October 22, 2023
Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe,
Pallando, Sandalf, Varda
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
World of Warcraft, Overwatch 2,
Diablo 4, Diablo
Immortal, Hearthstone, Lord
of the Rings Online
Tolkien:
Topic:
Some folks in LotRO say that Gollum's/Smeagol's people were of the
early hobbits before they differentiated into the groups. Is this
correct according to the books?
After-meeting:
A little more Tolkien chat
(non) Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by
Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games afterwards.
[Note: No report at this time. Phar was disconnected and did not
return to the meeting. We think his connection was probably hit
by a power outage from weather around storm Babet.]
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Before-meeting
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Heya.
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Aiya!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Aiya : )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Aiya
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Hey Eonwe - Heya sounds like something from Lakota Sioux. Is it?
Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Not on purpose.
[4:05 PM]
Common slang. : )
@Bounder @Guild-friend Aiya! It's time to come say hi, chat Tolkien
and gaming, and just have a good time! Valar Guild Meeting Time that
is. : )
[4:06 PM]
Be interesting if it turned out that was the originator though.
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:06 PM]
Membership:
[4:07 PM]
Begging your pardon for being a tad tardy. Grabbed my supper plate
and came up here, and the computer wasn't turned on yet. le oops.
Now we have Sandalf check out the Lakota Sioux language
dictionaries. : )
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
I attended a sweat lodge gathering with some Sioux friends back in
2014. They were trying to teach me some Lakota. A very difficult
language. They claimed it was somewhat like German in that it had
many cases...but there IS a food truck in Lincoln that sells Lakota
food and it labelled "Heya Cooking."
Varda — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
hehe
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
No...heya
he he
Varda — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
: )
Pallando-Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
Aiya
Varda — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
Now we have to ask the food truck guy!
[4:12 PM]
Pallando! Heya : )
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
When I get to Lincoln next time, I will try to locate the truck!
Aiya Pallando!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
Or maybe faster finding it online!
Any other membership news?
[4:15 PM]
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Web
, nothing new that's visible. I'm attempting to fix some of the
awful symbols of diamonds with question marks in them, and working
on making the links work. Some of the symbols that were ok in the
old links are not in our new but improved incarnation.
[4:16 PM]
Feel free to bug me with links to things that you especially want
that are not up yet! That can prioritize them in the big mess. : )
Gaming!
[4:17 PM]
o wait
[4:17 PM]
I wanted to mention back under Membership,
[4:17 PM]
thank you all for helping with the Anniversary and with just plain
making this a nice place to hang out. : )
[4:17 PM]
On to
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Gaming!
[4:17 PM]
Eonwe, would you like to try out this finely crafted gavel?
[4:18 PM]
gavel looks around worriedly and buffs its shiny, bald head.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Sure,
Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
gavel slides across the slippery table to Eonwe
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Yay!
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
That is one heck of a gavel.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Gaming:
World of Warcraft:
Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
(We have the best gavels!)
[4:21 PM]
(Just ask them.)
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
This week's bonus event: Mists of Pandaria Timewalking.
The PvP Brawl Southshore vs. Tarren Mill will be available until
Tuesday, October 24th.
Hallow's End is going through November 1st. There's new stuff so
don't miss your chance to get it. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/22548002/the-horseman-rides-hallows-end-is-nigh
World of Warcraft
The Horseman Rides: Hallow’s End is Nigh! - WoW
Prepare yourselves; the bells have tolled!
Shelter your weak, your young, and your old! Hallow’s End is here!
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
uhu i got a nice broom from him ^^
Varda — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
: )
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
Still no luck with the new pet or the velocidrake look for me.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
yet...
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
I did get the scarlet key so I can go into old Scarlet Monastary
now.
[4:24 PM]
From what it seems, you can get one from the pumpkin loot and then
you can go into the library and get another from a chest at the end
with Doan.
[4:25 PM]
Since the unlock is account-bound, however, that means you get one
for yourself and one to give a friend.
Or sell on the AH.
OR bury in your stash and forget about, heh.
[4:26 PM]
New blogs for the next content update:
Take Flight in the Emerald Dream with Dragonriding Updates ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24017021/take-flight-in-the-emerald-dream-with-dragonriding-updates
World of Warcraft
Take Flight in the Emerald Dream with
Dragonriding Updates - WoW
Dash, dive, and dart through the skies, and look
great doing it from the saddle of your favorite dragon.
[4:26 PM]
Guardians of the Dream: Grow Seeds to Saplings in New Public Events
---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24017020/guardians-of-the-dream-grow-seeds-to-saplings-in-new-public-events
World of Warcraft
Guardians of the Dream: Grow Seeds to Saplings in
New Public Events...
The Guardians of the Dream update ushers in a new
cycle of Public Events that feed into each other and challenge brave
defenders to exercise their green thumbs.
[4:26 PM]
Amirdrassil, the Dream’s Hope Raid Overview and Schedule ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24017500/amirdrassil-the-dreams-hope-raid-overview-and-schedule
World of Warcraft
Amirdrassil, the Dream’s Hope Raid Overview and
Schedule - WoW
Gather your allies and join the Dream Wardens as
they stand against the machinations of Fyrakk and his allies, the
Druids of the Flame—for fame, for glory, for the World Tree—and for
the rewards.
[4:27 PM]
Check out This Week in WoW. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24013835/this-week-in-wow-october-16-2023
World of Warcraft
This Week in WoW: October 16, 2023 - WoW
Each week we’ll look ahead to what’s in store for
World of Warcraft, share the latest news, and keep you in the know
byte by byte.
The Dream Wardens are calling champions forth to
protect the Emerald Dream and the new World Tree, Amirdrassil, and
you can take your first steps beginning the week of November 7.
[4:27 PM]
Check out Blues News. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24017023/blues-news-october-20-2023
World of Warcraft
Blues News: October 20, 2023 - WoW
Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you
join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts
and discussions.
[4:27 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23985151/hotfixes-october-20-2023
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: October 20, 2023 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight,
Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW
Classic.
[4:28 PM]
Overwatch 2:
New Director's Take is up: Looking Ahead Into Season 7 and Blizzcon.
---
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24017501/director-s-take-looking-ahead-into-season-7-and-blizzcon//
Overwatch
Director’s Take – Looking ahead into Season 7 and
BlizzCon
Game Director Aaron Keller gives his latest to
the current season 7 balance and looks ahead to Season 7 and beyond.
Diablo 4:
A couple of patches came out this week. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23964909/diablo-iv-patch-notes
Diablo IV Patch Notes
We will continually update this article with all
patches the development team implements for Diablo IV.
[4:29 PM]
Diablo Immortal:
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23826549/diablo-immortal-bug-fixes-and-patch-notes-for-all-platforms
Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All
Platforms
We will continually update this blog with all bug
fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all
platforms.
Hearthstone:
[4:29 PM]
Patch 27.6 is out. ---
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23989479/27-6-patch-notes
27.6 Patch Notes
Prepare for Hearthstone’s next expansion:
Showdown in the Badlands!
[4:29 PM]
The next expansion, Showdown in the Badlands, has been announced to
relase on November 14th. ---
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23989480/announcing-showdown-in-the-badlands-hearthstone-s-next-expansion
Announcing Showdown in the Badlands,
Hearthstone’s Next Expansion!
Saddle up for Hearthstone’s next wild west
expansion!
[4:29 PM]
That's it for gaming news from me.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
Thank you.
Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:30 PM]
Harvestmath Festival is still going. I've been having fun with it. ;
)
[4:31 PM]
Some friends and I hit the Haunted Burrow, made it fast!
Lord of the Rings Online gamers in kin this past week:
Landroval branch:
Arien
Eonwe
Fangorn
Nar
Varda
Crickhollow branch:
Eonwe
Falco
Varda
Treebeard branch:
Varda
[4:32 PM]
Any other gaming, membership, or requests or comments? : )
watches the gavel sliding around on the table as if it were an
ice rink
[4:33 PM]
grab
[4:33 PM]
Ok then!
On to
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Tolkien!
[4:33 PM]
If anyone has a topic or question or something, go ahead and
mention.
Meanwhile, while you're considering, here's a
bit of something.
[4:34 PM]
It's about hobbits!
I've heard folks say that Gollum's/Smeagol's people were of the
early hobbits before they differentiated into the groups.
The question came up because of the game Lord of the Rings Online
introducing "river hobbits".
Arien, go ahead. I see you typing.
[4:35 PM]
Arien? : )
taps keyboard Is this thing on?
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
oh i ve got actually something new from my musical friends Clamavis
de Profundis
Varda — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
Ah neat. : )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqx-d6vQbeQ
YouTube
Clamavi De Profundis
The Barrow-wight's Chant - Clamavi De Profundis
Varda — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
ohh, great for Halloween!
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Uhu
go on it was I that interrjupted you Varda
didnt want to distract
Varda — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
brrr
[4:38 PM]
That's got serious atmosphere. : ) Using JRRT's own words.
Ok, well, about those hobbits. get out of that barrow, hobbits!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
As I recall, Gandalf said something about Gollum having Stoorish
roots.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Seems like.
Even in the game, however, it mentions that the character has some
Fallohide ancestry giving greater height and likelihood of leaving
home.
I checked to see if the groups had already differentiated by
Gollum's time.
Be great to hear y'all's comments on it, like Eonwe's above.
[4:40 PM]
When did Gollum appear as Smeagol?
Periannath seems to be a way to refer to hobbits in general.
The timeline in RotK shows:
[Note: referring here to the timeline for the Third
Age, T.A.]
2463 The White Council is formed. About this time Deagol
finds the One Ring and is murdered by Smeagol.
[4:41 PM]
2470 About this time Smeagol-Gollum hides in the Misty
Mountains
[4:41 PM]
But!
Earlier in the timeline:
1050 (RotK App A timeline)
The Periannath are first mentioned in records, with the coming of
the Harfoots to Eriador.
So the Harfoots are definitely differentiated there.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:41 PM
first they were mentioned at the time of Isildur 's death so at the
end of the Second age but likely they had been around before that
since his grand mother had a great store of tales and jewellry such
as they had
[Note: Isildur's death in the RotK timeline was T.A.
2, very close indeed to the end of the Second Age. Hobbits not
mentioned in the timeline here, so need to find the reference in the
text. Likely where the hobbit archers are mentioned as having been
at the battle but not credited in the histories.]
Varda — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
c. T.A. 1150 The Fallohides enter Eriador. The Stoors
come over the Redhorn Pass and move to the Angle, or to Dunland.
[Note: c. is short for Latin circa
meaning around. It means the date is not exact.]
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
Smeagol i mean
Varda — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
So the Fallohides were also differentiated.
[4:43 PM]
And Stoors, in 1150, way before the One Ring grabbed Smeagol.
c. 1300 The Periannath migrate westward; many settle
at Bree.
(Periannath, hobbits in general.)
1356 About this time the Stoors leave the Angle, and some
return to Wilderland. (see also App Aiii which is not quite the
same.)
[4:44 PM]
But it's still the same idea on the time. Gollum's people must be
Stoors.
RotK App Aiii The North-kingdom and the Dunedain
(This is really general):
[4:45 PM]
1409 (great host came out of Angmar, Arveleg slain) or after,
but it was around the time Elrond came with help from Rivendell:
Stoors had dwelt in the Angle but fled west and south because of the
wars, the dread of Angmar, land and clime of Eriador especially in
the east became unfriendly.
Some returned to Wilderland and dwelt beside the Gladden, becoming a
riverside people of fishers. (Year not given.)
Back to the RotK timeline:
1601 Many Periannath migrate from Bree, and are granted land
beyond Baranduin by Argeleb II.
[4:46 PM]
c. 1630 They are joined by Stoors coming up from Dunland.
(skipping a bunch of stuff)
2463 The White Council is formed. About this time Deagol
finds the One Ring and is murdered by Smeagol.
2470 About this time Smeagol-Gollum hides in the Misty
Mountains.
[4:47 PM]
Soooo, to me it looks as if Gollum is a Stoor from Stoors.
Love to see where the quotes y'all mentioned are. I remember them
too, but not exactly where. /smackhead
[4:48 PM]
Anyway, to me the question seems pretty settled. It will not settle
it in World chat in LotRO of course, but heh.
I'm done, pretty much, unless someone finds their quotes or new ones
or has other comments?
[4:49 PM]
Hope Ar-Pharazon makes it back. He seems to have disconnected.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
We are coming up on the hour.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
i hope he is all right . Part of mainland europe and scotland are
battered by Babette and ensuing floods
[4:51 PM]
there might be a powercrash in his area
Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Sounds probable.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
or outage as you would say
Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
[4:52 PM]
Same thing. : )
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
Here:
Varda — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
Thanks for digging, Eonwe!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
The Fellowship of the Ring, Chapter 2: The Shadow of the Past
:
[4:56 PM]
"Long After, but still very long ago, there lived by the
banks of the Great River on the edge of Wilderland a clever-handed
and quiet-footed little people. I guess they were of hobbit-kind;
akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors, for they loved
the River, and often swam in it, or made little boats of reeds."
Varda — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
(akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors. That's
where the confusion comes in.)
[4:57 PM]
("I guess they were of hobbit-kind...")
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
I would take Gandalf's "guesses" like some other people's
"certainties", heh.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
It's that cool historical slipperiness.
heh, like Spock's guesses? ; )
Aye
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Lol, I was just about to link this for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxcalnSzIk
YouTube
Movieclips
Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home (10/10) Movie CLIP -
Not In His Nature...
Varda — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Great minds : )
[5:00 PM]
Thank you. : )
[5:01 PM]
the gavel fetches up in its slide to fall on the hammerpad
clonnnnk
the hammerpad has padding, no worries
[5:01 PM]
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After-meeting!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
It does speak to the idea of divisions like with the Elves. The
Noldor were but half of the group known first as Tatyar.
[5:03 PM]
The Hobbits of the Shire seemed pretty content to forget about alot
of their history before Shire Reckoning began.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
They tended to live in the present.
Maybe they realized they were losing history? Be a good reason to
set up their own calendar, with no one else around to handle it.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
right then Namarie to you all .. well as Runrig say
As you walk along these shores you are the history within nod
Namarie!
Varda — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Namarie!
We are the history. : ) Not wrong!
[5:09 PM]
Not all history has to be major events.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
6th Age October 22nd, 2023 : Varda combs her hair. -- hehe. I
don't expect that particular entry to find itself in the Annals :}
Varda — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Hair sparkles from the last celebration fell into the sky. Minor
constellations date from this point.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Here we go. Every now and then this one line pops into my head and
I've been trying to remember where it's from. Well here's the scene
that includes it (start at 0:54 if it doesn't):
https://youtu.be/7_jqOpDCXY0?t=54
YouTube
tallron
Munchkin Welcome The Wizard Of Oz
Varda — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
: )
[5:16 PM]
Eonwe's trumpet let out a sour note. Trees wilted on this date.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
Hehe, sounds about right :}
Varda — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
Here's hoping the storms in Phar's area are of very minor historical
note and he returns soon.
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
Ooops...I have got to go. The Munchking video brought back some
happy memories. Be back later for Ar
Ar's report.
[5:25 PM]
Namarie for now.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
Take care.
[5:33 PM]
Having trouble sleeping? Kirby recommends these comfy spots to help
get you much needed rest (Warning 1 :Spoilers for Kirby and the
Forgotten Land) (Warning 2: Don't try some of these unless, like
Kirby, you're invulnerable while sleeping.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67FYBDFrq-E
YouTube
RetroArchive
Kirby and the Forgotten Land - 150 Comfy Sleeping
Spots
Varda — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Later, Sandalf : )
[5:40 PM]
Valarites, so we all are indeed invulnerable while sleeping. ; )
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
:}
Varda — Yesterday at 7:14 PM
Need to restart the computer.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:24 PM
No worries.
Varda — Yesterday at 9:07 PM
Namarie for now : )
[Note: most recent Storm Babet news Varda found for
Scandinavia where Phar lives, and Scotland where Arien lives:
https://phys.org/news/2023-10-deadly-storm-babet-batters-scotland.html
(Oct 20)
https://phys.org/news/2023-10-storm-babet-triggers-power-northern.html
(Oct 22)
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