Valar Guild

November 27, 2016 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (5)
    Arien V (AriehnV), Ar-Pharazon-V (ArPharazonV), ElladanV/Scott92027, Eonwe Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Folders moved: News Archives, Humor, Links (problems with Links to be repaired)
    Eonwe's report on general gaming news.
    Topic: Demarcation of the Ages.
    Tangent topics: What would have happened if an Orc had gotten the One Ring? Also, Orc afterlife. (mixes in a bit with the main topic)
    More on orc afterlife.
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon
    Personal gaming Ar-Pharazon and Arien.

Ar-Pharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has entered the room.
Varda Valar (VardaValar1) has entered the room.
Varda Valar: Aiya Golden One :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya!
Varda Valar: Still some time left, no worries.
Varda Valar: Might be a time to start on the poking, though. I'll go do that in LotRO shortly.
Ar-Pharazon-V: No poking needed, Arien just logged on.
Varda Valar: Speed of light!
Arien V (AriehnV) has entered the room.
Varda Valar: Aiya Sunshine :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya Arien!
Arien V: Aiya Phari and Varda :-)
Eonwe Valar (Eonwe Valar) has entered the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya Eonwe!
Varda Valar: Aiya Eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
Arien V: aiya Eonwe :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: I"m currently in WoW poking some of my off-server lowbie alts to get their 12th anniversary gift and achievement...
Ar-Pharazon-V: I didn't remember I had some of these, and others have really changed for the worse with the new model.
Ar-Pharazon-V: My human male on Lightbringer, Pharazon, looks like he spent a week sleeping in a dumpster.
Arien V: ah i wondered when i saw the name in bnet
Varda Valar: Elladan says hi. He's just leaving, but hopes to be back later.
Arien V: aiya Elladan and see u later :-)
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a moment.
Eonwe Valar: And heya Elladan :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya Elladan!
Elladan-V (Scott92027) has entered the room.
Elladan-V: Aiya!
Varda Valar: Aiya Elladan :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya :-D
Arien V: oh a bear smiley :-D
Varda Valar: Ok, all available pokes done. :-)
Varda Valar: Possibly crossing up with other people's invites, but we try.

Varda Valar: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Varda Valar: Membership:
Varda Valar: Hi from Bilbo, Fangorn, and Sauron on this side of the screen. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hi!
Arien V: Aiya , guys :-)
Varda Valar: Elwing's computer is still out of commission. Her eyesight has improved a lot and continues to get better.
Varda Valar: Don't count her out. :-)
Varda Valar: We are recovering from heaps of turkey, pie, and cookies.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah yes, that silly American holiday!
Varda Valar: Meriadoc was visiting with us and has returned home, hopefully returning to game more often.
Arien V: glad to hear Elwing is better :-D
Varda Valar: Oh, about that holiday, Phar, didn't mean to leave you with the impression that it was started by Calvin Coolidge. :-)
Varda Valar: Presidents give their speech about Thanksgiving, generally at least one per presidency.
Ar-Pharazon-V: That did seem a bit odd, yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aha!
Varda Valar: Noticed that it came out wrong when doing the transcript, ooops.
Varda Valar: Any other membership news? Fabulous turkeys or other?
Elladan-V: had a good turkey :-)
Varda Valar: Huzzah!
Varda Valar: Had to make chocolate chip cookies three different times to keep up. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sometimes I envy people a bit who like chocolate ;-)
Varda Valar: We had cheesecake too. :-)
Varda Valar: Something for everyone. Pumpkin pie.
Varda Valar: Pecan pie.
Ar-Pharazon-V: pumpkin sounds nice, I wonder what it tastes like actually...
Varda Valar: Grab some while it's still available!
Ar-Pharazon-V: through the screen?
Varda Valar: Store, farm, something?
Varda Valar: For us, it's in season. Maybe not where you are.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I don't think it's very popular over here.
Varda Valar: Your point? :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: I'm not sure they even sell it around here, at least commonly ;-)
Varda Valar: awww
Varda Valar: Any other membership news?

Varda Valar: Web:
Varda Valar: We have some changes that might be breaking links, so please report them to Varda by email or AIM.
Varda Valar: The Links and Humor sections moved a while back, but the old versions of them have now been removed since the links are supposed to be good now. [Note: Links link problem.]
Varda Valar: Today, the News Archives were moved.
Varda Valar: The [News Archive] links from the News and on top of the archives should be ok, but anything inside them is probably a wreck.
Varda Valar: If you want something especially that's not yet fixed (and there's too much to fix it all), cut the first part of the url and you can probably find it right away.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Could just fix stuff gradually as it's needed or noticed?
Varda Valar: Back to 1998, all the news we've had, and the Extras section for those years. I'll see what can be done.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hmm, been a long time.
Varda Valar: But people tend not to mention broken links. I find them sometimes a long time later. Will try!
Ar-Pharazon-V: If they don't mention them, I don't see the problem ;-)
Varda Valar: Any other web news, cool links?
Varda Valar: They get anoyed by a bad link, but don't tell me. heh. O right, I noticed that a few years ago...
Varda Valar: It's ok, all works out eventually.
Varda Valar: Any other nifty links?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Indeed.
[Note: more Tolkien Site web news under Gaming.]

Varda Valar: Gaming:
Varda Valar: LotRO:
Varda Valar: Tons of activity going on there, and hoping for much more grouping to come.
Varda Valar: Kinmates seen this past week:
Varda Valar:
Varda Valar: Any other LotRO news?

Varda Valar: (Oh, more on the Tolkien Site. Trying to work on the Timeline, as one of the ways of tying articles together.)
Varda Valar: (And in Stories, Little Jewel hopes to have the next chapter out for Christmas.)
Arien V: (i hope the little girl survives ... although if it is indeed Aragorns sister as one starts to suspect she probably wont )
Varda Valar: *not giving spoilers*
Varda Valar: *shooting stars fly across the evening sky*
Varda Valar: *ok, all better now*
Arien V: *dumdi dumdi da ... *looks innocent*
Varda Valar: Eonwe, would you like to give the rest of the gaming news?
Eonwe Valar: Sure.

Eonwe Valar: World of Warcraft:
Eonwe Valar: Pilgrim's Bounty is going this week and is almost over!
Eonwe Valar: Check out this week's hotfixes.
Eonwe Valar: A new feature is available on the official WoW site for those interested: Mythic Keystone Leaderboards.
Eonwe Valar: Lothar News: On this week besides me -  Bofur and Nob
Ar-Pharazon-V: Anniversary event also almost over.

Eonwe Valar: Diablo 3:
Eonwe Valar: More adjustments have been made to the PTR patch notes.

Eonwe Valar: Starcraft 2:
Eonwe Valar: Out this week: Patch 3.8.0.

Eonwe Valar: Heroes of the Storm:
Ar-Pharazon-V: (SCII: Also includes Nova mission pack 3)
Eonwe Valar: A hotfix patch came out this week.
Eonwe Valar: (Note on SC2: Nova missions are purchased content)

Eonwe Valar: Hearthstone:
Eonwe Valar: See page 2 of the Gadgetzan Gazzette's latest issue.
Eonwe Valar: Also see the new blog Secrets of the Jade Lotus.

Eonwe Valar: And that, plus Phar'
Eonwe Valar: 's addenda, complete the gaming news from me :}
Varda Valar: Thank you, Eonwe, and thank you to your family for loaning you to us for the report. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: Gotta admit I really like the idea behind the Jade Lotus. I'll still not really specialize among the Hearthstone classes, but it should be quite fun.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I'm also hoping all this will enter WoW one day as well.
Varda Valar: In WoW, Bofur and Nob were spotted. :-)
Varda Valar: Any other Valarite sightings in your games?
Varda Valar: Spotted Melkor while on Battlenet.
Varda Valar: Didn't manage to catch him in time to say hi, unfortunately.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Apparently Arien spotted me on an alt earlier!
Arien V: Helm and Menelvagor in bnet aye
Varda Valar: Oh cool
Arien V: yep i did ^^
Varda Valar: Any other comments, suggestions, kudos, raspberries?
Varda Valar: This is your chance to collar officers.  :-)
Elladan-V: I'm good
Varda Valar: Feel free to whisper Tolkien topics.
Varda Valar: Yay!

Varda Valar: Tolkien:
Varda Valar: While looking over the Timeline and Events for the Tolkien Site, got interested in just when the Ages ended.
Varda Valar: The First Age is the First Age of the Sun, but also can include all the time before the first rising of the Sun.
Ar-Pharazon-V: The 0th age?
Varda Valar: The Elder Ages, another way to refer to that time.
Varda Valar: Pardon, more correctly,
Varda Valar: in the Fourth Age, people often referred to all times preceding as the Elder Days
Varda Valar: but that time was properly all the days before the casting out of Morgoth.
Varda Valar: That's according to RotK, Appendix B, at the start.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Stuff like that is always relative. Elder, newer...
Varda Valar: Nice to know how to label the Tolkien Site pages, though. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: True!
Varda Valar: It says about the First Age:
Varda Valar: "The First Age ended with the Great Battle, in which the Host of Valinor broke Thangorodrim and overthrew Morgoth. Then most of the Noldor returned into the Far West and dwelt in Eressea within sight of Valinor; and many of the Sindar went over Sea also.
Varda Valar: That sounds as if it would also include the time before the Sun
Ar-Pharazon-V: Like I said, you could call that the 0th age. The prologue, perhaps ;-)
Varda Valar: The prologue being longer than the first act? :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Only chronologically!
Varda Valar: We tend to be very Man-centric.
Ar-Pharazon-V: In terms of content.. not so much?
Varda Valar: Here's a few things that happened, some of the content:
Varda Valar:
Ar-Pharazon-V: "It is a common misconception that The First Age began with the first rising of the Sun. It truly began when the Elves were created in Y.T. 1050. "
Varda Valar: Arien found a neat link
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aha!
Arien V: yep i found this and i believe it refers to this battle]
Arien V:
Varda Valar: There you go, Phar. So Elder Days before it.
Arien V: Time stands still (at the Iron Hill)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Judging by the lyrics posted, it's about Fingolfin at the end of the.. ehrr... Arnoediad, or was it the Bragollach?
Ar-Pharazon-V: The one where he ended up duelling Morgoth, anyway.
Varda Valar: Nice that they post the lyrics under it.
Arien V: ah yes sorry messed that up anyway its a good song and still refers to what one calls the Elder Days :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well, that would properly be the First Age by any definition.
Varda Valar: At least we know when the end of the First Age plus Elder Days is. :-)
Varda Valar: Same source: RotK App:
Varda Valar: "The Second Age ended with the first overthrow of Sauron, servant of Morgoth, and the taking of the One Ring.
Ar-Pharazon-V: There's an app for that.
Varda Valar: app for what? :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: RotK, apparently?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Nevermind!
Varda Valar: What is it called? Be good to look for.
Ar-Pharazon-V: No, I was referring to your abbreviation a few lines up.
Varda Valar: lol
Varda Valar: /facepalm
Varda Valar: Appendix
Ar-Pharazon-V: Though so, but still looked funny :-)
Varda Valar: True, never thought of it that way. Times they are a'changin'.
Varda Valar: At least we're not doing the usual old joke about vesitigial body parts.
Elladan-V: Time to get going on the salad and pizza :-) afk a bit
Varda Valar: The Second Age, so much hope at the end,
Varda Valar: putting down Sauron, surely all is well now, right?
Ar-Pharazon-V: It could've been, but they had to keep the Ring.
Varda Valar: Good ol' Isildur, typical human. Very believable.
Varda Valar: At least the Ring was kept away from the Orcs when he fell into the Anduin.

Ar-Pharazon-V: What would've happened if the Orcs had gotten it?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Would one of them take over?
Varda Valar: Hey, it's safe. The head Istar says it probably rolled into the ocean and is lost for good.
Varda Valar: If an Orc took it, Sauron would know in a hurry.
Varda Valar: No Orc could keep it from him.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sauron was still pretty weak there though.
Varda Valar: Next to an Orc?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well, he couldn't take it back from Isildur right away anyway. I figured he'd need to recuperate a bit before being able to chase down his Ring.
Varda Valar: He and the Ringwraiths were shadows, aye.
Varda Valar: So if that Orc puts on the Ring and enters the shadowy world...
Ar-Pharazon-V: He'd be quite scared, I imagine.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Or just run around invisibly. Gollum didn't exactly find himself face to face with Sauron, and that was 2500 to 3000 years later.
Varda Valar: It was about a thousand years before Sauron began rising in Dol Guldur.
Ar-Pharazon-V: There you go. Orc could've had it for a thousand years.
Varda Valar: Gollum was no orc, but a hobbit. And most of the time he was in the dark and didn't need to be invisible.
Varda Valar: but aye, that's a good question.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Only problem would be that *when* Sauron and his elite team started hunting for the Ring, it'd be a lot easier to find.
Varda Valar: Sauron started calling all evil creatures and the Ring to himself only after he gained strength.
Varda Valar: True, Phar
Varda Valar: But Gollum didn't seem to be affected by the call until after leaving the mountain to search for the Ring.
Ar-Pharazon-V: And what would an Orc chieftain or captain be able to do with the Ring?
Varda Valar: Maybe timing?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Possibly.
Varda Valar: An Orc would fade rapidly, being eaten up already by ambition, greed, and those things that the Ring easily manipulated.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Orc wraith?
Varda Valar: That would be interesting.
Varda Valar: We know of no elf wraiths.
Varda Valar: If an elf corrupted into an orc gained the One Ring, then what?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Just because we don't know of any elf wraiths, doesn't mean they couldn't exist, especially as an orc who seems to be more mortal.
Varda Valar: There were Houseless Elves. Could be considered a form of wraith, having nothing to do with Rings
Ar-Pharazon-V: Houseless Orc, with a ring!
Varda Valar: I wonder if the orcs had enough fea left to even be Houseless?
Varda Valar: They seem to have just ceased to exist after death, maybe.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Not sure if Ring-corruption would do that. What would happen to it?
Varda Valar: Orcs seem to have had little left to them other than evil. That makes me wonder, as the elves would become brighter over time as the fea became stronger than the body
Ar-Pharazon-V: I mean, the Ring-wraiths did not pass on to the afterlife the moment they got wraithed, and they were human.
Varda Valar: Aye, trapped ghosts?
Varda Valar: Trapped fea?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Same could happen for our Orc-friend there.
Varda Valar: *fear
Ar-Pharazon-V: Whatever's left of him, a screaming ball of agony with a ring or something.
Varda Valar: That's why I'm wondering if they still had a fea left.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Possibly something. They were conscious after all.
Varda Valar: Did it dissipate, or become too thin to matter?
Varda Valar: True.
Varda Valar: Fan fic time, there. :-)   Or deep delving into HoMe.
Varda Valar: ok, same source for:
Varda Valar: "The Third Age came to its end in the War of the Ring, but the Fourth Age was not held to have begun until Master Elrond departed, and the time was come for the dominion of Men and the decline of all other 'speaking-peoples' in Middle-earth."
Varda Valar: Elrond could have been High King of the elves, but didn't take it, if I remember correctly.
Varda Valar: Celeborn and Thranduil were still present, but neither took the High King title. That must have gone into Valinor.
Eonwe Valar: Sorry, back and forth alot today, but wanted to comment re: orcs and their fëa: I don't think Tolkien would've support the concept of annihilation of the soul, even for orcs, so it would be relatively safe to assume, if we don't recall specific evidence somewhere, that orc souls do go *somewhere* after death.
Varda Valar: Interesting to speculate on where.
Ar-Pharazon-V: If they kept the Elven fate, Mandos must've been full of them.
Varda Valar: Maybe they had to rebuild from a tiny scrap of fea.
Varda Valar: They might be elven again by the time of the remaking of Arda?
Eonwe Valar: Well, our key there would be in the discussion on the Houseless, coincidentally enough: The summons to Mandos is a choice, but if an Elf refuses, that leaves them (apparently) less resistant to the counter-summons by Morgoth.
Ar-Pharazon-V: "Sheesh, another one? That's like 10000 tonight, did you guys have a battle again? Oh well, down into the tunnels you go."
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hmm, so they might've resisted and stayed behind.
Ar-Pharazon-V: But there'd be so many of them still!
Varda Valar: If they stayed behind, then...?
Eonwe Valar: If we hold to the orcs-were-elves position, they would probably have a sumilar choice. Question is, they know what Morgoth would do with them. Do they go with the (literal) devil they know?
Eonwe Valar: *sumilar = similar
Varda Valar: Plenty of people do. Fear of the unknown seems so great for them.
Eonwe Valar: And you know the lies Morgoth would tell of the Valar, so he could make them sound worse than him.
Ar-Pharazon-V: We don't like change, especially if we don't know what the result's going to end up like.
Varda Valar: Plenty of propagandizing. Sauron was a master of that too, and would have weighed in on the matter.
Varda Valar: Must have been really uncomfortable when they finally had to face Namo in Mandos.
Ar-Pharazon-V: "Where have you been, young man? I called for you 1200 years ago!"
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Good reason to lay all of Angband's tunnels bare when the Valar finally attacked?
Varda Valar: The first time, there were those hiding in the deep places, so aye, the Valar would learn.
Ar-Pharazon-V: They learned their lesson.
Elladan-V: woot 96 :-P
Varda Valar: Grats, Elladan!
Ar-Pharazon-V: LotRO?
Elladan-V: aye
Ar-Pharazon-V: Grats!
Elladan-V: ty
Eonwe Valar: Ok all, time for me to be off.
Varda Valar: *picks up a gavel that bounced off the conveyor belt shelf*
Ar-Pharazon-V: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: Take care, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}
Varda Valar: Namarie, Eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar (Eonwe Valar) has left the room.
Varda Valar: *gavel bounces itself from the table pad and back to the shelf*

Varda Valar: After-meeting!
Varda Valar: Free chat. :-)
Varda Valar (VardaValar1) has left the room.
Varda Valar (VardaValar1) has entered the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiyata
Varda Valar: wow - suddenly no AIM
Ar-Pharazon-V: Odd!

Varda Valar: Fangorn suggested the orc spirits might go to Melkor
Varda Valar: a passing thought
Varda Valar: not bad
Ar-Pharazon-V: Not sure Melkor should be happy with that.
Varda Valar: All of a sudden, lots of company!
Varda Valar: Fangorn's other suggestion: plant food. He says his Huorns would appreciate it.
Ar-Pharazon-V: What, from the fear?
Varda Valar: Melkor might have a lot of orc spirits pop up after battles, all losers. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Constant reminders.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Of failure.
Varda Valar: Ringwraiths can be re-clothed by Sauron, but the orc spirits didn't seem to have that luxury.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Not sure he would've bothered.
Ar-Pharazon-V: So, should I start my personal gaming?
Varda Valar: Aye
Varda Valar: Maybe needed a ring to hang the reclothing on
Ar-Pharazon-V: Silly guy should just use a coathanger.
Varda Valar: Right!

Ar-Pharazon-V: Right, personal gaming.
Ar-Pharazon-V: For flashgames I really had too much choice this week, but here's 3!
Varda Valar: (Houseless would be good for an article.)
Ar-Pharazon-V: is the first one! A top-view game where you have to park cars without hitting stuff.
Ar-Pharazon-V: The less you hit, the more stars you get; hit too much and you have to restart the level.
Elladan-V: did you create it?
Ar-Pharazon-V: The game? No, just giving some games I enjoyed this past week.
Elladan-V: ah!
Ar-Pharazon-V: For the second one, is a platformer game I spent waaaaay too much time playing this week. Only buttons are left and right, you automatically jump when you go off the edge of a platform. Lots of mazes and mechanics, getting quite tough, and I found there was some bad key response if you have too much else going on in the background.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Might occasionally fail to load, depending on WebGL or something. Annoying, But when it works, it's fun! Much timing needed.
Elladan-V: :-)
Elladan-V: hitting the shower and walking the dog.... Namarie! Have a great night everyone!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Namarie!
Elladan-V: and a good week to those I won't talk to
Varda Valar: Namarie!
Elladan-V (Scott92027) has left the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Third game is an action and upgrade game where you play a medieval rifleman defending yourself from an army of baddies coming for you in waves from various directions. Bonus objectives to complete, stars to gather, and pets to unlock!

Ar-Pharazon-V: Blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Got some D3-ing done, for the season, currently level 20. Bit slow still, but if I can put in some time now and again it should be fine.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hearthstone: Some classes really close to 45 now, others still a bit behind. Good thing about some of the new quests is that you can do them with any class you want, even if it's less effective, and you don't even need to win the matches.
Ar-Pharazon-V: This week's brawl is a rogue vs rogue match, with 30 spells that each summon a same-cost minion. Good thing too, because rogue was the class that was furthest behind for me ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Heroes of the Storm: Finished the Nexus Challenge, having played 30 matches with a friend! Got several free heroes, a free mount and a 31 day stimpack in return.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Very profitable.
Ar-Pharazon-V: As far as I can tell, this week's brawl is the same as last week's, but I already have the portrait, so not sure I'm bothering. But the games are short, so why not?
Ar-Pharazon-V: WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V: Got the anniversary rewards with all my alts now!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Still enjoying the lore daily quests, too bad they'll be over in a few days.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Cleared Emerald Nightmare on normal and heroic. At least I'm pretty sure we killed Xavius on heroic.. eh, maybe not. Poked Odyn a bit more today, still no luck.
Ar-Pharazon-V: The weekly quest for this week involves world quest, but I can't access those yet, so that saves me some time ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: *quests
Ar-Pharazon-V: Did my fourth rare archeology quest, and got a new pet in return, a small demon.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Wyrmy Tunkins.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Also got another pet from Ulduar, the tentacle from Yogg-Saron. But it doesn't really move with you, so a bit boring.
Ar-Pharazon-V: For appearance hunting, I've now finished Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj (got the last weapon today) and will do Temple of Ahn'Qiraj once a week starting tomorrow. For the other days that I'm not going through the 3 raids I'm currently clearing for appearances, I'll start doing the 5-man instances from the Burning Crusade expansion. That's going to take some time, especially with multiple difficulties :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: But I do like collecting all this stuff, and it's nice to start progressing through the expansions.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Quest-wise, I've now finished the Highmountain zone! Got the third Pillar of Creation, the Hammer of Khaz'goroth, and finished exploring the zone as well, grabbing all the flightpaths and climbing all the way to Highmountain Peak.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Funny thing, I always thought Highmountain was the mountain range the zone-map shows in the north, but apparently it's the much higher, snowy set of ridges in the southeast corner, overlooking Suramar.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Makes more sense, I guess.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Started the last of the 4 starting-zones, Val'sharah. Beautiful zone, glad I saved it for last, kind of like dessert.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I'm looking forward to quest my way through all the druidy quests.
Ar-Pharazon-V: And that's all my gaming news for this week!
Varda Valar: Thank you, Phar :-)
Arien V: right ..:) i really was impressed with those higher ridges .. thats where  the blacksmithing trainer is if you cross that peak ... forgot the name and get over to Ironhorn Enclave i think
Ar-Pharazon-V: Yes, Ironhorn Enclave. I visited the place for the flightpath and actually noticed the blacksmithing trainer, but wasn't sure if it was anything special.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oh, during my explorations I also came across the Hunter Class Hall, but they kicked me out because I wasn't a hunter. Still, from what I could see, it was quite pretty :-)
Arien V: so beautiful up there and you can go to the top where there is a sign to all those who climb the peak as you ffind on most summits in real life mountains :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Going in in bear or cat form and pretending to be a hunter pet didn't work either ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah yes, found that one too.
Arien V: yeah Trueshot Lodge is impressive '0
Ar-Pharazon-V: That's the one.
Ar-Pharazon-V: It was the last part I was missing for my exploration achievement of the zone, had some trouble finding where it was or how to get to it.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I ultimately made it up there the hard way, along the southern cliffs, rather than going by the route from the waterfall.
Arien V: anyhow ... i have to call it for the night *yawns* happy gaming and sleep tight when u get to it
Arien V: yeah i had trouble fiding that too .. thanks to coordinate addon i finally found it after hours l^^
Ar-Pharazon-V: I felt a bit silly when I couldn't find any empty space on the map, and then saw that "Trueshot Lodge" was written there in large letters across a vaguely unmapped band ;-)
Arien V: simple enough once you find the start of the path actually and go the right one up
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hmm, indeed. Once it's on the map, the watery route is easy to track.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Getting it on the map was the trouble!
Arien V: hehe
Arien V: Namarie my friends \:)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Namarie!
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Varda Valar: Belated namarie, Arien
Varda Valar: Namarie
Ar-Pharazon-V: Namarie!
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Ar-Pharazon-V: Belated transcript mention, just got to level 10 with Lunara in Heroes of the Storm. My third level 10 indeed.
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