January 7, 2018 Sunday Meeting
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Transcript work by Varda.
Attending: (5) (7)
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Elladan (After-meeting), Gorlim, Lenwe, Varda
Arien, Aranuir, Gorlim, Varda.
General gaming report
Topic: Recap of the Battles of
Flashgaming Reviews by
(times are in Central from Varda)
Varda - Today at 3:59 PM
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:00 PM
Varda - Today at 4:00 PM
Hi Phar. :smiley: Did you see us talking in Harbor ok?
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:01 PM
I did, though I thought I'd stick here.
Varda - Today at 4:02 PM
That's fine. I was wondering if you could see it and talk from here.
ArienV - Today at 4:05 PM
Aiya all :smiley:
Varda - Today at 4:05 PM
Aiya Arien :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:06 PM
Varda - Today at 4:07 PM
Poking people. :smiley:
Gorlim - Today at 4:07 PM
Lenwe - Today at 4:08 PM
Varda - Today at 4:08 PM
Aiya Gorlim and Lenwe :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:08 PM
Aiya Gorlim and Lenwe!
Varda - Today at 4:11 PM
Next time I do that a bit earlier and with more copy/paste! That's a
Elen sila lumenn'
Welcome to the Discord meeting set-up. It works in place of AIM,
Ventrilo, and often even for the forum or our website. We still use the
forum and website though.
Hoping you all find it handy.
Nice that it works across all our games.
Currently on Discord that said something: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Gorlim,
Currently in LotRO: Arien, Aranuir, Gorlim, Varda.
Some tweaks on the Timeline and related articles. Seeing where we need
Gorlim - Today at 4:15 PM
varda, does golden mallorn have a UC channel? If you dont know ill ask
Varda - Today at 4:16 PM
I don't do a lot with Golden Mallorn, probably should do more. Go ahead
and ask. It's a bit hard to relay across a lot of places and be at all
active in the chat.
Did put the message in the Valar user channel, no one commented.
We are looking for more articles on some of the battles. Be sure your
character is represented by at least a short article (using original
book sources) in the Encyclopedia.
Eonwe could not be here today, but put the Gaming Report online for us.
World of WarCraft:
Wing 3 of Antorus LFR is open: Hope's
Check out what's going on this month Inside
See this week's hotfixes.
Any other general WoW news? Sightings of Valar?
I believe Arien and Ar-pharazon were there, Eonwe
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:21 PM
Varda - Today at 4:21 PM
Heroes of the Storm:
patch is on the PTR.
Did you happen to see Fladrif there too?
I believe Phar was playing it.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:22 PM
heroes of the storm? No, he usually plays Hearthstone though. And I did
see him there.
Says he crafted a pirate legendary card :smiley:
Varda - Today at 4:22 PM
Neat, and thanks. :smiley:
The season has begun for Ranked
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:23 PM
This season comes with frostfire card back, very nice for those of us
who play the mage now and then :wink:
Varda - Today at 4:23 PM
Season 8 of
Competitive play has begun.
Currently the Yule Festival is running, stopping tomorrow Jan 8 at 3
a.m. /servertime (EST).
Hobnangians is running.
The current box run is The Maze 6-man.
High levels are running a lot of dailies for Allegiance halls.
Any other LotRO general comments?
LotRO kin mates on this past week were:
Any other general gaming news, business of any kind that you'd like to
That's a wide-open question for any of you. :smiley:
Does anyone have a Tolkien question or moment they'd like to bring up
before you get one from me?
ArienV - Today at 4:30 PM
none at the moment ..
Varda - Today at 4:30 PM
While going through the Timeline on our site, the battles of Beleriand came up as
something we haven't talked about in a while. Some were full-fledged,
named battles, others a bit smaller, but all were important.
Beleriand, as a reminder if anyone needs it, was the land west of the
Ered Luin (Blue Mountains), settled by elves and those that would
become Numenoreans. Most of it wound up underwater.
In the Silmarillion, the index points at the first battle of Beleriand
as the Kin-slaying at
Alqualonde, in Aman.
That's not in Beleriand, but got the animosities set up for later
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:35 PM
Wasn't there another battle before the Noldor arrived?
Varda - Today at 4:35 PM
Yet when we hit the Silmarillion text, it says the first battle of
Beleriand was the one against the orcs by Thingol's Sindar and Silvans,
with help from Denethor's Green-elves, and the Dwarves.
The kinslaying at Alqualonde was 1495.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:36 PM
Varda - Today at 4:36 PM
Thingol's battle was 1497.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:37 PM
Varda - Today at 4:37 PM
Somewhere between 1497 and before 1500 (I need to check more closely on
that), was the Dagor-nuin-Giliath
("The Battle under the Stars")
Morgoth had sent out his orcs in large numbers overrunning large areas.
Feanor and his warriors easily beat them at Mithrim.
Feanor and his host move on to Angband, Morgoth's fortress. Feanor is
killed by the Balrog Gothmog. Maedhros is ambushed and taken to Angband.
Before Feanor's death, he makes his sons reaffirm their oath to take
back the Silmarils even from a Vala like Morgoth or any other person.
Would have been a good time to release them from that instead, maybe?
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:41 PM
Didn't seem like him.
Varda - Today at 4:41 PM
Aye. Too much ego, hubris.
The Moon and Sun are made.
Fingolfin and the survivors with him come to Middle-earth as the Moon
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:42 PM
It would have been like admitting his death was for nothing, perhaps?
Varda - Today at 4:42 PM
Or saying it was too much to ask of his sons.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:43 PM
Admitting that they couldn't defeat Morgoth.
Varda - Today at 4:43 PM
That should have been a given, heh.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:43 PM
The arrogance of the Noldor, eh?
Varda - Today at 4:44 PM
Well, of the Feanorians at least.
First Age, year 60: The third battle of Beleriand, the Dagor Aglareb, is fought.
Many elves are taken prisoner. Men first meet the Dark Elves
That means "the Glorious Battle".
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:46 PM
Doesn't sound so glorious when you describe it like that.
Varda - Today at 4:46 PM
Here's what they accomplished:
The main battle took place at the March of Maedhros where the High King
of the Noldor, Fingolfin, along with Maedhros, Fëanor's eldest
son, swiftly defeated the main army of the minions of Melkor. At the
same time, several elven squads killed some groups of Orcs that were
separated from the main army.
Afterwards they started the Siege of Angband, bottling the baddies up
for 400 years.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:48 PM
There we go :smiley:
Varda - Today at 4:49 PM
455 FA was called the Fell Year. That was when they fought
The Dagor Brollach, the War
of Sudden Flame
The plains of Ard-Galen are burned and renamed Anfauglith. The Free
Peoples are forced to retreat and are beaten back with heavy slaughter,
losing much territory. In this battle Glaurung emerges in his full
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:50 PM
There was a name I remembered, at least. The battle, that is. The
dragon too, of course.
Varda - Today at 4:50 PM
Fingolfin in wrath of the loss rides alone to the gates of Angband.
That was the big moment when Morgoth actually was injured in the fight.
456 FA is when Fingolfin made it to fight Morgoth solo.
After that, Fingon becomes the lord over the Noldor, and sends
Gil-galad to the Havens.
Barahir forms his outlaw band of humans versus Morgoth.
Includes Gorlim among those heroes. :smiley:
The fifth battle of the War of Beleriand was the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, translated
"Tears Unnumbered" and "Unnumbered Tears". It was also referred to
simply as the Nirnaeth.
That was 472 First Age.
Maehdros assaults Angband from the East and the West. The Union of
Maedhros is utterly defeated because of treachery, impatience, and foul
Just after this time is the Turin Turambar story.
ArienV - Today at 4:55 PM
thats correct .. i built Aranwes story into this battle
Varda - Today at 4:55 PM
There you go.
503 F.A. Eärendil Half-elven is born to Tuor and Idril.
Go ahead, Arien. Pardon. :smiley:
506 F.A. was the second Kinslaying (first after the one at Alqualonde)
ArienV - Today at 4:57 PM
i ll just give you the link
Varda - Today at 4:57 PM
From the Timeline: The sons of Fëanor attack and destroy Doriath
at unawares in the Second Kinslaying.
Thanks, go ahead.
ArienV - Today at 4:58 PM
to the story if you want to know a bit more#
Varda - Today at 4:58 PM
yay fan fic. :smiley:
ArienV - Today at 4:58 PM
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 4:59 PM
Also a few sieges at that time: Nargothrond, Gondolin. Attack of
dwarves on Doriath.
Varda - Today at 4:59 PM
Gondolin falls 510 F.A. aye
Varda - Today at 5:00 PM
538 F. A. The sons of Fëanor, driven by their oath, destroy the
Havens of Sirion in the Third and Final Kinslaying.
That's when Elrond and Elros are taken captive.
Elwing takes the silmaril and jumps into the ocean to keep the
Feanorians from profiting from the kinslaying and protect it.
She's turned into a bird by Ulmo and flies to her husband, Earendil.
The two of them sail to Valinor with the Silmaril.
They don't reach Valinor until 542 F.A. though.
540 F.A. The last inhabitants of Beleriand take refuge in the Isle of
The Valar are very glad that Earendil finally manages to bring the
three groups of Eru's children together and bring in the Silmaril. This
frees them from their oath so they can go against Morgoth.
545-587 The War of Wrath, also called the Great Battle.
The armies were commanded by Eonwe.
The Teleri after the Kinslaying still refused to fight to help the
Noldor, but were willing to sail their ships to carry the army.
The forces of the Valar, including the Vanyar in their one return to
Middle-earth, did battle with Morgoth and ended his harm against the
First and Secondborn
and o yeah, those dwarves.
Angband is destroyed, along with almost all of the Balrogs, Ancalagon
the Black, and the entire host of Morgoth. Sauron captured but escapes.
Eonwë takes the Silmarils from the Crown of Morgoth and beats the
crown into a collar for his neck as Morgoth is bound.
A side effect and one reason the Valar don't normally fight around the
Beleriand is destroyed and sinks beneath the waves.
Two silmarils from Morgoth's crown (the other was taken by Beren) go to
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:07 PM
They don't hold back, do they?
Varda - Today at 5:07 PM
They were freed to fight, aye. :smiley:
Maedhros and Maglor are the only surviving Feanorians and Eonwe doesn't
prevent them from stealing the Silmarils, although they are warned.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:08 PM
Even so, sinking the land beneath their feet...
Varda - Today at 5:09 PM
The stones are hallowed, and the Feanorians are too tainted to hold the
Silmarils without terrible pain.
Maedhros throws himself and his Silmaril into a chasm of fire into the
Earth and dies.
Maglor throws his Silmaril into the Sea. He walks along the seashore
singing sadly for a very long time.
So the Silmarils go to the elements. One in the air with Earendil, one
to fire and earth, and one to water.
Morgoth is cast into the Void by the Valar.
Thus ends the Battles of Beleriand, as there was no more Beleriand.
But also no Morgoth on Arda.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:11 PM
That'll do it, yes.
Varda - Today at 5:11 PM
If you guys want to look at these things on our site sometime, you can
hit the Timeline and find the battles.
These both link to more battles.
Any further comments on the Battles of Beleriand? Hanky blowing? Or
*the hammer marches to the hammerpad to the beat of the drum*
*the hammer marches back to the shelf*
Feel free to return to Harbor, sleep, game, or whatever you may already
be doing. :smiley:
I hope it was a good reminder of the battles, all in one spot.
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:15 PM
Varda - Today at 5:15 PM
Been a while. Seemed time.
Message from Elladan-V:
Wyrrm - Today at 5:15 PM
Sorry. Was making dinner (surprise there, right?) And I am gonna shower
and get in bed. Feels like I'm coming down with something. Tell
everyone I said Aiya/Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:16 PM
ArienV - Today at 5:17 PM
Varda - Today at 5:17 PM
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:21 PM
For flashgames, a warning that one of
the sites I go to has taken the habit of linking directly to the games
on other websites rather than embedding it themselves, for some games.
So there'll be a third website used now and then :smiley:
This one, mostly:
is the first game! Sort of.. physics, obstacle, platformer game. Fly
your bird in the air by holding the up key, recruit other birds in your
Get enough birds, move to the next level, with tougher obstacles to
avoid, and more birds to collect.
Try not to get hit or eaten by many dangers, such as alligators in the
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:48 PM
is the second game, puzzle platformer, time your click and release on
the square to aim it in the right direction, hit the goal without
killing yourself on the obstacles, with as few moves as possible.
Kostka - OneMoreLevel.com
For the third... https://www.kongregate.com/games/netgrind/snakes-on-a-cartesian-plane
will do. Pretty sure I've linked it before, but it came up as a badge I
hadn't earned yet, so there you go. Snake game, but with several
different versions, and completing objectives and scores will unlock
others. This time I had to unlock a certain snake for the badge that
required beating a developer's score, which was actually quite tough to
figure out which one was the easiest.
Snakes On A Cartesian Plane
The mother of all snake games with 28 variations on that game you
played on your candy bar cellphone. COLOR BLIND PLAYERS You can change
the color pallet...
:Since some snakes are obviously tougher than others, but for those the
scores would be lower too.
Diablo 3: Finished chapter 4 of
the season journey, getting all the rewards I wanted, including the new
cosmetic bird wings, very fancy :smiley: With the right legendaries it
was indeed easy enough to complete the last greater rift needed. I can
abandon D3 again until the next season!
Hearthstone: slowly pushing all
the classes forward again. This week's brawl was fun and random, choose
a class, get a deck of random cards which cast random spells on random
targets when played. Much randomness indeed. Luckily I won the first
one already, but it really could've gone either way many times :smiley:
ArienV - Today at 5:59 PM
heading to bed i think .. i have to work tomorrow even though not too
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 5:59 PM
Heroes of the Storm: Still 239?
Eh. Just mentioning it so I have something to compare with next week.
Did play a few lower levels such as Genji and Sergeant Hammer, fun to
Varda - Today at 6:00 PM
Namarie, Arien. :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 6:00 PM
ArienV - Today at 6:00 PM
Namarie all :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 6:00 PM
This week's brawl is Blackheart's Revenge again, a 2-round match, blow
the ship to pieces while the other team tries to stop you, and the
other way around.
Lost both matches, but still fun!
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 6:02 PM
Starcraft II: Part 2 of the war chest is open! Once again I'm doing one
training match every day for the free 100k xp for first win of the day.
Always the same scenario, same instructions, same map, but it's quick,
and nice to see if I can smoothen the process and consistently beat the
game in 15 minutes.
Still no new pets from the old raids for me, though we did get our
third pet from Cho'gall, which means we can once again cut off half a
raid. At least it's going faster every week!
Still working on fel-spotted eggs, had a few more duplicate pets that I
couldn't use because there's a maximum of 3 you can have for each pet.
Ah well. Last mount will show up eventually.
Making progress in the raid, killing the last few bosses of Antorus on
normal difficulty thanks to a completed shortcut, and getting our first
High Command kill on heroic. That got me one of my missing
leatherworking recipes, as well as the tier cloak. Very nice, upped my
overall ilevel by 2!
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 6:08 PM
Got my guardian artifact to level 75, second one to reach that,
unlocking the last relic trait in the netherlight crucible. Combined
with the improved gear, putting me at 942 ilevel, I should be ready to
tackle the mage tower challenge. Mage tower construction is currently
at about 90% and I cleared a bit of my schedule for tomorrow, so
tomorrow evening I'll put a few hours towards the challenge, hopefully
done sooner though since I'm now overgeared :smiley:
Continuing Argus stuff, now on the quest to level my champions to 950.
First one done already. Also unlocked the possibility of getting
missions for the most powerful champion equipment, hoping to get them
all as powerful as possible :smiley:
Also on Argus, I killed the 6th Greater Invasion boss this week, out of
6, completing one of the achievements. I'll have to kill em all again
for unique loot appearances, though.
Other than that, doing more world quests on Argus, fighting a few new
legendary pets, including a couple of tough team-scenarios, and getting
more rep with both factions there. The new class hall missions also
Speaking of rep, completed Talon's Vengeance! Took me about 3 months
total to get to exalted, but with the help of some friends, including
someone who let me kill 9 of his alts last night, I made it to exalted.
This got me a new fancy white hawkstrider mount, like the one from
Kael'thas in Magister's Terrace, but without armor.
Also rep, I farmed all the remaining Heavy Junkboxes needed with my
rogue, including 210 of them on the last night. Was so close, I didn't
want to stop :smiley:
Sent em all to my main druid who delivered them, getting exalted with
Ravenholdt, and finally, after 8 years, completing the Insane in the
Ar-Pharazon-V - Today at 6:17 PM
That's the one for grinding exalted with all the Steamwheedle goblin
factions, Ravenholdt, Darkmoon Faire, and honored with Bloodsail
Buccaneers. I got the Buccaneers to exalted also just because, and also
get Shen'dralar to exalted when it was still part of the achievement,
though it since got removed.
So now I've got the title "the Insane" and I wear it with pride :wink:
With that entire section of factions closed, as well as Talon's
Vengeance, I now find myself at 93 exalted factions. 2 more to go!
Oh, mustn't forget, weekly quest this week is/was winning 4
battlegrounds, that came in really handy as they're a good source of
marks for Talon's Vengeance, and I got all 4 casually as I went through.
And finally, with all that done, I got to work on some more side
projects :smiley: Collected Pepe with goggles in Dalaran, to add to the
Pepe collection, and got back to work on archaeology. I'm missing 2
pristine artifacts for Legion, both of them demonic, and a double
demonic-fragment week just started this reset, so I've got quite a bit
of time to work on them. I hope I get them in that time.
In the meantime I also did some research into future projects, such as
checking out the Argus rares that drop pets and toys which need to be
manually summoned, and all the major sequences of riddles and
exploratory journeys across Azeroth that give mounts, and in one case a
really special pet. That's all lined up for the future, but now I've
got a better idea how to handle them :smiley:
And that's my report for the week!