bring Helvy.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Helvy's coming.

Varda05/17/2020
That does help tie the story together a bit.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I've been describing his progress in various posts before.
[5:45 PM]
The next one being in the following night in the RP
[5:45 PM]
Well, might as well lift the veil a bit more...
[5:45 PM]
we're going to get some unexpected reinforcements during our confrontation

Varda05/17/2020
Been a while since we've heard from him. Wasn't that before Rivendell?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Outnumbered by a dozen orcs? Hmm. What is that howling I hear...
[5:46 PM]
Probably, yes. I think the last one was the night before we arrived.

Varda05/17/2020
A dozen? Auros takes them out with his left hand.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Rivendell took a bit longer than anticipated, but Helvy's pack is slowly making its way up to Angmar.
[5:46 PM]
Heh, 3 dozen then
[5:47 PM]
Whatever it takes for us to require a deus ex!

Varda05/17/2020
Why is Helvy coming? plus pack. Did Calion call? Or is he trying to get back to his friend?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Since being cleansed, Helvy has had a hatred for the corruption that has taken hold in the region, and has been doing his best to recruit a pack from the Mirkwood wolves to fight back.
[5:48 PM]
His ultimate goal is to take down the sorcerer who has possessed his friend and free some other wolves in the process.
[5:49 PM]
Remember, Helvy was present at the moment of possession. He knew exactly what was there, and he sees the sorcerer as the biggest source of evil around Angmar and the north of Mirkwood.
[5:49 PM]
As well as responsible for his own dark past.
[5:49 PM]
He has this instinctual hatred for the sorcerer and survival instinct for his kind.

Varda05/17/2020
Maybe he can join up with us (kind of ) earlier. And give some news to Calion about what really happened?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
He's kinda coming from the southeast past Gundabad. I'm not sure what a point of intercept would be, unless we meet up with them and then turn into a different direction.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
We'd end up coming from opposite directions.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yes, and converging on the sorcerer.

Varda05/17/2020
Would there be any communication with Calion from a distance?
[5:52 PM]
In that case, we could have come in from Mirkwood. Did we go to Riv because of the sword?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
We went to Rivendell because that was Auros' destination.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We took the easier route, Varda  Helvy's just going on a direct path even if he has to tear down every orc camp on Gundabad to get through.

Varda05/17/2020
We were assigned as escort to Auros.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
As for communication, I do suppose Calion might have a link with Helvy that could manifest through a dream or something.
[5:54 PM]
But at this point, the link with his brother would be at least as strong.

Varda05/17/2020
So the sorceror knows the wolf pack is coming.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Not sure. The deus ex should be a surprise even to him, though there would've been reports of ravaged orc squads and a mass of claws and teeth slowly making its way up.
[5:56 PM]
Maybe there is no link, or maybe the sorcerer can't tap into it.
[5:56 PM]
Then again, Helvy can track him.
[5:57 PM]
In fact, he might be following Calaron's exact path from Mirkwood to Angmar.
[5:57 PM]
Might be more a matter of scent and tracking than a mental link.
[5:58 PM]
I'm perfectly fine with the pack coming in last minute, but if you want us to meet up earlier, we'll need to find a way to do it.

Varda05/17/2020
At least maybe Calion is aware they're incoming and at the last minute can communicate.
[5:58 PM]
Kind of have to figure some reason we're in the story.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We could even intercept an aforementioned report.
[5:59 PM]
Oh yes, true. We can't let Helvy take all the credit as if we were never needed

Varda05/17/2020
Helvy goes after the big bad and defeats him. We could stay home and invent the latte?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, there's still the staff.
[6:00 PM]
And the ring.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
And the sword. Which brings me to my next part.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We're needed to clean up

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Auros' reason to bring the sword with him. Objections?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
To trace the staff? No, sounds good.

Varda05/17/2020
Ring eaten, staff no longer matters?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And Calion's in no position to look down on Auros for recklessness
[6:02 PM]
Ring eaten? We don't want Helvy to get indigestion. He could tear off a hand or finger without eating it.
[6:02 PM]
Unless Auros wants to take Helvy for walkies afterwards...

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
The way Auros' is going, it's not like  a homing device. It's more like when the Balrog touched the iron ring on the door that was  begin controlled by Gandalf, and knew it was Gandalf and about his spell.(edited)
[6:03 PM]
Heh, Auros won't be doing that.

Varda05/17/2020
Fainan Mary-Sue's and shoots the sorceror.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Okay. Suggestion.
[6:05 PM]
We get into Angmar. Right of the gap, left of the gap, to be decided. I'd prefer left or there'd be no sense to all the enemy activity being to our east.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
The way I see it, in the search through Angmar's ruins, Auros has Calion and Fainan checking around the ruins, while he goes looking himself, not telling them what he's doing. After doing this a couple of times, Calion gets frustrated, demands to know what exactly Auros is expecting them to find, something along those lines, and surprisingly to Calion, Auros actually gives answers.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Alright.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That's kinda the way I'm seeing it going right now at least.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
If we want to meet up, we should make our first direction northeast, more into the center of Angmar.


Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I'm interesting in the gap between the interruption and how the pieces got separated, but it sounds good
[6:14 PM]
*interested

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
RE: Suggetions about Frali: From my discussion post, Arien, basiaclly I was suggesting that Frali had a connection that could be used to try and do what Auros is trying to do with the sword, but it may come at a cost for Frali. Maybe Auros has to help him "remember" the feeling he got from the sword. Auros might think it's a bad idea but consider options limited. That's a rought idea.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Okay, really gotta do that arena, I'll queue up and fight and chat between matches
[6:15 PM]
I'm trying to win one arena skirmish a day to get the maximum conquest out of it.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Good luck.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Thanks!

Varda05/17/2020
the hammer twirls a sword like a baton

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, feel free to discuss further.
[6:16 PM]
I can intersect now and then.

Varda05/17/2020
drops it by accident on the hammerpad
[6:16 PM]
thwinnnk!

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We don't really have any answers yet, just suggestions

Varda05/17/2020
the gavel picks it back up and returns to the shelf
[6:17 PM]
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After-meeting!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Well, if no one objects to the direction I was going, that's basically the direction I'll be writing towards.

Varda05/17/2020
We are over an hour late closing the meeting. Lots of good chat! Thanks. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So what happens next, Eonwe? Once we find this spot, I guess we're not any closer to the sorcerer.

Varda05/17/2020
Kind of need Auros to get to one side with Frali to talk, see if he can home in on the staff or the forge with the "orc sword".

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
We have the discussion thread as well for during the week as you guys already know.
[6:19 PM]
I see that as happening at the same time Auros is giving the answers Calion is seeking, if Arien is interested in that path for Frali.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Would that crafting spot be a good place to run into an orc messenger, or should we scrap that idea?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I was thinking we'd end up finding Telperos along the way.
[6:20 PM]
Maybe in the third set of ruins.

Varda05/17/2020
Soo, we'll have yet another scout helping us find stuff. But he has had time to find his way into the labyrinth, maybe an idea where the forge is.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That's what I figured, that he'd already found it, even if he didn't necessarily know why it was important.
[6:23 PM]
Probably slew any orcs he found there, maybe kept one alive for questioning.

Varda05/17/2020
checks luggage to make sure none of us have red shirts packed

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I'll leave that bit to you, though I'll keep hammering on the idea that this would be the best time to learn about the pack, if we want to meet up with them.
[6:25 PM]
Whether through Telperos, or the orc he's questioning, or a written message.

Pallando-Valar05/17/2020
Aiya

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Aiya!

Pallando-Valar05/17/2020
Sorry I'm late.

Varda05/17/2020
makes sure none of us are played by Sean Bean
[6:25 PM]
Aiya Pallando : )
[6:25 PM]
Hey, you're a Blue Wizard! Never late. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Yay, won the first arena, now I can quit wow for today

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Arien, I'd copy-paste from the discussion thread what I suggested, but internet.(edited)

Varda05/17/2020
Grats Phar. Maybe you can get some sleep before sunrise!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Congrats Phar :}

Varda05/17/2020
Eonwe's internet is being bad.
[6:28 PM]
we shanghai Pallando to rp Telperos

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
So overall I'm getting the impression we like where I'm going with Auros and the sword, with the resolution of finding the forge, and why it was able to be carved into by orcs in the past but can't put a dent on it now.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Hah.
[6:29 PM]
Some details to be filled in, but I do like it.

Varda05/17/2020
Sauron is into using special forges.

ArienValar05/17/2020
sounds a good idea Eonwe

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
It's an outline, so yeah, details to fill in :} But are there specifics you think I need to hit along the way?

ArienValar05/17/2020
he feels a positive link to the countryside around him anyway and maybe that could be used
[6:30 PM]
you know Dwarves and rocks

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, we need to know how to go from there, but maybe Telperos can help with that.

Varda05/17/2020
and worked stone from the ruins and he'd notice rebuilt parts.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Ok Arien. I won't bother with the sword angle with Frali then it sounds like.

ArienValar05/17/2020
i am open for that .. maybe the sword thing for details and the rock /ruin worked stone thing for roughs
[6:32 PM]
unless its too much to pack in

Varda05/17/2020
We were needing more details. It was becoming too open and shut.

ArienValar05/17/2020
I mean Aranwe worked hard to severe any link/ corruption to the sword in Rivenell but maybe it could be restored in emergency if it is considered valuable and the benefit outranks the profit

Varda05/17/2020
but a controllable link this time.
[6:35 PM]
This time you know it's trying to take you over, which gets your dwarven independence enraged.
[6:35 PM]
and engaged.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
It was mostly to give Frali an angle to be involved and for you to write from if you didn't have a better one, and maybe give you some opportunities for some interesting writing. If you've got an angle you're happy with, it isn't necessary.

Varda05/17/2020
How dare this lot try to take over a dwarf!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
hehe.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
There's Frali's angle, pretty similar to Helvy's  Revenge for being controlled!

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I'd be willing to play it as Auros is low on options, but if we're going to just find the forge shortly after with Telerpos' help, I'm sure there's a law of conservation of something or other that's going to come into play here.

ArienValar05/17/2020
nah its fine Eonwe and Frali wants to be useful even if he thought more in direction with a sword .. you know warrior and certainly wouldnt think in any spell related directon and the thought of being controlled by a strange power is certainly something that would enrage him and he d want revenge for and if Auros thinks its useful Frali is happy enough to go along

Varda05/17/2020
Fainan and Calaron need to stop the mirk of home from becoming lethal, as it's really pervasive.
[6:41 PM]
It would be a dead forest.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Question is, are you interested in writing that angle, Arien :}

ArienValar05/17/2020
aye sure if am capable of doing that ^^

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
OK, if you are intereted in it, then after Calion chastizes Auros for not explaining what he's looking for, in the process of the conversation, it'll be suggested Frali might be able to help.
[6:44 PM]
Auros can help Frali remember the sense the sword gave him when he'd found it, then Frali can use that to try and find the staff/forging area.

Varda05/17/2020
While scouting, Fainan might locate Telperos.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If I had been writing where we're leaving the horses, we would've found his horse :} But I'm reworking all that mentally.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
"I may have found a place to hide our horses! ...And funny thing, one was already there..."

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Question is, would Fainan find Telperos, or would Telperos find Fainan? ;}

Varda05/17/2020
She's scouting, is hoping to find Telperos alive rather than a body. She's actively looking for him as part of their mission.
[6:47 PM]
Would he expect a silvan?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If he's in Angmar, he probably actively trying not to be found.
[6:48 PM]
And if he caught a glimpse of Calaron, he might not be trusting Elves he doesn't know.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Do want to go into that U?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If I'm reading that map right, everything north of the Ettenmoors and South of the Mountains of Angmar is the Realm of Angmar.

Varda05/17/2020
So you're entering the bottom of that U

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Then at Carn Dum there is also an opening into the north, and that north part is also part of Angmar.

Varda05/17/2020
"Here was of old the Witch-realm of Angmar"

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
But Auros was aiming for the land between the Ettenmoors and the Mountains of Angmar.

Varda05/17/2020
So we're not going into the mountains of Angmar at all

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So we're skirting the Ettenmoors on the northwest side and heading into the U.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Yes.
[7:15 PM]
That's more or less what I'm thinking.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Seems a bit early to get rid of our horses then, if we have the entire U to cross before actually reaching the mountains. Or is what we're looking for inside the U?

Varda05/17/2020
Are we headed towards the Gundabad direction once we're in the U?
[7:15 PM]
Agreed, Phar. We should keep the horses. We are not at all where I thought we were.
[7:16 PM]
and the browser is back. : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I think we should refine direction with information we pick up within Angmar. Or to put another way, let's discuss where exactly we want to go :}
[7:17 PM]
Welcome back Browser :}

Varda05/17/2020
So, we're still way down at the Ettenmoors, heading into the backwards C. It looks like the mouth of a snake. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
That's promising

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
:}

Varda05/17/2020
so we need to rewrite the horse part and just go around the southern part of the U.
[7:19 PM]
You want to go inside the U towards where?
[7:19 PM]
Direction of River Langwell? towards Mt. Gundabad? North of Gundabad?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Chasing down the party you saw traces of when scouting sounds like a good start.
[7:20 PM]
you = Fainan

Varda05/17/2020
That was predicated on being at the Carn Dum gap, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We could write a post where Auros checks a map, sees that we're nowhere near we want to be, and tells us that we won't need that hiding place after all

Varda05/17/2020
heh

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
hehe.

Varda05/17/2020
The baddies would be going through Gundabad to reach Mirkwood.
[7:21 PM]
I assume?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That would be one path.

Varda05/17/2020
That's the usual path. Which one are you thinking they took?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Probably the best one for that purpose for the bad guys.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So these baddies are recruited on this side of the Misty Mountains and are now making their way past the Ettenmoors to the northeast to Gundabad for an attack on Mirkwood?

Varda05/17/2020
I guess we followed the Hoarwell up to the Ettenmoors.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Well, orcs would be living in the Misty Mountains and the northern range.

Varda05/17/2020
Goblins and their ilk actually live in Gundabad.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Including Gundabad.
[7:24 PM]
What Varda said.

Varda05/17/2020
It would be an easy staging point for our sorceror.
[7:25 PM]
He might have his forge outside of their or inside.
[7:25 PM]
So the question is where is the forge?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Sounds like we're being drawn to Gundabad

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I don't think we actually want to go there though. We'd never make it out alive, hehe.

Varda05/17/2020
Or north  of it. Or even in the west before the mountains
[7:26 PM]
Figured it was north of Gundabad. Now I'm lost. : )
[7:26 PM]
North west
[7:27 PM]
That the ruins would be in that area
[7:27 PM]
Sooo, Fornost?
[7:27 PM]
sorry no no
[7:28 PM]
Opposite end of those mts from Fornost?
[7:28 PM]
north side?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I think after we pick up some intel in Angmar, we find we need to go further north, beyond the Mountains of Angmar.
[7:29 PM]
At that point, we either risk Carn Dum or take our chances on foot to make it through the Mountains, if we can find a pass safe enough.

Varda05/17/2020
Mountain climbing, no pass. Better have special gear.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So by picking up that intel, you mean inside the U?

Varda05/17/2020
This is a long trek.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Yes.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And this intel is by finding Telperos and the forge?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
It doesn't have to be deep inside.

Varda05/17/2020
Goblin bragging to his buddies, "Look at my new armor! No dents anywhere!" Follow his backtrail.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Well, I guess that depends on whether  the Sorcerer needs the forge and/or knows where to find it.

Varda05/17/2020
We want the forge to unmake the "orc sword"?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If possible, but it might take having both items to destroy them.

Varda05/17/2020
Hope that's in the runes on it.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If the being that forged it was trying to unmake it and reclaim the vested power, and the process was interrupted, it may require bringing them back together to make them vulnerable enough to destroy, and then skipping the part where the power vested in the glaive can be reclaimed.
[7:35 PM]
Rough sketch.

Varda05/17/2020
What happens to the staff if the orc sword is destroyed?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Not to be too practical, but whatever we decided at that point, heh. Within our story, I'm contemplating that it can't be done.
[7:38 PM]
At least not with what we have available. If we had a volcano, that tends to solve alot of problems.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Or a dragon.

Varda05/17/2020
There are dragons up north. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I've entertained the idea of getting that ring off Calaron (alive or dead) and then going on a quest to destroy it by dragonfire.

Varda05/17/2020
So we need to take both staff and sword to the forge to unmake them?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We could combine the two

Varda05/17/2020
Does the ring link the staff and sword too?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
But yes, we'd probably best get the two weapons to the forge and unmake them there.
[7:40 PM]
Probably not, I just thought, as long as we're going to find a dragon...

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
It's probably too cliche'd if the villain got both items then kept us alive to gloat and reforge the glaive only for us to the destroy it at the exact required moment.(edited)

Varda05/17/2020
Any proper villain would have us killed on sight. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
We could go steal the staff from him, then move back to the forge while he chases us, and as we get there... so does Helvy
[7:42 PM]
But I don't think you want to confront him and run

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
If Auros could, he probably would try to settle it then and there, yes.

Varda05/17/2020
Helvy leaps and takes the sorceror over the no-rail ramp and they fall into the forge with the ring and staff and the sword he took.
[7:43 PM]
heh

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Helvy will survive, I can tell you that  Injured from the fall, but alive. Maybe he crawls out of the forge?

Varda05/17/2020
We laugh from our houseless selves and go to Valinor.
[7:44 PM]
Ok, I"m not serious in the slightest, sorry.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Still thought I'd play with it.

Varda05/17/2020
Metal Wolf

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And in the midst of the forge, Helvy fuses with the sword and staff and other metal slag and arises as Mechahelvy!
[7:45 PM]
Cyborg wolf!

Varda05/17/2020
Mainly I'd better go back and not suggest leaving the horses.
[7:46 PM]
And a new webcomic is born.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Heh. If I take out my discovery of the rock shelter there'll be nothing left.
[7:46 PM]
I guess I can mention it as a hiding place if we ever need it.

Varda05/17/2020
Mine's not much either. : )

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
We need a place to spend the night anyway, so leave the rock shelter Phar.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Right

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Again I say, at this stage Auros has not been terribly forthcoming with the plan.

Varda05/17/2020
Mainly we just need to know where we are and which direction we're going. : )
[7:47 PM]
Since we're scouting, we need to be able to say what we saw.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And where/if we want to meet up with Helvy before the confrontation.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
So with some tweaks, Fainan may think they're going to go through on foot, or go along the southern mountains.

Varda05/17/2020
No reason to think we're going on foot.
[7:48 PM]
Sounds as if we are very far from wherever we're going.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
You said "Towards the ruins" so we can say there's ruins of some sort not far from us that we're going to check.
[7:49 PM]
*Fainan said

Varda05/17/2020
No ruins, far as I know.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Some geography doesn't work probably since we're between mountain ranges.

Varda05/17/2020
I'm about to run a delete key over the last part.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Angmar was a kingdom. There's going to be cities and townships of some sort that were abandoned when the kingdom fell.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Okay. So we're staying to the southwest of Gundabad for now, south of the mountains?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Either way, I won't post until you two are satisfied with your posts.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
And are these the ruins where we find the forge, or the ruins where we find Telperos, or both?
[7:51 PM]
I am more unsure of the spelling of his name every time I say it.

Varda05/17/2020
Sounds like nothing at all, just scenery.
[7:51 PM]
We aren't even close.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
We're going to check a few of them (at least two) before we find anything or run into anything.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Frankly all I have to do in my post is replace "hide our horses" with "rest for the night".

Varda05/17/2020
You found us a campsite

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Indeed
[7:52 PM]
Well  hidden, too, and fresh water!

Varda05/17/2020
Can't see why we're even going that way if the main kingdom is north and not in the U.
[7:53 PM]
We need a major forge.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
The realm is in the U and above the U.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Map also places it to the south of Carn Dum, west of the U.
[7:54 PM]
Well, northwest.

Varda05/17/2020
West of the U and with the pass between.
[7:54 PM]
and up past the pass all the way to Gundabad

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
"For at that time the ealm of Angmar arose in the North beyond the Ettenmoors. It's land lay on both sides of the Mountains, and there gathred many evil men, and Orcs, and other fell creatures." -- Appendix A

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
So both areas are in fact Angmar.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Exactly.
[8:00 PM]
I need to go afk for a moment.

Varda05/17/2020
Yes, they are.
[8:02 PM]
So inside the U, to the west and on through the Carn Dum pass and on the other side.
[8:02 PM]
That's a lot of territory to search.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, we're now skirting into the U so we might as well start there?

Varda05/17/2020
Maybe the orc sword has some kind of pull towards the staff to give us at least some direction, stronger as it is closer, but so weak that only Frali can feel it.
[8:03 PM]
Too much area.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
After searching 2 or 3 ruins and me yelling at Auros, we'll finally get that to work

Varda05/17/2020
yay!

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I imagine Helvy would make his way along the north of the U though, unless we have evidence that Calaron traveled through the U as well.
[8:04 PM]
So no chance of meeting up just yet.
[8:07 PM]
I like to imagine the pack moving straight through the Mountains of Angmar causing as much destruction as possible.
[8:07 PM]
Both at Gundabad and Carn Dum.
[8:07 PM]
Wolves can climb mountains, right?

Varda05/17/2020
They would be attacked by armies of goblins.
[8:08 PM]
Wolves could find the best routes into them, likely, but not straight up.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
How many armies are we talking here? It's famously empty since the Five Armies.

Varda05/17/2020
Now that's a thought. How much refill since then?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Enough to launch an attack on Mirkwood, which... didn't happen in canon, I believe
[8:09 PM]
I know Helvy's pack will settle down in NW Mirkwood and keep the place safe after our adventure in Angmar is over, so there's that.

Varda05/17/2020
I made the edit.
[8:10 PM]
Still similar, but no leaving horses behind.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Might want to end with quotation marks?

Varda05/17/2020
Now it's "small ruins"
[8:11 PM]
Good calll, thanks! Done.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Alright, made my edit as well, luckily didn't need to change as much as you did

Varda05/17/2020
That looks as if it should work fine.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I'd appreciate if we didn't skip the entire night though, about time for a Helvy update

Varda05/17/2020
yay!
[8:13 PM]
we snore - daintily as elves
[8:13 PM]
We need to take watches.
[8:14 PM]
The wolves would make great sentry duty types. How about local critters, owls, nightjars, bats?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Not even the sound of a bird in the air, if my post is to be believed  Bats might be interesting.

Varda05/17/2020
As Phar took his turn at watch, his thoughts went to Helvy.
[8:15 PM]
Lizards, bugs?
[8:15 PM]
Ok, so we need to figure what people eat around this large area.
[8:15 PM]
No animals being wild means they have pens. We might follow the livestock sounds, smells, or your critter sense.
[8:16 PM]
Why no animals?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
" The ground here sloped down slightly, and was bare of most vegetation. A few dry grasses, shrubs, an occasional dead tree. He frowned. After spending most of his life in the forest, such a scarcity of life annoyed him. Not even the sound of a bird to be heard in the air. This didn't just feel like a matter of altitude and cold climate. The rot of Angmar was close, and it had never left these parts"
[8:16 PM]
If the enemy needs to eat, I guess they don't rely on this place for it?

Varda05/17/2020
Locals living on jerky.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Maybe
[8:17 PM]
Anyway. I was thinking Calion's about to end his watch.
[8:17 PM]
Stares into the moonlight for a bit, window into the west kind of vibe.
[8:18 PM]
Thinks about Helvy.
[8:18 PM]
Goes to sleep, has a dream... and we shift to wolf's perspective.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
back

Varda05/17/2020
There you go.
[8:18 PM]
Hiya. We cut the parts with leaving horses out of our posts. Didn't take much.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Helvy at this point will have made his way along the Ered Mithrin, north of the... is that Longwell or Langwell?
[8:20 PM]
The pack is starting to scale Mount Gundabad, being more careful, moving only at night, ambushing lone patrols, tracing Calaron's steps.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Ok, caught up in the discussion.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
If Calaron made his way through the U after reaching Gundabad, heading west towards Carn Dum, Helvy will reach us in a few days.
[8:21 PM]
Week tops, depending on his progress along Gundabad.
[8:21 PM]
Should give us plenty of time to do what we want to do in the U.

Varda05/17/2020
Langwell, lang being the old way of writing long.
[8:23 PM]
Like Auld lang syne.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Map wasn't clear, probably could've googled it

Varda05/17/2020
Run the magnifying glass over it.
[8:23 PM]
Makes the part in the square bigger.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
It looks mostly like a triangle, even when I do that
[8:24 PM]
Matching neither o nor a elsewhere in the map.

Varda05/17/2020
Helvy didn't stop off forever in Rivendell. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I imagine his progress has slowed down a bit in the mountains

Varda05/17/2020
Likely

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
You know...

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
(I really need to start my gaming report, will start searching games)

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Part of our problem is that our taunt-happy Houseless wasn't very specific in his taunts. Kinda makes me feel like something here would be useful, starting at :34...
[8:27 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-bQsbrGs4
    YouTube
    kurtlouisfire
    Snickers Feast

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
:smile:

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Ends at about 1:06.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
I guess I assumed Angmar would have like.. a capital. A major city. Where we would go and he would wait for us.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
Carn Dum.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
There we go.
[8:30 PM]
But that's not where the forge is, then.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
But I can't imagine we should be going there without an army.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Well, if we figure out we do need to go there, this would be a nice place to run into some lupine reinforcements then
[8:32 PM]
First I think we need to find this forge and figure out why it's not at Carn Dum.

Varda05/17/2020
Sneaking in since few of us and mostly sneaky types? And it's a pile of ruins that we can hide in?

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
That was my original thought, Varda.

Varda05/17/2020
Carn Dum for forge, but a ruined Carn Dum.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I may be wrong, but I get the feeling sneaking into Carn Dum would be like sneaking into Dol Guldor.

Varda05/17/2020
Soldiers say the rubble in a town gives them lots of hiding places.
[8:34 PM]
Dol Guldur was in good condition until Galadriel and Celeborn.
[8:34 PM]
This place was wrecked a long time ago.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I thought we established it was the weapon might've predated the realm of Angmar anyway, so wouldn't necessarily have been in Carn Dum if so.

Varda05/17/2020
That would be the reason.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Okay, so we've got 2 possible timelines here.
[8:35 PM]
First, we find Telperos in the U, but figure out the forge is in Carn Dum, and will need to make our way northwest.
[8:35 PM]
Sneaking our way in.
[8:36 PM]
If this is the case, there's no need for Calaron to have crossed the U on his way there, which means Helvy's pack won't come down there, and we wont'find them until we near Carn Dum.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I guess I need to reread the story then, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Second, the forge is in the U.
[8:36 PM]
That means Calaron probably visited the place or is even waiting for us near here.
[8:37 PM]
Which means we will run into our wolf friend.
[8:37 PM]
And if we then need to chase Calaron and the staff towards Carn Dum, we have a pack with us.
[8:37 PM]
Or we move first and they catch up with us on the way.
[8:38 PM]
Or we skip Carn Dum altogether and finish the whole confrontation in the U.
[8:38 PM]
At/near the forge.
[8:38 PM]
Depends on where Calaron's waiting for us.
[8:38 PM]
Will make it trickier to find a cliff to fall from, but that can be adapted
[8:39 PM]
Any thoughts?

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
I feel like I just need to spend some time thinking about this at this point. I don't think I'm going to have any sudden breakthroughs of inspiration on this tonight.(edited)

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Fair enough. My next post (at night) will keep things open from Helvy's end, as he'll be no further west than Gundabad. I'll leave our path and the location of Telperos, the forge and all of that in your hands for now.

Eonwe Valar05/17/2020
That's good.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Alrighty rubs hands
[8:46 PM]
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Personal gaming report! ..At 4 am.
[8:49 PM]
For flashgaming, 3 classic games (or series) which I'd played before but are always good.
[8:49 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/Kajenx/william-and-sly-2 is the first! And probably the nth time that I've linked it or its predecessor.
    Kongregate
    William and Sly 2
    The gnomes have stolen Williams journal and scattered the pages all over the mountainside! Luckily, he knows a fox who#39s willing to help him out.
[8:51 PM]
Beautifully made platformer wherein you play a fox who's trying to retrieve his friend's journal pages, also collecting mushrooms and various secrets, including flight
[8:52 PM]
The gameplay's good. The art's good, foreground and background. The movement and animation is incredibly smooth. And the music is delightfully relaxing.
[8:52 PM]
I've linked it before and I'll link it again in the future because the game is just that good
[8:54 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/inXile_Ent/super-stacker-2 is the second game! A classic physics balance game where you have to stack all the blocks of various shapes and sizes and not let any fall off the screen.
    Kongregate
    Super Stacker 2
    Super Stacker is back with 40 new levels, 4 speedruns, a stack editor, revamped graphics and more.

[8:58 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/Ironhidegames/kingdom-rush-frontiers is the third game for this week, part of a famous series of tower defense games, with lots of upgrades and achievements and challenges to overcome
    Kongregate
    Kingdom Rush Frontiers
    The world#39s most devilishly addictive defense game is backwelcome to Kingdom Rush: Frontiers!
    Bigger and badder than ever before, Kingdom Rush: Frontiers i...
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Varda05/17/2020
O wow, it's giving us pictures now.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
There are heroes as well, including a number you would need to buy with real money, but the ones you can get for free should do
[8:59 PM]
Is it? The links?
[8:59 PM]

Blizzard gaming:

Varda05/17/2020
Yes.

Ar-Pharazon-V05/17/2020
Can't see those from here. Just loose links.
[9:00 PM]
Might be in the settings.
[9:02 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
2 levels gained, to 413! Including getting Falstad to 4 and Azmodan to 5. The newest heroes in my roster are doing well.
[9:03 PM]
Strange brawl week, where in all 3 brawls I ended up playing Morales, the healer. Luckily I'm pretty good with that one, and we won 2
[9:05 PM]
Hearthstone:
Got that card back for May, so yay  A swamp card back based on Zangarmarsh.
[9:06 PM]
Also got that free hero, Nemsy the warlock, who I'm now using as my default warlock hero. Since she also has an affiliation with the swamp, I decided to give her the new card back as well. Good timing!
[9:08 PM]
Fun brawl this week; choose 4 cards, your opponent will get to ban one of the 4, and you get a deck full of the other 3 cards.
[9:09 PM]
Plucked a cheap priest deck off the web, leading to you either massively outhealing anything the enemy can do, or killing him off with your own healing spells and a special minion, depending on what the other person decides to ban.
[9:09 PM]
Iin my case, it was the latter
[9:09 PM]
*in
[9:09 PM]
WoW:
[9:10 PM]
Raiding still going well, again clearing all bosses in 2 nights, but this time starting with the final bosses since we got the shortcut quest done. Some people were still missing items for theirs, so we focused on those for the second night, but ended up cleaning out the entire raid anyway.
[9:11 PM]
For horrific visions, we ended up 5-masking Orgrimmar as well this week! With both visions 5-masked, we got the final achievement for a new mount, the Black Serpent of N'Zoth.
[9:12 PM]
With our group efforts over, I poked Stormwind solo at 5 masks in the new reset, using tankspec to handle all the damage. First try went well, but I got destroyed at the final boss. Second attempt went less well, as I got killed twice in quick succession in the last zone.
[9:13 PM]
I'll try Orgrimmar next week, I'm sure it will all work out well enough with practice.
[9:14 PM]
Did my first keystone Freehold, no mount yet, but got a good idea of how the boss order goes and which mobs can be skipped to still fulfill the trash quotum.
[9:15 PM]
Weekly is arena, and since I'm trying to get a bit of extra conquest, I'm making sure to save a win for each day of the week. Not a problem so far, as I win more than I lose in guardian spec
[9:16 PM]
And other than that, got exalted with both new 8.3 factions, the Rajani and the Uldum Accord, during their respective assaults.
[9:16 PM]
From the Uldum Accord I got a pet leash toy, a new pet called a Pygmy Camel, and a vulture mount.
[9:17 PM]
From the Rajani I already had the mount, can't afford the pet yet due to lack of pet charms, and ended up only buying the augmented rune; that's still really good though, since it's a permanent item which you can use to give yourself a rune buff before each fight.
[9:18 PM]
And for wowhead, reading more alpha stuff, lots of interesting details and even zone questing articles... spoilers, but I never mind those
[9:18 PM]
And that's it for Blizzard!

[9:21 PM]
I completed Total Annihilation,
completing another game for my old-game project. Next up will be the expansion. I still want to complete my next biography before I dive into it, but I was curious to see what the new units were and if it's still as difficult as I remember. So I went about halfway through the first level in the Core campaign, testing out new units and new defensive buildings made for this aquatic world. Took a few restarts as I was trying to defend too large an area at first, but after I got the hang of it I'm confident I'll be able to get far into this expansion, and hopefully complete it.
[9:21 PM]
And then I put it aside until I get the writing done
[9:22 PM]
And that's my report for the week!
[9:26 PM]
Whew, such a long transcript, in making my own copy I had to copy it in 4 parts.
[9:26 PM]
Namarie!

Varda05/17/2020
Namarie
[9:32 PM]
I"m killing Gundabad orcs in LotRO : )

Ioreth05/17/2020
Sorry i wasn't here for end of meeting, we had a 22 guild raid on Southwind. Kinda fun. Then I had heroic Carapace

Varda05/17/2020
Very good!
[10:33 PM]
We put your link up for part of the Tolkien section

Ioreth05/17/2020
fun. I thought it was a lot of work, sure gave a new perspective of how those places looked in "person"

Varda05/17/2020
It was amazing. I enjoyed it a lot.

Ioreth05/17/2020
I enjoy things like that. In my fiction I'm always imagining the proportions of things, and stuff like how many days by horse does it take to travel whereever

Varda05/17/2020
Still writing? : )
[10:36 PM]
Any Tolkien stuff?

Ioreth05/17/2020
No, just my Tolkien-like world I created. Books that haven't been written involve a space travel type of thing, but I haven't put to print. I've had fun with it in my mind

Varda05/17/2020
Sounds fun!
[10:37 PM]
Maybe you'll get to write them!

Ioreth05/17/2020
I keep forgetting what I have named folks. I need to start writing stuff down again

Varda05/17/2020
I keep an "Encyclopedia" separate. Helps. And kept a character list.

Ioreth05/17/2020
I do that. I have names I might want to use, names I have used and who they are assigned to, travel miles to different places, I've made a rough map. Years ago I downloaded a fiction map program but I haven't looked at it in ages
[10:40 PM]
I even used a geneology program one time to track geneology of my characters

Varda05/17/2020
Neato : )

Ioreth05/17/2020
I gotto go put animals in, see ya

Varda05/17/2020
Namarie!

Ioreth05/17/2020
Namarrie

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