Valar Guild

November 2, 2008 Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon-(V), Eonwe-(Valar), and Varda-(Valar)
Time change today for US ending Daylight Savings Time, back in synch with Europe.

Attending: (6)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, GwaihirValar, luthienathariel

    Fladrif's topic: the economies of Middle-earth.

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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: 7 minutes until meeting time.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
fladrifv has entered the room.
fladrifv: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Heya
Eonwe Valar: Varda's at the Rennaisance Faire today, so I'll be chairing.
fladrifv: when will we start?
Eonwe Valar: 4 minutes from now
Eonwe Valar: I plan on starting on the hour.
fladrifv: hope some more jump in then :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
fladrifv: otherwise we can aim for the quickest meeting ever, and that with 1/3 ent...
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: Hope someone has a TOlkien topic too, or I guess we'll talk about the RP :}
fladrifv: I have one, ok maybe a bit strange one but still
Eonwe Valar: No, Ents do not get to become a real boy like pinnochio :}
fladrifv: hooom boom
luthienathariel has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Luthien :}
Eonwe Valar: You came in just as I was getting ready to begin the meeting :}
fladrifv: *waves with a branch*
luthienathariel: ?
luthienathariel: gosh meeting ...
luthienathariel: I forgot all about that
luthienathariel: I just happened to login
Eonwe Valar: Good sense of timing then :}
luthienathariel: well ..
ArPharazonV: just closing off WoW, almost done
Eonwe Valar: Let's begin. No one else has accepted my invitation, so only other person Im expecting is Arien who just came on :}
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
Eonwe Valar: Everyone ready to get this meeting going?
Eonwe Valar: The silence means yes :}
ArPharazonV: you bet ya

Eonwe Valar: Elenn Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Varda and others she mentioned last week are at Renn Faire today. Hope they have fun :}
Eonwe Valar: We have someone who expressed interest in joining us on Lothar to me through e-mail, so hopefully he'll be able to come to a meeting.
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?
Eonwe Valar: AH
Eonwe Valar: Happy birthday to Alatar and Elros, and to Gazarok-(TV) :}
ArPharazonV: happy birthdays!
Eonwe Valar: Seems Lindir's birthday was also this week :}
Eonwe Valar: So Happy Birthday to him :}
AriehnV: conggratulations all :-)
Eonwe Valar: Barahir mentioned Diwali last Sunday (Monday for him) so Happy Diwali to him :}
Eonwe Valar: OK, if there's no more member news,..

Eonwe Valar: Web News:
Eonwe Valar: New article for the Tolkien Encyclopedia: "Concerning Goblins(Orcs) in the Hobbit" by Arien
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Arien :}
AriehnV: :-)

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: The Plague was cured earlier this week. I'm sure some of you are relieved :}
AriehnV: indeed
ArPharazonV: it was a sad day...
ArPharazonV: no more Zombie Calaron...
AriehnV: got some Scourge invasion instead
ArPharazonV: true, but I've gotten everything I want there that I can do without a sizeable group, so...
Eonwe Valar: The Plague was an interesting Event, not without its issues, but certainly unique.
AriehnV: *nod(* i think all reactions where quite aimed for and expected
Eonwe Valar: Whether you liked it or loathed it though, we can move to other things now :}
AriehnV: carry on :-)
Eonwe Valar: "We" being the player base :}
ArPharazonV: Hallow's End is over too, so...
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Hallows End ended.
ArPharazonV: I hope everyone got the achievements they wanted, and had a lot of fun on the side ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Early this morning at 4pm server time for each server.
Eonwe Valar: This here sort of blends into Lothar gaming.
Eonwe Valar: I spent a few minutes everyday this week running the Horseman in a 3-man with friends.
Eonwe Valar: On what I was expecting to be our last run, the Horseman's reins dropped, and I won them :}
AriehnV: grats :-)
Eonwe Valar: Then we managed to get 2 more runs in with my Priest, who I'd just remembered was 66 and could get the daily and the summon, and then another 4 between the daily reset and the disappearance of the Horseman :}
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately, the last 6 runs netted us nothing exciting.
ArPharazonV: grats indeed! I never even saw the reins drop, I'm afraid
ArPharazonV: though I ran through it every day, with 5 people mostly
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I got very lucky on that. WOuld you believe I actually won with a 15?
ArPharazonV: how many were rolling? 3?
Eonwe Valar: Actually, just two. Our third had the reins.
ArPharazonV: then it's very lucky indeed
ArPharazonV: ah
Eonwe Valar: But still, winning with a 15 is crazy :}
ArPharazonV: imagine seeing it drop twice... *shakes head*
ArPharazonV: it is!
Eonwe Valar: Never saw the Horseman's Helm, which is what I was really aiming for.
ArPharazonV: aw
Eonwe Valar: And I ended up with almost the complete Meta-Achievement for Hallow's End done without really trying, so decided I'd get the whole thing done and will be known as "the Hallowed" after the next patch :}
Eonwe Valar: Fitting title for a Paladin, hehe.
ArPharazonV: hehe
ArPharazonV: how many masks out of 20 did you get?
ArPharazonV: I ended up with 8 different ones
Eonwe Valar: I also got everything I wanted from the Scourge Invasion event, which is everything but the trinket from the Kara boss :}
AriehnV: wow
Eonwe Valar: Ok, Almost everything I wanted if you count that trinket :}
ArPharazonV: is that the bag with stuff you can throw?
Eonwe Valar: Yeah
Eonwe Valar: Well, it randomly throws stuff out of it.
Eonwe Valar: When you use it.
ArPharazonV: Kara boss also drops a new small pet for all who kill him
ArPharazonV: a Vampire Batling
Eonwe Valar: Ah yes. That's more icing on the cake for me if I manage to kill him :}
Eonwe Valar: If I get a shot at him, I'm realyl after the trinket :}
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: ..
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Please someone tell me they're saving this...
luthienathariel: i do
ArPharazonV: I am, as always, and I'm sure at least Luthien will save too
Eonwe Valar: Thank you,.. I just hit escape out of habit.
ArPharazonV: then why did you go offline?
fladrifv: I do
Eonwe Valar: No idea, but I hit escape and now I'm back. As far as I can tell I didn't have to reconnect to AIM.
ArPharazonV: I think it said you went offline *shrug*
ArPharazonV: anyway, if you kill the boss, you get the trinket and the pet standard, so no need to choose
ArPharazonV: how about the axe he drops?
Eonwe Valar: Eh, would be nice, but not overwhelmingly excited about it :}
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm a non-axe using druid, so at least I didn't have to worry about that....
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: I think that's it for Lothar news.
Eonwe Valar: Uldaman: I popped in for a bit on Wednesday.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar: hullo folks
ArPharazonV: Aiya Gwai
Eonwe Valar: My Hunter there solo'd Ragefire Chasm for the fun of it.
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gwaihir :}
ArPharazonV: also the achievement? ;-)
Eonwe Valar: We're slowly but surely inching our way up for a bank tab there, hehe :}
Eonwe Valar: Ah yes, the Achievment too :}
Eonwe Valar: And he still had a couple of quests there, so I win all three ways :}
Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Looks like they went into Carn Dum for Halloween.
Eonwe Valar: Varda's own words from the news page following:
ArPharazonV: she wrote something about it on the forum too, not sure if it's the same report
Eonwe Valar: " We gathered together easily. Varda's Fainan at the Tarmann Sursa camp used the Mustering Horn to call in the group, where they picked up quests, sold, and repaired.
Eonwe Valar: Rumil's Tagmyre then Guided us to the camp just outside of Carn Dum. Urro and Barashal fell to us, and we knocked off a few side quests and deeds along the way.
Eonwe Valar: Participants at the start were Ancalagon's Ancbeard (50 guardian), Gorlim's Aeronwy (50 minstrel), Melkor's Belegur (50 hunter), Meriadoc's Kalimacoin (50 guardian), Rumil's Tagmyre (50 hunter), Varda's Fainan (50 hunter).
ArPharazonV: yep, sounds identical
Eonwe Valar: Well inside, Melkor needed to leave for the night and was replaced by Maedhros' Galadhalion (46 champion).
Eonwe Valar: "
Eonwe Valar: Aye, quite likely both are identical.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW and LotRo, or any other gaming news?
ArPharazonV: some Warcraft 3 I played, on
AriehnV: i paid my weekly visit to Argent Dawn this week and met
ArPharazonV: wasn't much, just a bit before bed... played a Helm-s Deep map though, which was fun
ArPharazonV: *Helm's
AriehnV: is there tolkien maps now?
AriehnV: are ?
ArPharazonV: yes, but not the melee kind, but more custom.. each a set hero, orcs can pump out troops, and Rohan etc needs to defend...
AriehnV: ah i see :-)
ArPharazonV: there have been tolkien maps of all different kinds for a long time
ArPharazonV: and I always enjoy playing them :-)
AriehnV: never tried any of them
Eonwe Valar: I'm guessing Phar is done? :}
ArPharazonV: ehrr, yes, sorry
ArPharazonV: go on
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: Arien, you were saying about you visiting Argent Dawn?
AriehnV: aye , finished most of the Hellfire quests now on my hunter, just the Drillmaster and ramparts left i think and saw Valandil on his Orophin in guild channel
AriehnV: thats about it :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: If there's no other gaming news, we can move on to Tolkien :}

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Inspired by a suggestion from Fladrif, let's explore the economies of Middle-Earth.
Eonwe Valar: How do the different peoples pay for stuff, and what examples can we cite about this?
ArPharazonV: you mean currency?
Eonwe Valar: Currency would be part of it, aye.
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif, would you like to give your example? :}
ArPharazonV: tch tch.... ent always falling asleep?
AriehnV: i think he has gone a bit treeiish
Eonwe Valar: Guess he's afk right now :}
ArPharazonV: yep, has an "away" icon in my buddy list
AriehnV: the only thing i can remember of the sort is the mathom trading on peoples birthdays
Eonwe Valar: How would a Hobbit pay his bar tab at the Green Dragon?
ArPharazonV: that seems a bit informal though, Arien
AriehnV: aye true but cant think of anything else
ArPharazonV: I wonder how influental bartering would be...
ArPharazonV: I'll give you a potato for that beer?
Eonwe Valar: Bilbo had coin with which he paid for his and Frodo's birthday party.
ArPharazonV: nothing's mentioned about Frodo taking money and yet he somehow can afford a room in the Prancing Pony...
Eonwe Valar: Aye, the Hobbits had well-to-do families among them.
ArPharazonV: what were the treasure heaps made of at Erebor in The Hobbit?
Eonwe Valar: It seems, being officially part of Arnor, they would've used the weight/coin of that realm.
Eonwe Valar: Plenty of gold as well as other precious metals I'm sure.
ArPharazonV: gold on the form of what? :-)
ArPharazonV: *in
Eonwe Valar: There's also the Troll horde some of which at least seemed to have come from Gondolin.
AriehnV: hoard u mean ;|)
luthienathariel: Gondolin???
fladrifv: *the tree has awaken again*
ArPharazonV: yep, the weapons they found in there came from Gondolin
luthienathariel: :-)
luthienathariel: oh
ArPharazonV: Glamdring and... Orcrist?
Eonwe Valar: bah, hoard yes, pardon
AriehnV: aye but Eonwe wrote Horde :-D
Eonwe Valar: The joy of homophones, hehe.
ArPharazonV: I responded to Luthien :-)
luthienathariel: the old Knights of Ni trick always does it
luthienathariel: oh sorry, got confused.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, a breif account of the treasure in Erebor:
Eonwe Valar: *brief
Eonwe Valar: "countless piles of precious things, gold wrought and unwrought, gems and jewels, and silver red-stained in the ruddy light."
ArPharazonV: gold wrought and unwrought..
ArPharazonV: ore? bars?
fladrifv: sorry what means wrought?
AriehnV: made
AriehnV: and unmade?
AriehnV: i. e. molten maybe
AriehnV: and forged into ignots
Eonwe Valar: "...coats of mail, helms and axes, swords and spears...rows of great jars and vessels filled with a wealth that could not be guessed."
fladrifv: rain of gold? means unwrought?
Eonwe Valar: Unwrought would be either unmade or not yet turned into something yet, usually the latter.
Eonwe Valar: So gold in the form of things like goblets and plates, and also gold that hasn't been turned into anything so facy yet.
Eonwe Valar: *facy = fancy
ArPharazonV: not a word about coins, of course....
Eonwe Valar: Not in those two quotes I gave, no.
ArPharazonV: looks like Tolkien did a good job carefully avoiding the entire aspect
luthienathariel: which I can totally imagine ...
Eonwe Valar: One sec, something just came to mind from LotR..
Eonwe Valar: "To Sam he gaves a little bag of gold" speaking of Bilbo in "Many Partings"
Eonwe Valar: IMplies coin.
Eonwe Valar: Ignore typos. I was only using one hand and holding the book with the other.
ArPharazonV: ..don't see any typos
ArPharazonV: ah, there it is
ArPharazonV: *ignores*
Eonwe Valar: *waves hand* You don't see any typos.
ArPharazonV: these are not the typos you're looking for...
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyone, even if it's not exactly mentioned in every place, there is evidence of coinage and payment.
Eonwe Valar: Anyone = Anyway.
Eonwe Valar: The Dwarves couldn't barter their way to Erebor, after all.
Eonwe Valar: Neither could Frodo to Rivendell.
ArPharazonV: I still assume that actual gold would be quite rare, so "gold coins" must either not really be (solid) gold or they'll be worth a lot
Eonwe Valar: Coins would be made of the actual metal.
Eonwe Valar: A silver coin woulkd be pure silver, a gold coin pure gold, etc.
AriehnV: i should think though that there was trading in goods, u know kind of *Eggs for milk" or butter against bread" depending on the professon or abilitie of the other
ArPharazonV: and that does not strike you as odd, seeing how both metals would be relatively rare?
Eonwe Valar: Weights and "purity" would differ between kingdoms perhaps.
Eonwe Valar: Aye, there would be bartering as well.
ArPharazonV: perhaps
Eonwe Valar: There are plenty of other metals besides silver and gold of course, Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: Such as copper.
ArPharazonV: there is little mention of marketplaces or trade caravans or anything, so if Hobbits did pay for their beer with coins, one wonders where they got them
Eonwe Valar: Differing amounts and purity of the metals in the coinage would result in differing exchange rates.
ArPharazonV: maybe it's like "I'll provide the inn with so many vegetables and in exchange we get so much beer"
Eonwe Valar: Sems the Pipeweed farmers would've been well off, getting paid in coin by Saruman.
ArPharazonV: *nod* probably
Eonwe Valar: *Seems
ArPharazonV: one wonders how they made their way south
ArPharazonV: special buyers within the Shire, hauling the goods off to Isengard in a cart?
Eonwe Valar: Quite likely.
ArPharazonV: the Hobbits were quite surprised to see their pipeweed so far away, I recall
Eonwe Valar: Anyone from the Shire going to Bree would have to have some coin. Perishables might not make it that far, except perhaps from Crickhollow, but the Brandybucks were well off anyway.
ArPharazonV: so international trade must not have been very common
Eonwe Valar: Hobbits weren't accustomed to going much beyond their boundaries anyway.
Eonwe Valar: Trade between nations would've mostly been between nearby nations, i.e. Mirkwood, Erebor, and Dale/Laketown.
AriehnV: Hmm well the Woodelves traded wine with Dale i recall , in the Hobbit and thats what the raft elves did
ArPharazonV: ah yes, like the barrels
Eonwe Valar: Aye
ArPharazonV: they did trade wine, yes... but is there any indication of coinage, or were there other goods coming and going?
Eonwe Valar: Had Gandalf never been to the Shire, Saruman would've have bothered with it most likely.
Eonwe Valar: *wouldn't have
Eonwe Valar: A quick glance into The Hobbit doesn't tell me what the Men of Laketown were getting for their wine sent to MIrkwood.
ArPharazonV: except the empty barrels back, right
Eonwe Valar: If the Elves had nothing they could offer in exchange, some sort of coin probably would've been what was used.
AriehnV: and hospitality for the rafters
AriehnV: to let them rest
ArPharazonV: could be anything, doesn't even have to be coins, just something mutually agreed on...
AriehnV: beer and cloth maybe .. anything the elves couldnt get out of the wood
Eonwe Valar: That still mostly benefits MIrkwood to let them rest.
AriehnV: aye he doesnt say anything about it
ArPharazonV: if memory serves, the ancient Mexicans paid with cocoa beans?
ArPharazonV: no, cacao
ArPharazonV: silly me
Eonwe Valar: Ancient as in Mayan, Incan, or Aztec, perhaps. Sounds familiar.
ArPharazonV: yeah, that's what I meant
Eonwe Valar: The question still remains what the men of Laketown got from the deal.
ArPharazonV: we have no reason to *assume* that they used metal coins, despite the fact that those would be durable, hard to damage and easy to forge by professionals
ArPharazonV: "Cacao beans constituted both a ritual beverage and a major currency system in pre-Columbian Mesoamerican civilizations.
ArPharazonV: At one point the Aztec empire received a yearly tribute of 980 loads (xiquipil in nahuatl) of cacao, in addition to other goods. Each load represented exactly 8000 beans.
ArPharazonV: The buying power of quality beans was such that 80-100 beans could buy a new cloth mantle. The use of cacao beans as currency is also known to have spawned counterfeiters during the Aztec empire
ArPharazonV: ."
ArPharazonV: wiki is our friend
ArPharazonV: so yes, coins are not universal...
AriehnV: still a question how the Master of Esgaroth paid the Elvels and how the townspeople benefitted of the trade , as the Master appears to be of the sort
AriehnV: that had his own profit more in mind than that of otheras
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: where and what did the Esgarothians cultivate, anyway? Where did they get their wine? Would they rely on Mirkwood for meat and herbs?
ArPharazonV: and I'll repeat that question when Eonwe gets back
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Aim kicked me out.
ArPharazonV: where and what did the Esgarothians cultivate, anyway? Where did they get their wine? Would they rely on Mirkwood for meat and herbs?
Eonwe Valar: Could someone give me the last couple of lines?
ArPharazonV: welcome back
Eonwe Valar: Thanks.
ArPharazonV: AriehnV: that had his own profit more in mind than that of otheras was the last sentence before you logged
Eonwe Valar: Did my line about Dwarves get through?
ArPharazonV: no
Eonwe Valar: Last thing I saw was Phar restating that coins were not universal.
Eonwe Valar: Ok, I'll repeat it then.
ArPharazonV: ArPharazonV: so yes, coins are not universal...
ArPharazonV: AriehnV: still a question how the Master of Esgaroth paid the Elvels and how the townspeople benefitted of the trade , as the Master appears to be of the sort
ArPharazonV: AriehnV: that had his own profit more in mind than that of otheras
ArPharazonV: Eonwe Valar has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Dwarves traded their skill in smithing for provisions from the Men they lived near so that they could focus primarily on their smithing and further refine their skill.
Eonwe Valar: Aye about the Master of Esgaroth.
ArPharazonV: smithing-skill vs provisions
Eonwe Valar: Aye
ArPharazonV: well, unless the former includes the creation of metal coins....
ArPharazonV: it seems mostly bartering and trade
Eonwe Valar: The Men had the better deal since early on their agricultural skill wasn't up to par with Dwarves' smithing skill.
ArPharazonV: still, the Dwarves could hardly say no
Eonwe Valar: But it was mutually beneficial because as the Dwarves refined their skills, they both became better armed and were able to hold off threats (i.e. rading orcs) better.
ArPharazonV: hard to grow food in a mountain
Eonwe Valar: *raiding
Eonwe Valar: How the Elves fit into this to offer something the Dwarves couldn't offer is the question if we're assuming bartering between these peoples.
ArPharazonV: herbs from the woods? meat of deer?
ArPharazonV: besides, looking at The Hobbit Dwarf and Elf communication, let alone trade, did not seem plentiful
ArPharazonV: *looking at The Hobbit, Dwarf and Elf communication...
Eonwe Valar: Here's a piece that may offer some insight,..
Eonwe Valar: Thorin just announced to the Master, in the presence of visiting Elves, who he is...
Eonwe Valar: "Then the Master hesitated and looked from one to the other. The Elvenking was very powerful in those parts and the Master wished for no emnity with him,..
Eonwe Valar: nor did he think much of old songs, giving his mind to trade and tolls, to cargoes and gold, to which habit he owed his poisition."
Eonwe Valar: Possibly, the trade with Mirkwood is more to garner favor than whatever they get from Mirkwood itself.
Eonwe Valar: Though, when Bilbo was pulling the Dwarves out of barrels, one of them was in there with apples.
AriehnV: aye and i also remeber the payment that Thorin offered to Bilbo .. , a fourteenth of Smaugs Treasure , wasnt it?
AriehnV: and the funeral costs should he have the bad luck to die
Eonwe Valar: No, I take that back, only says "the smell of apples"
Eonwe Valar: Aye, 1/14th share of the treasure was offered to Bilbo.
ArPharazonV: a barrel of cider with the wine? :-)
Eonwe Valar: Likely :}
Eonwe Valar: Short of sitting here and re-reading The Hobbit, I'm not sure we're going to find much more on this subject. Shall we move to another kingdom or end the discussion here?\
Eonwe Valar: We've been at it for about 45 minutes. Anyone want to escape to other tasks?
Eonwe Valar: Elves seemed to be more interested in precious stones.
ArPharazonV: really? you'd think Legolas would have been more enthusiastic about the Glittering Cave...
luthienathariel: Hey! Shiny!
luthienathariel: lol
luthienathariel: well, true, see Fëanor ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: true, true
Eonwe Valar: Of Bard...
AriehnV: i think there is a quote in the Silmarillion that the Noldor or Elvels in general "greatly loved gems" and remeber they spread them in the streets of Tirion and at the beach of Valinor
Eonwe Valar: "To the Elvenking he gave the emeralds of Girion, such jewels as he most loved, which Dain had restored to him."
Eonwe Valar: Aye, that's another good quote.
Eonwe Valar: The three Elven rings also each had an associated jewel, Fëanor created the Silmarilli, jewels that gave off their own light,..
Eonwe Valar: Ok, I'm going to bang the gavel and let those who want to leave be free. Chat on this topic of course can continue in After-meeting :}
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs gavel*

AriehnV: all right :-) thanks eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar: I understand some of you guys across the sea might be getting near being sleepy :} As much fun as the topic was, it looked to be slowing down and I didn't want to keep you here indefinitely :}
fladrifv: its an interesting but very very big topic
luthienathariel: :-)
fladrifv: maybe something to write some articles about or so
Eonwe Valar: Aye
Eonwe Valar: Hear that everyone reading this transcript? Get to work on some articles :}
fladrifv: or we could have an idea list for some ppl who want to write an article but lack some inspiration or so
ArPharazonV: I thought there was already a list like that?
ArPharazonV: requests etc?
Eonwe Valar: There, I broke the fourth wall for whoever reads this transcript after it's up on the News page :}
Eonwe Valar: Aye, ther eis a list of articles we need for the Encyclopedia.
Eonwe Valar: One sec, I'll get a link.
ArPharazonV: *points at reader* You! Yes, you! We see you reading this transcript! No, don't bother looking behind you!
luthienathariel: hahaha
Eonwe Valar:
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, that's the spirit Phar! :}
Eonwe Valar: Ok, that's the link to requested articles.
Eonwe Valar: Kinda buried in the Encyclopedia pages. I'll suggest to Varda she put it in the menu frame she has set up as well for easier reading.
Eonwe Valar: *Easier access
AriehnV: folks what do you think about an all valar guild wc battlecnet game>?
AriehnV: i ll put it on the forum as well and will mention it next week again
AriehnV: ;-)
Eonwe Valar: hmm?
ArPharazonV: we have some Tolkien maps that require 9-12 players, that could be fun to play with the Valar Guild
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, according to the
Eonwe Valar: Games Page, only 2 people have admitted to playing WC3, so if you find that many to play, tell them they need to check their gaming info on the Games Page :}
ArPharazonV: hmm, are Flad and I in that list?
ArPharazonV: note that Fladrif only found his cds recently and therefore might not have mentioned it ;-)
ArPharazonV: and there might also be some in the Guild that have abandoned the game years ago but might be willing to return for a Valar-game
ArPharazonV: there's a difference between playing a game regularly, and playing a game not that regularly but always being open for a match when requested
ArPharazonV: in the latter case, it's probably not mentioned on the games' page
AriehnV: i ll put it on the forum anyway and we can see how many respond
AriehnV: anyway time to retire to a bit of mining :-) i ll see you guys next week
AriehnV: Namarie for now
AriehnV has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Arien, belatedly :}
ArPharazonV: I'm not sure if anyone here has ever watched the series Hercules: Legendary Journeys, but I was a fan when I was younger, and found this rather funny: the series intro in World of Warcraft:
ArPharazonV: laggy, which is a shame, but otherwise quite recognizable
ArPharazonV: of course, it makes no sense if you don't know the show :-)
Eonwe Valar: Phar, when you send a copy of the transcript to Varda, please send me a copy as well.
ArPharazonV: sure, will do
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, is there a particular reason Phar has an X by his name?
ArPharazonV: not that I'm aware of
Eonwe Valar: Odd,
ArPharazonV: I'm a mystery ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Somehow, I ended up ignoring you Phar... Wonder how that happened...
ArPharazonV: what was the last thing I said?
Eonwe Valar: Last thing I saw you say before ArPharazonV: not that I'm aware of
Eonwe Valar: Was
Eonwe Valar: ArPharazonV: we have some Tolkien maps that require 9-12 players, that could be fun to play with the Valar Guild
ArPharazonV: hmm
ArPharazonV: you've missed quite a bit, but it's not important right now
ArPharazonV: you'll see it in the transcript
Eonwe Valar: Don't know how you got set to ignore,...
ArPharazonV: maybe it sensed your desire to shut me up ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Probably some combination of keys I somehow managed to hit while trying to type.
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: well, gonna save and send
fladrifv: time to lift my branches, namarie for those not so sleepy ones
ArPharazonV: namarie Flad, I'm going to bed as well
fladrifv: log saved, will be send tomorrow