April 23, 2023
Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern, which is Valar time and LotRO /servertime.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe (After-meeting), Sandalf,
Shelob, Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Sandalf: tales of settlling into the new house.
Shelob: new job plus Covid
Web:
Tolkien Site / Stories:
New story: For
the Future by Eonwe-(Valar)
Gaming:
World of Warcraft, Diablo 4, Overwatch 2, Diablo
Immortal, Lord of the Rings Online
Tolkien:
Topic
from Shelob: Did movies and TV overwrite your own imagination of
Middle-earth?
After-meeting:
(non)
Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard
games.
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Before-meeting
Sandalf13 — Today at 3:58 PM
Aiya All! Whenever you arrive!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 3:58 PM
Aiya!
Sandalf13 — Today at 3:58 PM
Whassup, Ar?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 3:58 PM
Not much, doing 2 games at once again
Sandalf13 — Today at 3:59 PM
I don't know how you do it.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 3:59 PM
Partial windows
Sandalf13 — Today at 3:59 PM
I have no idea how to subdivide my window.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 3:59 PM
I can see what's happening in one while doing the other.
Arien Valar — Today at 4:00 PM
aiya my friends
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:00 PM
Do you just upen up two games at once and keep them in reduced-size
windows?
Varda — Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya again!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:00 PM
Well, my WoW is fullscreen-windowed, and this browsergame is reduced
size so I can see WoW around/behind it.
Varda — Today at 4:00 PM
Can use more than one monitor, or make the windows small next to
each other on the same screen.
[4:01 PM]
or that.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:01 PM
Never went for the 2 monitor thing. Though I know people who went
for 3.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:01 PM
I follow you...I do that too, but not with games!
Varda — Today at 4:01 PM
I went with two monitors until having to give one up. Very handy.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:01 PM
I can't even fit a widescreen in this little alcove, let alone
multiple
Varda — Today at 4:01 PM
Sandalf, you might have to add "yet". ; )
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:02 PM
Gotcha, Digger(in)!!
Varda — Today at 4:02 PM
I have a laptop. The other monitor sat on a shelf behind and above
it.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:04 PM
My new front porch...poured on Tuesday.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/1099802894162727032/20230419_113826.jpg
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:04 PM
Ouch?
Did it collapse?
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:04 PM
Next step is to build a small fence around it, to match all the
others in the neighborhood!
[4:05 PM]
No...it was pretty firm within 1 hour, and cured over a 24 hour
period. I could walk on it Wednesday afternoon.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:05 PM
Oh, poured as in concrete, not as in a major heavy rainstorm that
collapsed the fence in place
Arien Valar — Today at 4:05 PM
looks nice
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:06 PM
Yes. It was a "concrete pour" with a big cement truck and
everything....pretty impressive to watch. You may note my old
Raymond Rural Fire District award if you blow the picture up a
little....back from my firefighter/EMT-B days.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:07 PM
Yeah, that only added to my misunderstanding, as I thought you'd put
it down to identify it as a disaster scene
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:08 PM
Sometimes my life is a disaster...don't even ask about the
landscaping job.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:08 PM
hehe
Varda — Today at 4:08 PM
: )
[4:11 PM]
@Bounder Valar Guild meeting time! Come say hi!
[4:12 PM]
@Guild-friend Time for the Valar Guild meeting! Come say hi!
Arien Valar — Today at 4:12 PM
i see a spidy
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Varda — Today at 4:12 PM
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Membership:
Shelob — Today at 4:12 PM
Oh! Hey! It's been way too long since I wandered into the Shire!
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:12 PM
Aiya Shelob!
Arien Valar — Today at 4:13 PM
Aiya shelob
Shelob — Today at 4:13 PM
Juicy Hobbitses are the best snacks.
Varda — Today at 4:13 PM
Aiya Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Sandalf, and Shelob!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:13 PM
Aiya all I've not Aiya'd yet!
Varda — Today at 4:13 PM
You sound like a pvmp in LotRO. : ) [Note: pvmp means "player vs
monster player"]
Shelob — Today at 4:13 PM
I mean, of course, they're excellent to take on picknics with.
Varda — Today at 4:13 PM
Eonwe was called away but left us his report first and another goody
for web. : )
[4:14 PM]
Great to see Spidey back! : )
Arien, Sandalf, Shelob: <3
[4:15 PM]
Any other membership news we'd like to mention? See above for
Sandalf's news about his new house. : )
[4:16 PM]
Fladrif sightings? Helm?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:16 PM
Fladrif last online... 9 hours ago!
Shelob — Today at 4:16 PM
Might have some. But I'm going to finish my dm to Varda first to
double check if it's appropriate.
Varda — Today at 4:17 PM
Good to hear the Ent is still on the move. : )
heh, ok
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:17 PM
If what they do as far as moving is concerned can still be called
moving...heh heh
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:17 PM
9 hours is barely enough to say hi
Varda — Today at 4:17 PM
Settling in? : )
Right, Phar!
[4:18 PM]
Seems like moving in takes years. Then there's just plain upkeep!
We can just call it renovation and sound cool?
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFADFSI7Z4Q
YouTube
Night Court fan
Night Court - C'mon, Speedy!
[4:19 PM]
Talking about moving Ents...
Varda — Today at 4:20 PM
Reminds me of watching the "old guy" on the Carol Burnett show. : )
Arien Valar — Today at 4:20 PM
spotted Helm yesterday shortly
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:20 PM
Heh, reminds me of the sloths in Zootopia.
Shelob — Today at 4:22 PM
Ok, my membership news:
Varda — Today at 4:22 PM
Good about Helm!
Shelob — Today at 4:23 PM
I've managed to land myself a job and contracted COVID both in
February. As a result, even more than usual, I'm usually in bed by
10 PM on Sunday nights severely limiting my attendance even more
than it was before. I'm glad I managed to attend today, because as I
said, it's been too long.
Varda — Today at 4:23 PM
Grats on the job!!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:24 PM
Congratulations
Shelob — Today at 4:24 PM
But then again, I've got tomorrow off, so I've got a little extra
time (and I got distracted by Youtube, or I would have been in bed
half an hour ago.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:24 PM
One of them, at least.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:24 PM
Congrats for your new job! Sorry about the Covid, though...it can be
so nasty.
Arien Valar — Today at 4:24 PM
grats
Varda — Today at 4:24 PM
Please feel free to leave messages here when you can't make meetings
due to time! Lets you still get in a word.
Shelob — Today at 4:25 PM
Yeah. Still struggling with the aftermath. Haven't managed to make
full days at the job yet, but my boss and manager and coworkers all
are very supportive!
[4:25 PM]
So I'm very lucky with it!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:25 PM
Interesting start of a job, at least.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:25 PM
Wonderful news!
Arien Valar — Today at 4:25 PM
good good
Varda — Today at 4:26 PM
Weird how crazy things like that happen at the start of new jobs.
Bet we can all tell some stories like that, but let's not do them
all right now, folks. ; )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:26 PM
( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR2ZhR-GVEU
for my earlier mention)
YouTube
Jilit narz
ZOOTOPIA SLOTH SCENES (ALL)
Varda — Today at 4:26 PM
hah, think those are most of the bureaucrats we've had to deal with?
[4:29 PM]
On to
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Web News:
[4:29 PM]
In very happy news, we have a new story from
Eonwe in his series about Auros.
[4:30 PM]
The series lets us see how the changes hit the Noldor over their
long lives and history. In this one, he and his young friends try to
figure what they want to be when they grow up. While gaming of
course.
[4:31 PM]
https://valarguild.org/tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Eonwe/stories/ForTheFuture.htm
Enjoy : )
[4:32 PM]
While you're all off reading that, heres the
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Gaming News:
[4:33 PM]
(Feel free to interject where you have more news!)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:33 PM
Auros is just like a MMO player.. even with so many other activities
in the game, it's still all about the fighting.
Varda — Today at 4:34 PM
hehehe - aye!
World of Warcraft:
(more fighting!)
This week's bonus event: Pet Battles.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:34 PM
Them's fighting words.
Varda — Today at 4:34 PM
hehe
The PvP Brawl: Cooking Impossible is going until Tuesday, April
25th.
[4:35 PM]
Turbulent Timeways: Legion Timewalking is going.
Cross-faction guilds are coming, but only for opposite-faction
characters on the same realm as the guild and still can only play
together in instances.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23934662/play-with-more-friends-with-cross-faction-guilds
World of Warcraft
Play With More Friends with Cross-Faction Guilds
- WoW
We're blurring the faction line for guilds and
allowing players to create and join same-realm guilds with their
friends from the opposite faction when the Embers of Neltharion
update arrives on May 2.
[4:37 PM]
A preview and raid unlocking schedule is available for Aberrus, the
Shadowed Crucible.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23935246/aberrus-the-shadowed-crucible-raid-preview-and-schedule
World of Warcraft
Aberrus, the Shadowed Crucible Raid Preview and
Schedule - WoW
Learn more about the upcoming new raid arriving
with the start of Dragonfight Season 2.
Dragonflight Season 2 begins May 9th.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23935247/updated-april-20-conquer-the-challenges-of-dragonflight-season-2-on-may-9
World of Warcraft
[UPDATED APRIL 20] Conquer the Challenges of
Dragonflight Season 2 ...
Dragonflight Season 2 will roll out through the
second week of May. All the details for the new raid, mythic+
rotation and PvP action can be found right here.
[4:38 PM]
(At least WoW gives us lots of pictures)
Check out Blues News.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23934663/blues-news-april-21-2023
World of Warcraft
Blues News: April 21, 2023 - WoW
Stay up to date with World of Warcraft when you
join us each week as we round up some of the latest top blue posts
and discussions.
[4:39 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23922961/hotfixes-april-18-2023
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: April 18, 2023 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Dragonflight,
Wrath of the Lich King Classic, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW
Classic.
[4:40 PM]
Diablo 4:
They're going to conduct a server slam May 12 - 14.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23938755/help-us-gear-up-for-launch-during-the-diablo-iv-server-slam
Help Us Gear Up for Launch During the Diablo IV
Server Slam
Server Slam runs from May 12–14. Take up arms to
defend Sanctuary from Lilith’s legions while helping us prepare our
servers for Diablo IV’s launch on June 6.
Overwatch 2:
New blog up: Director's Take - Lifeweaver's Growth and Balance.
[4:41 PM]
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23938062/
Overwatch
Director’s Take - Lifeweaver’s Growth and
Balance:23938062
Game Director Aaron Keller is back with another
update about Lifeweaver and how he is growing into the Overwatch 2
metagame
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:42 PM
Sorry...doorbell rang.. Had to answer.
Varda — Today at 4:42 PM
No problem at all. Typing helps us handle those sorts of things!
Diablo Immortal:
Check out the latest bug fixes.
Shelob — Today at 4:42 PM
Typing doesn't open the door though.
[4:43 PM]
Unless you've got one of them fancy hi-tech houses.
Varda — Today at 4:43 PM
heh, aye.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23826549/diablo-immortal-bug-fixes-and-patch-notes-for-all-platforms
Diablo Immortal Bug Fixes and Patch Notes for All
Platforms
We will continually update this blog with all bug
fixes and patches the team implements for Diablo Immortal on all
platforms.
Lord of the Rings Online:
Update 35.1 came out this week.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:43 PM
Typing to open the door? Is the voice command malfunctioning?
Varda — Today at 4:43 PM
https://www.lotro.com/update-notes/lotro-update-35-1-release-notes-en
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 35.1 Release Notes
Here are the release notes for Update 35.1,
released on Wednesday, April 19th, 2023.
[4:44 PM]
In LotRO, the anniversary is going.
@Ar-Pharazon-V
Typing to open the door? Is the voice command malfunctioning?
Shelob — Today at 4:44 PM
My bad. Fairly low-tech high-tech.
Varda — Today at 4:44 PM
heh
Shadowfax server: On May 3, 2023, Fate of Gundabad and Before the
Shadow will arrive on Shadowfax. So expect players to be able to
level to 140, currently 130 cap.
[4:45 PM]
That also means the closing of the server is coming closer. At least
this time our kin house isn't the big Belfalas island.
Landroval:
Arien
Eonwe
Fangorn
Nar
Pengolodh
Varda
Crickhollow:
Eonwe
Falco
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax:
Varda
Treebeard:
Varda
[4:46 PM]
Starcraft 2: The usual suspects. : )
Tabletop gaming: Sauron is still being our dungeon master, and
somehow we lived through that last adventure.
[4:47 PM]
Any other gaming news? Requests? Suggestions? Raspberries?
Any other membership news or other comments you want to make? [Note:
side chat, aid done in LotRO.]
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Tolkien!
[4:48 PM]
Shelob, you had a topic?
Shelob — Today at 4:48 PM
Ah yes! It just popped into my head:
After more than 20 years since the first LotR movie aired, and
countless of other entertainment entries, how much has our view of
the original works been subsumed by those cast into the images of
the movies and other entries, for better or worse?
Varda — Today at 4:49 PM
I admit the movie images took over from a lot of my mental images.
Shelob — Today at 4:49 PM
For example, especially with games like LotRO portraying the
original cast close to that of the movies, for me, I can't even
remember what I used to think Aragorn would be like. To me, Aragorn
is Viggo Mortensen.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:50 PM
When I first read LOTR I envisaged hobbits as green, like Warcraft
goblins. I'm glad that got corrected, at least
Varda — Today at 4:50 PM
Aragorn should have black hair, be extremely tall, and no beard or
stubble. And yet I think of Viggo.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:50 PM
An ongoing problem. The beauty of reading a book is that you can
create your own mental image of the character(s) you are reading
about. Movies take that away from us, and leave us with the image
that some director arbitrarily decided to give us....and yes, those
movie images tend to dominate our own mental pictures.
Varda — Today at 4:50 PM
Green? I wonder why?
[4:51 PM]
Well put, Sandalf.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:51 PM
I assume Warcraft, but I can't remember for sure!
Varda — Today at 4:51 PM
Gandalf now looks like the movie in my head though. Can't hardly
change that one.
Shelob — Today at 4:51 PM
I think that's a testament to the brilliance of Peter Jackson, the
writing team and the actors and all the rest of the cast and crew to
really bring the books to life.
Varda — Today at 4:51 PM
It's always been a problem when art is added to a book.
Shelob — Today at 4:52 PM
If the movies had been bad, we might have a lot less trouble
thinking of our own mental images, since then the actors would not
really be them, right?
Varda — Today at 4:52 PM
Agreed, Shelob. Brilliant casting and setting. New Zealand and
incredible sets. Amazing clothing, armor, etc
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:52 PM
Of all characters, I think it's Frodo who fits my current image the
least, since I know he's around 50 in the books, so I see him a bit
fatter and more wrinkly.
Bakshi helps with that.
Varda — Today at 4:52 PM
Aye, Shelob. The Rankin-Bass movies did not take over my mental
images, for instance.
[4:53 PM]
He'd lose weight fast on that trip. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:53 PM
Rankin-Bass, yes. Bakshi a bit less.
Arien Valar — Today at 4:53 PM
no frog-like orcs then, Varda :)?
Varda — Today at 4:54 PM
Bakshi also did not take over.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:54 PM
And true, he'd shed weight pretty fast...
Varda — Today at 4:54 PM
But the songs, heh. Where there's a whip there's a way and others.
Catchy.
Shelob — Today at 4:54 PM
hehe
Arien Valar — Today at 4:54 PM
uhu#
Shelob — Today at 4:55 PM
The Hobbit didn't change much for me either. While Legolas is still
Orlando Bloom, he's Legolas from the original movies, not the
Hobbit, where I think he's portrayed much more like... a ninny.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:55 PM
Still, if you show someone PJ's LotR and tell them that Frodo's 50
years old and it's been 17 years since his coming of age party,
they're going to look at you funny.
Varda — Today at 4:55 PM
They didn't have Tolkien to work from, aye.
[4:56 PM]
Well-preserved?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:56 PM
True, can blame the Ring
Arien Valar — Today at 4:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rERo2BYdVnY
YouTube
Clamavi De Profundis
Where There's a Whip (There's a Way) - Clamavi De
Profundis
Varda — Today at 4:57 PM
Feels like work. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:58 PM
We're gonna march all day, all day, all day ♪
Shelob — Today at 4:58 PM
I also think that the main success of the movies also helped with
spinoff projects, like I mentioned before, further solidifying our
new mental images of our beloved characters. Even when some of those
spinoff works weren't as good, seeing Orlando as Legolas again makes
it harder to think of whatever original image we had of him.
Varda — Today at 4:59 PM
Reinforcement
Shelob — Today at 4:59 PM
And I'll be honest, writing that, I think I expected Legolas to be
older, wiser, yet he's still Orlando. Doesn't make sense.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:59 PM
Battle for Middle-earth, LotRO, even https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring_(video_game)
do reinforce it.
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
(video game)
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
is a 2002 action-adventure video game developed by WXP for the Xbox.
It was ported to the Game Boy Advance by Pocket Studios and the
PlayStation 2 and Microsoft Windows by Surreal
Software. The game was published by Vivendi Universal Games under
their Black Label Games publishing label. In North ...
Varda — Today at 5:00 PM
But if they do an awful job (RoP) it doesn't seem to do the same
thing.
[5:01 PM]
Probably still slips in some.
Arien Valar — Today at 5:01 PM
i had something like this i think when i was a kid .... i remember
playing it on the tv
so it was a long time before that ^^
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:02 PM
I know I have once played an older, topview LotR game, but I don't
remember which one...
But the one I linked was from 2002, so yeah... movie.
Varda — Today at 5:03 PM
LotRO slips in too, mainly for the world. It helps set where
everything is.
Shelob — Today at 5:03 PM
Aye.
[5:04 PM]
But I think even RoP will help reinforcing some views, as it really
does take from PJ's movies.
Varda — Today at 5:04 PM
I didn't see enough of it to really get the impressions stuck.
[5:05 PM]
Just the first two and the clips people keep putting up.
Shelob — Today at 5:05 PM
I haven't seen much of it, partially because of the bad press it was
getting, but I still have seen the images of Celebrimbor, and it is
like the elves in the movies, and therefore relatable and thus
reinforces its own image by taking so well from its predecessor.
Varda — Today at 5:08 PM
I tried to watch.
Shelob — Today at 5:09 PM
I must say at this point though, even if I could go back to the
images I had formed when I first read Lord of the Rings, I don't
really want to. The movies did so much so well that when you can see
past all the parts that were left out (and let's face it, the books
also did not tell everything), to me, it IS Lord of the Rings.
[5:10 PM]
PJ didn't take away from my imagination, he added to it in such a
way that the characters truly came alive, a world I could not only
imagine, but see, almost feel.
Varda — Today at 5:10 PM
Well said. : )
[5:12 PM]
Even the Hobbit movies did that. The books didn't give a huge amount
of differentiation between the dwarves
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:12 PM
I have looked at enough LoTR artwork online to see a wide variety of
representations of each of the characters in the books....although
quite a few artists mimic the images given to us in the movies,
there are enough other artists who have their own take on what
various characters look like. Seeing such a huge variety of
representations actually helps me keep my own mental images
available to me....
Varda — Today at 5:12 PM
Another use for artwork!
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:13 PM
Look, for example, at the LoTR artwork by Jenny
Dolfen...excellent...a not at all like the movies!
[Note: Jenny Dolfen's site: https://goldseven.wordpress.com/
and her Tolkien page: https://goldseven.wordpress.com/galleries/tolkien/
and her Aratar of the Valar page: https://goldseven.wordpress.com/2020/04/11/the-valar-lockdown-sketches/
and there are more. :) ]
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:13 PM
Hobbit Dwarves didn't do it for me. I like the book description
about the differently colored hats and coats etc, in the movie
they're just too varied.
Shelob — Today at 5:13 PM
Oh definitely! The Hobbit movies were still good, just too much of a
departure of the drama that was LotR. While the Hobbit was intended
to be a children's book, it never was a comedy, and that's where I
think the execs went horribly wrong.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:14 PM
I still see them more like Snowwhite's dwarves.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:14 PM
You cannot turn a short book, like the Hobbits, in a series of 2-3
hour long movies! OI have never even looked at "The Hobbit" movies,
and do not fell any the worse for it.
Shelob — Today at 5:14 PM
2 movies would have been fine. 3 was just too much. It got us the
weird love triangle thing. Yuck.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:15 PM
"Comedy" for The Hobbit might be a bit too strong, but there was
definitely a humorous vibe going on which I liked.
Varda — Today at 5:15 PM
The Hobbit wasn't just doing the Hobbit book, but trying to show a
lot of the appendix info that went on that Bilbo did not see. And he
was not in those scenes, kind of neat.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:15 PM
The book, I'm referring to.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:16 PM
[Note: dwarves of the Hobbit and of Snow White]
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/1099821079574347806/80774ac2c6de6bfaef542c2a7e8e2584.jpg
[Note: Theoden and Aragorn]
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/1099821079834415294/3d8983ec461574d0ee36cc2be92914fb.jpg
@Ar-Pharazon-V
I still see them more like Snowwhite's dwarves.
Shelob — Today at 5:16 PM
That would be taking things too far. Snowwhite's dwarves were more
like midgets, barely getting up to half a human's height. In the
books, Dwarves were a fair bit taller than Hobbits.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:17 PM
Well, alright, not the size then
Shelob — Today at 5:17 PM
I'd say that your third image actually gets the height fairly
correct.
I will admit they would be more like diggy diggy hole though.
[Note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0
for the Yogscast animated "Diggy Diggy Hole" ]
Which is more like Snowwhite.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:17 PM
Right
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:18 PM
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Shelob — Today at 5:18 PM
And Thorin's portrayal was just downright weird.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:18 PM
I can still recognize James Nesbitt in that image, btw.
Even if I hadn't seen the movie.
Shelob — Today at 5:19 PM
Who is James Nesbitt?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:19 PM
Bofur.
I mostly know him from Cold Feet.
Shelob — Today at 5:20 PM
Would not have recognized him from Bofur. But I do know the guy from
plenty other movies.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:20 PM
He's the left-most dwarf in that drawing.
Varda — Today at 5:20 PM
(our own Bofur in the Valar liked him)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:21 PM
That reminds me, Varda.. is Pharazon in RoP? I really should check
it out just to see what my namesake looks like
Arien Valar — Today at 5:22 PM
or he might be actually .. with this time jumping in there u
dont know
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:23 PM
Yes. Pharazon is there...a pretty impressive-looking character.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:23 PM
googles Yeah, I can live with that. Reminds me a bit of Brian
Blessed in Blackadder
Arien Valar — Today at 5:23 PM
oh he was the cuncillor wasn t he ? the speaker for all the guilds
or something like that .. sorry that was in the series not after the
book
Varda — Today at 5:24 PM
Glad someone knew. : )
Arien Valar — Today at 5:25 PM
I remember him sort of . an older guy very rich and influential
Varda — Today at 5:25 PM
Wow, never thought of him as gray/iron haired.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuglv8fXvsA
YouTube
Prime Video
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power |
Pharazôn | Prime Video
Varda — Today at 5:25 PM
Trust in me, just in me... Snake. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:26 PM
:)
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:26 PM
Ar-Pharazon makes Denethor look like an angel.
Varda — Today at 5:26 PM
Sauron really helped corrupt him.
[5:27 PM]
Just a prisoner. Advisor. Boss.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:27 PM
Yes he did...buyt he was corruptible to begin with....plus, like
Aragorn et al, Ar-Phar had NO BEARD.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:27 PM
Eminence grise.
Varda — Today at 5:27 PM
Aye, Numereans were beardless.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:27 PM
I like my - I mean his - beard
Varda — Today at 5:27 PM
Aye, Ar-Pharazon was already power-hungry, usurped the throne.
[5:28 PM]
Nice beard, Phar. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:28 PM
That hair, though. I'll take that hair.
I want to go grey like that.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:28 PM
I cannot grow one...it somes in in sploches...some here, some
there...
Varda — Today at 5:28 PM
You're part elf or Numenorean, Sandalf?
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:28 PM
No...i think it is a family thing.
Arien Valar — Today at 5:29 PM
I always had the impression that he was younger then he was pictured
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:29 PM
Well, I don't know when these scenes/this show takes place. Pharazon
was definitely younger when he went after Sauron.
[5:30 PM]
But he was nearing death when he invaded Valinor.
Varda — Today at 5:30 PM
Getting nervous, he was.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:30 PM
Indeedy.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:30 PM
The story of Ar-Pharazon sort of resembles (in broad outline) that
of Isildur, I think. But Isildur never fell nearly as far as Ar, I
suppose.
Varda — Today at 5:31 PM
Phar was quite a bit worse, seems like. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:31 PM
Spent 200 years delaying the invasion... but when the end draws
near...
Varda — Today at 5:31 PM
Our Phar is trying to redeem him.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:31 PM
To sea we go!
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:31 PM
I remember well my exchange with Ar about his decision to name
himself after Ar-Pharazon.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:31 PM
..Bah, now I want to watch this show
Varda — Today at 5:32 PM
Feel free. Report back if you like. : )
I just... couldn't.
Tried.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:32 PM
hehe
Varda — Today at 5:32 PM
Trying to stay quiet during the show. ugggghhhh
Need a gag. ; )
Shelob — Today at 5:32 PM
Well, I'm happy I was here and had some fun discussing Tolkien like
in the good old days. Love the good new days. But now, this Spidey
is going to go on her picnic with some hobbits. I mean, sleep. Yes.
Definitely sleep.
Varda — Today at 5:33 PM
Yay sleep (or relaxation). ; )
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:33 PM
Nice tasty hobbitese, is it?
Varda — Today at 5:33 PM
We are past the hour by half!
Shelob — Today at 5:33 PM
You're not supposed to encourage me Sandalf!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:33 PM
Well, I don't mind deviation from the books, honestly. I enjoyed
Game of Thrones despite being aware of the differences, I liked The
Watch even after reading the entire Discworld series, and I liked
the LotR movies too.
Varda — Today at 5:33 PM
gavels race to get past all those legs
at least some make it to the hammerpad
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:33 PM
I can easily watch a show like this and just enjoy it for what it is
without nitpicking (much).
Varda — Today at 5:34 PM
thwick thonk slide
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After-meeting!
Shelob — Today at 5:34 PM
Tries to stomp all the gavels
Varda — Today at 5:34 PM
hands you some roller skates
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:34 PM
Namarie, Shelob Sleep well in your weavy web.
Shelob — Today at 5:34 PM
Too late! I got distracted by Sandalf's juicy hobbits comment!
Varda — Today at 5:34 PM
Monster play time? : )
LotRO has that.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:35 PM
Sleep no more! Macbeth doth murder sleep, the innocent sleep, sleep
that knits the ravaged sleeve of care, the end of each days labor,
sore labour's bath, great nature's second course."
Shelob — Today at 5:35 PM
I knew I shouldn't have messed with a Wizard. Always trying to lead
you where you don't want to go.
Arien Valar — Today at 5:35 PM
Namarie shelob nice seeing u again
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:35 PM
Namarie!
Varda — Today at 5:35 PM
Namarie : )
Thank you to Fangorn for a wonderful supper!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:36 PM
(Oh, and I enjoyed the Warcraft movie as well)
Arien Valar — Today at 5:36 PM
Enjoy
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:36 PM
Sei gesund!
Arien Valar — Today at 5:36 PM
(I did as well Phari )
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:37 PM
I was in Lincoln Thursday through yesterday...saw friends and
family. Need to restock my frig, so I am off to Costco for dinner
and a few things...will check in again later. Hope everyone has a
wonderful week, and Namarie!
Arien Valar — Today at 5:37 PM
although ... old baddy as birth helper was quite amusing
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:37 PM
Namarie!
Shelob — Today at 5:38 PM
Namarie!
Arien Valar — Today at 5:38 PM
Namarie 1#
!
[5:38 PM]
I am getting sleepy as well so . namarie
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:39 PM
Namarie
Varda — Today at 5:45 PM
Rest well : )
[5:45 PM]
Enjoy your dinner!
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Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:49 PM
Speaking of Pharazon, in my upcoming horde roster, my male blood elf
demon hunter's working title is Calrazon... I want to make him as
gruff and kingly as possible :)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:52 PM
Personal gaming report:
For (non)flashgaming, I present https://www.kongregate.com/games/Rob1221/hp-atk-def
Kongregate
HP Atk Def
Collect the pickups in each level and defeat the
enemies in this grid-based puzzle game.
[6:53 PM]
Grid-based dungeon strategy game! Each level is a small dungeon with
various enemies, as well as attack/defense upgrades and health
bonuses.
Plan your way through upgrades and enemies, by calculating stats
(and/or trial and error) to make it to the stairs alive.
Sandalf13 — Today at 6:55 PM
I'm back...munching on my tasty dinner and reading...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:58 PM
Aiyata
[6:59 PM]
Anyway, after playing through the first 10 levels again, I can say
it's quite doable... but you will need a few attempts per level
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:59 PM
Heya all.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:00 PM
Aiya!
[7:01 PM]
Oh, and Kongregate-related, they're bringing back new
Kongpanions/collectible buddies, with outline previews as they did
years ago on the now-defunct forum, and I'm starting the fun
tradition of ms-painting my own designs/ideas again
Blizzard gaming:
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:01 PM
Aiya Eonwe!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:01 PM
Sorry I missed the meeting. RL and all that.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:02 PM
Well, it's kinda aftermeeting
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:03 PM
We missed you.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:03 PM
Hearthstone:
Level 41 on the reward track, with a few more packs and golden cards
as rewards.
[7:05 PM]
There's a quest event going for the expansion's launch, Legends Take
the Stage, and I'm one daily quest away from completing the track.
Interestingly it seems that after you complete the main quests, you
can get 2 daily quests a day rather than just 1, occupying both
slots.
So I should make it easily
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:05 PM
Good luck.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:05 PM
Also, got the death knight to level 28. Almost halfway!
[7:06 PM]
Brawl is an oldy, All-Star Squad. Choose one card, get 22 copies and
some random class cards.
[7:07 PM]
Since the deck recipe brawl had an interesting mage deck with a
spell that gets more powerful the more times you use it, I decided
to go with that one, Lightshow. Indeed, it works quite nicely, as it
can ramp up quickly
And thanks, Sandalf, but 1 daily quest in 8 days remaining shouldn't
require too much luck
[7:08 PM]
WoW:
[7:10 PM]
For raiding, the plan was to kill Razsageth a few more times before
the new patch comes, but with low numbers it was decided to cancel
that, so now we're raidfree until May 14th. Should give me some more
time to work on other projects in the game.
[7:11 PM]
Old-school raid is still continuing in Siege of Orgrimmar, though
the pet-droprate is woefully low still and we're contemplating
moving on to another raid after almost a year of going there. I also
unlocked my last weapon appearance from there, the wand, on my mage,
so I'm a few cloth pieces away from being done with appearances
there myself. We'll see what we decide! If nothing else, my own last
missing pet comes from the 4th boss, so it shouldn't take too long
to solo that if need be.
[7:12 PM]
Another timewalk weekly, another duplicate reward for it But
still, fun was had!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:12 PM
As well as the pet battle weekly, which as always went pretty
smoothly with my team of 3 winter veil gnomes.
[7:13 PM]
Also, through brawl, honor level 108 was reached.
[7:14 PM]
Completed the 1000 trading points through mage questing and the last
few Dragonflight raidbosses. Had to use LFR for those last 2, since
we started our break. But I went for the last wing to get a bit of a
challenge, so that was fun
[7:15 PM]
And with the 1000 points, got 500 more tender for the trading post,
as well as unlocking two nightelf/Elune based swords. Though I'm not
sure if I actually have any one-handed sword-using elves in my
roster
[7:16 PM]
Actually my Demon Hunter night elfess might. I'm not sure what they
use other than glaives.
[7:18 PM]
I found, while catching up with MMOchampion news, that the werebear
form for druid is getting more combat animations. Since I like to
switch up cat and bearform for every major patch anyway, I decided
to grab a version of that for bear for 10.1, and a nice orange
almost firey color for cat. They should fit Zaralek Caverns well
enough.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:21 PM
And finally, questing! More mage questing this week.
[7:23 PM]
She finished up the House of Constructs, freeing the Kyrian
Construct and using it to take down one of the Construct Barons.
Then she helped out a Broker with rescuing books from the Sepulcher
of Knowledge, before visiting the House of Plagues, where she helped
out with making a potion as well as going through the Mixing
Monstrosities optional questline.
[7:25 PM]
After that Caldaera visited the Maw to free the missing Baron from
the House of the Chosen, meeting the broker Ve'nari for the first
time. And after a brief confrontation with Vyraz, the traitor Baron,
she opened up the Seat of the Primus, completing the Maldraxxus
storyline.
[7:26 PM]
Next week, she'll return to Oribos to pass on the Primus' message,
and enter Ardenweald! Doesn't seem the right place for a fire mage,
but I'm sure they'll appreciate her help anyway.
Quests should be getting green again at this point, after Maldraxxus
being full of grey quests, so hopefully she'll pick up some more xp
again along the way.
[7:27 PM]
And that's my report for the week
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:27 PM
Bravo! Encore! Encore! :}
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:27 PM
bows
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:33 PM
Thank you for your detailed report, as always! Good luck with
everything that you do. Sei gesund!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:33 PM
You too!
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:33 PM
Namarie, until next week...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:33 PM
Namarie
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:36 PM
Sleep well Sandalf.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:40 PM
I'll be off too. Namarie!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:40 PM
Sleep well Phar.
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