Valar Guild

April 4, 2010 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by:
Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, and Varda.

Attending: (7)
    ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, TulkasValar61, VardaValar1

Meeting begins
    New member: Tar-Palantir-(V)
    Daddy Twofoot-(V)
    Search Everything engine
    Easter egg on the News page for today. Find and click it.
       April Fool's jokes
       New lore/story forum
    There are moments in Tolkien that stand out. Some for beauty, some for amazement, some for horror:
        The Glittering Caves of Aglarond was found during the battle of Helm's Deep.
        Beren's payment. Quote.
        Galadriel's near-"transformation" when Frodo offers her the Ring. 
        Fingon on eagle-back rescuing Maedhros. Quote.
    For next meeting, Indis requested that we discuss writing systems.
    RP discussion

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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Iryenth has entered the room.
Iryenth: Aiya. We are leaving shortly for Easter dinner, but I can scroll for a little.
Eonwe Valar: OK.
Eonwe Valar: We'll begin shortly.
TulkasValar61 has entered the room.
TulkasValar61: hello
Eonwe Valar: Heya Tulkas.
TulkasValar61: I guess its sunday...I seem to have lost track of the days
Eonwe Valar: Aye, it's Sunday.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
Eonwe Valar: Was just about to begin, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Making sure I had all the news :}
VardaValar1: Sorry about losing track of time. Please feel free. : )
Eonwe Valar: Let's get started then :}

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Happy Easter all :}
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
ArPharazonV: Aiya folks
Eonwe Valar: We have a new member this week, Tar-Palantir. Joined through LotRO, of course :}
ArPharazonV: uncle Pala!
VardaValar1: hehe - aye
Eonwe Valar: Daddy Two-foot and his wife are back on LotRO as lifetime members.
VardaValar1: I was gaming with all three til late last night. :-)
Eonwe Valar: We also have a bit of a tragedy. Tulkas, if you're willing to mention it, I'd like you to.
fladrifv has left the room.
TulkasValar61: ok
karakedi25 has entered the room.
TulkasValar61: my wife Kelly and I lost our 23 year old son, on March 25. We buried him last Thursday. Varda and her family sent a beautiful arrangement of flowers. It was sudden, unexpected. He had been in a bad car wreck a year and a half ago and was finally getting really better when he died suddenly in his sleep. Early indications were that it was his prrescription meds that did it even though he had taken the right dosage according to what was missing
karakedi25: aiya!
karakedi25: I'm so sorry, Tulkas.
Eonwe Valar: I'm so sorry, meldo.
ArPharazonV: As am I. I can't imagine what you must be going/have gone through.
TulkasValar61: hence my confusion as to the day of the week
TulkasValar61: His name is Cory and he was 23
Eonwe Valar: I'm afraid I lack much to say, except that you've got friends here :}
VardaValar1: For those of you would like to, Cory's memorial is viewable from our site now.
Iryenth: my sympathies, Tulkas
Eonwe Valar: Is there any other member news?
Iryenth: I'm afraid I need to duck out now - time for dinner :-)
ArPharazonV: enjoy!
VardaValar1: Thanks for coming. : )
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Eonwe Valar: OK, let's move on to Web News:
Eonwe Valar: Your floor, Varda :}
VardaValar1: Thank you.
VardaValar1: The Search Everything engine has been repaired and should be enjoyable once again.
VardaValar1: The server it was on changed, requiring a coding change from Arveleg-(V), which he did as soon as he heard the problem.
VardaValar1: He also intends to add to the current Timeline that you can see in our Events section in the Tolkien Encyclopedia,
VardaValar1: As usual we are expected to look it over, and I will be adding links from it.
VardaValar1: Also, please take a look at our News page and check it for an Easter Egg. :-)
VardaValar1: (waits to see who finds it first)
TulkasValar61: its the underlined green o under the title
ArPharazonV: you mean the actual egg-shape below the Happy Easter heading? ;-)
VardaValar1: Tulkas wins!
ArPharazonV: pff, if I wasn't as slow to type...
VardaValar1: Tulkas, what happens when you go for the egg?
VardaValar1: Poor Phar. It's all that time in the pit.
TulkasValar61: no idea
VardaValar1: Try clicking it.
TulkasValar61: Varda's story of Aule and Yvanna
karakedi25: very sweet, Varda
VardaValar1: It's a fun short story, sort of a tall tale explaining some of our weirder Easter practices.
VardaValar1: Thanks. : )
Eonwe Valar: Amusing story :}
VardaValar1: Thank you. You inspired me with your Eonwe's Christmas to do something for Easter.
Eonwe Valar: :}

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: April Fool's Day just passed. I'll let you go look at Blizzard's jokes youirselves :}
VardaValar1: Sounds fun.
Eonwe Valar: Noblegarden is going.
Eonwe Valar: If you didn't get it last year, don't miss your chance this year.
ArPharazonV: I wish they'd add something from the famous Warcraft 3 Easter map into WoW Noblegarden
ArPharazonV: for more information
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :} I remember the map :}
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: I didn't make it in on Friday, but Varda and family did.
VardaValar1: We've been on a bit during the week as usual too. Elwing as well, and we've seen Arwen.
Eonwe Valar: Uldaman:
Eonwe Valar: Varda was there too :}
Eonwe Valar: I think I popped in during the week.
VardaValar1: Added a gold from a very low character to go towards the next tab in our guild bank. We need a total of 500.
ArPharazonV: 1/500? well... every bit helps?
VardaValar1: We weren't at zero. : )
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VardaValar1: Fladrif just messaged, said he can't get into the chat.
ArPharazonV: ouch

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Usual suspects, plus a new one in Palantir :}
karakedi25: I'm in game and have the list of recent players in front of me.
VardaValar1: Flad says but my Aiya to you all there
karakedi25: In order of recency:
karakedi25: Nellas, Indis, Tar-Palantir, Tulkas, Eomer, Daddy Twofoot, Landroval...
karakedi25: Gorlim, Orome, Eonwe, Morwe, Varda....
karakedi25: Pippin, Gildor, Nimrodel, Lindir...
karakedi25: Rosie, Ancalagon (more recent but I missed him), Angrod...
karakedi25: Faramir, Finarfin...
karakedi25: Fundin, Gwindor
karakedi25: (sorry, Gwindor was 20 days ago). Also various incarnations of Melkor through the hand of one of his relatives.
VardaValar1: Orome's been bringing in Melkor's characters as requested by Melkor, aye.
karakedi25: Spring Festival continues. Some of us are pushing at end-game; those with lower-level alts are also grouping in the Lone Lands (Wastes of Cardolan).
karakedi25: That's all I can think of atm.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Indis :}
TulkasValar61: Anyone know when Melkor gets home from his holidays? I miss my weekday games with him, middle earth can be lonely when most of the participants are in school or at work
VardaValar1: Last night we were taking some of our new folks' mains that are in their 20's through epic book quests and group quests.
VardaValar1: That would be the morning time when you two were running together?
VardaValar1: Sometime this month, not sure exactly when.
TulkasValar61: Yep I get on at 5 am eastern usually with my first coffee and he shows up at 7 ish
VardaValar1: Dis is a morning player often, coming in before work and in the friend channel.
VardaValar1: She's on CST
VardaValar1: If Orome is still online he could probably tell you.
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news? Also, send me Tolkien topics. Don't want to resort to the Wheel of Destiny again, do we? :}
VardaValar1: I'm requesting more entries for the Tolkien Site. The number has dropped dramatically this past year for new ones.
VardaValar1: Make sure your character is represented on the site. : )
Eonwe Valar: Yikes.
ArPharazonV: oh, I've got some gaming news
TulkasValar61: Im going to bow out of meeting,, not in the right frame of mind. gonna go skewer some bad guys for a bit and then to bed early,,house has been full of family all week. last one went home 2 hours ago so I am on the tired side
VardaValar1: Sounds like a good plan.
ArPharazonV: Sleep well, Tulkas!
VardaValar1: I'm hoping for a quick meeting too.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Tulkas.
VardaValar1: Enjoy LotRO. : )
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ArPharazonV: I don't know if it was this week or last week, and if we've discussed it before, but the official World of Warcraft forums got a new forum, the Lore forum
Eonwe Valar: Aka Story forum on the US fora :}
ArPharazonV: ah, right, I was looking for the correct name, Story forum it could be
VardaValar1: Do we have an URL?
VardaValar1: Phar is great with URL's. : )
ArPharazonV: Well I've got about 40+ firefox-tabs open at any given time, and since i'm currently reading that forum, it's easy to get ;-)
Eonwe Valar: That's the US one it seems, so no need for me to post a link :}
ArPharazonV: Aye. I have not seen a European version yet, if there ever will be one.
ArPharazonV: Oh, it appears I'm mistaken, there is one at
ArPharazonV: Huh. Guess I've got 2 versions to keep up with if I can stand that, because i'm trying to read up on all the threads ;-)
ArPharazonV: taking an awful lot of time, I can tell you
ArPharazonV: it's mostly meant for discussing lore and answering questions about it, and there's some interesting information that I hadn't heard before (mostly because I've neither played Horde, nor seriously read any novels/comics)
ArPharazonV: it's also making me want to read those novels, because there seems to be quite some development in them that gets included into WoW in what seems to be an increasing rate, especially with Cataclysm drawing near
ArPharazonV: so I'd recommend any lore-fan to keep an eye on those forums, though I wouldn't recommend going as fanatically at it as I'm trying to at the moment
Eonwe Valar: I've stopped by there every now and then :}
Eonwe Valar: Haven't seen anything that really catches my eye on it yet, though it's still young, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, thanks for announcing that forum, because I'm pretty sure it's new this week and I didn't mention it :}
ArPharazonV: *nod*
Eonwe Valar: Let's move on to Tolkien.
VardaValar1: "Why do races stay in the Dark Ages" caught my eye.
VardaValar1: okies : )
ArPharazonV: I'm currently in 13 pages of complaints about Jaina's personality on the fourth page, it's a bit unsettling
ArPharazonV: though that topic looks nice
ArPharazonV: anyway, that's my topic done, continue with Tolkien ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Jaina has been made a "peace at any cost" kind of character.
ArPharazonV: almost the opposite of Garrosh...
Eonwe Valar: Or Garrosh the opposite of Jaina, since her attitutde extends further back.
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, before this turns to WoW discussion :}
ArPharazonV: :-)

Eonwe Valar: *Pulls forward the Wheel of Destiny*
VardaValar1: Tolkien Moment comes up!
Eonwe Valar: Last chance :}
Eonwe Valar: Varda's floor :}
VardaValar1: There are moments in Tolkien that stand out. Some for beauty, some for amazement, some for horror.
VardaValar1: One that seemed to have all three is one I'm trying to dig up before the wheel turned.
VardaValar1: Feel free if someone else has a Tolkien moment whilst I dig this one out.
karakedi25: The Glittering Caves of Aglarond and Helms Deep?
VardaValar1: I meant something we can quote. : )
Eonwe Valar: "And thus in anguish, Beren paid/ for that great doom upon him laid".. oh, you meant from Sil or LotR? :}
ArPharazonV: Thinking of those 3 factors, one combination that comes to mind would be Galadriel's near-"transformation" when Frodo offers her the Ring (though I remember that more vividly from the movie)
VardaValar1: Any book for the Moments.
Eonwe Valar: The movie version did get a bit,.. overzealous, with that scene.
VardaValar1: ok, if we're going to do mentions instead of Moment quoting, mine was Fingon's rescue of Maedhros from the cliff, riding the eagle and having to cut off Maedhros' hand.
Eonwe Valar: I can only quote from memory about 3 more lines of the Lay of Leithien that I quoted from :}
Eonwe Valar: "Then Fingon the valiant, son of Fingolfin, resolved to heal the feud that divided the Noldor, before their Enemy should be ready for war;
Eonwe Valar: for the earth trembled in the Northlands with the thunder of the forges of Morgoth underground. Long before, in the bliss of Valinor, before Melkor was unchained, or lies came between them, Fingon had been close in friendship with Maedhros;
Eonwe Valar: and though he knew not yet that Maedhrtos had not forgotten him at the burning of the ships, the thought of their ancient friendship stung his heart.
Eonwe Valar: Therefore he dared a deed which is justly renowned among the feats of the princes of the Noldor; alone, and without the counsel of any, he set forth in search of Maedhros;
Eonwe Valar: and aided by the very darkness that Morgoth had made he came unseen into the fastness of his foes. High upon the shoulders of Thangorodrim he climbed, and looked indespair upon the desolation of the land;
Eonwe Valar: but no passage or crevice could he find through which he might come within Morgoth's stronghold. Then in defiance of the Orcs, who cowered still in the dark vaults beneath the earth, he took his harp and sang a song of Valinor that the Noldor made of old, before strife was born among the Sons of Finwė;
Eonwe Valar: and his voice rang in the mournful hollows that had never heard before aught save cries of fear and woe.
Eonwe Valar: Thus Fingon found what he sought. For suddenly aboev him far and faint his song was taken up, and a voice answering called to him. Maedhros it was that sang amid his torment.
Eonwe Valar: But Fingon climbed to the foot of the precipice where his kinsman hung, and then could go no further; and he wept when he saw the cruel device of Morgoth. Maedhros therefore, being in anguish without hope, begged Fingon to shoot him with his bow;
Eonwe Valar: and Fingon strung an arrow, and bent his bow. And seeing no better hope he cried to Manwė, saying: 'O King to whom all birds are dear, speed now this feathered shaft, and recall some pity for the Noldor in their need!'
Eonwe Valar: His prayer was answered swiftly. For Manwė to whom all birds are dear, and to whom they bring news upon Taniquetil from Middle-Earth, had sent forth the race of Eagles, commanding them to dwell in the crags of the North, and to keep watch upon Morgoth;
Eonwe Valar: for Manwė still had pity for the exiled Elves. And the Eagles brought news of much that passed in those days to the sad ears of Manwė. Now, even as Fingon bent his bow, there flew down from the high airs Thorondor, King of Eagles, mightiest of all birds that have ever been,
Eonwe Valar: whose outstretched wings spanned thirty fathoms; and staying Fingon's hand he took him up, and bore him to the face of the rock where Maedhros hung. But Fingon could not release the hellwrought bond upon his wrist, nor sever it, nor draw it from the stone.
Eonwe Valar: Again therefore in his pain Maedhros begged that he would slay him; but Fingon cut off his hand above the wrist, and Thorondor bore them back to Mithrim."
Eonwe Valar: And that's a mouthful, hehe.
VardaValar1: Thank you, a lot of typing on your part!
VardaValar1: But there we can see the combination of beauty, courage, loyalty, amazement, horror in one scene.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: We also don't find Maedhros to be bitter toawrd Fingon about the hand. He goes on to become an even deadlier lefty.
VardaValar1: Fingon saved his life and stopped the torture.
ArPharazonV: He begged him to kill him first. If you're desperate enough to want that, you probably wouldn't blame him for taking off your hand.

VardaValar1: Indis requested that next meeting we discuss writing systems, so we should proabably all dig into that a bit before the next meeting.
Eonwe Valar: Short of trips into HoME, I'm pretty sure the majority of our writing sytstem knowledge is going to come from LotR appendices.
Eonwe Valar: *system
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: Some from Sil
ArPharazonV: when it comes to pronounciation, partially Sil, yes, but when it comes to script, I'm not sure the Sil has much on that?
Eonwe Valar: I'm not recalling anything specific, no.
VardaValar1: Writing system origins mainly.
VardaValar1: Not much.
Eonwe Valar: Shall we bang the gavel and let everyone go about their day?
VardaValar1: Sounds good
Eonwe Valar: Missing Arien and Menel, so would be hard to discuss the RP here.
Eonwe Valar: Good thing we have a discussion thread for the RP too :}
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure there's all that much to discuss at the moment anyway, without writing a few more posts first.
VardaValar1: Mainly we need to post.
VardaValar1: We do have a post for Estarion from Menelvagor.
VardaValar1: He slipped off into the trees.
ArPharazonV: ah, right
VardaValar1: This is a problem for Fainan who has to see to the mission and get Auros out of Mirkwood in one piece.
ArPharazonV: *ponders* I could have Calaron confront Estarion... I envisioned a brotherly reunion, but interacing him with someone else's character might be a fun twist, they're both in the trees now anyway
VardaValar1: She'll have to let Estarion go, since it was by his own choice.
ArPharazonV: *interacting
VardaValar1: That could be interesting. : )
VardaValar1: Splitting the party, always a bad idea. : )
ArPharazonV: Without planning, even. Just short post-by-post dialogue. See if we can keep it from going into god-moding combat ;-)
VardaValar1: Right. Be sure to know what Calaron can and can't do. Also that the real Calaron might pull punches for the body here and there to prevent kinslaying.
ArPharazonV: if I could capture Estarion, anyway... it would be a motivation for our characters to head into the trees
VardaValar1: Estarion also has to avoid kinslaying.
VardaValar1: Avari don't have the same history on the kinslaying, so he could have a different attitude somewhat.
VardaValar1: I was trying to string out the baddies so we would be capable of dealing with them as a group, but now we're getting strung out. oops.
ArPharazonV: I could interrogate him, try to see what he knows, and when the other characters show up to rescue Estarion, Calaron retreats and leaves the message to bring to Calion, to look him up... in Angmar
ArPharazonV: this is all brainstorming here, of course
VardaValar1: Thing is, would we jeapardize the mission for Estarion, when he left voluntarily?
VardaValar1: Aye, this is the place for it outside the forum of course. : )
ArPharazonV: That's a problem, yes, of course. Estarion isn't clued into the actual mission a lot, is he, so we could afford to lose his.. information?
ArPharazonV: nor do we know that that's what Calaron is after
VardaValar1: Fainan hardly knows anything either.
VardaValar1: Good thing Auros hasn't told us.
ArPharazonV: True.
VardaValar1: Also, we're not alone in the woods.
ArPharazonV: Even the trees have ears?
VardaValar1: Start a fight with noise and that party we bunked with could be in the thick of it.
ArPharazonV: heh
ArPharazonV: us getting reinforcements by.. frankly.. npcs, could be another twist
VardaValar1: Maybe just to save Estarion who might have to be written off otherwise.
VardaValar1: If Calaron uses him as a messenger, we don't have to "bring in the eagles".
VardaValar1: Ok, so that should let us have something to chew on for this week. : )
Eonwe Valar: "None and none! What I leave behind I count as no loss!" Wait, that's Fėanor, not Auros... :}
VardaValar1: hehehe
VardaValar1: Maybe... ;-)
ArPharazonV: Aye. I think I'll write up the confrontation, without Menel's knowledge even if he doesn't read this before I post :-)
VardaValar1: I look forward to that.
ArPharazonV: unplanned combat between 2 played characters might be fun, and different from the pre-planned duel between Auros and Estarion earlier, even if it just ends up being 2 lines for every post.
VardaValar1: Fainan will have to watch out for Auros, so if he decides to go back for Estarion, she will too. She would hate to leave anyone behind.
ArPharazonV: Aye. And Calion will jump at the chance to follow you into the trees, having identified the arrow.
VardaValar1: It might be more of a verbal combat too, if you are using him as a messenger. Just turn him loose.
ArPharazonV: Well at first Calaron will be the one trying to ask the questions, since he doesn't know tha tEstarion doesn't know anything.
VardaValar1: Fainan would like to just drag the lot on down the road and dump them out of Mirkwood. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Go back to sitting in trees making arrows peacefully? :}
VardaValar1: Aye, uncomplicated slaughter of orcs and spiders, much preferred.
VardaValar1: I think I'm going to fade off into the starry night now. : )
VardaValar1: Namarie, friends.
Eonwe Valar: OK
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
VardaValar1: (oops, sun is shining)

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting, be about your business all :}
ArPharazonV: not here it isn't ;-)
ArPharazonV: but since it's Easter-weekend, I've got tomorrow off, so no rush to go sleepy jus tyet
VardaValar1: Maybe soon. hehe
ArPharazonV: nah, only 1 am
VardaValar1: Namarie :-)
ArPharazonV: namarie
Eonwe Valar: Take care :}
VardaValar1: Who, me?
VardaValar1: ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
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ArPharazonV: Aiya
AriehnV: woops aiya soorry people just completely forgot , lost time and everything else not to mention the way and balance in Naxx
ArPharazonV: well... we've been done for just over half an hour, but I haven't sent a transcript yet so you'll be here as present
AriehnV: i ll read it up when its up :-)
ArPharazonV: :-)
AriehnV: seven man at Kel thuzad lol and i have to say i d love to go to be d but we will have one fun try
AriehnV: we finished construct , did two bosses in miltary quarter , just killed Sapphi
AriehnV: so i think its enough lol and since the electric guy we ve been 8 man
ArPharazonV: well go ahead now, it doesn't really matter anymore for here ;-)
ArPharazonV: oh, Thaddius?
AriehnV: aye :-)
AriehnV: moaning healer about us being slow losers bla blah u know the sort likely
ArPharazonV: in 5-man pugs, yeah, but I don't really raid with such people
AriehnV: why so high gear score and ages on a naxx boss? i bet u heard it before#
AriehnV: oki do its a guild run lol
AriehnV: so actually not too bad
ArPharazonV: ah :-) well, still
ArPharazonV: we wouldn't really be making our way through ICC if we had that mentality
ArPharazonV: and I like having high gear in old instances, to be honest ;-) I do lvl 70 raids with various people (there's a specialized chat-channel there) and my ICC tanking gear usually makes sure that we have little trouble in any of the places, when it comes to tanking
AriehnV: cool |:-)
AriehnV: we didnt scratch him much , a tiny bit lol 3 dps down
AriehnV: but really was fun and thats all that matters to us so , Namarie for now :-) i hope i remember next sunday
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
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karakedi25: namarie--sorry I didn't participate more in the later part
karakedi25: Namarie
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