May 22, 2022 Sunday
Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings
Time
Discord: Valar
Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Pallando,
Sandalf13, Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
World of
Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online,
Overwatch, Hearthstone, Eve Online
Tolkien:
Sandalf's discoveries while hunting down a
citation for a Tolkien article.
Arien found a stack answer link for creation
myths that JRRT might have known.
Topic:
Intro attempt
Topic discussion: What examples can
we show where JRRT used myth/folklore references to explain
natural phenomena?
After-meeting:
(non)Flashgaming
Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.
Links to the place showing why the link is
in the chat:
Links:
tracking down citation for a Tolkien article
Link: stackanswer -
are-there-real-world-creation-myths-that-inspired-the-silmarillion
Link: music: Runrig
- Protect And Survive
Link: music: - Legends Never
Die
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Before-meeting
Varda 05/22/2022
Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Aiya!
Varda 05/22/2022
@Bounder Hurray! Time to say hi, chat gaming and Tolkien!
[4:01 PM]
Good to see you, Phar. : )
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
Aiya
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Aiya Pallando and Arien!
Varda 05/22/2022
The Blue Wizard arrived! Must be the right time!
[4:01 PM]
Aiya Sunshine : )
[4:02 PM]
So you lit the way here?
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
yes my lightbulb went on :)
Varda 05/22/2022
hehe
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:02 PM]
Membership:
[4:03 PM]
Fangorn and Sauron and Gimli are here. Elwing expects to be here
tomorrow.
[4:03 PM]
Fangorn's birthday is the 25th and he'll be 69 years young. Never
guess it to see him.
[4:03 PM]
Any other membership news?
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Fladrif spotted, last online 1 day ago.
Varda 05/22/2022
yay!
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Happy Birthday to Fangorn :}
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
happy birthday , Fangorn
Varda 05/22/2022
Thanks! Must be one of those good months for birthdays.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Happy birthday!
Varda 05/22/2022
We just had Phars's and Flad's : )
[4:04 PM]
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Web:
[4:05 PM]
Nothing reportable. Funny how we used to have something weekly.
I'll have to go back to bugging people. : )
[4:05 PM]
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Gaming:
[4:06 PM]
Feel free to bring in your gaming bit during that game's comments,
or after if missed!
[4:06 PM]
And hi to Eonwe too!
[4:07 PM]
And.. tosses the gavel a few city-lengths over the table to
Eonwe
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Juggles gavel, breathes some fire, swallows a sword, then gets
around to giving Gaming News.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
You know how it works with me with stories , articles and such . i
have to feel like it or something has to strike me like a
lightning from above but once i ll get going it is fairly fast ..
and i owe you something for last anniversary as well
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Gaming:
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
so it s not forgotten
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
World of Warcraft:
This week's Bonus Event: Arena Skirmishes.
The PvP Brawl: Cooking Impossible runs through Tuesday, May 24th.
The Torghast Event: Chorus of Dead Souls is going through May
24th.
Check out Warcraft News and Development Updates. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23801630/world-of-warcraft-news-and-development-updates
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft News and Development Updates
- WoW
Catch up on the latest World of Warcraft
release dates, news, hotfixes, and more.
[4:08 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23770463/hotfixes-may-17-2022
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: May 17, 2022 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
[4:08 PM]
Lord of the Rings
Online:
Update 33.0.4 came out this week. ---
https://www.lotro.com/update-notes/lotro-update-33-0-4-release-notes-en
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 33.0.4 Release Notes
Here are the Release Notes for Update 33.0.4,
released on Wednesday, May 18th, 2022.
[4:09 PM]
Overwatch:
There's a Developer Blog up for the Overwatch 2 PvP Beta wrapup.
---
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23787374/a-new-journey-is-right-around-the-corner-overwatch-2-pvp-beta-wrap-up/
Overwatch
A New Journey is Right Around the Corner:
Overwatch 2 PvP Beta Wrap-Up
Our first Overwatch 2 PvP Beta has ended!
[4:09 PM]
Hearthstone:
Patch 23.2.2 is out. ---
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23797162/23-2-2-patch-notes
23.2.2 Patch Notes
Patch 23.2.2 brings bug fixes and balance
changes to Battlegrounds and Standard!
Varda 05/22/2022
(You owe us nothing! But we appreciate the offer for the future,
Arien!)
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
My Gaming News is done :}
Varda 05/22/2022
Thank you, Eonwe. That was fast!
[4:10 PM]
A bit for LotRO:
[4:10 PM]
Landroval server:
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Ioreth
Nar
Thranduil
Tulkas
Varda
Anor server:
Eonwe
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax server:
Varda
Treebeard server:
Varda
[4:10 PM]
Also, I've been trying out the lore-master again. Interesting.
[4:10 PM]
Pallando, you had some comments?
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
Eve Online: No official news of any sort recently. Likely
some weeks or months before we see anything of note from Fanfest.
Varda 05/22/2022
But of note from you on what you're up to? : )
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
Personally, we're involved in a nice big war, defending some
innocent miners from a whole bunch of ne'er-do-wells. We had a
fight just last week where we showed them what-for.
https://br.evetools.org/br/6286c459c1d290020bcd21a1
Battle Report
Bei (Metropolis)
2022-05-19, 22:10 ET
Battle involved 122 pilots who lost a total of
28.3b isk
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Aiya all!
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
The situation keeps evolving, so we'll see how it goes.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Aiya!
[4:13 PM]
Defending miners from evil raiders. I think I've seen movies like
that.
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
As ever, if you want to try out Eve with some good people, we're
recruiting.. We even have a sizable EU contingent these
days!
Varda 05/22/2022
Aiya Sandalf : )
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
A bit Magnificent Seven like.
Varda 05/22/2022
Interesting! Thanks, Pallando!
[4:14 PM]
I hope our Sauron manages to keep mining ok too. : )
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
(if you don't want to fly with us, I do also maintain a Valar
Guild corporation if you want to stick to that. :))
Varda 05/22/2022
Tougher to put one character in one and one in the other in Eve.
Pretty much need to stick to a main.
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
It's hard to play both with a single account.
Varda 05/22/2022
Aye : )
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
Putting characters is easy, and I multibox myself, but I've been
very careful to keep VG away from my other activities.
Varda 05/22/2022
Good to know.
Pallando-Valar 05/22/2022
that's it for me
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
I have started playing LoTRO on the Landroval server. Varda is a
big help.
Varda 05/22/2022
Thank you.
[4:19 PM]
And thank you, Sandalf.
[4:20 PM]
About LotRO, here is something like a giant manual for
help:
https://lotro-wiki.com/
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Thanks! Got it, and copied it to Notepad.
Varda 05/22/2022
This other site is amazing for locating stuff when it just doesn't
want to be found. Has drop boxes on the left and right for macro
and micro-finding:
[4:21 PM]
https://dynmap.ruslotro.com/
Lord of the Rings Online - Dynamic Map
The Lord of the Rings Online Dynamic Map
That should be enough to make Hermione feel loaded down. : )
Any other gaming news? Membership, or just comments? Need invites?
[4:23 PM]
Ok, then on to...
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Tolkien!
[4:23 PM]
If you have a topic or question, go ahead and mention it now. And
the RP story. I have a topic ready to go.
Sandalf13
05/22/2022
I do have a note to make to the Group: I was talking with Varda
last week and informed her that I was tracking down a
citation to use in the Intro to my book on Tolkien. I found an
interesting website sponsored by Swiss Info, a government
agency, and found an really neat article
about Tolkien's visits to der Schweiz when he was 19 years old.
They actually have a Tolkien Museum in the mountains that claims
it hgas over 30,000 Tolkien related items. I did manage to
converse with Frau Honegger in German, and I got the citation
information. Funny: I made my first trip to Switzerland when I was
19 years old also on my way to my Geology Field Camp in the
Bavarian Alps with the Free University of Berlin.. Zurich is
fascinating....and the food is good too.
Varda 05/22/2022
hehe
[4:27 PM]
Sounds like an amazing place.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Maybe I can dig out some old photos and post them here sometime.
It was a long time ago..1970 summer....52 years ago.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
1970 was a good year
[4:29 PM]
I e
[4:29 PM]
was born that year
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Yay!
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
1970 brought us good things!
Varda 05/22/2022
That was definitely a good year.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
As a matter of fact, this is just about the time that I was
arriving in Oberstdorf, to begin the field camp. My Professor was
Herr Doktor Leidholz, who is still alive, I believe, and his
associate was Herr Doktor Doktor von Gocht, who had TWO PhDs.
Varda 05/22/2022
Impressive
[4:35 PM]
Ok, here's a Tolkien topic to
play with:
[4:35 PM]
JRRT's intention was to make an explanation for his languages,
combining that with his desire to create a mythology/folklore for
England since it had none of its very own.
[4:36 PM]
Such a thing gives supernatural or odd (to us) explanations
for why things are as they are.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
nn
Varda 05/22/2022
Why does the moon move differently than the sun, and not follow
the same steady path.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
nn
Varda 05/22/2022
Good night, Sandalf.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
namarie!
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
No! That was an accident! I was swatting at an escaped noodle from
my Korean Nangsum Glass Noodle Bowl, and it landed on the "n" key.
Sprry!
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
:)
Varda 05/22/2022
heh, no worries! catch the noodle!
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
I did...and it has met its fate.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
It tried to escape.. and failed.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
There is NO escaping the mouth of Sandalf.
Varda 05/22/2022
hah! The End of the Noodle
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Are any of you familiar with the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
[4:42 PM]
And his Noodly Appendage?
Varda 05/22/2022
Heard of.
[4:42 PM]
And did you see the intended topic? That kind of fits into
folklore there. : )
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Yes it does. Tolkien wanted to write a Kalevala (?) for England.
[4:43 PM]
And the Finns are certainly back in the news these days.
Varda 05/22/2022
That sort of thing, yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Heard of it, and I think I even saw it in a videogame. The
spaghetti monster, that is.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Here is a link to a paper I wrote for the Science Creative
Quarterly (Vancouver, British Columbia) in support of the FSM:
[4:48 PM]
https://www.scq.ubc.ca/on-the-potential-presence-of-beer-or-beer-like-liquids-in-or-resulting-from-volcanic-emanations/
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
That explains why we humans like beer
Varda 05/22/2022
Next we will be able to explain carbonated beverages with their
CO2. : )
[4:51 PM]
Thank you for sharing that paper. : )
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Was there a question there, Varda?
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
So the primordial soup was.. beer?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
I'm not sure if we were waiting for a question or just meant to
throw out thoughts.
Varda 05/22/2022
I'll try again.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Quite possibly.
[4:52 PM]
I sincerely apologize for the digression. One never knows where a
noodle will take you.
Varda 05/22/2022
What examples can we show where JRRT used myth/folklore references
to explain natural phenomena?
[4:53 PM]
Those noodles! And my fault for not putting it properly into
question form.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Atalant๋/The sinking of Numenor, making the world from flat to
round.
Varda 05/22/2022
Aye
[4:55 PM]
Good one
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Not exactly a "natural" phenomena, but meant to indicate a change
from the "mythical" world of the past to the "natural" world of
the present.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Well, your sun and moon were indeed good examples, using trees and
fruits and boats to put lights in the air.
[4:56 PM]
One could add the morning star as well, using Aerendil (spelling
optional) as an explanation for that one bright star calling us to
the west.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Earendil.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Thanks
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
You weren't that Phar off (waits for it....).
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
some versions have that, some have an e in there...
[4:56 PM]
har har har
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
:}
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
dragons and their treasures are taken from mythology as well
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
I sees an opportunity for a pun, I takes it :}
Varda 05/22/2022
The dawn is the bird form of Elwing rising to meet her husband in
the sky as he approaches, as he is Earendil the Morning Star.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Gandalf....very closely modeled on Odin, otherwise known as
Illuvatar (sp). Both were "killed" in order to achieve greater
wisdom.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
How does that relate to a natural phenomenon? The dragons and
treasures?
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
that was a misreading of the question sorry .. i thought ift was
mythology in Tolkien s middlearth in general
Varda 05/22/2022
Swamp lights: they give a dim light from the illusory bodies from
a great battle in the past. Don't look!
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
I'm curious about the Dawn one. Did that connection come up in the
story? (edited)
Varda 05/22/2022
Yes.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
but if you like .. dragons as origin for a firestorm that
destroyed a wooden town ...
[5:02 PM]
a firestorm can be natural but if a dragon is the cause it is not
natural so .. probably not
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
I'm going to have to reread that Earendil/Elwing section of the
Sil.
Varda 05/22/2022
Always a good thing to do. : )
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Don't forget that the Dark Elf wanted to throw Earendil over the
walls of Gondolin, just like the Greeks threw the little son of
the King of Troy over the wall in the Trojan Women. Sad.
Varda 05/22/2022
I may have to also, as the HoMe tends to mix into my memory.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Tolkien knew his Greek Mythology as well.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
I'm thinking of ents. Changing pathways within forests. I know
people simply get lost these days while the paths tend to remain
the same, but there is that sensation of the forest ganging up on
you, and I like the idea of huorns just moving unseen
Varda 05/22/2022
There are places, like on a hill, where the grass grows tall and
green when the surrounding areas are not like that. Thus we have
several places where these are described as burial grounds for
heroes.
[5:07 PM]
Flowers that only grow in special places, and explanations for
that.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Aye, but some of it would also make sense without necessarily
knowing the Greek mythology. If you have a castle and you're up on
a wall, one solution leads the villain to be able to say "oops, he
just kind of fell off" and the other is "oops, my sword has all
this red stuff on it and everyone saw me do it". (edited)
[5:09 PM]
I've read a few different versions of the Fall of Gondolin more
recently than the Sil version, so I don't recall how discreet
Maeglin was necessarily trying to be off the top of my head, heh.
(edited)
Varda 05/22/2022
heh
[5:09 PM]
Don't think he really wanted seen.
[5:10 PM]
In Middle-earth, we see great mountains and valleys and bodies of
water that are said to be put there in those weird formations due
to fights between the great Powers that formed the world.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Aye, that's a good one. I liked the mention of flowers growing in
special places as well, btw, just got sidetracked before I could
mention that one was a good one.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
the act of creation through song
Varda 05/22/2022
Aye Arien : )
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Uinen's hair = seaweed as I recall.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
i came across this interesting article on quick browsing on google
Varda 05/22/2022
The words, letters, songs, waters having power left from the time
of song creation.
Arien Valar
05/22/2022
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/15780/are-there-real-world-creation-myths-that-inspired-the-silmarillion#:~:text=In%20J.R.R.%20Tolkien%27s%20The%20Silmarillion%2C%20the%20creation%20myth,that%20use%20music%20as%20a%20metaphor%20for%20creation%3F
Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange
Are there real world creation myths that
inspired The Silmarillion?
In J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, the
creation myth is based on music - the creation of elves, etc. are
new themes in the music, the "devil" introduces discords that are
then used to develop the
Varda 05/22/2022
Aye, Eonwe
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
on the topic
Varda 05/22/2022
: )
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Right on.
[5:12 PM]
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
There were also some inland seas formed when big pillars of ice
collapsed, but since the seas themselves are fictional I'm not
sure if this was meant to be an explanation for a real life
feature.
Varda 05/22/2022
It was for the locals in the story.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Though on a smaller scale I do suppose there are features caused
by glaciers retreating/melting that might inspire such stories.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Tolkien was very familiar with glacial phenomena, growing up near
Birmingham, that, located in the West Midlands county, was covered
by the Denisovian Glacier (the last European glacier corresponding
to the Wisconsin Glaciation in N.A.)
[5:18 PM]
Sorry...my fingers are not working today. It was the Devensian
Glaciation.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
don t worry Sandalf i get that all the time
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Thanks!@
Varda 05/22/2022
Manwe was famous for typing too fast and making lots of typos,
even though his spelliing was normally good. : )
[5:19 PM]
We are fortunate here to have an edit.
[5:20 PM]
Do any of you still remember Manwe-(Valar)? (not a pop quiz, just
wondering)
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Did the Valar have laptops? he he
Varda 05/22/2022
The Valar could move things with their minds and think to each
other without speech. So maybe mental internet, yes. : )
[5:21 PM]
Headtops?
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
oh Eonwe as messenger of Manwe as was Hermes the messenger for
Odin .. storms and floods as expressions of the wrath of a god
Varda 05/22/2022
Aye. Osse was the Maiar who did the storms at sea.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Osse still causes problems...i can tell you.
Varda 05/22/2022
He was one of the very few or the only one that returned to the
Valar after going to follow Morgoth for a time. Seems to have left
him slightly unstable.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Elves could think to eachother too.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Mental smartphones.
[5:22 PM]
At limited range, I suppose.
Varda 05/22/2022
Thus the need for Uinen, the Maia who calms him, and another use
of her seaweed net hair to help calm the ocean.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Supposedly humans could, but harder for them. Things more easily
get in the way of it for humans.
[5:23 PM]
Nature of Middle-Earth goes into it pretty well.
Varda 05/22/2022
True. There's a scene in the RotK where Galadriel, Gandalf, and
Elrond I believe were chatting away telepathically on the way back
from the War of the Ring.
@Ar-Pharazon-V
At limited range, I suppose.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Telepathy was not limited by distance.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
I think that only some of the Elves could mindspeak..notably the
"higher" Elves, such as Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan, and so on. I am
not sure that the laughing and singing Elves of The Hobbit were
able to do so. And Certainly some of the "higher" humans, like
Aragorn, had a slight ability in this area as well. Notably, for
example, Aragorn's great empathy.
Varda 05/22/2022
Aragorn had a tad of Maia blood just to complicate things.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Nature of Middle-Earth :}
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Of course.
Varda 05/22/2022
So that's more of the myth/folklore explaining why some had
greater height, beauty, skill, whatever. Had elven or Maia blood
in their ancestry.
[5:26 PM]
And yes, we see that in the Greek and Roman tales as well, and
reasons why they should be rulers.
[5:27 PM]
I have five adults to feed. : ) So the gavel must come down,
but chatting can continue as long as you like!
[5:27 PM]
gavel finishes gluing glitter on itself to look mythologic
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Sorry, was looking for the passage in NoME.
Varda 05/22/2022
thwop
[5:27 PM]
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After-meeting!
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
But I found this along the way, so I'm going to quote it and you
all are just going to have to read it :}
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
The reason I mentioned range was because I assumed telepathic
conversations might be easier when you're next to someone, facing
them, and also that we have no evidence of Elves in Middle-earth
making telepathic contact with Valinor or Eressea.
Varda 05/22/2022
Please do let us see that! And you know I will read it later!
[5:28 PM]
I will be gone part of this week so the transcript may be delayed.
Good thoughts.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Alright, enjoy the food, Varda!
Varda 05/22/2022
Right after I make it. ; )
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Enjoy dinner with your huge brood! Have a great week!
Varda 05/22/2022
There may have been a problem getting through the mists over the
rocks with perhaps some magic encircling Valinor as defense.
[5:29 PM]
You too!
[5:30 PM]
Hordes of (those living around) Taniquetil surround the
mountain. (edited)
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
"The Eldar believed that 'spirits', and the more so as they had
greater inherent native powers, could 'emit' their influence to
make contact with or act upon things exterior to themselves:
primarily and most easily upon other spirits, or upon the f๋ar of
Incarnates, but also in the case of the greater Mayar (of whom the
Valar were the chief) directly upon the physical things without
the mediacy of corporeal instruments.
[5:31 PM]
This direct action upon things was held to be quite different from
direct calling of attention from other spirits. The latter was a
natural operation within one mode of being, it being of the
nature of spirits to be aware of one another. The former was an
exhalation of dominance of one mode over another; and according to
the Eldar all exertions of dominace make demands upon those who
exert the power - something of their "spirit" is expelled, and
transferred to the thing in a lower mode.
Varda 05/22/2022
(Sauron's fea carrying the One Ring with it after disembodiment
the first time)
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Hence all tyrants slowly consume themselves, or transfer their
power to things, and can only control it so long as they can
[?possess or control the thing with its?] but power is dissipated.
So Morgoth had become in fact less powerful than the other Valar,
and much of his native power had passed into things [? ?diminished
?] Hence his malice could live on after his extrusion."
[5:34 PM]
I tried to quote as closely to the exact as possible. Disregarding
any potential typos, only difference should be the last two chunks
should be one paragraph.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Morgoth's Ring.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
So it is something one would not want to do too often, ay?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
and maybe a diacritical over a letter in "Mayar"
[5:35 PM]
Aye.
OK, here we go Osanwe-kenta.
[5:36 PM]
"Enquiry into the Communication of Thought"
I'm going to pick a few choice phrases to give the idea. It's too
much to sit here and quote it all.
[5:38 PM]
"Men(my note: as in => Mankind) have the same faculty as the
Quendi, but it is in itself weaker, and is weaker in operation
owing to the strength of the hroa, over which most men have small
control by the will."
[5:39 PM]
"[A mind] cannot perceive more than the existence of another mind
except by the will of both parties."
[5:42 PM]
Where G = "Guest" and H = "Host" minds:
"Openness is the natural or simple state of a mind that is not
otherwise engaged... Nonetheless any mind may be closed. This
requires an act of conscious will. It may be made against G,
against G and some others, or be a total retreat into privacy."
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
What is Osanwe-kenta? Do you have a reference for this work?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
The Nature of Middle-Earth
[5:43 PM]
The book I was referring to.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
It almost sounds like something out of the Lion King. he he
Eonw๋ Valar
05/22/2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nature_of_Middle-earth
The Nature of Middle-earth
The Nature of Middle-earth is a 2021 book of
previously unpublished materials on Tolkien's legendarium,
compiled and edited by the scholar Carl F. Hostetter.
Some essays were previously published in the
Elvish linguistics journal Vinyar Tengwar, where Hostetter is a
long-time editor.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Ah! Thank you for the reference!
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
MP.
[5:46 PM]
Thought communication is dimmed by bodies (that of G as well
as that of H), but can be strengthened by Affinity, Urgency, and
Authority
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
MP = my pleasure?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Aye.
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Again thanks.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
... MP :}
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
member of parliament?
[5:46 PM]
multiplayer?
[5:46 PM]
mana points?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
My (little) Pony ? :}
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
(electro)magnetic pulse?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
I'm told friendship is magic :}
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
It is! That's why the Elements of Harmony were so powerful.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Actually, that reminds me that somewhere in the etymologies, I'm
fairly certain I saw the word "bronie". I don't rememeber what it
means, but there you go :}
[5:48 PM]
But back to my paraphrasing:
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Wait what, in Tolkien's etymologies?
[5:49 PM]
Interesting.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Aye, HoME V
[5:49 PM]
I've been spending too much time in there :}
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
hehe
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
A Bronie is a male fan of My Little Pony.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Affinity could be kinship, love , friendship, that kind of thing.
So siblings, cousins, lovers would have a stronger tie for thought
communication.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
I know, I am/was one (haven't spent that much time on it in the
last couple years).
[5:50 PM]
But I meant within Tolkien's languages.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Yes it is, Sandalf :} I meant it's a Tolkien word too, and I don't
remember what that word means :}
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Sounds Scottish...maybe Arien knows something?
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Hmm, well, back to the original topic, Eonwe, they do say twins
can seem to be more in sync or even almost telepathic...
[5:51 PM]
So this affinity might be used as explanation
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
nope Sandalf .. but i ll google it
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Urgency would be need of G, so if someone is in trouble, that
gives them a boost in signal too.
[5:52 PM]
Authority should be self explanatory.
[5:53 PM]
So an older relative in great need would get through to their
younger relative easier than a random person who just wants the
latest sports scores.
[5:54 PM]
But it still comes down the the recipient being interested in
getting the message from the sender.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
now Sandalf apparently bronie is polish for weapon which i didnt
know but Tolkien might have known
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
I don't think that Tolkien was familiar with My Litte Pony, so if
he used the term "Bronie," it had to have been something he had
seen before.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
And a powerful weapon we can be indeed... cough
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Language also became a barrier because the more you're used to
talking, the less you're used to transmitting thought.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
and the other meaning of bronie should be known to
Phari cough
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Does my Discord avatar give it away?
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
He he.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
"Distance in itself offers no impedement whatsoever to osanw๋."
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Anyway, so blocking someone telepathically would be similar to
blocking someone in social media, or "ghosting" them?
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
And that's the important parts for now :}
[5:57 PM]
More like hearing someone ringing your doorbell and not coming to
the door, or checking your caller id on a phone ring and saying
"Nope, not gonna pick it up."
[5:57 PM]
You know they want to talk, you just don't care.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
in Darkovan society it is elemental for teenagers or children to
learn to block others out or shield themsellves other wise they
can go mad or dangerously ill and die from it but . that is
another franchise ..
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
In any case, it seems like an ability Mel Gibson might have found
useful in What Women Want...
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Ok, now i'm done with that and moved to bronie. Here you go Phar:
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
I need to move on to getting ready for the week ahead. For my
weather report from the Great Plains, it was 94 Degs F on
Thursday, 70 on Friday, and this morning it was 34 degs F...with
some snow flakes. There is a big fire out in western NE...the Road
201 fire. Picture attached.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/978069454569242655/Wildfire_NE_May_2022_Road_201_East_Fire.jpg
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Eek.
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
bronie is Old Noldorin for "last, endure, survive". Enjoy :}
[5:59 PM]
Ouch.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Bronies never die!
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Thanks for the definition!
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
yip Protect and survive nods wisely even Runrig knew that
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
To give you some scale, Nebraska is almost 2/3 the size of all of
Germany, and has a pop. of 1.8 million people...less than Queens
County in New YOrk City.
Arien Valar
05/22/2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-EBXxdni7U
YouTube
Paulo Soto
Runrig - Protect And Survive - Live at Stirling
Castle
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Is that the famous Stirling Caste of the Scottish Rebellion?
[6:01 PM]
A la "The Scottish Chiefs?"
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fOBgosDo7s
YouTube
Rare Vibes
Legends Never Die (Lyrics) Ft. Against The
Current
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
that might well be . the battle of Stirling and nearby Bannockburn
are certainly connected with rebellions
[6:03 PM]
or Stirling Bridge i should say
it is a wonderful place
[6:04 PM]
and a more legendary backdrop for those concerts
[6:06 PM]
lt is bedtime for me though
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
namarie, then
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
have fun and sweet dreams when they find you
Sandalf13 05/22/2022
Sei gesund and namarie, Arien! Always a pleasure..and I am
toddling off too. Namarie all.
Arien Valar 05/22/2022
Namarie
Eonw๋ Valar 05/22/2022
Sleep well :}
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Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Personal gaming report!
[6:47 PM]
For (non)flashgaming... I'll give you
https://www.kongregate.com/games/bontegames/black
Kongregate
black
Black, another puzzle game for you!
Can you make the screen black in all 25 levels?
Each level has its own logic.
You can also get the FREE mobile version wi...
[6:48 PM]
A puzzle game, part of a color-themed series, where you have to
turn each level black... after figuring out the mechanics in each
level
[6:48 PM]
Not too difficult, but a fun time-waster.
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
Blizzard gaming:
[7:00 PM]
Hearthstone:
71 on the reward track. Getting slow-ish, but still plenty of time
left.
[7:02 PM]
Got my last cardback for gold! The League of Explorers cardback
makes my collection... well, not quite complete, but I got all the
ones they made available for gold. Hopefully they'll do the same
for other hero skins and card backs in the future
[7:03 PM]
Not sure what I'm going to spend my gold on now. I kinda like the
idea of getting my mercenary packs from quest rewards instead,
since it's actually picking up a bit.
Maybe I'll save for the eventual mini-set, or even other 3000 gold
offers they might get like they had with Drek'thar.
[7:04 PM]
I took a look at the gold-card versions of minisets they put on
offer recently, but while you could buy the normal sets for gold,
the golden versions require real money. So that's not
happening!
I'll find somewhere to spend my fortune, I guess.
[7:06 PM]
With all classes at level 60, I got started with focusing on
classes with the least wins, that currently being rogue and
warrior. And... those age-old basic sets I have for them are
pretty bad now indeed. But rather than improve them in ways I'm
not sure of (internet might help?) I just keep playing them while
my matchmaking rating plummets... it does feel rather rockbottom
at the moment, but I am getting wins, and both classes are about
to reach 300
[7:08 PM]
Tavern brawl is Fury of Kael'thas, with each third spell you cast
costing 0 mana. Got myself a nice mage deck with some reasonable
cheap spells and a few heavy ones. The Drakefire Amulet, discover
and summon 2 dragons, is one of my favorites there... at one point
with the coin on my side I got to put that down on my first turn,
and opponent conceded right away
[7:10 PM]
For mercenaries, been leveling a few more. Kazakus and Eudora got
their first levels, Sneed made it to max level, and through coins
I got everyone's favorite alliance
admiral-who-should-have-been-raidboss-by-now, Sky Admiral Rogers.
[7:11 PM]
I wonder if she'll have a role to play in the WoW pre-patch events
in Stormwind, or even follow Garrosh's example and become a
surprise antagonist in Dragonflight. She can't be happy with the
current ceasefire.
[7:12 PM]
Anyway,
WoW:
[7:15 PM]
In heroic raiding, Lihuvim down! That's the first end of wing
boss, and we've started working on the other one, Halondrus.
Tankwise we seem to be getting things under control, but damage
can be heavy, so we need to avoid more! We have reached phase 3 a
couple of times, though, so hopefully it won't take long.
[7:16 PM]
Weekly is arena skirmishes, which I'm still doing in bear. Not
always smooth, but working so far.
[7:17 PM]
Got a new appearance in Torghast from a floor 5 boss, Shoulder of
Vehement Slicing. There's a ton of shoulder appearances to get
through Torghast, and they all have this metallic spiky theme...
but still nice to have!
[7:18 PM]
Finally a bit of time for alting! Got my mage to 48 through
Stormheim, making her eligible for Shadowlands.
[7:19 PM]
I cleared out her bags a bit and sent her to Stormwind, where
she's ready to start the introduction and head off into the Maw.
Maybe she'll get to set the place on fire during next week
And that's my report for the week!
Ar-Pharazon-V 05/22/2022
namarie!
Varda 05/22/2022
Thanks, Phar
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