July 23, 2023 Sunday
Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Sandalf, Shelob, Varda
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
Lord of the Rings Online,
World of
Warcraft, Overwatch
2, Diablo 4,
Diablo
Immortal, Hearthstone
Tolkien:
Topic: elven hair-length
Topic: Rohirric
hair-length and eye-sight
Topic: Were notes from the
Silmarillion re-used in the Hobbit and LotR or were they the
repeats normally found in history as shown on purpose by JRRT?
Topic (by Arien in After-meeting):
Can a fea be bound to an item , let us say a ring for example, by
dark magic?
After-meeting:
(non)
Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard
games afterwards.
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Before-meeting
Varda — Yesterday at 3:59 PM
Aiya
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
@Guild-friend @Bounder Huzzah! The Valar Guild is happy to be
hosting the Sunday chat on gaming and on Tolkien! Come on to
meeting_place, lurk, say hi to old friends, chat gaming and Tolkien!
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:02 PM]
Membership:
[4:02 PM]
Sandalf is trying to type so I'll hush a second. : )
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya all!!! I am here, but I must run. One of my oldest friends, who
has been a friend for over 60 years (middle school years) is
visiting from Fredericksburg, Virginia. He took the train from
Washington, D.C., to Chicago, through Lincoln, on to Denver. we took
a 30 mile bike ride earlier today, and just got back. We took the
South Platte River Trail from downtown Denver to Littleton...15
miles each wa6=y. At the end of the ride, we waded out into thge
Platte to cool off. Absolutely wonderful. We are off to Planet
Fitness to stretch out and shower...I will check in later! Sei
gesund, and Namarie for now!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-CYfqjWGWI
YouTube
CrazyAboutTV
Howdy Doody Theme Song Intro
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Namarie! Enjoy And say for us!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Take care Sandalf.
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Thanks! It got up to a very dry 102 Grad F today....still around
99...but dry as a bone. Need lots of water to hydrate.
Will do!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Sounds great, Sandalf! Have fun : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
*say hi for us
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Thanks! See you all a little bit later!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
: )
[4:06 PM]
Any other membership news anyone would like to pass along?
[4:07 PM]
Hummingbirds have been after the feeder pretty hard. Fun to see
through the picture window.
[4:08 PM]
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Web:
Nothing to report, except that DeepGroover is working on a Frodo
model. : )
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Gaming:
[4:09 PM]
the gavel makes a long slide across the table's waxed surface, to
reach Eonwe
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
A model of our cat, eh...
Varda — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
Must be what he's working on!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
Lord of the Rings Online:
The Treasure Bugan Event is going. ---
https://www.lotro.com/update-notes/lotro-update-36-1-release-notes-en
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 36.1 Release Notes
Here are the release notes for Update 36.1,
released on Wednesday, July 12th, 2023.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
At least it's not Thor and Loki, black cats of Eowyn's. : )
And yes, Thor is bigger and more muscular.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
And Loki's a sneaky trickster?
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
World of Warcraft:
This week's bonus event: Dragonflight Dungeons.
The PvP Brawl: Temple of Hotmogu is going through Tuesday, July
24th.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
He's a cat, so yes. : )
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
The Auction House Dance Party is going on today. --
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23823433/micro-holiday-the-auction-house-dance-party-is-here
World of Warcraft
Micro-Holiday: The Auction House Dance Party is
Here - WoW
Take your dance groove to a whole new level
during the Auction House Dance Party on July 22!
[4:12 PM]
Check out This Week in WoW. --
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23982124/this-week-in-wow-july-17-2023
World of Warcraft
This Week in WoW: July 17, 2023 - WoW
Each week we’ll look ahead to what’s in store for
World of Warcraft, share the latest news, and keep you in the know
byte by byte.
This week we look ahead to The Great Push
starting on Friday, July 21, and running through July 23, as well as
the second wave of BlizzCon 2023 ticket sales on Saturday, July 22
at 10:00 am PDT.
Check out Blues News. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23984675/blues-news-july-21-2023
World of Warcraft
Blues News: July 21, 2023 - WoW
Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you
join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts
and discussions.
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23973739/hotfixes-july-20-2023
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: July 20, 2023 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight,
Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW
Classic.
Overwatch 2:
Overwatch 2 is going to be available on Steam starting August 10th.
---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23982127/overwatch-2-coming-to-steam-on-august-10
Overwatch 2 coming to Steam on August 10!
The Overwatch 2 Steam page is live now and is
available to wishlist.
[4:13 PM]
Diablo 4:
A new patch is out. Check out the patch notes. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23964909/diablo-iv-patch-notes
Diablo IV Patch Notes
We will continually update this article with all patches the
development team implements for Diablo IV.
Also out: A new short story called "Sanctum of Bone". ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23972666/diablo-iv-short-story-sanctum-of-bone-by-carly-anne-west
Diablo IV Short Story: “Sanctum of Bone” by Carly
Anne West
Join Tejal, a scribe of the sacred Hedaji, as she
recounts a tale from Sanctuary in a new short story set during the
events of Diablo IV.
Diablo Immortal:
Check out the latest bug fixes. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23826549/diablo-immortal-bug-fixes-and-patch-notes-for-all-platforms
Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All
Platforms
We will continually update this blog with all bug
fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all
platforms.
[4:14 PM]
Hearthstone:
The next Expansion, Titans, is coming August 1st. Check out some
Pre-release activities. ---
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23973120/titans-theorycrafting-and-pre-release-activities
TITANS Theorycrafting and Pre-Release Activities
Watch as your favorite creators are among the
first to call upon the power of the Titans!
[4:15 PM]
That's it for gaming news from me.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Thank you, Eonwe. : )
A little more on LotRO:
Landroval:
Eonwe
Fangorn
Nar
Pengolodh
Varda
Crickhollow:
Arien
Eonwe
Falco
Varda
Treebeard:
Varda
[4:16 PM]
StarCraft 2:
Fangorn, Eowyn, Faramir, and Real Floppa. I saw some others on too,
so feel free to pipe up!
Any other general gaming news?
[4:17 PM]
Fangorn and I have been doing a little crafting stuff, about to go
back into Delvings and the missions at Steepset. [Note: LotRO]
Any other news of any kind before we switch?
[4:19 PM]
Then on to
Tolkien!
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Ariengar bought a new house btw [Note: LotRO]
a small one but nice
Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Arien, which server?
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Crickhollow
Varda — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Cool : )
Which area?
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Falathorn
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Grats Don't take as long to unpack as Sandalf
Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
hehe
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
the elf area 5 Haven Way
Varda — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Elven area, lovely spot.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
Amon - i - ghuil is the neighbourhood
[4:21 PM]
just with view on the little lake and with access to the boatmorring
thing
Varda — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
Nice. The one with the gazebo?
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
there is a bridge and a little pavillion
top
Tolkien:
Varda — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Anyway, last meeting on a side chat, Eonwe and I were chatting about
what we actually know about Elven hair length.
Ahh, Arien. On Landroval, I made a free to play account just to keep
that little house. Great view and fishing.
[4:25 PM]
Since RoP and others are so big on short-haired elves, we took a
look.
[Note: more
elf hair-length]
Whilst taking a
look, I tangented on spotting proof of Rohirrim hair and eyes too.
[4:26 PM]
Interestingly similar to Elven, but they have shorter lives than
Numenorean-descent Gondorians.
So maybe they're just blond humans like the Scandinavians. : )
Anyway,
On the Rohirrim:
[4:27 PM]
The Two Towers, "The Uruk-Hai":
Quote:
The sunset gilded their spears and helmets and glinted
in their pale flowing hair.
End quote
[4:27 PM]
Then later in the same chapter, Ugluk comments:
"But these Whiteskins have better night-eyes than most
Men from all I've heard; and don't forget their horses! They can
see the night-breeze or so it's said."
End quote.
[4:29 PM]
So there's some question whether that night-sight is just the
horses, but Ugluk is likely right that the Rohirrim see well at
night. They live outside so much on horseback, that they probably
developed great distance sight and need to see well without house
lights.
I wonder if they might be a tad far-sighted, one reason they might
not all be as bookish as they might be. ; )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
oh there are Rohirim scholars honestly
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
(sorry for not responding, was fighting a Stronghold-boss in D4)
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
at least in the game
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
Every civilization's got scholars
Of a kind, anyway.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
but i bet there would be historians i d think since there were bards
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Maybe the Rohirrim scholars have reading glasses
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
and bards usually have a streak of history research
Varda — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Good points. : )
[4:33 PM]
Here's another thought. Did it seem
as if some things from the Sil were reworked to put in the LotR and
H, as JRRT had been told the Sil was a no-go for publishing?
[4:34 PM]
Or it could be the old "history tends to repeat itself somewhat".
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Hmm. When did he scale up balrogs?
Varda — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Balrogs became only seven, much scarier. That was well after the
early Gondolin stories.
So the Balrog of Moria was a survivor of the seven.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
Indeed.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at
4:35 PM
I'd come across this: https://middle-earth-mythopoeia.tumblr.com/post/692679858407587840/tolkien-and-long-hair-what-do-the-books-say-any.
Led me to some flipping through HoME and running into some other
things. "Long hair" is of course going to be relative, as "too long"
is not going to be conducive to fighting.
Tumblr
Home is behind, the world ahead
Home is behind, the world ahead
Tolkien and long hair: what do the books say?
Any time Tolkien describes the length of Elves’
hair, it’s always said to be long:
- Glorfindel: ‘His golden hair flowed shimmering
in the wind of his...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
But I wonder if that was done for LotR, or earlier.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
But not the very short hair on RoP
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
I don't remember how short it gets on that.
[4:37 PM]
Probably not down to an inch or two though, no.
Considering they'd be working with scissors, there's probably a "too
short" too.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
https://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Rings-of-Power-Silvan-Elves-Arondir.jpg
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
Yes, that seems unlikely.
[4:39 PM]
Almost like it's burned off.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Elrond comparison:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.OfnS2SvvXO5-Sk0OhzcpegAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=570046ffa3e5dbab6cf43885cd5c09fca405b79a88ea9ceb5a6e387df1d4c0fd&ipo=images
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Ok I'm going to say no on that. [Note: Arondir image]. Elves are
meticilous I'm sure, but I don't think anyone is going to want to
spend that long with a pair of scissors to get it like that.
[4:40 PM]
Based on that picture, I wouldn't say Elrond's it out of the realm
of possibility.
[4:41 PM]
I tend to think of Roman soldiers, who are supposed to have kept
their hair short.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_hairstyles
Roman hairstyles
Hairstyle fashion in Rome was ever changing, and
particularly in the Roman Imperial Period there were a number of
different ways to style hair.
As with clothes, there were several hairstyles
that were limited to certain people in ancient society.
Styles are so distinctive they allow scholars
today to create a chronology of Roman portraiture and ...
Shelob — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Aloha!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Aiya!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Not saying that all Elves had it that short, but I also consider the
elves were hear about are royalty.
Shelob — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
I mean. Aiya!
Varda — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Aiya Shelob : )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
aiya Shelob :)
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
And by today's standards (say, the last 70 or so years),
shoulder-length would be "long". Could well be shoulder-length would
be "short" or "average" for Elven men.
[4:47 PM]
Mention is made of Galadriel having to tie her hair up in some
fashion when she joined in the athletic events. No mention of men
having to do the same, so that could be taken as some indication in
a difference at least in maintained hair length between Elven women
and Elven men.
[4:48 PM]
And I buried my books again, heh.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Maybe you need a shelf or a stacking spot near the comp? : )
Maybe the male elves already had their hair tied back, such as
warrior braids?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
Could be, that the women otherwise did not need to tie their hair
up, while for men it was the default.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:54
PM
What about interestingly similar events across the histories into
the LotR? Suppose they are the repeating waves in history in
general?
Thranduil is living in caves. He's not the first one to put his core
kingdom in such a place.
How about Doriath, for instance?
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
One of the Noldorin princes, I can't remember which now, apparently
had "gold plaited in his braided hair" or something like that
(struggling to find the reference) so different hair styles
including braids is a possibility.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
I wanna say Fingon?
Educated guess.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Aye, Thranduil got the idea of his dwelling in caves from Menegroth.
Varda — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Over such a long time, elves would surely try out different
fashions, if only for changing practicality in new situations.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Hmm, long-lived they may be, but surely fashion trends still come
and go over the millennia.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
We have reached the hour (but can still chat all we like!).
[5:01 PM]
the gavel comes sputtering up out of an inkwell
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Perhaps fashion comes in waves through history as well
Varda — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
that was no cave!
the hammerpad gently bonks it over the head
top
After-meeting!
[5:01 PM]
One way fashion changes is when a new generation comes up.
[5:02 PM]
Another is when lifestyles change.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
or topic changes
errr alas
Varda — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Arien has a good one.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at
5:06 PM
can a fea be bound to an item , let us say a ring for example , by
dark magic?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
I can't imagine who would ever write such a story
Varda — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
We have examples, as in the One Ring, where a part of the power and
malice of Sauron is poured into the One Ring. Not his whole self,
though.
Sauron and Morgoth put part of their own power into their minions
too, to strengthen them.
[5:09 PM]
Morgoth put part of his power into Arda, so that even after he was
pushed through the Doors of Night, his influence continued as evil
infecting those on the planet.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
I don't know if the Ainur had fea similar to the Children. They
seemed to be able to spread their essence and power around more
easily, at least.
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
But were Sauron and Morgoth diminished much beyond being limited in
what forms they could take?
Varda — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
It did lessen their power, aye
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:10 PM
In an attempt to forego the normal fate of that fëa? I'm trying to
think of any examples. The Nazgul technically never died. They
experienced Elvish fading forced upon them by their rings. I'm not
sure they should count since it was the whole person affected, not
just the fëa being bound.
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Aule and Yavanna poured their power into their creations, especially
Yavanna with her trees and later with the Ents, as a means to
protect her precious creations from Aule's Dwarves, but it did not
seem to diminish either.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
That did not seem to be the same thing.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
i know that an unhoused fea can look for a new house , a new body ,
and take posession of it but i wasnt sure whether that can be
happening to a trinket or a ring as well
Varda — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Making a clay pot does not take away your life force.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Sauron was so much weakened without the Ring that it took him an
entire age of the Sun to re-manifest, and when it was destroyed he'd
lost so much power he couldn't hope of doing so again. His problem,
though, as with Morgoth was a problem with the nature of evil: he
reached a point where couldn't move on from his evil, even long
enough to heal. Morgoth had greater power so he hadn't sunk quite so
low, which is why he will be able to return at The End (though
perhaps only "healed enough" and not completely recovered).
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
No, but Aule shaped the Dwarves from 'living' rock if memory serves,
and Yavanna created the Ents from trees. That is not so much
different than Morgoth creating his minions from other living
things, aside from the fact that it was an evil act.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Aule and Yavanna's creations were given life by Eru, however.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Aye.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Morgoth had to divide a part of himself.
Eru used the Flame Imperishable, a part of himself, like using a
match to light a fire.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Morgoth put a portion of his own Being into his creations. Aulë did
not do this because that was not what he desired.
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Well, that's not entirely true, because the Dwarves, although not
meant to be alive, had a will of themselves, shying away from Aule's
hammer, which is why He took pity upon them.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Aulë realized his mistake, depending on the story even before Eru
started scolding him.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Wasn't it implied that Eru had given life to them already when Aule
swung the hammer/
?
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
In the SIl, yes.
[5:16 PM]
They shrunk away. If they were merely an extension of Aulë they
would not have.
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
I don't remember Eru giving them life though.
Not until after he pitied them and gave them true life.
[5:17 PM]
Nor do I remember Eru having a hand in Yavanna's creation of the
Ents, but then again, memory isn't what it used to be.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Manwë reminds Yavanna of a portion of the Music that included the
Eagles and the Ents.
That's the short version.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:21 PM
"Then Aule took up a great hammer to smite the Dwarves;
and he wept. But Iluvatar had compassion upon Aule and his desire,
because of his humility; and the Dwarves shrank from the hammer
and were afraid, and they bowed down their heads and begged for
mercy.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
hammer, compassion, life/free will in that order
Eru can act fast
Varda — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
"And the voice of Illuvatar said to Aule: "Thy offer I
accepted even as it was made. Dost thou not see that these things
now have a life of their own and speak with their own voices? ..."
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Ah, it's more implied than actually said. That's why I was confused.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
"But dost thou not now remember, Kementari, that thy
thought sang not always alone?" Says something perhaps about
Yavanna's thought if she doesn't consider the times where others
were singing with her, but she can be like "While you were off
making clouds and rain with Ulmo I was sitting there singing about
trees to make use of it all."
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:26 PM
ha .. being practical
[5:27 PM]
I like Yavanna .. very woman like
Varda — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
: )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
" i make sure you spend your power for something useful"Q
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
"Yes, yes, very nice, very pretty what you made... but is it
actually good for something?"
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
The woman who hassles her husband for not revealing every detail of
his plans and then gloats when she gets what she wants. I prefer the
one who rejects the Dark Lord while he still looks shiny and then
doesn't throw it in her man's face, but that's me, hehe.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Why, thank you. ; )
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
thanks for the compliment ~ thats what i did according to one
version of the story anyway giggles
Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
There you go!
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Except the part about Arien rejecting the man who loved her, heh.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
he got something better to do yes nods
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
But Varda dodged a bullet there with Melkor anyway. I can't imagine
her fate would've been too good stuck in Utumno, even if Melkor was
everything he should be to her, I don't think the Valië of Light
would do well confined to living underground.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
Rejected him long ago. : )
Question: Do any of you use e-books?
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
I don't, no.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
Do you know if some types are searchable?
I'm considering buying the H and LotR over time that way if they can
be searched like a web page, sort of.
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think one can look at
Aulë's and Yavanna's relationship, and see why Dwarves and Ents
struggle so much to maintain anything resembling a population.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:34 PM
hehe
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:34 PM
See my corrected "I don't, no" statement. I would know if I were
using e-books, of course, heh.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Varda underground... isn't that how we'd get stuff like the
glittering caves?
Stars in the wall?
Varda — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
Sounds right
But
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
I can see her brightening Utumno up a bit.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
our Lady of the Sun and even the Lord of the Moon go underground
nightly.
[5:36 PM]
They may have left bits of brightness, maybe on purpose?
Fan fic time! ; )
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
But the Stars always burn, even if the Sun Lady is a tiny bit
brighter than them.
Varda — Yesterday at 5:37 PM
Closer at least. A star is a sun at a distance.
[5:38 PM]
The sun walking through caverns beneath the creation!
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
But Tolkien did not make that particular distinction, did he?
Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
In later writings, he was struggling to bring the story and rl
closer together, but at first, the stars were sailing ships in the
"Upper Airs".
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:41 PM
see the story of Earendil
Varda — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
Aye.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
he was sailing in a ship .. what was the name again? Vingilot or was
that another one? with a silmaril worked into a circlet
Varda — Yesterday at 5:42 PM
Vingilot is correct
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
phew memory still works
Varda — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
Yay! Even when you're supposed to be asleep! ; )
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
Yay! I am amazed I knew that too!
Varda — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
Yay!
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:44 PM
och aye yawns but i am off tomorrow so i felt more or less safe to
ask another question
Varda — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
Thank you. : )
And you can always check how the answers come out the next day. The
perks of a written chat!
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:45 PM
true
**** [shifts to gaming chat here]
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
Ack, when you spend all your health potions and then find out the D4
boss has a second phase...
Varda — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
oooops!
Hey, buddies, mail some health potions!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:46 PM
Anyway, I thought Aerendil's ship was a special case rather than all
the stars being ships. But it makes sense.
[5:47 PM]
's fine, some of his frequently spawning adds dropped potions
Varda — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
yay
@Ar-Pharazon-V
Ack, when you spend all your health potions and then find out
the D4 boss has a second phase...
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
Still better than hoarding all your health potions expecting there
to be a second phase and never needing them.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
haha, maybe
Varda — Yesterday at 5:47 PM
Also oops
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
Like in most RPGs I simply sell most of my potions.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
D4 doesn't work that way.
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:48 PM
In a few short minutes I will have some Ramen Noodles. The name is
Yum Yum. I do not disagree.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
You get a maximum amount of health potion slots which you can then
use in a fight, replenished by potions dropped by mobs (and partway
through bossfights), from healing wells and from healers in towns.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
Enjoy
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
And you can unlock more slots from Renown upgrades.
So no potions to sell
But enjoy!
Shelob — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
Good system.
Arien Valar — Yesterday at 5:50 PM
but anyhow i have to give in I fear ... Namarie , fellow Valarites
and friends
Varda — Yesterday at 5:50 PM
Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:51 PM
Namarie
Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:09 PM
I must be off. Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun
:}
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:10 PM
namarie!
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:29 PM
Aiya!
Varda — Yesterday at 8:38 PM
Aiya Sandalf. Welcome back. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:30 PM
Aiya! Was watching a movie
[9:31 PM]
The Prestige. A film about the rivalry between 2 magicians.
And a stellar cast.
[9:32 PM]
Including Andy Serkis who we probably all know
[9:34 PM]
Right. Personal gaming report!
[9:35 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, a new badge this week on kongregate, for a new
game, one of those based on the site's kongpanions,
https://www.kongregate.com/games/TheKongregateSquad/trifling-truffle-trouble
Kongregate
Trifling Truffle Trouble
Before his demise, Chef Nogusto met with his
brother, Lord Sugarcoat, to share his evil recipes for truffled
snacks with the infamous chocolatier.Together they...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:38 PM
This chapter of the series' story involves a machine dispensing
kongpanions as snacks, but the gameplay is very much standalone, as
you use chocolate truffles to shoot targets of various kinds out of
the machine before they make their way down.
Not a very original gameplay concept, but there's fun mechanics and
variations, and nicely presented So enjoy!
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:56 PM
I am still here, sort of.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:56 PM
Right. I should stop playing the game I just linked and continue
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 9:56 PM
Working on Chapter Four...reviewed our posting since I left earlier.
[10:00 PM]
Wie geht alles, Ar?
[10:02 PM]
Ich bin verbraucht!!!! Namarie, alle!
Namarie, Varda!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:02 PM
Namarie, guess you can read the rest of the report later
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 10:02 PM
Will do. Sei gesund!
It is hard to be 72.
[10:03 PM]
I don't spring back like you young guys.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:03 PM
I'll cross that bridge when I get to it
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 10:03 PM
:)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:05 PM
Blizzard gaming:
[10:06 PM]
Diablo 4:
Completed the campaign, entering the Realm of Hatred beyond the
Gates of Hell, witnessing the death of the angel Inarius, fighting
my way through Lilith's nightmare, and ultimately capturing Mephisto
while slaying Lilith.
[10:06 PM]
Also did the epilogue, though that was mostly travelling around a
bit and talking to a few people
[10:08 PM]
After that, I switched up the difficulty to world tier II, and
started working on Renown for all the regions. Completed the Bear
Tribe quests, getting the The Bear title, very nice for my bear
druid And started clearing Strongholds to unlock new quest
hubs and get a lot of Renown points.
[10:09 PM]
Got Fractured Peaks to renown 3, Scosglen and the Dry Steppes to 2,
and Kehjistan to 1.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:12 PM
Season 1 started this week which I've not tried yet, since I want to
get some Renown first as it carries over to the seasonal character.
It did come with a balance patch, though, which pretty much nerfed
my bear's healing to the ground, making difficulty II rather
challenging. And with Strongholds always being 2 levels above you,
I've died a fair few times. But I've ultimately managed so far,
though one of the Scosglen stronghold bosses was beyond me. I ended
up having to drop difficulty for a bit and re-clearing the place.
Indeed, Fionnir, the Moordaine Lodge boss, is apparently one of the
hardest stronghold bosses in the game, especially for a melee
class/build.
[10:14 PM]
I leveled up from 46 to 50 along the way, getting my last talent
points and starting to build up paragon points instead, which I'm
spending on base attributes so far.
[10:15 PM]
But I doubt I'll level much higher any time soon since I'll be
sticking with difficulty II until I get 3 renown with all zones, and
the mobs don't scale higher than 50 at this difficulty. Well, 52 at
least for the strongholds, I guess
[10:16 PM]
But I'm getting the hang of this difficulty now, paying more
attention to things to avoid.
[10:17 PM]
But I'm wanting to go back a bit more to WoW as well, so I think
I'll alternate renown-getting with WoW alting. So it'll be a bit
slower.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:20 PM
Hearthstone:
Level 135 on the reward track! More gold, yay
[10:22 PM]
Almost done with the big midsummer quest event, I have the ranked
questline done, and about 44 points away from the final 3000 point
goal. I could do some battlegrounds for the other questline, but
apparently with one questline done, I'm getting daily quests again
for it as well. So that should be enough instead.
Also, Death Knight class gotten to level 32!
[10:23 PM]
Brawl is the UnidentifiaBrawl. Choose a class, get a random deck
with a bunch of loot that gets random effects in your hand. The
gimmick isn't too pronounced, though, and most games just play out
normally.
WoW:
[10:24 PM]
More raiding, got the 3rd quest item to unlock the shortcut on
heroic difficulty. Also making progress on heroic Sarkareth, the
last boss, as we've gotten into phase 3 several times.
[10:27 PM]
Weekly is mythic dungeons, for which I've also done the new
megadungeon again this week. In doing so, got infinite scales for
another of the dragonriding mounts, as well as a new weapon from the
last boss. Pretty much equal to the heroic raiding weapon I already
had, but slightly better distribution of secondary stats, and a
unique bonus, Timestrike. Which apparently counts for 1% of my
damage in the raid, I'm told, so that's not bad for a free perk
Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 10:29 PM
I also got more aspects' crests out of it, and used 4 of them to
recraft my Flaring Cowl to heroic raiding ilevel. And used the other
2 to max out the ilevel upgrades of my new weapon, and the tier
chest. Apparently when you max out a tier piece it also takes the
appearance of the next difficulty, so my heroic chestpiece now has
the purple mythic look. I kinda like it, and am looking forward to
maxing out more pieces as I do the megadungeon a few more times
[10:30 PM]
Only need a few bits of honor more to complete the trading post for
this month, so next reset's brawl should easily take care of that.
That's good, means I won't have to go out of my way to gather extra
points.
[10:31 PM]
Draenic seed gathering in the old Garrison is progressing as well,
as I was able to buy the Garden Scythe appearance for 1000 seeds.
Now I only have 2 1-hands to go for 500 seeds each. Getting there!
[10:33 PM]
And finally, alting! As mentioned above, I wanted to get back to
alting, alternating it more with D4. I got the first half of the
blood elf starting zone done, getting my paladin to level 6.
And next week, I hope to do a bit more maging in Revendreth!
And that's my report for the week.
[10:34 PM]
Namarie!
July 24, 2023
@Shelob
Ah, it's more implied than actually said. That's why I was
confused.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:15 AM
Missed this earlier, wanted to comment. Varda's quote from the Sil:
"And the voice of Illuvatar said to Aule: "Thy offer I
accepted even as it was made. Dost thou not see that these things
now have a life of their own and speak with their own voices? ..."
[6:18 AM]
Sounds pretty clear the order of events from that: Eru chastised
Aulë, Aulë repents of his mistake and offers to destroy the Dwarves,
Eru has pity and grants them Being of their own, Aulë goes to
destroy the Dwarves, and Eru says (paraphrased), "Hey, pay attention
dude. I just gave the Dwarves life, but I'm not fixing anything else
you screwed up."
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:24 AM
Or, more properly paraphrased: "Son, you messed up, but I know you
didn't do it to spite me. I love you, so I'm going to fix this, but
only this. However, I am not going to let your impatience throw off
the plan I set out, so you're going to have to wait. You're going to
learn patience."
Shelob — Today at 6:48 AM
Yes, I understand that now, but for the longest time I did not read
it as such.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:56 AM
Actually, let me amend that just a bit, because to be accurate,
first Aulë was like "Here dad, do with these what you will." Then he
said (again, paraphrasing): "Since this is something I screwed up
anyway, shouldn't I just rip it all up and throw it in the trash?"
So the "offer" Eru refers to is the first offer, not the one
where Aulë goes to destroy the Dwarves.
@Shelob
Yes, I understand that now, but for the longest time I did
not read it as such.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:02 AM
Fair enough, but I still needed to clarify to point out the offer
was to give the Dwarves to Eru, not to destroy them. Don't need
anyone mistaking that, heh.
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[7:03 AM]
Anyway, time to turn my attention elsewhere. Enjoy the day.
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