Valar Guild

February 5, 2022 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern.]

Attending (and typed): (7)

rien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Eowyn, Pallando, Sandalf, Varda (presiding)
Meeting begins
Membership news:

    Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Starcraft 2, Overwatch 2, Hearthstone, Eve Online
    Topic from Varda: Little things: Bilbo's gifts to the hobbits after the War of the Ring.
    Topic from Sandalf: What was the relationship between the Dunedain and Rivendell?
    Topic from Varda: Little things: Swans in the reeds.
    (non)Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.

    Pallando told us what's happening in Eve Online.


Varda — Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:01 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya Phar : )
[4:02 PM]
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:02 PM]


[4:02 PM]
Ar-Pharazon and I have managed to type, yay!

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:03 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Aiya Eonwe

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:03 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Arien was in LotRO with Fangorn and myself. She's playing a Warden and leveling fast.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
she's not in WoW, at least

Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
She's in LotRO

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Aiya all!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
@Bounder The Valar Guild chat is starting! Come say hi, talk gaming and Tolkien! Lurk!
[4:04 PM]
Aiya Sandalf : )
[4:05 PM]
@Guild-friend The Valar Guild chat is starting! Come on in and say hi!
[4:05 PM]
I'm trying to remember we have more than one @ that needs done.
[4:05 PM]
Did that show up for you, Sandalf?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:06 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:06 PM
A side message letting folks know the meeting is starting.
[4:07 PM]

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Aiya Sandalf!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Aiya Ar!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Stuff being worked on but not yet complete enough to show yet.
[4:08 PM]
Although the Games Site news by Eonwe is faithfully updated, and we have news on the general News as always, so it tends not to be mentioned.
[4:08 PM]



[4:08 PM]
Eonwe is on the side so he may be away from the keyboard at the moment.
[4:09 PM]
In case folks don't know, click what looks like a little person on the right of the Discord screen above that says Member List to hide or unhide it.
[4:10 PM]
Everyone knows this, I guess? : )
[4:10 PM]
Eowyn and Fangorn are going into a Starcraft game. : )
[4:11 PM]
Eonwe says he's ready! Let's see...
[4:11 PM]
tosses him the gavel high in the air, sparkling in the distant light of Arien
[4:12 PM]
still spinning

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
Look at that thing spin...
[4:13 PM]
spinning right against gravity

Varda — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
It looks like a circle!
[4:13 PM]
A disk!
[4:13 PM]
Going to be a job to catch that thing.
[4:13 PM]
gets faster, showing off

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
Lord of the Rings Online:
Update 34.2 is out this week. ---
    The Lord of the Rings Online
    Update 34.2 Release Notes
    Here are the release notes for Update 34.2, released on Wednesday, February 1st, 2023.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
[4:14 PM]
What a catch!

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM

World of Warcraft:
This week's bonus event: Battlegrounds.

The PvP Brawl: Temple of Hotmogu is going until Tuesday, February 7th.
[4:14 PM]
The Trading Post is open. Check it out if you're in need of things to do. ---
Still some issues with it but they're trying to get them worked out.
    World of Warcraft
    The Trading Post is Open! - WoW
    The Trading Post is now open for business with a multitude of mystical, magical items to add to your collection with just the exchange of Trader’s Tender—earnable through a variety of in-game activities.

[4:14 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes. ---
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: February 3, 2023 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

[4:15 PM]

Starcraft 2:
Patch 5.0.11 came out. ---
    StarCraft II 5.0.11 Hotfix Patch Notes
    Patch 5.0.11 Hotfix has arrived with bug fixes for Versus.

[4:15 PM]

Overwatch 2:
Several new blogs are out to read:
[4:15 PM]
Director's Take - Mapping Out The Future ---
    Director's Take - Mapping Out the Future
    Game Director Aaron Keller talks about Maps, Map Pools, and upcoming changes in your favorite battlegrounds in Overwatch

[4:15 PM]
Overwatch 2 Developer Blog: Explaning Matchmaker Goals And Plans, Part 2 ---
    Overwatch 2 Developer Blog: Explaining matchmaker goals and plans, ...
    We’re back for part 2 of our matchmaker series to talk about matchmaker in competitive and future plans!

[4:15 PM]
Season 2 Retrospective: A Look Back And The Road Forward ---
    Season 2 retrospective: A look back and the road forward
    Reflections and next steps for Ramattra, seasonal events, rewards, and more

[4:15 PM]
Defense Matrix Update: Streaming Protection Features And New Actions For Cheating ---
    Defense Matrix Update: Streaming Protection Features and New Action...
    In this latest Defense Matrix update, we take a look at new steps to keep Overwatch 2 fun and fair for everyone.

[4:15 PM]
Patch 25.2.2 is out. ---
    25.2.2 Patch Notes
    Patch 25.2.2 includes balance changes to Standard, Battlegrounds, and Duels!

[4:16 PM]
That's it from me.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Thank you, Eonwe : )
[4:17 PM]

Lord of the Rings Online (more):

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Aiya  :)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Aiya Arien!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
The general News has a listing of deeds to do for the Harbingers of the Ill Omens event.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:18 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Aiya Sunshine!
[4:18 PM]
Landroval branch:

Crickhollow branch:

Shadowfax branch:

Treebeard branch:
[4:19 PM]
(Looky, two ents on the Landroval server!)
[4:19 PM]
Any other gaming or membership comments, suggestions, requests, etc? : )
[4:21 PM]
On to
[4:21 PM]


[4:21 PM]
Does anyone have a comment for Tolkien? Arien's last time about the bat-folk in Lord of the Rings Online was quite interesting.

cenedra — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Aiya! <-from Eowyn

Varda — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Eowyn! Aiya! Great to see you. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:22 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
aiya eowyn

Varda — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
Eowyn, one of the major favorite characters in the Lord of the Rings. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
Aiya Eowyn1!

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
Heya Eowyn.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Anyway, I was flipping through RotK and enjoying some of the tiny scenes in "Many Partings".
[4:30 PM]
There are huge things going on that seem to overshadow the rest, but these small bits make a special experience of the reading.
[4:30 PM]
At Rivendell, Bilbo gives some gifts before they depart. Here's one:
[4:30 PM]
[4:30 PM]
"To Sam he gave a little bag of gold. 'Almost the last drop of the Smaug vintage,' he said. 'May come in useful, if you think of getting married, Sam.' Sam blushed.
Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
So is Sam blushing at the idea of marriage, or blushing because he already had someone in mind? heh.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
"It was gonna be her!"

Varda — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
Bilbo was aware of what was going on. : )
[4:37 PM]
Sam got caught. ; )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Myes... but how long had it been since Bilbo left the Shire? Surely he couldn't have been that up to date.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
I suspect that Bilbo knew that Sam had Rosie in mind...word travels.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Hard to imagine some dwarf travelling through the Shire, meeting up with Bilbo at/near Rivendell and telling him whether Sam's asked Rosie out yet in the last 3 years

Varda — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Merry and Pippin may have been ribbing Sam where Bilbo heard, too.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
True, or Frodo might h ave told him, probably wouldn't think it'd be that big a secret to Bilbo  :)

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
[4:41 PM]
Note, Bilbo does not bother to do this for Frodo. Frodo gets three books of lore, and is re-gifted Sting and the mithril shirt since Bilbo forgot he already gave them. Also, Frodo is given the task of finishing the next part of Bilbo's book that has Frodo's adventures.
[4:41 PM]
Bilbo is aware that Frodo has no love life to speak of.
[4:42 PM]
Bilbo gives Merry and Pippin lots of advice. hehe

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
Frodo's been hanging around with Elves too much. Spoiled for hobbit ladies.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
[4:43 PM]
Because I play LotRO and had seen this area, this tiny spot of description jumped out:
[4:43 PM]
"Far to the west in a haze lay the meres and eyots through which it wound its way to the Greyflood: there countless swans housed in a land of reeds."

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
How many Hobbit ladies are really going to be happy about her man going out every so often to go talk with Elves? Doesn't seem to me there's a whole lot that would understand a Hobbit man doing that.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
She would have to be pretty special to be ok with having Elves and Dwarves visiting, too.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:45 PM

Varda — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
Rosie had a chance to get used to what was going on at Bag End from hearing Sam, Frodo, and most likely their friends.
[4:46 PM]
She was unusual to be a Shire hobbit and willing to be with Sam, who adventured.
[4:46 PM]
You'd expect the possiblity from a Took or Brandybuck.
[4:47 PM]
We have another topic that came up in a side chat. : )
[4:47 PM]

"What exactly was the relationship between  the Dunedain of the North and Rivendell? I suspect that they must have maintained pretty close contact over the years."
[4:48 PM]
Thank you, Sandalf, for bringing this up.
[4:48 PM]
He had more to add to that.
[4:48 PM]
"In addition to fostering the Chieftains of the Dunedain when they were adolescents, Imladris served as the repository for Narsil and the Scepter of Annuminas. The Ring of Barahir was passed from Chieftain to Chieftain as a matter of course. In what ways was the relationship between Imladris and the Dunedain of Arnor different from that that Imladris maintained with other  mortals?"
[4:48 PM]
Ok, gang. Jump in!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Rivendell was quite dedicated to maintaining the legacy and bloodline of the Dunedain, at least.
[4:49 PM]
Maybe as Elros' descendants they hit a soft spot with Elrond.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
Exactly what I have thought over the years, using those very same words....Elrond (and Imladris) had a soft spot for the descendants of his brother Elros.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
Well, it was the seat of the High-King of the Dunedain of Numenor, it was the closest to Rivendell. It allowed relations between the two to be closer because they would face the same regional issues.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Not only that, but there was a physical resemblance between many of the Dunedain and the Elves of Imladris.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
We're not really privy to the relationship between Rivendell and Gondor during the days of their Kings before the Ruling Stewards took over, but I imagine they would be as close as distance allowed.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
I think that given the natural propensity of Elrond to favor the descendants of his brother, once the Kings of Gondor died out with Earnur, Elronds only living "nephews and nieces" resided with the Dunedain of the North.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
They were close enough to be allies in war, anyway.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
Even though, as Gandalf points out to Pippin, "the blood of Westernesse" ran true in many of those in Gondor as well.
[4:56 PM]
I wish that Tolkien gave us a little more detail about the makeup of the Last Alliance, and their strategic relationships and goals. It would be fun reading more about this. I think that Gil-Galad was partial to Elendil, in particular.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
I was more referring to the war with Angmar, but yes, the Last Alliance as well

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Aragorn was a special case, of course, since he arrived at Imladris not as a teenager, already knowledgeable about their heritage, but as a two year old who was in deperate need of a father figure, and, handily enough, two "brother" figures in Elrohir and Elladan.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Based on the reasons for Mardil remaining Ruling Steward, it would seem there were still some descendants of Elros in Gondor, just none with a strong enough claim to unite every house behind.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Royal blood does have a tendency to spread out around the high circles of a population, provided enough children of any kings or queens survive.
[5:04 PM]
Silmarien's line the most prominent, but they were bound to be everywhere.
[5:04 PM]
Including what would lead to the stewards, sure

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
I always found the thought intriguing that earnur was caught by sauron and turned into a nazgul or some other figure of terror , a powerful servant and yet a slave bound to sauron .. maybe also lwith a lasting grudge to his enslaver
[5:05 PM]
but that only as sidenote ~  [Note: seen in the game LotRO.]

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
There was no doubt a lot of intermarriage between the various families of the Men of Numenor, including as Ar points out, includig the royal family.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
"Now the descendants of the kings had become few. There numbers had been greatly diminished by the Kin-strife; whereas since that time the kings had become jealous and wrathful of those near akin. Often those on whom suspicion fell had fled to Umbar and there joined the rebels; while others had renounced their lineage and taken wives not of Numenorean blood. (edited)
Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
and i dont put it beneath the royal family to have sidelines or illegitimate cousins or half cousins , half brothers who maybe even married other Numenorians of lesser descent

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
So it was that no claimant to the crown could be found who was of pure blood, or whose claim all would allow; and all feared the memory of the Kin-strife."

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Sure, not enough of "pure" blood, but they'd still be descendants, and still welcome by any elf relatives I'm sure

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Frodo recognized an "elf-like" nature in Faramir when they met in Ithilien.
[5:09 PM]
And the Rangers of Gondor, when Frodo met them, were talking in Sindarin.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
right .. unfortunately i have to leave .. early shift tomorrow , intriguing as this topic is

Varda — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Good night/morning, Arien. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Have a wonderful week, Arien! Geniesst du eine wunderbare Woche!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Namarie , valarites
[5:12 PM]

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:12 PM

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
thanks sandalf
[5:12 PM]

Varda — Yesterday at 5:13 PM
TT "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit"
That's where Frodo and Sam meet up with Faramir's band.
[5:14 PM]
They don't seem to be talking Sindarin at first at least. Looking for where that might be now.
A joke about how elves are said to be wondrous fair to look on but they're not
[5:15 PM]
There it is.
It's a bit later
[5:16 PM]
When the men are just chatting between themselves.
Mablung and Damrod, start off talking Common then shift to Elvish

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
It's not like that common halfling over there will be able to follow, right?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
"...he knew then that they must be Dunedain of the South, men of the line of the Lords of Westernesse.
Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
"They took of their masks now and began to cool them, as the day-heat grew...They spoke together in soft voices, at first using the common speech, but after the manner of older daysl and then changing to another language of their own. To his amazement, as he listened, Frodo became aware that it was the Elven-tongue that they spoke, or one but little different...
Varda — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
That's it. : )
And of course they are pale-skinned, dark of hair, grey eyes. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
And later, as Arien noted, Tolkien goes on to write: "for he knew then that they must be Dunedain of the South, men of the line of the Lords of Westernesse."
[5:20 PM]
Varda notes that they look just like the Noldor, from whom Elrond and Elros were descended...
[5:21 PM]
I think that in my Denethor as Macbeth chapter, I discuss at some length the fact that the Men of Westernesse have, over the years, absorbed so much of the Elvish sense of sadness.
[5:22 PM]
"The wisdom and sadness of the Elder Race," or something like that.

Eonwλ Valar — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
It's time for me to be off.
Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
Ooops...I need to run (literally), as I need to get to Costco before they close to pick up a few things. Spent the better part of the day today still moving and settling in...

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:28 PM

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
Namarie, Eonwe!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:28 PM
And good luck, Sandalf

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Thanks! Here is a picture of my completed moving in project for today...not the most glamorous item, but highly useful!!!
[5:30 PM]
I built the space saver shelf unit to go over the toilet. Took a good couple of hours to do so...It is not perfect, but it works and it IS attached to the wall at the top!

Varda — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
Namarie to those leaving : )
[5:32 PM]
Nice shelf!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
Is the shelf unit removable in case maintenance needs to be done to the toilet?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
One last item before I is my new business card. If you ever need geological consulting, please give me a call! New Address, New Card!

business card

Varda — Yesterday at 5:32 PM
Nice, readable card.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:33 PM
Yes it is. I will check in later! Namarie to all, and, as always, sei gesund!

Varda — Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Namarie : )
[5:40 PM]
the gavel drops on its face, wondering when it's going to be called

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
Has it been spinning all this time?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:40 PM
the hammerpad rushes under it, the cork surface pillowing the fall
It was caught by Eonwe and was ok. : )



[5:41 PM]
But it had quite a work-out!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:45 PM

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:57 PM
Personal gaming report:
For (non)flashgaming, here's
    Mini Blocks
    Switch Blocks to reach the Goal!

[6:01 PM]
A simple platformer where you make your way through small levels. Two button game, one for jumping, one for switching active blocks to create or remove obstacles. Only way to turn is through walljumps.
[6:02 PM]
Avoid spikes or getting stuck on the wrong side of the level, and get to the door each time!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:10 PM
Blizzard gaming:
[6:12 PM]
Level 88 on the reward track. About 2 more weeks, probably, to 100!
Got the death knight to level 22 on the way!
[6:18 PM]
Brawl is the brawliseum, a heroic arena, expensive in gold, and since I'm bad at arena, I skipped it.
[6:19 PM]
Instead, to complete the weekly quest, I did a bunch of duel stuff instead, making an unholy death knight deck which actually did quite well! Slow to start, so vulnerable to fast aggressive decks, but ultimately overwhelming the board
So that was a nice change
[6:20 PM]
More raiding! A few normal bosses, a few heroic bosses, getting some upgrades, including my 2-piece tier bonus.
[6:21 PM]
Ilevel's now 372, just a bit behind, but very much capable of surviving both normal and heroic. Soon I hope to be tanking a bit there as well
[6:22 PM]
Weekly is battlegrounds, which went quite well as guardian too. Feels a bit squishy but I'm not sure if my ilevel will still be having a bigger impact there in the near future.
[6:24 PM]
Visited the Trading Post, getting some trading tender, including the first bonus for dragonflight, and ended up buying the ogre pet, Garrlok, as well as a firey spiked flail weapon appearance. While my retribution paladin uses 2-hands, if she ever goes tanky, using the appearance will make her look like rather like the Diablo 3 Crusader
[6:25 PM]
I've still got 400 tender to collect this month - which shouldn't be a problem between quests, raidbosses, and some Love is in the Air activity - but I don't think I'll be buying anything more this month, rather save it up for the next.
[6:27 PM]
Oh, and one of the activities for tender is collecting honor, and since it's battleground week, that's looking promising enough for the month. I got to honor level 105 as well this week!
For questing, I've been alternating between the druid and mage as planned.
[6:28 PM]
The mage did some side quests in Bastion, visiting two rivals, one of them working with larions and the other with phalynxes, to compare the two lifestyles.
[6:29 PM]
The druid has been continuing into the Azure Span, clearing out a camp and cave of gnolls before moving to the main gnoll base at Brackenhide Hollow, investigating their decay magic.
[6:30 PM]
After that he arrived in Iskaara, where immediately a plethora of quests overwhelmed him... between those and pretty much every other project he's been working on, the druid actually managed to hit the quest cap of 35 quests at once!
Today I delivered the battlegrounds weekly and did the Iskaara orientation quest, so that frees up a bit of space, but I think I'll finish up a bunch of side quests as mentioned in the achievement so I don't run into the same trouble in any future main questing for a while.
    Lend a Helping Span
    Lend a Helping Span is a quest achievement earned by completing the optional quests from Camp Antonidas, Iskaara, and Three Falls Lookout listed below.

[6:32 PM]
The big side questlines for Sojourner I'll still skip for a while, though, as the main quest remains the priority.
[6:32 PM]
And that's my report for the week!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:08 PM
Are you still here, Ar? I am reading your report.

Varda — Yesterday at 7:22 PM
Thank you, Phar. : )

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:23 PM
Aiya Varda!

Varda — Yesterday at 7:23 PM
Aiya Sandalf : )


Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:58 PM
I too shall get back to work, Namarie, Varda and Ar! Best wishes to you! Sei gesund!!!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 7:58 PM
You too, goodnight

Pallando-Valar — Yesterday at 8:24 PM
Aiya, not dead, just busy during meetingtime.

Varda — Yesterday at 8:38 PM
Aiya Pallando : )
[8:39 PM]
Dropping a note to us before or after can work nicely too. Yay text! Glad to see you. : )
[8:39 PM]
Eve keeping you and yours hopping?

Pallando-Valar — Yesterday at 9:28 PM
[9:29 PM]
got a small tournament coming up and a nice hot war..

Varda — Yesterday at 10:14 PM
sorry, was in a battle just now. Ahh, sounds like you're all keeping very busy! Should be interesting. : )

Varda — Yesterday at 11:15 PM
Nighty night : )