Valar Guild

October 29, 2023 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]

Attending (and typed): (5)

rien, Eonwe, Pengolodh, Sandalf, Varda (presiding)
Meeting begins
Membership news:

    World of Warcraft, Diablo 4, Diablo Immortal, Heroes of the Storm, Warcraft Rumble, Lord of the Rings Online
    Topic: What is meant by the seven stars in the quote that the Numenoreans brought "seven stars, seven stones, and one white tree"?
    More Tolkien chat
    (non) Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games afterwards.
[Note: No report at this time. Phar was disconnected and did not return to the meeting. We think his connection was probably hit by a power outage from weather around storm Babet. Arien has since heard that he's ok, but the roads were being worked on which took out his internet.]


Eonwë Valar — 10/24/2023 1:52 AM
Bah, got the hallow's end drake armor from the Headless Horeseman, and realized it belongs to the upgliest dragonriding dragon. Guess that's why they gave the armor to it. (edited)

Arien  Valar — 10/24/2023 2:26 AM
Aiya ~Eonwe

Eonwë Valar — 10/24/2023 2:34 AM
Heya :}

Eonwë Valar
Bah, got the hallow's end drake armor from the Headless Horeseman, and realized it belongs to the upgliest dragonriding dragon. Guess that's why they gave the armor to it. (edited)

Eonwë Valar — 10/24/2023 5:01 AM
Excuse me, second ugliest, of four mounts.
[5:03 AM]
So I have a Pirate's day saddle on one mount,  Brewfest on another, now the Hallow's End, and on the ugliest of the four I'll be getting the Day of the Dead saddle.
So everyone got their own I guess.

Pengolodh — 10/24/2023 4:42 PM
Getting close!!

October 26, 2023

Pengolodh — 10/26/2023 4:20 AM
Well its seems, the console version of LOTRO is dead in the water due to cost.
[4:20 AM]
Not that this was ever an option. Hopefully it dulls the world chats debates over it

Pengolodh — 10/26/2023 7:00 AM
Off LOTRO topic! the new Star Citizen demo footage is just insane. No loading screens! This would change everything if they achieved this.
    Star Citizen's AMAZING StarEngine Demo

October 28, 2023

Eonwë Valar — 10/28/2023 7:07 AM
Something happened to catch my attention on a skimming of LotR. Who said the following, Gimli or Galadriel: "Dark is the water of Kheled-zaram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nala." Answer:  Trick question. They both did :} No doubt helped Gimli's good opinion of Galadriel, to hear these things described as he himself would describe them. (run your left mouse  button held down over the invisible area for the answer)

October 29, 2023

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 2:31 PM
Galadriel, of course, when she was talking to Gimli upon the arrival of the Fellowship in Lorien.

Varda — Yesterday at 3:55 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 3:58 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
: )
[4:00 PM]
@Bounder @Guild-friend Valar Guild meeting time! Come on over to the Valar Guild's meeting_place !
[4:01 PM]


Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:01 PM]


Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya Arien!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya to Sandalf and Arien : )
[4:01 PM]
Elwing is at my house gaming on LotRO. : )
[4:02 PM]
Any other membership news?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
still haven t heard anything of Pharazon
[4:03 PM]
i sent him an email and messaged everywhere i could

Varda — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Thank you, Arien. Any contact with Fladrif? He might know something?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Yes: Our first snow of the season arrived yesterday and overnight...6 inches of beautiful white snow. The sun came out around sky, fresh white snow, snow-covered pine trees, and cold air....just as I envision Dor-Lomin looked in the First Age...what a day to go out for a run!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Six inches of snow...  Wow!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:03 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
We have Monarch butterflies visiting our flowers. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM


Varda — Yesterday at 4:05 PM
Good thing!
[4:06 PM]
Interesting sign

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
My goal was to get it in before the first snow, and i did.
[4:07 PM]
I was a volunteer firefighter and EMT-B for over 10 years in Nebraska.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Thank you for that!

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Aiya All.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Aiya Pengolodh

Varda — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
Pengolodh! Aiya : )

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
here in ireland, our green isle is forever kissed with just wind and rain  jealous of the snow

Varda — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
Sounds wonderful! If you want snow, you can travel to snow and come home to comfort. ; )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
That is the good old Gulf Stream, for you.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Yeah, the movie "the day after tomorrow" got me all excited that the G stream would malfunction some day soon, so snow all year round  But it would seem the Gulf S works very well
I  will never find a use for my snowboard

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Geologists suspect it has been operating that way for almost 100,000,000 years. I think it is good for another few.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Any other Membership chat?
Any Fladrif sightings?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
43F here, wind chill makes it feel like 23. All the rain the past few days certainly did a number cooling everything down.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
84F here.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:16 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Can you spare a cup of about 20F? :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
passes a cup of warmth
[4:17 PM]
15% chance of rain. I'm used to humidity and would not notice something normal. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Haven't been out in it yet today, but I can feel it through my windows.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
[4:18 PM]
I've been out but back in now. Nice day.  : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
9 degrees Celsius here no idea what that is in Fahrenheit

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Fangorn and Elwing are in Starcraft 2 together now. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Tell google to convert 9C to F and it gives you the formula :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
9C is 48.2F.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
And the answer, and a form to play with.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Sounds chilly!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
no pun intended?4

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
So someone at google was killing time the way I would if I had the chance to do random coding projects at work, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
84F is about 29C

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
It's 6.11111C here.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
28.repetend 8 to be picky. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
Oh, let's be picky :} I've got a clip for that, I'm sure, one sec :}

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
One day  one of my German host-sons was amazed to get up and get ready for school, only to discover the temperature in Lincoln that day was -23.2 Grad C.]
(-10 Grad F)

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
    Dont You Worry About Quotes
    Futurama - You are technically correct, the best kind of correct

Varda — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
In your search you can type Celsius to Fahrenheit or the reverse and it comes up with a box. Fill in the one you know.
[4:23 PM]
yay tech correct : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
That conversion form does more than Temperature. Yep, my kind of killing time, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
On to



[4:26 PM]
O look. Nothing visible that's new. Except you may see links working more and the weird symbols starting to turn into something normal. : )
On to



[4:26 PM]
Eonwe, this gavel is looking at you expectantly. It wants to know if it can do a baseball park slide your way?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:27 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:27 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
First, though, I've found some hidden-camera footage of the people working to make our website better.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
uh oh

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Does anyone want to see it?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
[4:30 PM]
Hard at work there.
[4:31 PM]
Ok, more serious:



[4:32 PM]
World of Warcraft:
[4:32 PM]
This week's bonus events: Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking.
[4:33 PM]
New Content Update coming November 7th, so some new blogs out:

Varda — Yesterday at 4:33 PM
(That is an exact picture.)

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Defend the Dream When Guardians of the Dream Arrives the Week of November 7 ---
    World of Warcraft
    Defend the Dream When Guardians of the Dream Arrives the Week of No...
    When Guardians of the Dream arrives, stouthearted champions will be entrusted to protect a new zone—The Emerald Dream, engage in new Public Events—Superbloom and Emerald Bounty, build Renown with the Dream Wardens for unique rewards, and save the new World Tree from Fyrakk's forces in a new Raid—Amirdrassil, the Dream's Hope.

[4:34 PM]
Dragonflight: Guardians of the Dream Content Update Notes ---
    World of Warcraft
    Dragonflight: Guardians of the Dream Content Update Notes - WoW
    Dragonflight: Guardians of the Dream arrives to World of Warcraft on November 7!

[4:34 PM]
Zone Overview: Enter the Emerald Dream ---
    World of Warcraft
    Zone Overview: Enter the Emerald Dream - WoW
    Discover the Emerald Dream—a verdant and powerful place that serves as a source of life and hope and is essential to Azeroth's continued survival.

[4:35 PM]
Get Ready for the Battleground Blitz Brawl ---
    World of Warcraft
    Get Ready for the Battleground Blitz Brawl - WoW
    The Guardians of the Dream content update the week of November 7 brings with it a variety of new content including a new mode of play allowing players to engage in PvP via a new solo queue for an 8v8 player battleground experience.

[4:35 PM]
Developer Insight: Universal Upgrade System Improvements for Dragonflight Season 3 ---
    World of Warcraft
    Developer Insight: Universal Upgrade System Improvements for Dragon...
    Dragonflight is an expansion that has introduced many changes to World of Warcraft, and one of the largest of those changes is the introduction of the new universal upgrade system in Embers of Neltharion.         We’re seeing it have a healthy effect on the game, but there’s still room for improvement. In this Developer Insight article, we take you a li...

[4:35 PM]
Enhance Your Blood Elf or Druid with New Customizations ---
    World of Warcraft
    Enhance Your Blood Elf or Druid with New Customizations - WoW
    Whether you’re looking for a new hair color for you blood elf or exploring a new form of expression for your Druid, the Guardians of the Dream update has what you need.

[4:36 PM]
Check out This Week in WoW. ---
    World of Warcraft
    This Week in WoW: October 23, 2023 - WoW
    Each week we’ll look ahead to what’s in store for World of Warcraft, share the latest news, and keep you in the know byte by byte.
    Learn more all this week about the next content update—Guardians of the Dream.

[4:36 PM]
Check out Blues News. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Blues News: October 27, 2023 - WoW
    Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts and discussions.

[4:36 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: October 25, 2023 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

[4:37 PM]
Also note Halloween is Tuesday, so Hallow's End is ending in the next couple of days. If you haven't got everything you can get yet, you'll want to kick it up a notch. I've still had no luck getting the new pet to drop from the Headless Horseman.
[4:38 PM]
And since it's the end of the month, better get in your activity for the Trading Post too so you don't miss the chance for that broom mount.

Diablo 4:
[4:38 PM]
A patch is coming Tuesday. ---
    Diablo IV Patch Notes
    We will continually update this article with all patches the development team implements for Diablo IV.

Diablo Immortal:
[4:38 PM]
Blizzard put out A Statement on Cheating and Exploitation. ---
    Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All Platforms
    We will continually update this blog with all bug fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all platforms.

[4:39 PM]
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
    Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All Platforms
    We will continually update this blog with all bug fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all platforms.

Heroes of the Storm:
[4:39 PM]
A new patch is on the PTR. ---
    Heroes of the Storm PTR Patch Notes - October 23, 2023
    Our next Heroes of the Storm patch has just hit the Public Test Realm and will be available for playtesting.

Warcraft Rumble:
[4:40 PM]
See how to get Sylvanas Windrunner. ---
    Lead the Way to Victory with Sylvanas Windrunner
    Collect the new playable Leader, Sylvanas Windrunner, during Season 1 of Warcraft Rumble beginning October 28 from the Guild Warchest and through PvP as a reward.

[4:41 PM]
That's it from me.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
Thank you, Eonwe.

Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:42 PM]
The Harvestmath Festival continues until Nov 1 (last day).
[4:42 PM]
    The Lord of the Rings Online
    Guide to the Harvestmath Festival
    The final crops of the year's harvest are ripe for enjoyment, which means it is the perfect time for the Harvestmath Festival! Read more about this annual event in our guide.

[4:42 PM]
Pengolodh, you were trying to type? Go ahead.
[4:46 PM]
And guess we lost Pengolodh.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
The WOW Hardcore Tournament tomorrow will be insane, 100,000 prize.  lol oh no im still here lol

Varda — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
That's a lot of zeroes!

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
im getting distracted by the inspects of the players currently logged in. Watching Asmogold on Twitch as he checked them out! And alot of the players are stacked hard...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
How many people are participating to warrant that many prizes?

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
[4:49 PM]
1 v 1s
until there is only 1

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Good luck!

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
horde only too!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
!Buena Suerte!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
There can be only one...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
At least until the sequel.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:52 PM

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
yeah.. folk keep on saying its going to be henry cavill in the new one coming up.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
I don't know if I want it remade at this point.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
I'd rather see new original works coming out.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:54 PM

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
gonna happen! honest like.. after 5 films (4 of which most have never watched).. I find it hard to believe many folk will care enough to even want a reboot..

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
(In response to Varda's comment) That would be the biggest issue there. Quit mining the past's great works to mooch off their success and start doing something original.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Something  new comes at a risk they are not willing to take anymore

Varda — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Back to LotRO briefly:

Lord of the Rings Online gamers in kin this past week:
Landroval server:

Crickhollow server:

Treebeard server:
Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
only one in Treebeard!  representing!!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
: )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
I've seen them all, and the series. The first one, Endgame, and most of the series were fairly solid. 2 and 3 were probably closer to mindless entertainment.  The Source was just... no.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Pengolodh.. that lazy bum. lol  floating around eregion.. (may i add) completely lost, down by a random river bank.! lol

@Eonwë Valar
I've seen them all, and the series. The first one, Endgame, and most of the series were fairly solid. 2 and 3 were probably closerto mindless entertainment. The Source was just... no.
Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
the source was........... tough to watch lol Endgame had some sense to it with the TV show crossover.
[5:01 PM]
but even then lol  100% recon'd the canon from the 1st film..

Varda — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Lost? Are you looking for somewhere particular? using the M for map?

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
I was looking to enter the wonderful land of eregion, but the last time i was there, there wasnt a huge expansion lol
[5:05 PM]
so.. as i was making my way, the way i rememberd, i somehow entered cardolan

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
uh if i want to go somewhere and not get a hundred percent lost i buy a ride from a stable for a mithril coin but I guess thats cheating ^^

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
 mithril coin  ... [the forbidden art']
used by the dark wizards of old..

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
ah well .. it is pretty shiny

Lost? Are you looking for somewhere particular? using the M for map?
Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
I try to not use the Map until im directly questing for a point on the map.
i unforunately trusted my instinct

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Maps are my life. I have about 500 maps that I have collected over the years set out in my dining room awaiting labelling and sorting....

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
I know the feeling but i do know my instinct in that game and for once i do not trust it there  even though i do in reality hehe . I am not a very logical person

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Part of my effort to declutter.

@Arien  Valar
ah well .. it is pretty shiny
Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
based on my insane elfness.. i only use the stars to navigate across the land

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
But then , my justification is that  I am a woman

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
when the sun rises in middle-earth i become incredibly confused and begin to wander in all directions

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
When  I was at Naval Officer Candidate School in 1971, we had to learn how to navigate using the stars and planets only..using a sextant and hand calculations. That was pre-computer.
But it worked!

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
[5:12 PM]
I should imagine it would!
[5:13 PM]
such an art form of nagivation would only confuse folk today.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
When the electricity goes down a while, it's nice to have a fall-back.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
I think uou are right...but it was so satisfying to stand on the bridge wing and shoot three stars in order to get a fix on our location....usually right after sunset or just before dawn. The hardest part was swinging the sextant "to bring the start down to the horizon" so as to measure its altitude.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
thanks my very prepped partner in rl.. we have many backups: Generator, Solarpanels, multiple ways to make fires, more solar panels.. etc.. the list goes on! all mobile! likely survive 6 months without leaving the house lol XD

Varda — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
: )

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
and breaking all the  standard norms! i am the Guy.. this is my GF. lol she is addicted to prep YT channels
[5:19 PM]
ohh i heard about Matthew perry a little while ago:(
i was oddly enough, reading his book about 3 weeks back.
Alota issues with addiction.. but very interesting guy

Varda — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Sorry about his drowning.
[5:20 PM]
Anyway, we are past the hour, so moving to a quick bit of



[5:20 PM]
I was looking over the books for something else and noticed
the Palantiri seem referred to sometimes as [note: along with, not as] the seven stars brought to Middle-earth by the Numenoreans. The naming of them [note: the seven stars being mentioned] may have had a reference back to the meaning of this constellation:
[5:21 PM]
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
The connection to those seven stars with the Numenorean seven stars and Palantiri suddenly jumped out. [edited]
[5:21 PM]
Suppose that might be reasonable?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
The Palantir were made by Elves, but they made more than 7. There's at least an 8th in Eressea.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
yea! there was 8 as far as i remember.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Yes. I believe the complete quote (from memory) is:
[5:24 PM]
What brought they over the foundering sea?
Seven Stars and seven stones and one White Treee.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
Sandalf, that's what I was thinking of as well.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
I always thought that the Palantiri were the seven stones...

Varda — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
Aye, you are right.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
they were..

Varda — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
okie dokie, corrected. : )
What were the seven stars?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
So were the seven stars the stars on the crest of Elendil?
[5:26 PM]
The number "seven" is of great import both biblically and in literature...anyone know why?

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
yeah, over the white tree, with the crown.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
What is so special about seven?
And the Dunedain all wore a seven-rayed star on their riding cloaks...

Varda — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
I do, but it is outside the scope of this discussion.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Maybe some other time.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Let's stick to Tolken here, especially since we're on overtime. ; )
So could the seven stars be the ones earlier mentioned?

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
within the scope of tolkien.. there were 7 lords of the valar..

Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
I said it wrong to start, but it made good chat. : )
"And high in the north as a challenge to Melkor she set the crown of seven mighty stars to swing, Valacirca, the Sickle of the Valar and sign of doom."
Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
wasnt it a reference to the big dipper?!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:31 PM

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
maybe im getting that wrong

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
That was Tolkien's explanation for the Big Dipper, or the Great Bear, or the Plowshare, or whatever, within his Legendarium.
[5:34 PM]
I read a really good Fanfic once about Aragorn climbing up the Elostirion (Elendil's Tower) in Mithlond, and he was given the chance to see Eressea as Elendil had years ago.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
well ,k  our luck that our time went forward an hour
[5:36 PM]
err back

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
I cant say, they were like the inspiration for the set number of the palatari, but it was a significance number passed down cultural, at least within the numenoran people....  and to add an extra layer to this cake! the 7th ruler of numenor was also the first ever ruling Ruling queen..

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:37 PM
Fall back, spring forward.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
I prefer "Fall back into a nice, soft bed." Or in older times "Fall back into a nice big pile of hay."

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
I myself find it hard to spring into bed.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
the gavel cries: Hammer down!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
As long as you can spring into action.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
I usually (at least I used to) spring OUT of bed.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:38 PM



[5:39 PM]
Bedsprings? : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Gotta find my DVD of so I can watch it.
    Phuck Yiu
    Ernest Scared Stupid (1991) Opening Credits

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
not sure if that was intentional by tolkien, to mark the 7th ruler as a cultural shift! the constitution of course changed by the 6th king Tar Aldarion.. so his daughter could rule.. But there you have it. ;D

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Soon it'll be time for
    Top Clips
    Ernest - Oh Christmas Tree

Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
I agree that the seven stones are obviously not the seven stars. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
Considering the marital problems between him and his wife, otherwise there would've been a problem with succession.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:41 PM
a very big problem indeed!

Varda — Yesterday at 5:41 PM
The seven stars refer to something. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
Unless we find something else to pin it on, I would be inclined to point to the emblem of Elendil, which had 7 stars on it.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
I agree.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
Likely in reference to the Valacirca. They Elves didn't corner the market on using the Valacirca as a symbol. Durin's Crown, anyone?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
But if so, why would the Elendil and the Dunedain so revere the seven start?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
Same reason as the Elves; symbol of the fall of Morgoth, the triumph of Good over Evil.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
So maybe the Dwarves did too, for the same reason....they had some fixations with "seven" as well.
[5:45 PM]
Does anyone know what has happened to Ar? Are they still out of power in the Netherlands?

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Possibly because and heres a leap!! because of Elros.. and his connection with the son of feanor...   Possible this was passed down the faithful line as an old tradition..
im leaping here lol

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Well, that was because there were Seven Fathers of the Dwarves. Their connection with the Valacirca was because of the tale of Durin's awakening.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
That is as good an idea as any....

Varda — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
Arien has been trying to reach Ar-Pharazon, no luck yet.

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
possible.. elros wanted to honor them.. in his own way. so not to be forgotten!  stories told him as a child

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
I must to get to P.F. before I get some dinner at Costco...they close at 1800...I will check back in later to see if maybe Ar has gone online...I hope all is well.
[5:48 PM]
Namarie, till later!

Pengolodh — Yesterday at 5:48 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
Namarie !

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
I too must go. A couple of errands to run before I settle in to type code at 1000MPS, heh.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
there is the possibility that his pc broke down and he has to get a new one and has to get the fund for it yet
[5:50 PM]
i hope anyway its no more than that
all right Eonwe ]#
Namarie !

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:50 PM
I'm sure Varda is already typing code at 1000MPS if rl duties aren't keeping her busy, heh.
[5:51 PM]
Take care all and have fun.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:54 PM
We shall fight on (maybe with our keyboards)...
[5:55 PM]
Sabaton's Audi Murphy homage song (short warrior and incredible real life hero) over a battle including dwarves...
[5:56 PM]
    Elias Gustavsson
    Sabaton - To Hell and back - Hobbit

[5:57 PM]
The gavels declared After-meeting a bit ago and are now watching that video whilst I code. ; )
(Still don't know how I said seven stones when meaning seven stars. But it set off a nice chat!)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:18 PM
I was a lovely discussion. Since there are no real references as to exactly what the seven stars are, I will stick with my first guess that they are the seven starts on the insignia of Elendil. Sure...the Dunedeain (and the Numenoreans, at least before they began to fall) all respected the seven stars that Varda placed in the heavens...'

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:01 PM
Thinking about Fëanor's seven sons, I suddenly wondered if I recalled any passages in HoME that mentioned Fëanor having any daughters.... and immediately felt a great deal of pity for the young suitor seeking that particular hand in marriage.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:18 PM
Here's another of those "of course they did" moments related to my similar topic several weeks ago. Concerning the Palantiri:
"Doubtless they were used in the consultations between Arnor and Gondor in the year 1944 concerning the succession to the Crown. The 'messages' received in Gondor in 1973, telling of the dire straits of the Northern Kingdom, was possibly their last use until the approach of the War of the Ring." Note 1, The Palantiri, Unfinished Tales Harper Collings hardback (edited)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:36 PM
Not quite 7, but it as close as I could get in just a few minutes!]

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:43 PM
I guess Amrod and Amras were not available for the picture!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:07 PM
Two Klingons were working in a t-shirt shop. One turns to the other and says, "Today is a good day to dye." (edited)

October 30, 2023

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:16 AM
Pharazon reported back  He was wotjpit omtermet die tp rpad wprls om jos area
[10:16 AM]
he was without
[10:17 AM]
[10:17 AM]
due to roadworks in his area
[10:17 AM]
sorry for the key salad

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:17 AM
I hear it is good with olive oil and balsamic vinegar

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:18 AM
hehe i prefer it without olives
[10:18 AM]
i just don t like the taste of them
[10:19 AM]
but olive oil and balsamic sounds good

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:19 AM
Oy. But one must first soak the keys for a long time in hydrochloric acid to soften them up.

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:20 AM

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:20 AM

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:21 AM
([retemds to have an idea of chemistry angel )
[10:21 AM]
pretends ...

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:22 AM
He he. How are things in Scotland today? to shift back to my English keyboard...I keep hitting "Y' and getting "Z"

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:22 AM
[10:23 AM]
its dry and sunny today .. i hit the road barrier wirth my car this morning because i blinded myself dry  but we changed the tyre and good is
[10:24 AM]
i was a bit shocked by it though as you can imagine
[10:25 AM]
i had forgotten to take the sunglasses wit me .. my own fault

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:25 AM
Always a traumatizing experience! I am glad you are OK.

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:25 AM
getting there tou
[10:25 AM]

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:26 AM
Enjoy a nice cup of hot tea with some Mom's old recipe to make everything feel better.

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:27 AM
i had a ginger and lemon tea this morning \amd a ci[[a coffee just now
[10:27 AM]
and a cuppa ...

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:28 AM
Perfect! The sun is brightly shining here today, and the snow is gliterring...we will be back to 60 Grad F by Thursday, so this early snow will melt away...but some of the ski areas in the mountains are already open for the season!

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:28 AM
good for taking pictures

Sandalf13 — Today at 10:31 AM
Indeed. It was a beautiful day to run outside yesterday afternoon...thge sun was out, the sky was blue, and the snow was so pretty. I had a great 3 mile run...delightful.
[10:37 AM]
Heading off to a meeting! Namarie!

Arien  Valar — Today at 10:40 AM