April 7, 2013 Sunday Meeting
5pm EDT (UTC - 5)
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Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
Arien-(Valar)/AriehnV, ArPharazonV, AuSteinM-(T), EonweValar
(presiding), farmermaggotv, Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Varda
Hamson-(V) is back and playing LotRO with a new computer.
Farmer Maggot-(V) is back after being ill.
AuSteinM-(T) is back.
Stories by Jay of Lasgalen
Tolkien chat topic: How does Gandalf set up the adventures for the Hobbit?
Tangent: What insrtruments did the dwarves play in the Hobbit book version?
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Eonwe Valar: Heya.
AriehnV: aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: One sec and we'll begin.
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karakedi25: and afk a couple of minutes
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, let's begin.
Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: You all are here :}
Eonwe Valar: Any other membership news?
Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: New stories on the Stories page.
Eonwe Valar: "Misunderstanding" by Jay of Lasgelen, third in the cooking horror drabble series "His Mother's Recipe Book".
Eonwe Valar: "Nursery Crimes: Chapter 3 Hey Diddle Diddle" by Jay of Lasgalen.
Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Isle of Thunder on Stage 5.
Eonwe Valar: Darkmoon Faire is this week.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: My apologies. Need to set an alarm clock.
Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: You made it in time for LotRO news :}
VardaValar1: This Wednesday we had Update 10.1.
VardaValar1: Here's a link to the official Release Notes:
VardaValar1: and to the Known Issues:
VardaValar1: Hamson is back in LotRO with a new computer, he said unit and I assume computer.
VardaValar1: He's still having freezing issues and I've heard others say they had them after this patch.
VardaValar1: I don't know what causes them, but haven't had the problem myself.
VardaValar1: Welcome back. Do you have any idea on what is causing some to freeze in LotRO?
VardaValar1: Thanks. Me either.
VardaValar1: That's all my news on LotRO. : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: SC2:
Eonwe Valar: Patch 2.0.7 came out this past week.
Eonwe Valar: Also, make sure you get in a game before April 17th for a Feat of Strength and some portraits.
Eonwe Valar: It's in celebration of Starcraft's 15th Anniversary.
ArPharazonV: Oh darn, still need to do that.
ArPharazonV: Remind me to after the meeting.
Eonwe Valar: Diablo 3:
Eonwe Valar: A little bit of info has been provided for planned multiplayer improvements: Multiplayer Improvement
Eonwe Valar: I found the "99 closest friends" bit at the end amusing, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news?
ArPharazonV: Some flashgaming. Nothing much worth mentioning.
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Eonwe Valar: OK, guess that's it for gaming.
Eonwe Valar: If you have a Tolkien topic, now's the time to whisper me.
Eonwe Valar: Before we move to Tolkien, I noticed I missed mentioning a new link for the Links page : CalculatorCat.com to check typing speed, plus typing tips.
VardaValar1: That was just a nifty link a friend mentoned, haven't really tested it out well.
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: RP: I hope to put in a post this week.
ArPharazonV: Heh. Same.
VardaValar1: Maybe it would help if Fainan gave you guys a better hook of some sort?
Eonwe Valar: No, I just need to actually have the time to sit down and write it.
VardaValar1: heh ok
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't mean you can't put something of your own up :}
Eonwe Valar: Any other comments on the RP?
VardaValar1: Anyone else want some kind of rp comment hook from Fainan to help a character?
AriehnV: hmm not sure what i could do
AriehnV: or Frali
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ArPharazonV: Well there's an old face.
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer! Wlecome back!
AriehnV: hello farmer :-)
VardaValar1: *Welcome : )
farmermaggotv: greetings everyone
Eonwe Valar: Heya Farmer :} Long time no see :}
Eonwe Valar: Good to see you :}
farmermaggotv: I'm afraid I don't recall most of you, so please forgive me
VardaValar1: That's ok. We remember you.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Farmer! Are we so forgettable?
VardaValar1: Farmer's been unwell, and we're just glad he's able to return today. : )
Eonwe Valar: You might not have had a chance to meet everyone here :}
farmermaggotv: I don't believe I have. I recall some names (ArPharazon,
Eonwe, Gwaihir, and of course, Varda), but not much past that in way of
ArPharazonV: Iryenth is Gilraen.
farmermaggotv: well, greetings to all faces new and old :-)
Eonwe Valar: Welcome back :}
VardaValar1: Hey, we pick up some new faces in five years. : )
AriehnV: greetings ... and may the sun shine upon you Farmer
VardaValar1: Well, 4 actually. : )
AriehnV: I am ArienV :-)
karakedi25: I'm Indis.
VardaValar1: We had an interesting topic brought up by Farmer in a side window earlier.
VardaValar1: Eonwe is being side-tracked by rl at the moment.
AriehnV: ah happens
VardaValar1: The question was about how Gandalf sets up the adventure for the Hobbit.
VardaValar1: He does this in multiple places.
VardaValar1: He's a tie-in to the entire Middle-earth mythology, showing how important this little adventure really is.
VardaValar1: What tie-ins to the wider myth do you see, that helps set up the adventure across the Hobbit?
ArPharazonV: You mean, like.. elements from the greater mythology that make it into The Hobbit?
VardaValar1: Things that Gandalf ties the Hobbit story into. Mainly how he sets up the Hobbit story.
karakedi25: somewhere Gandalf implies that the Valar meant for all the seeming coincidences to bring Bilbo into the party\
Eonwe Valar: The one jumping to mind is that he knows Gwaihir, Lord of
the Eagles in the Third Age. He helped Gwaihir out at one point, and
then in turn help him out, and make appearances during important
moments, including the Battle of Five Armies and the War of the Ring.
VardaValar1: As in he was meant to have the Ring?
Eonwe Valar: *they in turn.
VardaValar1: Aye, so he brings the Eagles in, setting them up all through the stories.
karakedi25: It's in HoMe or in unfinished tales
karakedi25: I think
karakedi25: sorry, deep in the Pits of Isengard atm
farmermaggotv: I thought the unfinished tales had a chunk on the coincidences that led him to arrange the hobbit's journy with the dwarves. looking now
ArPharazonV: He takes the party to Rivendell, which is quite helpful for the rest of the story.
VardaValar1: In LotR, Gandalf comments on how the Ring came to Frodo,
showing that he was meant to have it. And it did come through an
inheritance from Bilbo.
VardaValar1: Frodo picked it up legally.
VardaValar1: This legal ownership had to be set up.
VardaValar1: This gave Frodo more control over the Ring in a fashion.
VardaValar1: Why did Gandalf set up Thorin's Company in the first place?
farmermaggotv: aha, in The Unfinished Tales is a chapter "The Quest of Erebor", where Gandalf explains what brought him to set things up
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Farmer.
farmermaggotv: sorry, skimming and trying to keep up with the chat at the same time
farmermaggotv: one moment
VardaValar1: The H and LotR also have Gandalf's reason. Hearing from UT would be refreshing.
farmermaggotv: essentially Gandalf is tlaking about Sauron having
arisen again and how Smaug would pose a problem (and the general
defensive situation in the north)
farmermaggotv: "You may think that
Rivendell was out of his reach, but I did not think so. The state of
things in the North was very bad. The Kingdom under the Mountain and
the strong Me of Dale were no more. To resist any force that Sauron
might send to regain the northern passes in the mountains and the old
lands of Angmar there were only the Dwarves of the Iron Hill, and
behind them lay a desolation and a Dragon. The Dragon Sauron might use
with terrible effect."
farmermaggotv: and as for the journey itself, "I did no more than follow the lead of 'chance', and made many mistakes on the way. "
VardaValar1: It was tough on Gandalf to have a fairly large part of his
memory removed, as well as his power, when sent to Middle-earth as one
of the Istari.
farmermaggotv: towards the very end of the chapter, Gandalf is speaking about what could have been
farmermaggotv: "But that has been
averted — because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of
spring not far from Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth"
VardaValar1: "There would have been no Queen in Gondor."
karakedi25: Isn't that where he implies that higher powers made it more than chance?
farmermaggotv: In an alternate telling of that chapter, he does talk briefly about the west
ArPharazonV: Right, I think there were like 5 versions of that story.
farmermaggotv: Yep, several — though all have Gandalf with his typical
not telling of everything he knows (and one explicitly states that in
VardaValar1: He's the original mystery guy. : )
farmermaggotv: it would be far too much to quote every one of the
tellings, so I hope the first will suffice for this discussion :-)
VardaValar1: Aye, thanks.
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VardaValar1: Aiya AuStein! : )
austeinm: Aiya all
Eonwe Valar: Looks like the chat has died down. Shall we bang the gavel?
Eonwe Valar: Heya Austein :} Another face not seen in a while, hehe.
VardaValar1: We were just talking about how Gandalf managed to drag Thorin's Company into his plans, and kept it on track.
VardaValar1: We're the Nine now! Nine Walkers, The Nine, and Nine Valarites. : )
austeinm: Are you our Gandalf? In which case what am I getting myself into?
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VardaValar1: Just watch out for anything...shiny./
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ArPharazonV: And then there were 8.
ArPharazonV: Ah :-)
VardaValar1: Ye olde crash. Plus he was needing to leave shortly.
austeinm: It's... been a while since I used a chatroom
VardaValar1: We'll have to fix that!
VardaValar1: Anyway, we were figuring out how Gandalf managed to drag
Thorin's Company along to defeat Smaug and just incidentally pick up a
Ring along the way.
VardaValar1: The Gondorians and so on were keeping Sauron's army busy down south, but up north, what was to stop them?
ArPharazonV: By being very persistent at poor Bilbo.
VardaValar1: heh aye
VardaValar1: Smaug was in the northern pass, a useful tool whether knowing or not.
VardaValar1: He had to be removed and the free people there had to be strengthened and allied.
VardaValar1: So Thorin just wants his home back, and a huge hoard of gold. Gandalf can help him get going.
VardaValar1: How can he get Bilbo moving? For some reason the Valar require his presence.
VardaValar1: There's a little of the old Bullroarer Took still in him, and Olorin's job was always to inspire.
VardaValar1: How did he use the dwarves to move Bilbo into position?
ArPharazonV: By telling them Bilbo's a great burglar and they need
him.. and if Bilbo wasn't allowed to join, neither would Gandalf?
VardaValar1: They're stuck.
ArPharazonV: At least I recall something like that.
farmermaggotv: But in terms of getting Bilbo moving, it was just a
matter of getting to the Tookish side of him (which Gandalf hadn't
realized had been burried since his last visit)
ArPharazonV: And not giving him time to think, like the morning they started out.
farmermaggotv: solved by having the dwarves arrive slowly and such (quite similar to Beorn)
farmermaggotv: that too :-)
ArPharazonV: Push, push, push, out the door without a handkerchief.
VardaValar1: An unpleasant surprise. To live to be "good-morninged by the son of Belladonna Took!"
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: True, the same trick as they used on Beorn. May have been used in a lot of places we don't know about.
Eonwe Valar: Hobbbits in general seem to need to be pushed to show their quality. Look at the Scouring of the Shire.
VardaValar1: The dwarves themselves moved Bilbo. The dwarvish singing stirred his blood.
Eonwe Valar: *Hobbits
VardaValar1: Aye, but look out once that avalanche gets started!
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
VardaValar1: After Bilbo woke up to find the dwarves gone, Gandalf came back at him to get him moving.
VardaValar1: Made him feel like he was late for an appointment. : )
Eonwe Valar: Hehe.
AriehnV: as a reminder ^^ and why Bilbo was moved :-)
VardaValar1: That would move me.
ArPharazonV: Didn't each dwarf have an instrument in the book?
VardaValar1: Good point.
VardaValar1: Looking at it now
AriehnV: Thorin had a harp ... a golden harp#
VardaValar1: Fili and Kil had little fiddles.
VardaValar1: Dori, Nori, and Ori had flutes.
AriehnV: i find it quite funny .. since on rennesance painting only angels are shown with golden harps ;-)
VardaValar1: Bombur had a drum.
ArPharazonV: Seems fitting.
VardaValar1: Bifur and Bofur had clarinets.
VardaValar1: Dwalin and Balin had viols.
VardaValar1: And Arien already told of Thorin's golden harp. :-)
VardaValar1: It woke something Tookish in Bilbo. : )
VardaValar1: Then he seemed to lose it badly, but it was still underneath somewhere.
VardaValar1: Ok, we do seem to have wound down. Do we need that gavel of Eonwe's? : )
Eonwe Valar: I think now's a good time :}
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs gavel*
Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting:
VardaValar1: Fangorn says hi. : )
Eonwe Valar: Feel free to continue Tolkien chat, move to non-Tolkien
chat, head off to take care of rl stuff, whatever needs to be done :}
VardaValar1: He just took a break to play some BroodWar.
Eonwe Valar: Don't forget to get a game of SC2 in before April 17th if you have SC2 :}
Eonwe Valar: Heya to Fangorn :}
ArPharazonV: Right, thanks :-)
VardaValar1: He remembered to remind you. Nice. : )
AriehnV: and he logged in hehe
AriehnV: have fun :-) NN
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VardaValar1: Namarie Arien. : )
VardaValar1: Had to update WoW again, heh.
Eonwe Valar: Since we had a request to hit a Cata raid or two, Bastion
of Twilight is on the calendar in Lothar for two weeks from today. That
should give anyone interested a chance to snag an upgrade or two, level
a bit, whatever they need.
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe
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VardaValar1: Namarie :-)
VardaValar1: Wow, lot of people still here!
ArPharazonV: Was about to save and send transcript.
VardaValar1: Sounds good. :-)
karakedi25: namarie...was afk
VardaValar1: Namarie Indis :-)
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ArPharazonV: Saving and sending transcript!