Valar Guild

June 18, 2023 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]

Attending (and typed): (7)

rien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe (presiding), Sandalf, Shelob (Before-meeting), Taglos (After-meeting), Varda
Meeting begins
Membership news:
    Father's Day

     World of Warcraft, Diablo 4, Hearthstone, Diablo Immortal, Overwatch 2, Lord of the Rings Online
    "Loa" by Eonwe-(Valar) is a Father's Day story sent to the Tolkien Site a bit early. Good thing since the story webmaster was away on vacation by the "correct" time.
    Topic: What dads do in Tolkien.
    (non) Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.



Eonwë Valar — 06/15/2023 8:21 PM
Anyone else notice there's apparently a chess game now available through Discord? Just to give people ideas. I believe it was Fladrif who used to play online chess? :}

June 18, 2023

Varda — Yesterday at 11:52 AM
That's cool! Have to look into that

Varda — Yesterday at 3:32 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 3:32 PM
lord of the rings online magic the gathering online?

Varda — Yesterday at 3:32 PM
Code for Universal Toolkit plus Riding Characteristics for LotRO
[3:35 PM]
Also, we're having a VIP experience event.
Phar, looks like it! But alas no.
[3:36 PM]
Riding is bound to account, so it can pass to another of your characters

Varda — Yesterday at 3:47 PM
Gavel is with Eonwe

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 3:47 PM :}
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Varda — Yesterday at 3:50 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 3:50 PM
Enjoy :}
[3:50 PM]
Happy Father's Day to Fangorn, to Eowyn's husband , and to Bilbo. :}
[3:56 PM]
@Bounders Meeting Starting Soon! :}
[3:57 PM]
I intend to start at 4 :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 3:58 PM
Ohh, I've still got 5 hours then!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 3:58 PM
Hah :} 4 my time :}
You have 2 minutes to do 5 hours' worth of work :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 3:59 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya all!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Of course real life walks in at 3:59 and 50 seconds, lol. (edited)

Shelob — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya! Just saying hi. I'm in between sleep at the moment and have every intention of making that as short as possible.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya  Sleep well!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Now I can focus on the meeting :} Sleep well Shelob.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Close all of those eyes! ::::)

Shelob — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Is there a more perfect time than that to creep in on you?
Thank you!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
    Dizi-Film Evreni
    Avengers Assemble Scene - Avengers: Endgame (4K HD)

[4:03 PM]
Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!


Everyone here say Ada.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:03 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
[4:04 PM]
Who's Ada?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Or Atto, or you may recognize Atar.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Dad. I ama an Ada.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
Missed a "d" I think. Should be "Adda". "Ado" would be "double".

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
I suspected you meant to type Arda.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
Oh no, nevermind, Ada is legit too :}

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
Most fanfiction uses "Ada," but you know how reliable that may be.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Atto is "dad". "Atar" is father.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
And Happy Ada Day to all you Adas out there!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Happy Adaday!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Atto = Quenya, Ada = Noldorin

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM close enough
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Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Which in this case would probably be Exilic Noldorin, and probably also used in Sindarin..
[4:09 PM]
Anyway, I'm telling you to say dad in Elvish, so there you go :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
Easy to translate when it's the same word inside out

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
That video is absolutely crazy...and I could catch a lot of the German, too.
[4:10 PM]
Might one say spare and minimalist?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
It works

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
So Eonwë, Phar, and Sandalf. Just we three are here.
Varda is off enjoying this fine Father's Day with family.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
The bard, the warrior and the wizard.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
We few, we happy few, we band of said the Bard.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
ada late

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:11 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
And now here's Sunny :}

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
Aiya Arien!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:11 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
now there is an idea for a new alt name ~

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:12 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
happy father s day to all dads )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Thank you!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Happy Father's Day indeed :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Happy Father's Day!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
Happy Dadgar day!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
Now that we've covered who's here, let me get serious for a moment and tell you something about Dad.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
I ran past the comp ; )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
that is me with my two closest grandkids...the children who live in Lincoln. The two year old is still a little shy. So I am not only a father, but a grandfather too. Wow. Never thought I would get here.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Congrats Sandalf.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:14 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Closest in terms of distance, that is. My two grandsons are in London, and three more grandkids are in Texas, of all places.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
We're not actually telling people yet since it's only 5 weeks or so and we want to wait until week 10 to be safe, but I figure nobody here is going to spread the word around my town...
but my brother's gonna be a dad

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:14 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Three smart grandkids for sure

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Awesome :} Congrats to your brother :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:14 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:15 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
And you will be an Uncle....oder ein Onkel?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
They've been trying for years now, but it's never gone this well for this long.
So we hope!
Uncle, "Oom" in Dutch

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
german word "Oheim" or "ohm"

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
out of mana  ;)

Varda — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Oom-Phar, we hope : )
hehe that too!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:16 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
So now back to me being serious for a moment :} Puts on serious face.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
one needs a lot of oomph to be an Oomphar.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:17 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Dad does alot of thankless work. Near the top of that list is making sure you're thanking Mom for all the stuff she does.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
[4:18 PM]
eonwe speaks

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Dad does the grueling outside work no one wants to. He lays down streets, roads, and highways. He raises houses, office buildings, and skyscrapers. He works the oil rigs. He digs trenches to lay cables for phone, internet, and electricity or pipes for water and sewage. He fixes roofs. He collects garbage. He saves people from burning buildings. He goes into combat. He works with, in, and on large, heavy machinery that if something goes wrong he could be crippled, cooked, poisoned, or killed. He does the jobs that require him to work long hours,  travel alot, to be deployed, to miss watching you grow up.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
You got that right, Bro.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
When he's lucky Dad gets to do a job he likes. Many times though, he's stuck with a grueling, soul-crushing job that he does because that's the best way to provide for his family. Either way, he likely works 60+ hours a week to do so. In his time off he takes care of the yardwork. He trims back hedges and bushes so they look nice. He trims back trees and deals with broken or dead branches so they don't crash into the house or onto the vehicles. If a fence needs fixed he's likely the one taking care of it. He mows the lawn even when it's 100+ degrees (F) in the shade. He goes out when it's freezing to chop wood for the fire so everyone else stays warm. He keeps the vehicles clean and running: oil, tires, transmission, coolant, spark plugs, brakes, brake fluid, rotors, pack wheel bearings, grease the joints, serpentine belt. If you paid attention he might've taught some of this to you.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Hey, hey, moms can do all that too!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
We're talking about dad. Mom gets praise for all she does.
[4:19 PM]
Because of his job, because he's trying to take care of you, to provide for you because he loves you, Dad's the most likely to have missed many if not all of the big firsts: first step, first words, first tooth, first birthday, first Christmas, first day of school. That's not to mention dance recitals, plays, and sports games. Still, he found time to join your imaginary tea party, teach you to play board games, to take you fishing, to take you camping, to play basketball with you, take you to the park, take you to movies, take you to dinner, to teach you to work on your car, teach you to drive, if you had some other common interests try to partake in those with you, or even try your interests simply because he wanted to spend some time with you. He taught you how to protect yourself, hoping you'd never need to.
[4:20 PM]
If something needed put together Dad's likely the one who built it. If something needed fixed and he could he's likely the one who fixed it. If something heavy needed moved he's likely the one who moved it. If something needed installed and he could he's likely the one who did that too. If you're lucky you got to help him and learn a thing or two. Bookshelves, desks, toilets, tv stands, sinks, faucets, tubs, refrigerators, couches, stoves, door knobs, attic ladders, garage doors, basketball hoops, driveways, window screens, sheds, air conditioners, ceiling fans, stereos, and not last or least grills, because exposing a chunk of raw meat to an open flame to make it something edible for himself and his family is something any Dad can enjoy.
[4:21 PM]
For all his efforts, Dad is more likely to be portrayed by society as Homer Simpson or Peter Griffin than as Liam Neeson's character from Taken, but especially you daughters know that if anyone tried to mess with you, they'd very soon find out about his "very particular set of skills."
[4:22 PM]
Dad is an unsung hero. He doesn't typically list all the things he does for you because after he's done it he's already moved on completely to the next thing that needs to be done. He doesn't do it to keep score. He doesn't do it for praise. He does it because he loves you and he loves Mom. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve praise, though he won't ask for it. Since I'm not Dad I can tell you he deserves it. So if you haven't done so already (and don't let this be just a once-a-year thing), make sure that Dad knows you appreciate all he's done (don't just say it, show him you appreciate him), because if you don't, no one else will.
[4:23 PM]
And I'll also add we should be able to praise dad without having to throw in a "moms too" just like we can praise mom without throwing in a "dads too".

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Oh, sure, but it still reads a bit weird, considering that by these standards, my sister in law is more likely to be the dad than my brother

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
These are things that dad typically does, and this isn't meant to be a conclusive or exhaustive list.
As for things like roads, construction, garbage, and all those hot, sweaty outside jobs, last I heard those are still 90+% men.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
Perhaps, but it's dropping rapidly  Oh I know what you're saying and I appreciate it, as I appreciate my dad, but it's rapidly heading towards oldfashioned

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:27 PM
I don't know about "rapidly".
[4:28 PM]
But hey, if someone else wants to stand out there on a metal beam 300 feet in the air when it's 100 degrees, have at it, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:28 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
I am as much for equality between the sexes as anyone, as a former teacher of "The history of Life" in which we spend one week on human evolution, there are still some very real biological differences between men and women. As a father of both sons and daughters, I could observe that they do often think in different ways, and have different, instinctive, preferences. While no one should ever be denied a chance to "be all they can be" based on their sex, I think one must be careful about ignoring tens of thousands of years of human evolution.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
Well, it's about finding the balance, isn't it? There's plenty of things typically male that females can do as well, and are doing, though when you truly try to equalize, work conditions need to be adaptable.
Simply because men and women are different.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
There are some things you can't "equalize". A firefighter has to be able to kick down a door and carry people out. Combat personel have to be able to exert a certain about of physical force and ability. Anyone, man or woman, who can't live up to those shouldn't have the requirements dumbed down just for them.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:33 PM
It's a bit like racism... yes, there are differences, and stereotypes exist for a reason, but individually I'll give everyone a chance to break the mold.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Equality of Opportunity. If you can meet the requirements for the job then great.
Anyway, we're talking about Dad, and all Dad does for us.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
Okay, you know what, I'll concede your Dad stuff, but I'll keep in the back of my head that women can also play the Dad role you're describing
That seems safest.
[4:36 PM]
So happy father's day to all dads, regardless!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
And Mom gets celebrated for all she does. Constantly :} Chris Rock actually has a pretty funny bit on it, but the language is too much for linking here so you can go find it yourself if you're interested :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:38 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Anyway, Thanks Dad. Hopefully you get told that more than once a year :}


[4:41 PM]
Nothing to mention, yet.


[4:43 PM]

World of Warcraft:
This week's bonus event: Mists of Pandaria Timewalking.
The PvP Brawl: Comp Stomp is going through Tuesday, June 20th.
The Winds of Sanctuary exp buff will be available until July 11th to give 50% more exp for players still leveling up in Dragonflight. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Embrace the Winds of Sanctuary - WoW
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[4:43 PM]
For Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Call of the Crusade begins June 20th. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible Raid Finder Wing 3 Now Live! - WoW
    Breach Neltharion’s secret laboratory hidden within Zaralek Cavern.
    It is here that he created the dracthyr and ultimately succumbed to the whispers of the Old Gods and their corruption.
    Learn more about the upcoming new raid arriving with the start of Dragonfight Season 2.

[4:43 PM]
Check out Blues News. ---
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    Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts and discussions.

[4:43 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: June 14, 2023 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

[4:43 PM]

Diablo 4:
Check out the first Diablo 4 campfire chat. ---
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    Our first Diablo IV Campfire Chat debuts on June 16 at 11 a.m. PDT. Sit down with members of the development team as they talk about the launch of Diablo IV and more.

[4:43 PM]

Patch 26.4.3 is out. ---
26.4.3 Patch Notes
Patch 26.4.3 includes balance changes to Standard, Wild, and Battlegrounds.

Diablo Immortal:
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
    Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All Platforms
    We will continually update this blog with all bug fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all platforms.

[4:44 PM]
Also, Steel Yourself in the Face of Destruction's Wake. ---
    Steel Yourself in the Face of Destruction’s Wake
    The Destruction’s Wake major update introduces the new Ancients’ Cradle Zone, three new limited-time events, one new skill for each Class, and much more.

[4:45 PM]

Overwatch 2:
A new Director's Take is out: Matching Up the Fun. ---
    Director’s Take – Matching up the Fun
    Aaron Keller is back with another blog that takes a look at how Overwatch 2 is bringing fun new ways to play and creating more competitive matches.

[4:45 PM]
Blizzard's also announcing a new season: Invasion.  ---
    Introducing our most exciting season yet... Overwatch 2: Invasion
    Overwatch 2's biggest playable drop yet: Story Missions, a new core PVP game mode, a new hero, and more is coming August 10.

[4:45 PM]
Check out the reveal livestream on June 21st. ---
    Join us June 21 for the Overwatch 2: Invasion Reveal Livestream
    Tune in for an in-depth look into the Overwatch 2: Invasion Story Missions, Flashpoint, and more!

[4:46 PM]
Any other gamign news?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
[Lord of the Rings Online:]
I have some LotRO news but think it's in your feed, will dig
[4:46 PM]
Landroval kin branch (main):

Crickhollow kin branch:

Treebeard legacy server kin branch:
[4:47 PM]
That was a beautiful homage to Dads, Eonwe. Thank you!
I'm done
Our movie was sold out. We'll try again later tonight. If that one's sold out, tomorrow will be the day.
[4:48 PM]
That's all from me on gaming.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:48 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
What movie did you want to see?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Guardians of the Galaxy 4
A Dad movie for our two Dads here. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:49 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
Both are very hard-working and unsung. I'm proud of Fangorn and Faramir!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
I'll watch the Simpsons Movie tonight, which I'd recorded yesterday. That seem suitably Dad.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
And of Real Floppa (grandson) who was in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, a play, in several parts. : )  For the last two days.
[4:51 PM]
: )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Congrats to all!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
In Web/Tolkien news,

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Homer Simpson. See :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Sandalf sent in his work which I hope to be putting online after returning home
[4:52 PM]
Done again. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
Chapter FOUR is next...then on to Chapter 7! Finally.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
Thanks :}

Varda — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
And thank you, Sandalf. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
Much appreciated.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
Oh, I guess I should also mentioned the story I wrote for Father's Day but sent in a few weeks ago because it was done and I didn't want to hold onto it for that long.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
I was in Lincoln two weeks ago, as you know, so I am here alone in Thornton this weekend. Doesn't seem very Fathers-day like to me, but I will try to go out for dinner tonight to celebrate.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
"Loa" ---
[4:55 PM]
Short description relevant to the day: Dad being there for his son. Takes time off from work because even in the middle of that, he noticed his son needed to talk.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
It's a good story! Enjoy reading or re-reading.
[4:56 PM]
Sandalf, you are not alone. You are with us! Yay!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
A Loa of a Tale
A Loa of a Tale is an exploration achievement earned for reading all entries of "Tales of de Loa" in Zandalar. After reading each tablet, they appear in the Hall of Chroniclers in Dazar'alor.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Heh. Slightly different Loa, but that's neat. : )
[4:57 PM]
Now you have to read all of Eonwe's tale for another Loa achievement!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Great story, Eonwe!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Heh, what Varda said.
[4:58 PM]
Thanks Sandalf.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
You have a wonderful skill in writing good conversations. Congrats!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Good lesson in it as well!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
I appreciate that.
[5:02 PM]
Ok, so now we'll go to...



[5:06 PM]
And if no one guessed yet, we're going to talk about Dads, but since this is about the things Dad does, we're not just lmiting it to biological fathers, because there are good men out there, like Bilbo and Elrond (not to get ahead of us) that also step up to that role when something happens to Dad. So let's go. Fathers: who to who, why, and how?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
Let's start with perhaps a less obvious... Theoden, taking care of his nephew and niece, treating them like his own children next to his actual son.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Sam to Rose educating a Hobbit girl to handle the Red Book, history to pass down for us all.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Thought it was Elanor?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Gloin, taking his son to a fancy dinner and meeting over in Rivendell, changing his life forever

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Elanor, yes.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Yeah, Elanor was the one who was given the Red Book. Rose was the name of his wife and of his third child/second daughter (pulled out the family tree, heh)

Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
You are right. Elanor.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
One of my books was actually nearby, lucky me :} (edited)
[5:13 PM]
Your point still stands though :} (edited)

Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Mine are only 1200 miles away, but that was no excuse for so obvious a mistake. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
We are all entitled to mistakes every now and then.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
And aye, Theoden is a great example, Phar.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Mine is a bit more often than every now and then.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Gloin is a good one too :}
[5:15 PM]
Well, as a parody of a Saiyan Prince once said, "You're either perfect or you're not me." :} (edited)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Stretching things a bit, what about Finrod finding the first men, and teaching them?  Even further, what about Thingol placing the young boy Turin on his lap, and stating in front of all the Elves present, that he would raise him in honor of his father Hurin?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
Thingol to Turin: not a stretch. Finrod to the First Men, too much of a stretch.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:16 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
Or Turgon hosting Hurin and Huor for a year while they were teenagers?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
One is actually taking him on as a son, the other not.

onwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
Thingol was even called Turin's foster-father as I recall, maybe in a commentary or in an older version of the tale. The other would be at best a pupil/mentor relationship.
[5:18 PM]
Turgon and Hurin/Huor? That might be a stretch.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
But their fathers were already dead, and they were saved from destruction only through the devices of Thorondor, and brought to Turgon for safe keeping.
[5:19 PM]
Just a thought.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Not for very long, though.
[5:19 PM]
Not like Elrond taking in Aragorn.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Very true. OK then, try this one: Maglor taking on Elros and Elrond as six-year-olds.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
I  would similarly rule out Merry/Theoden and Pippin/Denethor.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Yes, I was thinking Maglor, but didn't remember for how long that was.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:20 PM
That one I think is less of a stretch. Tell us about it :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Feanor was a great dad as well! Teaching his children to craft, to lead, to stand up for themselves, and most importantly, the importance of keeping your word and oaths.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
After the third and final kin-slaying of Elf on Elf, Maglor and Maedhros spirited away the two six-year-old twins Elros and Elrond, after Elwing had thown herself into the sea, where she was saved by Ulmo. Maedhros was sick at heart with the loss of Elured and Elurin (the sons of Dior, and brothers to ELwing) and did not want the same to happen to Elros and Elrond, but it was Maglor who took them to his heart, and taught and protected them from all harm, and raised them as children should be raised.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
lnothing wrong in those values taken by themselves but in the context of the situation and where it lead to
[5:23 PM]
it was a bit iffy

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:24 PM
I would question Feanor's worth as a father. Yes...he did teach his sons some good qualities, but his is a sticky legacy at best. If Feanor was less full of hubris, perhaps Celegorm, Caranthir, and Curufin would not have turned into such absolutely nasty dudes. Hard to believe that Maedhros and Maglor were their brothers.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
I wonder.
[5:30 PM]
Fëanor had his issues, but I should take a closer look at the timelines. I wonder if the birth of his younger sons came closer to the Unrest of the Noldor/Melkor walking around free in Aman.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
That is a wonderful insight. I wonder if Feanor's younger sons were negatively influenced by Morgoth, despite their father's rejection of him.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
It would seem to me Finwë their grandfather would've been a part of their lives, so they would've seen other examples besides Fëanor's.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
The three C's were REALLY nasty dudes...that is putting it mildly.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
there were all the whispers and rumours and kids and teenagers are wont to hear them

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
I think Fëanor at the least would've fostered a stong familial relationship. The brothers stuck together, regardless of what they might've done to anyone else.
[5:33 PM]
Which might be ironic considering Fëanor's attitude towards his (half) brother.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:34 PM
rightr  interesting as this discussion is I have to retire :/ work at eight tomorrow :?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Sei gesund and Namarie, Arien!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:35 PM

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Sleep well Arien :}

Varda — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Half an hour over. Thanks for staying long as you did!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
same to you all happy rest father day  celebrations and Namarie once  the time comes

Varda — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Namarie and have a great week!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Well, Finwe did his best as a Dad to keep his sons together, but I think Feanor wasn't too fond of his halfies.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:37 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
Did Finwe resent his son for the "death" of his first wife? I don't readily recall.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
Trying to remember some older versions, because I feel like some of them had Fëanor already fully grown and out the door by the time Finwë remarried, but the SIlmarillion seems to indicate he was at best almost fully grown. (edited)
[5:39 PM]
No he didn't. He very much loved Fëanor.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
You are 100% correct, Eonwe. I actually think that deep down inside, Finwe loved Feanor about his other sons.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
He didn't even seem to resent his Miriel, per se.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
I meant to say above his other sons. Somehow, about just came about.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
He was hurt that she basically left him.
[5:40 PM]
I got the gist, no worries :}
[5:41 PM]
To paraphrase Ron White (another comedian I can't/won't link here, heh), he found himself in quite a pickle. (edited)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
I liked to use the words "come about." A nautical term used when tacking against a headwind. When the captain shifts from one head to another, he will order his crew "ready about," and then they will respond "ready." The pilot will then shift the sails about 90 degrees to tack to the other side of the wind, and the crew will keep their heads down (another nautical term from Old Enlish) to avoid getting hit in the head by the swinging boom. So: ready about!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:45 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Keeping their heads down seems more literal, though :)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Indeed it does.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
Finwë loved Miriel. He came to her side pretty much (if not) daily, bringing Fëanor with him, hoping she would recover and rejoin him. She never did. She refused to, long after her body was healed.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
Was it Gandalf who commented that Miriel spent so much of her life-force in giving birth to Feanor, that she had none left for herself? Sort of reminds one of the story of Gilraen, giving Hope to her people and to the world,, but keeping none for herself..

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
In his loneliness he fell in love with Indis, and from there we end up with the Statute of Finwë and Miriel. Marriage was supposed to be permanent and singular with Elves, until the End of Arda. The ruling of Manwë because of that incident was that if one spouse is dead, the other can remarry if the dead spouse wishes to never return to the Living World.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:51 PM to run. Will report back in later for Ar's report. Namarie to all! Sei gesund, and enjoy the remaining weekend! Varda- enjoy your visit with your grandchildren!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:51 PM
Eventually, after it was too late, Miriel decided she wanted to be alive after all, and of course couldn't. Then Finwë did something unfathomable and when he died, chose to remain dead so that Miriel could be alive. The crazy things men do for love, heh.
[5:52 PM]
Take care Sandalf.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:52 PM
Namarie Sandalf!
[5:53 PM]
And then Miriel married Indis and the world rejoiced!
[5:54 PM]
Those are the days of our lives.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:55 PM
Anyway, We are almost a full 2 hours past the start of the meeting.

Bangs gavel
We are now in



Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:07 PM
Hmm, just flipping through the SIl, looks like much of what I'm remembering of the Finwë/Miriel/Indis situation comes from "The Statute of Finwë and Miriel" in HoME10. Remembering more detail than I'm finding in the Sil, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:08 PM
Canon until contradicted

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:08 PM
From the Sil it would seem Fëanor was all out on his own and married by the time Finwë remarried.
[6:09 PM]

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:12 PM
Right, movie time  Back later for report!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:15 PM
Have fun :}

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:56 PM
Here's a good dad movie :}
    Maybe I'll dig my disc out.
    Nester Plays
    All Fathers Care for their Sons

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:28 PM
Too true, but too sAd for me today.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:30 PM
I personally think the ups outweigh the downer moments. Brothers reconcile, brothers get dad back, another son mends his relationship with his dad. (edited)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:31 PM
I hope you are right.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:31 PM
It's an awesome movie. The sequels are middling to ok, but that first one is gold.
[7:32 PM]
Make sure if you're going to watch it, you're watching the right one, though. This came out in the 90s.
[7:36 PM]
When done right, Brotherhood is a strong theme in TMNT movies, because of course it deals with four brothers. A father imparting wisdom is also a strong component. Nevermind the father is a rat and his sons are four turtles, heh.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:39 PM
It has sad moments, of course, so if you're not going to be ready for those don't watch it right now, but there's action too.
[7:40 PM]
Dad saves the day if that helps, heh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:49 PM
Sorry...I got a call from my younger sister wishing me a happy Father's Day....had to take it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:49 PM
No worries, that's the kind of call to take today.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:50 PM
Were you able to call your Dad today?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:50 PM
They don't make phones or phone numbers where he is.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:51 PM
I am sorry. I did not mean to intrude on personal matters.
[7:52 PM]
My Father died at 99 years of age in 2014. My Mom passed away at 95 in 2018. I am glad to say that they both were alert and aware until the day they passed. One cannot ask for more than that, I suppose.
The little picture I use by my name was taken at my parents' breakfast table in their kitchen.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:52 PM
Surrounded by family, preferrably generations of children and (great- x3 or 4)grandchildren would be nice.
[7:53 PM]
One can ask for a lot, heh. What one can expect is a different story.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:55 PM
[7:56 PM]
My Father was already gone. I would drive or fly to New York every three weeks to see my Mother as soon as I could. Those were some of the best visits of my life.
[7:57 PM]
Yes. Life comes with no guarantees....probably the very best reason to enjoy every moment as it comes.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:58 PM
As best as one can, heh. Purpose at least is important.
[7:59 PM]
If you're gonna suffer, at least suffer for a goal, lol.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:59 PM
Very true, Eonwe. You are a man of wisdom.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:01 PM
I know what I know, and I have a good idea of some of what I don't. Guess that's about as wise as anyone can be :}

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:01 PM
You betcha, Digger!
[8:02 PM]
The wise man knows how much he does not know.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:03 PM
Or at least that there are things he doesn't know, and he's willing to examine evidence and change his mind when warranted.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:04 PM
That is the basis of the scientific method.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:06 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:06 PM
As I typed up the above reply, I glanced over at my bookshelf right by my desk, where to this day I keep my copy of "The Nature or the Natural Sciences." To fill some ccredit hours my Senior year at Lafayette, I took a course ib Philosophy. One of the best course I have ever had the pleasure to enjoy throughout my entire undergrad and post-grad career.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:08 PM
I still have an Intro to Philosphy book around here somewhere. Probably forgot most of that class, not to say it wasn't interesting when I took it. I've forgotten more interesting classes too, heh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:09 PM
Don't we all.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:09 PM
I'm going to need another drink.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:09 PM
Aiya Taglos!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:11 PM
I only ever took one class that was a complete waste of time, because the only thing I learned from that class was literally that it was a complete waste of time.
Greetings Taglos.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:11 PM
Hey hey

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:12 PM
It is a pleasure to meet you, Taglos! I do not believe that I hae run into on Discord before.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:13 PM
You have not, that's the first thing I've typed since Osse invited me a week or so ago.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
Welcome, then!

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
I was a Guild member a long time ago

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
Your name brings back really old memories, and I'm rather curious if you're connected to them or if you're someone entirely new.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:14 PM
Welcome back, then, I should say. You predate me.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:16 PM
That depends Eonwe, Taglos/Aule
Thank you Sandalf, good to be here
Still can't type on this new keyboard 

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:17 PM
You happen to remember the old bnet days, a little chatbot we had going?

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:17 PM
Yeah, playing D1 most of the time.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:19 PM
Well it's been many a year since we last spoke then. I hope you've been well.
[8:21 PM]
Many a year might be an understatement, now that I start thinking about it, heh.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:21 PM
Yeah it's been a minute.  I played Everquest with Ulmo for awhile and kept in touch with Varda for a bit,  but its been a few years.
[8:22 PM]
I was looking at some of the member names wondering if anyone was the same.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:24 PM
Varda and Fangorn obviously, Irmo depends. Me I suppose it depends on which Eonwë you still remember.
[8:25 PM]
Think everyone else with the possible exception of Phar might be too new.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:27 PM
When did you take on the mantle of Eonwe?  were you someone else prior?  I know we used o change names upon rank change.  Vala/Maia etc.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:28 PM
You were still around when I became Eonwë, so you might still remember me as that, but if you don't you might recognize Valacirca or Aragorn.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:29 PM
I know Osse is still Osse, I've also known him since I was 5 hehe

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:29 PM
[8:31 PM]
No hard feelings if you don't recognize me at all, it's been that long, but I've been here for 24 years in November, heh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:31 PM
Wow. Almost as old as I am, he he.4

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:34 PM
That's the tricky thing.  I remember you, just uh there's a lack of details   Varda I remember more about.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:35 PM
If it helps, I'm also the only Vala Eonwë. The previous Eonwë was a Maia.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:36 PM
I still have the bio files some people filled out, not sure why but yeah lol

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:36 PM
What's the last website URL you remember? Hehe.
[8:37 PM]
For the guild, of course, lol.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:37 PM
I updated to the new one and registered
[8:38 PM]
However the old link I had didn't work, so one sec\
[8:41 PM]
Guess because it didnt load, it didnt create a hstory entry

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:42 PM
Aiya! Aule, is it?
I'm not sure if I've met you before, though I do go back to Warcraft 3 / days.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:42 PM
It is indeed.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:43 PM
You may have met the previous Pharazon, though, before me.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:43 PM
I would have active in the early 2000s, though tyhye exact year escapes me

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:44 PM
The real question is does Aulë remember the name of the chatbot we had? :} Lol.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:44 PM
and my typing escapes me too
[8:45 PM]
Oh boy that's going to take a minute

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:48 PM
In the meantime, I'll start my weekly Personal Gaming Report

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 8:48 PM
I will leave you old friends to your reminisces. Ooops...I will hang on a bit longer to read Ar's report. I just wish I was a gamer so that I could advance in the Guild.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:49 PM
Ive been sticking it to Diable, like the good ole days
[8:50 PM]

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:50 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:50 PM
For (non)flashgaming, here's for this week! A puzzle game where you have to untie a bunch of rhombuses in the right order to not get have them blocked by each other.
    Untie a knot of rhombuses.

[8:51 PM]
New features further in the game, such as switches that require alternating.

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:51 PM
I remember there being a chat bot, but you could give me a week and I wouldn't remember.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:52 PM
So, a lot of planning needed, or just trial and error
[8:53 PM]
Blizzard Gaming:
Well, let's start with Diablo 4 then

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:53 PM
I remember you could ask it when someone had been last seen and what not.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:55 PM
It's been quite a while, no worries. Just curious, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
Got my bear druid from level 13 to 26 (double? just coincidence), and set up quite a nice ability combo. Mostly bear abilities, including the Ultimate, Dire Werebear. No longer need the wolf healing ability since I'm getting passive regen from other things now, but I did add the wolf companion ability, so now I've got 2 wolves accompanying me

Taglos — Yesterday at 8:56 PM
We used it to keep channel control on Bnet right?  Since first to enter had the gavel?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:56 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:57 PM
Also unlocked Spirit Boons, the special druid feature, where you collect offerings to unlock boons from 4 different spirits, and you can choose a boon from each spirit as permanent passive. Once you've unlocked all 16 boons you also get to use a fifth boon. Only a few more offerings remain! One of the boons I've got equipped is a 3% heal every time I crit which is pretty useful.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 8:57 PM
Had to protect our Buddies from unscrupulous people :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:59 PM
Druid's been doing so many side quests that, while still only in act 1, he's a bit overleveled for this zone. Not that you can outlevel the enemies, but at this rate completing the campaign is going way too slowly  So I decided to stop doing side quests, focusing on continuing the main quest instead, as I've chased Lilith into the mines, and then collected a blessing needed from Prava and Inarius himself. Hopefully the end of Act 1 will soon be in sight! I did unlock renown rank 2, though.
[9:02 PM]
Hearthstone: Rank 93 now on the reward track. If I don't get 100 in the next week, then it'll be the week after!
[9:03 PM]
Brawl is the same brawl as last week, Dark Wanderer/Diablo. While last week I built one efficient deck that got him down in one go several times, this time around I made some custom silly decks to complete quests I got along the way, even if it meant that, using the permanent progress of this brawl, I had to take about half a dozen tries to bring him down. So it's not very efficient
Kinda fun though!
[9:05 PM]
Raiding continues! Fifth raidboss down on heroic difficulty. Quite a gear check on a tight timer, since you can only reset the boss's energy twice, giving you 3 boss cycles to bring him down. But we did get it, so that bodes well
[9:06 PM]
4 bosses to go!

Treasure goblin event has now ended, though a new D4 event is going, giving increased experience and reputation for about a month. The experience should help out with the horde alts I'm making
[9:07 PM]
Got no new 36-slot bag for the warrior, nor the last Wirt's Leg, which I ended up buying from the AH instead afterward.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:08 PM
Don't think I can stand to spend enough time on alts in WoW to make a difference, heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:08 PM
I don't play them very often, but Project Horde's still ongoing since we got cross-faction guild feature, and I just like getting them to level 10 so I can mog them and link them

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:08 PM
At this point I do enough to check the Trading Post boxes and that's it. Not enough exciting for me to do otherwise.
[9:09 PM]
Maybe a world boss and/or a suffusion camp.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:09 PM
Well, that's my next point  I completed the 1000 tender for the Trading Post this week
[9:10 PM]
That got me Quawks the parrot mount as the 1000 reward, and the Cindermane Charger mount for the currency  Got the wasp mount frozen, we'll see what next month brings so I know whether I'll buy it then.
Quite wanted the horsy for my fire mage

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:10 PM
I'd probably be running my Dunadan if D2 didn't look so horribly small on my screen.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:10 PM
Heh. Tried D4?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:11 PM
Nope, not terribly interested.
Not saying I won't ever get it, but it's not on my list.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:11 PM
Anyway, weekly is pandaria timewalks, where I got a new necklace for feral spec. Oh, and I got some new raid items as well, including a new heroic weapon.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
I suppose I could say "Not terrorbly interested" but the pun relies on you knowing Diablo was the Lord of Terror :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
And I got enough draenic seeds to buy my next farm implement transmog, the Garden Pitchfork  2000 seeds worth of items to go!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
Congrats :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:12 PM
[9:12 PM]
Finally, alting!
[9:14 PM]
With the firemage, continued into Ardenweald. I did the dream quests surrounding Ysera, getting into her dreams and dispelling nightmares, before reliving her death from her perspective. Fun to see my hero have a cameo during that dream, even though I'm pretty sure she never actually faced Ysera as she didn't quest in Val'sharah
[9:15 PM]
After that I did a few more quests preparing for the attack on Hibernal Hollow, and am now at the edge of the big battle quest to defend the place.
[9:16 PM]
The new orc warlock, however, continued questing in Durotar, getting from level 6 to level 9. She completed the Valley of Trials as well as the quests around Sen'jin Village. Next time she should reach level 10 in Razor Hill, and then it's time for the next alt, blood elf paladin. Might be cliche, but I have a special theme for her in mind
[9:18 PM]
And that's my report for the week! I'll leave you to catch up some more

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:19 PM
Sleep well Phar.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:19 PM
Thanks, you too

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:21 PM
[9:22 PM]
I do remember both Ar Pharazons, Im almost certain the first is now Osse

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:22 PM
I might be the third then. I recall a story about a Pharazon before me who wasn't all that nice.
[9:23 PM]
Right, I'm sure other people will know more about that. Goodnight

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:23 PM
Yeah, Ossë was Ossë before this Phar came in, so there was at least one Phar in between.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:25 PM
Gotcha, I remember some bad apples but dont ask me any names

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:25 PM
[9:26 PM]
So I also shouldn't ask questions like "Where were you on the 39th of February?" lol.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:27 PM
Which year?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:27 PM
The one where February has 39 days of course :}

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:27 PM
Ah good ole 2072

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:28 PM
The earth's rotation sped up so fast, we added 11 leap-days to compensate. What a year.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:29 PM
I still don't know why they didn't spread them out

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:30 PM
All the other months refused to take these poor days in, but there was plenty of room in February.
We couldn't just leave them monthless. What are we, Elves? Hobbits?

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:30 PM
[9:31 PM]
Dwarves man, its all about those short bearded guys.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:32 PM
Peter Jackson?

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:34 PM
Is that why he made The Hobbit into 3 movies?  Dwarven fetish?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:34 PM
I choose not to comment.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:35 PM
As Aule I need to root for them, but Peter..l seek help

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:36 PM
There were some good things about The Hobbit Trilogy.... and alot of bad things. Especially the extended editions.
[9:37 PM]
Rankin-Bass still made the definitive version to me.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:38 PM
I rewatched them recently, they're fine.  Two movies may have been better.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:39 PM
They did feel stretched, but I didn't need Dwarves bathing in an Elf fountain.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:39 PM
Its been so long since Ive actually read any of the books.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:40 PM
I also didn't need those things the Master of Laketown was eating. I watched the commentary, and he admits he basically pushed it on both of those.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:40 PM
Yeah, they could have cut that, and about 2 and a half more hours

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:41 PM
The additional Angmar/ White Council stuff wasn't bad.
The implied love story between Gandalf and Galadriel was too much.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:42 PM
I remember people freaking about Tauriel, she was fine.
I didn't say they were perfect, I said they were fine

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:42 PM
The problem with her was she wasn't in the book. The problem with the movies is alot of stuff that wasn't in the book, heh.
[9:43 PM]
As you said, two movies would've sufficed. Could've excised alot of stuff people hated and still had 2 solid movies, maybe a little longer than normal.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:43 PM
Yeah, and that it was a female, females are bad!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:44 PM
No, otherwise people would've hated Eowyn and Galadriel.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:45 PM
They were in the books though
People hated Arwens expanded role

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:45 PM
I didn't like Arwen's use at the Fords in FotR because it wasn't her in the books that was there, and it wasn't her characterizaion that we had.
And her "come and claim him" just felt cheesy at best.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:46 PM
I dont disagree.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:46 PM
I say this while knowing everything Tolkien says in Laws and Customs of the Eldar.
[9:47 PM]
Arwen didn't fit there. Tauriel, meh. Her problem was she was a made up character in a made up romance. And of course by "made up" I mean "not in the book".

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:47 PM
They needed a bigger part for Liv Tyler of all people.  Nothing against her, but shes not a super big A lister.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:48 PM
I don't particularly care she (Tauriel) was chopping orc-heads off or whatever.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:48 PM
I liked the pairing with Legolas\
[9:49 PM]
Not so much the love story

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:49 PM
Sorry, afk for a minute.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:50 PM
No worries

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:56 PM
Namarie all, once again. I must away, ere break of day! Paddock calls, anon, and all that.

Taglos — Yesterday at 9:57 PM
Night Sandalf

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:02 PM
Sleep well Sandalf.
The romance I'm talking about is with... Kili I think it was.

Taglos — Yesterday at 10:02 PM
Sounds right

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:04 PM
With Legolas it might've been interesting. With Kili it felt like a bad reason to deliver terrible one-liners and get her to go to Laketown. (edited)

Taglos — Yesterday at 10:04 PM
Yeah, I thought the action pairing with Legolas was good.
[10:05 PM]
The romantic pairing, blah
They have to add romance to everything
[10:06 PM]
I blame James Cameron

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:06 PM

Taglos — Yesterday at 10:06 PM
Just let the boat sink...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:07 PM

Taglos — Yesterday at 10:24 PM
That's it for me.  Nice chatting with you Eonwe.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:25 PM
Take care Aulë.

Taglos — Yesterday at 10:26 PM
You as well fancy accent man

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 10:26 PM
[10:29 PM]
Oh, gotta share this on Father's Day too. This is just so hilarious and wholesome at the same time:
    Darth Apovl
    My favorite running joke in HISHE