March 13, 2022
Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings
Time
Discord: Valar
Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
Attending (and typed): (7)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon,
Eonwe (presiding Tolkien), Pallando, Sandalf13, Shelob, Varda
(presiding first part)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
World of
Warcraft, Eve Online,
Overwatch, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Lord of the Rings
Online, Minecraft
Tolkien:
Topic: The War of Wrath is
over, Eonwë and the Armies of the Valar are victorious, and Maglor
and Maedhros are contemplating the fulfillment of their oath.
Topic (during
After-meeting): Last Days of Numenor
After-meeting:
(non)Flashgaming
Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.
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Before-meeting
Varda
— Today at 1:18 PM
Daylight Savings Time means the meeting seems to start one hour
earlier today.
Varda — Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya
[4:01 PM]
@Bounder Daylight Savings Time, so everthing happens 1 hour
earlier for Valarites! Surprise, it's meeting time. : ) Drop
by and say hi!
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:01 PM
Aiya! I have 1600 on my watch and on my laptop.
Varda — Today at 4:02 PM
Very good : )
[4:02 PM]
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:02 PM]
Membership:
[4:02 PM]
Good to see you, Sandalf. : ) Be interesting to see when the
others make it in today!
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:02 PM
I hope that they do! What do our international participants do?
Varda — Today at 4:03 PM
I will probably not make it to the next Sunday meeting, but
there's a chance.
[4:03 PM]
Our internationals may show up one hour late, since their clocks
change a different week.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:04 PM
I will be leaving for New York this Friday for a business meetring
on 23 March...plus some other things to do there, such as visit
cemeteries, visit cousins, and so on. I will probably be
driving...still cheaper than flying and renting a car in NY. But I
will be able to get online on Sunday at meeting time...
Varda — Today at 4:05 PM
Sounds good all around.
[4:05 PM]
Fangorn and I have been using wheels instead of wings too. Seems
like a good idea even with higher gas prices.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:07 PM
You always know you will get there. LAst October, before I got
active in Valar Guild, I tried to visit my sister in Anaheim, CA,
flying out of K.C....about 3.5 hours from here. K.C. is much
better to fly out of than Omaha or Lincoln. K.C. is big enough to
have lots of direcct flights...nevertheless, I got stuck in that
Southwest Airlines snafu in October. I spend all day traveling to
Dallas, and finally decided to go back to K.C. where I had to
spend the night instead of Anaheim! I got $500 of travel coupons
from my K.C. experience, but I have not tried to fly since then.
Varda — Today at 4:08 PM
Ugh
Then American Airlines had the same snafu.
[4:08 PM]
So, aye, just avoiding the various messes.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:09 PM
YEs. Perhaps you have no idea what it feels like to STAND 2.5
hours in a line, waiting for an agent to tell you they can't get
you out of Dallas (to ANaheim) until Tuesday...and this is
Saturday night. I asked where I could stay, and they told me the
airport lobby was staying open to accommodate stranded SWA
passengers. Great.
Varda — Today at 4:09 PM
ack!
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:09 PM
Oh well. Maybe someday I will use my $500 in SWA travel
credits...but not this trip!
Varda — Today at 4:09 PM
Food court dining, if lucky, heh
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:10 PM
Yes. Plus...sleeping on the hard floor? No blankets? No pad? For
three nights? Forget it.
Varda — Today at 4:11 PM
Tile or paint on cold hard concrete.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:12 PM
As long as we are the only people here for NOW, here is an update:
I am making good progress on Chapter Three. I am working my way
through pegmatites and hydrothermal solution deposits...you will
see why that is critical to getting a handle on Middle-earth
geology...and hope to have my copy ready to send off for geologic
review before I send it to you. I do not want to embarrass any of
my geology buddies...even the Amoeba People.
[4:12 PM]
It is all int eh jewels....beryl, included.
Varda — Today at 4:12 PM
The Amoeba People? : )
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:13 PM
Yes...they are the folks who did "Here Come the Geologists" that I
sent to the group more than a few weeks ago....along with the
video on hammer safety.
Varda — Today at 4:14 PM
ahh right! : )
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:14 PM
Of course, I suspect it would be hard to embarrass the Amoeba
People.
[4:14 PM]
I do use an Estwing hammer, by the way.
Varda — Today at 4:15 PM
I use a claw hammer. ; )
[4:15 PM]
ok, maybe a pick hammer.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:15 PM
Not on rocks, surely? Remember those guys who lost an eye through
INCORRECT HAMMER USE ON ROCKS!!!!!
Varda — Today at 4:15 PM
I do. Reason for the smiley.
[4:15 PM]
More likely a shovel for rocks, or prybar. I'd be hunting lizards,
snakes, crawlies.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:16 PM
Do you use them for bait?
[4:16 PM]
Do you have cotton mouths in your yard?
Varda — Today at 4:17 PM
We used to have copperheads but wiped them out pronto.
[4:18 PM]
Bait? heh. Used to check for what type of critter lived there,
maybe take a specimen.
Shelob — Today at 4:18 PM
Poor Snakesies.
Varda — Today at 4:18 PM
Copperheads are not nice in your backyard with the kids and pets.
They give no warning and are quick to anger.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:18 PM
Aiya Shelob!!!
[4:18 PM]
:)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:18 PM
Aiya folks!
Varda — Today at 4:18 PM
Aiya Shelob and Phar : )
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:19 PM
Aiya Ar!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:19 PM
Only just decided to see when DST starts in the US
[4:19 PM]
for us it's in 2 weeks
Varda — Today at 4:19 PM
I'm friendly with most snakes.
[4:19 PM]
Two weeks - thanks, I was thinking one.
Shelob — Today at 4:19 PM
Actually, doesn't DST end soon?
Varda — Today at 4:19 PM
DST just started today for Eastern
Shelob — Today at 4:19 PM
Or... argh. stupid system getting me all confused all the time.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:19 PM
hehe
Varda — Today at 4:20 PM
You and everyone else!
[4:20 PM]
Any membership news from you guys while we're still in it?
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:20 PM
The Coffee House was EMPTY this morning when I arrived as soon as
they opened. I guess a lot of people forgot.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:20 PM
Covid has struck my household.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:20 PM
Oy Weh!!!
Varda — Today at 4:20 PM
They needed coffee to remember.
[4:21 PM]
Ugh, sorry to hear. Hope asymptomatic?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:21 PM
My parents and I both had it. My tests have been less clear - more
of a faded line - but I've definitely got it.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:21 PM
How bad are the symptoms?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:21 PM
I'm less symptomatic than my parents, but I still feel it,
especially the last few days. First half of the week just a bit of
a throat issue.
[4:22 PM]
But no work, no gym... gave me time to watch some movies and stuff
[4:23 PM]
And that's my news
Varda — Today at 4:27 PM
Thanks. May it be no worse than that and you have a bit of
vacation. : )
[4:27 PM]
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Web:
[4:28 PM]
Working on updating the Membership page, but that is taking a
while. Some is done, but I figured on going back to the old way of
having all the members on it, with a quick line of the actual
active ones on top.
[4:28 PM]
Then one can click the alphabet and go to the active one you need
to see.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:28 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to the Stories of Arda website?
EVery time I try to go there the last week, it says "Page not
found."
Varda — Today at 4:29 PM
The recent set-up of separating the lists of active and inactive
on the same page has merely been confusing.
[4:29 PM]
I have not checked in a while on Stories of Arda.
At one time, it nearly was removed and I started scrambling to
save some of the stories to our site.
By permission, of course.
[4:30 PM]
Then it seemed fine and I quit pushing.
[4:31 PM]
Checking on it right now.
[4:32 PM]
Several different pages gave timed out errors. Could be server
taking too long to respond or page not there.
[4:33 PM]
Checking some more pages. Not looking good.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:34 PM
143.95.244.141/chapterview.asp?sid=7259&cid=32477
This site is not working, either. I wonder what is going on.
[4:35 PM]
Valar Guild seems to work just fine! Thank Goodness!!!
This is what I got for the site I just listed:
Varda — Today at 4:35 PM
I hit a lot of ways to reach Stories of Arda. Nothing yet.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:35 PM
internal error - server connection terminated
[4:36 PM]
But I do not think it is my laptop, as I could get to our site
with no problem.
Varda — Today at 4:37 PM
Not your laptop.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:38 PM
Arien Valar — Today at 4:39 PM
aiya
[4:39 PM]
don t tell me u got daylight time already
Varda — Today at 4:39 PM
Yes, we did, Arien. : )
[4:40 PM]
Trying to figure out what happened to the Stories of Arda website.
It seems down, not loading.
But ours is fine, fortunately.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:40 PM
Aiya
Pallando-Valar — Today at 4:41 PM
Aiya
Varda — Today at 4:41 PM
Aiya Pallando : )
Arien Valar — Today at 4:41 PM
and .. I heard something about a major network failure in the
states .. my Metal Site Epic rock radio was down for a few days
last week and it apparently caused a power surge which killed
their serversz
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:41 PM
AIya Pallando!
Arien Valar — Today at 4:41 PM
so maybe it has to do with that
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:41 PM
Could be...
Aiya Arien!
Varda — Today at 4:43 PM
Well, the US was told to expect an attack on 0's and 1's. Might be
happening, or just stuff happening.
At least our stuff and Discord are doing fine.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:44 PM
That is pretty low, if Putin wants to impair access to Stories of
Arda!!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:44 PM
Aiya pallando!
Varda — Today at 4:44 PM
heh, more likely collateral damage or unrelated.
Are the games you guys play coming up all right?
Arien Valar — Today at 4:44 PM
yeah no bother here
Varda — Today at 4:45 PM
Good here too.
May just be regular problems.
On to
[4:45 PM]
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Gaming!
[4:46 PM]
Feel free to break in if you have news on the same game being
mentioned.
From Eonwe:
World
of Warcraft:
[4:46 PM]
This week's Bonus Event: Shadowlands Dungeons.
[4:46 PM]
The PvP Brawl: Southshore vs Tarren Mill runs through Tuesday,
March 15th.
[4:47 PM]
Check out World of Warcraft News and Development Updates.
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:47 PM
It works!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/952684271972274186/Canada_geological_map.JPG
Varda — Today at 4:47 PM
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23785575/world-of-warcraft-news-and-development-updates
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft News and Development Updates
- WoW
Catch up on all the latest World of Warcraft
release dates, news, hotfixes, and more in our newest update.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:48 PM
There's been an announcement for an announcement about the next
expansion! Quite curious.
Varda — Today at 4:48 PM
Sandalf, pardon, why are we looking at that nice map?
Sandalf13 — Today at 4:48 PM
I just wanted to make sure I could upload a picture like you
professional guys do....sorry for the interruption, but it IS a
pretty picture too...
Varda — Today at 4:48 PM
ok, it worked. : )
[4:48 PM]
Sepulcher of the First Ones Mythic and Raid Finder Wing 1 are
live.
[4:49 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23774003/sepulcher-of-the-first-ones-mythic-and-raid-finder-wing-1-now-live
World of Warcraft
Sepulcher of the First Ones Mythic and Raid
Finder Wing 1 Now Live!...
Pursue Zovaal's forces into the Sepulcher of
the First Ones and prepare for the most epic Shadowlands raid yet.
[4:49 PM]
Check out Save the Date — The Future of Warcraft.
[4:49 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23783584/save-the-date-the-future-of-warcraft
World of Warcraft
Save the Date — The Future of Warcraft - WoW
Mark your calendars for a sneak peek at the
future of World of Warcraft, Hearthstone, and more.
[4:49 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes.
[4:49 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23770463/hotfixes-march-11-2022
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: March 11, 2022 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
[4:50 PM]
While we still have Pallando here, maybe he can give us some
comments on
Eve Online? Space game.
Pallando-Valar — Today at 4:52 PM
So Eve's had a couple of things. First, there was a patch that did
a partial revert of surgical strike, as well as adding role
bonuses to all battleships for plates and extenders: https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-20-03
This is intended to address battleships being too squishy when
fighting things like large muninn fleets and haw dreads. More can
be done, imo, and this is a bit of a hack of a fix.
EVE Online
Patch Notes - Version 20.03 | EVE Online
Patch Notes released on 10 March are now
available!
[4:53 PM]
They've also added a pack that lets you buy a ship with real money
directly. This has caused a great deal of discontent. What comes
of this is yet to be seen, but we're approaching summer of rage.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 4:53 PM
Yeah, such things never go over well.
Pallando-Valar — Today at 4:53 PM
In happier news, they announced that changes to citadels and
faction warfare will be announced at Fanfest, which is a scant
month and a half away.
[4:54 PM]
Oh and they added in compression in space for miners but I don't
know anything about that so, uh, it's there.
It Does Things.
Varda — Today at 4:55 PM
: )
Pay for Play, always bad news.
[4:57 PM]
Hoping Fanfest is great fun for all. : )
[4:59 PM]
Overwatch:
[4:59 PM]
Check out the Overwatch 2 Community Update.
[5:00 PM]
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23785080/overwatch-2-community-update/
Overwatch
Overwatch 2 Community Update
Developer update with Game Director Aaron
Keller, and April PvP Beta Testing.
Diablo 3:
[5:00 PM]
Patch 2.7.3 is on the PTR.
[5:00 PM]
(PTR is the test server)
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:00 PM
Heya all. Sorry I'm late. Real life got in the way.
Varda — Today at 5:00 PM
https://us.diablo3.blizzard.com/en-us/blog/23774698/diablo-3-ptr-273-%7C-now-live-3-7-2022
Diablo III
Diablo 3 PTR 2.7.3 | Now Live
Our two-week PTR testing period for the 2.7.3
update begins on March 10, and we're asking for your help to quell
the tides of surging demons.
Real life does have a way of sneaking up on us. : )
[5:01 PM]
Glad you could come at all!
Starcraft
2:
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:01 PM
Life happens
Varda — Today at 5:01 PM
Patch 5.0.9 is on the PTR.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/starcraft2/23774006/starcraft-ii-5-0-9-ptr-patch-notes
StarCraft II 5.0.9 PTR Patch Notes
We've been working with community members and
tournament organizers to put together a Balance Patch. You can
check it out on the PTR now!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:01 PM
Aiya Eonwe!
Varda — Today at 5:02 PM
Using your notes, Eonwe. ; )
Lord of the Rings Online:
Update 32.0.3 came out this week.
https://www.lotro.com/update-notes/lotro-update-32-0-3-release-notes-en
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 32.0.3 Release Notes
Here are the release notes for Update 32.0.3,
released on Wednesday, March 9th, 2022.
[5:03 PM]
The title "Leading the Charge" will still be do-able until 3 A.M.
EST April 21.
Spring Festival will run from March 17 through April 5.
Lord of the Rings Online Valarites that showed up in kin this past
week:
Landroval server:
Eonwe
Ioreth
Lenwe
Fangorn
Nar
Thranduil
Tulkas
Varda
Anor server:
Eonwe
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax server:
Varda
Treebeard server:
Varda
[5:04 PM]
Any other general gaming news? Valarite sightings?
I know we have some folks that enjoy Minecraft, more than I
realized. : )
[5:05 PM]
We have reached the (new) hour.
I may be unable to attend next Sunday, but don't know yet. Surgery
Friday.
And I need to go take care of five hungry people now. : )
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:05 PM
Hope it is just routie.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:05 PM
oh, good luck!
Varda — Today at 5:05 PM
Thanks
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:06 PM
routine. Sorry.
Varda — Today at 5:06 PM
So the gavel for Tolkien is about to hop over to Eonwe. Please
feel free to help him out!
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Tolkien!
[5:07 PM]
gavel hops up to Eonwe and gives him the big-eyed look
Namarie for now. (Eonwe had no warning.)
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:07 PM
Who?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:07 PM
namarie!
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:08 PM
That is a joke. he he
Namarie, Ar!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:08 PM
and mine was a response to Varda, not an answer to you
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:08 PM
Ah.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:09 PM
Ok, since I have the gavel
for Tolkien, I'll throw this quote and thought out for
comentary...
[5:12 PM]
To set this up: The War of Wrath is over, Eonwë and the Armies of
the Valar are victorious, and Maglor and Maedhros are
contemplating the fulfillment of their oath.
[5:14 PM]
"Yet (Maglor) yielded at
last to the will of Maedhros, and they took counsel together how
they should lay hands on the Silmarils. And the disguised
themselves, and came in the night to the camp of Eonwë, and they
crept into the place where the Sil,arils were guarded; and they
slew the guards, and lay hands on the jewels.
Then all the camp was raised against
them, and they prepared to die, defending themselves until the
last. But Eonwë would not permit the slaying of the sons of
Fëanor; and departing unfought they fled far away."
[5:17 PM]
So, you know what just happened there?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:17 PM
Those poor guards went unavenged?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:18 PM
Not quite, they were avenged in a different way I'd say.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:18 PM
Yet Tolkien pointed out that both Maedhros and Maglor were "sick"
of their Oath...And yes...I think that Eonwe knew EXACTLY what
would happen to the two sons of Feanor.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:18 PM
But good point :}
[5:21 PM]
What happened there, I'd say, is that the oath was fulfilled. What
was the oath? To "pursue with vengeance and hatred" those who
would keep the Silmarilli from them. The minute Eonwë let them go,
no one was keeping the Silmarilli from them.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:21 PM
It strikes me as really driving the point home how low they'd sunk
by having them kill people in the Valar's army to get their gems.
Hmm, good point, Eonwe.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:22 PM
With the right choices at that minute, they could've done alot of
good and washed their hands of the whole affair.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:22 PM
But I think that in this case Tolkien is asking us to also be a
little forgiving and empathetic. They were not happy doing what
they did, but were compelled to do so by their oath. Which is
stronger? I think Tolkien is setting up a conundrum for you and
me: What would you do?
[5:23 PM]
But I agree...the taking of another life is a far higher "command"
than fulfilling an "oath."
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:23 PM
Personally, if I swore an oath to someone I'd probably make it so
said person was capable of releasing me from it...
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:23 PM
I meant to say the injunction NOT to kill is a far higher
commandment than an Oath...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:24 PM
If they'd sworn the oath to the Valar, Eonwe could've released
them from it. Eru... not so much.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:24 PM
Not to take an innocent life, aye Sandalf.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:25 PM
I would suffer the consequences of breaking an Oath if the only
alternative was to kill..
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:25 PM
No, Eonwë wouldn't have been able to release them from an oath
naming the Valar. They would have to be released by those named.
Eonwë didn't even have the authority to pardon Sauron./
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:25 PM
Did Eonwe not represent them?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:26 PM
Depends on the oath and the reason, Sandalf. Protecting your
family from a band of rampaging orcs is not the same as slaying a
couple of guards watching over some jewels.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:27 PM
Of course...
I agree with you. We must use "whatever wits" have been granted
us, as Gandalf says to Frodo.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:27 PM
Inasmuch as he was given authority to do so, yes Phar. But he
evidently did not have complete authority or he could've pardoned
Sauron. He explicitly tells Sauron he doesn't have that authority.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:28 PM
Alright.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:29 PM
We could argue Manwë, if any Vala could, would be able to release
them from the "Iluvatar" component of their oath otherwise. I'm
iffy on Manwë's authority to do so, without Manwë directly
consulting Eru on the matter, in which case it's again not by
Manwë's given authority he'd be releasing them.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:32 PM
It's part arrogance, as well. Even with an oath you can't be
released from, you're stating that your oath is more important
than their lives. Maybe you should consider that it's better for
you to simply take the breaking and its consequences, overall.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:32 PM
Exactly what I think as well.
[5:33 PM]
Eru will forgive our sins, but we must ask forgiveness from those
we have wronged.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:35 PM
Makes one wonder if they even tried to get by them without slaying
them. Even the Kinslaying at Alqualondë didn't go straight to
bloodshed.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:37 PM
It could even have been self defense if the guards were trying to
kill them for trying to take the jewels. If that counts as self
defense.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:37 PM
I think not.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:38 PM
Now I'm wondering if it's self-defense if breaking the law is why
you are in that situation in the first place.
[5:39 PM]
Even if at that moment it's necessary to kill to survive.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:41 PM
To try to answer broadly: If you're stealing something from
someone and forcing them to defend themselves and their stuff,
it's not self-defense for you to then use force to continue taking
their stuff.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:41 PM
No, not use force to continue taking their stuff. Use force to
prevent them from killing you.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:41 PM
In terms of law, at least as I understand it, Maglor and
Maedhros had evil INTENT...one part of proving culpability.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:42 PM
If you're stealing something from someone, you're knowingly
putting yourself in danger of retaliation.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:42 PM
And one does not go about stealing something without intending to
do so...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:43 PM
If you're expecting someone not to stop you from stealing from
them, you're naive.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:43 PM
Well, yes, I'm not excusing their intent
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:43 PM
And to be clear, I am using the generic "you", not the personal
"you" :}
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:43 PM
I know But I'm wondering if that expectation should include
them trying to kill you.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:43 PM
Natürlich!!!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:44 PM
If you bust into someone's house or onto someone's property, they
can't know what you intend to do to them or how heavily armed the
invader is. A person has a right to defend themselves.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:45 PM
I must bid farewell to the group for now. I have been here since
1600...about 1.75 hours ago. I need to get home for dinner, and
then will return later, if anyone is still around. Sei gesund, you
all!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:45 PM
That's true.
Sandalf13 — Today at 5:45 PM
And Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:45 PM
Namarie!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:45 PM
Take care Sandalf.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:53 PM
Back to the primary topic though, I wonder if Eonwë had considered
that angle when letting Maglor and Maedhros go, or if his only
goal at that point was to prevent more bloodshed.
He certainly knew the words of the oath.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:54 PM
Why would Eonwe consider that angle? Did he no longer think them a
threat after the oath's completion/
?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 5:56 PM
Perhaps for similar reason to why Sauron wasn't just told "Nope, I
can't pardon you so I'm going to drag you in chains to Valinor."
Sort of "Ok, your oath is fulfilled. No one is keeping them from
you. What will you do now that you don't have it hanging over your
head?"
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 5:59 PM
Hoping there could be redemption for them beyond the oath. I can
get that.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:01 PM
Aye.
[6:05 PM]
Not that I think this had more than a .000001% chance of ever
happening, but imagine if they had taken the Silmarills, Eonwë
stopped anyone from going after them, and they just turned around
and handed them right back freely. Oath fulfilled, because they
had them, no one stopped them, then they gave them away. Oath
fulfilled, and the silmarilli aren't their problem anymore.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:05 PM
Heh, it crossed my mind earlier. But that seems even worse for the
poor guards.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:07 PM
With all the bad things they did having the only justification of
getting the simarilli back, yeah, it wasn't likely to happen, that
being the latest in a string of bad things, aye.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:09 PM
shoves away corpse with foot Here's the gems, we're all
good now, right?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:10 PM
I'm thinking more likely "Our oath is fulfilled." Throws
silmaril down and walks away in disgust.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:10 PM
More in character, sure.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:11 PM
For an extra measure of spite, if they knew how, breaking it open
and just dumping the light inside on the ground before walking
away.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:12 PM
Oof.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:13 PM
Although not necessarily spite towards Eonwë, the Armies, or the
Valar themselves, though that may play a part, but also spite
towards their father for swearing that oath and then making them
swear it again before he died.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:13 PM
Hmhm. They can't have liked that.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:14 PM
That oath destroyed everything they built while in Beleriand. That
oath was worse for them than anything Morgoth threw at them.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:15 PM
There is a chance they actually took the oath gladly as they were
of the same mindset as their father on the silmaril-thing, but it
seems unlikely given other of their actions.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:16 PM
They might've sworn it gladly at the beginning, but remember
Maedhros was the most reasonable of the brothers, so far as we can
tell, and after everything he was the most frantic of not
fulfilling the oath, and he was the one who cast himself into the
lava.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:17 PM
I was about to correct you there
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:17 PM
Yeah, slipped there for a second :}
[6:18 PM]
Maedhros gave up everything for a chance at fulfilling the oath:
his claim to the kingship of the Noldor among them.
[6:19 PM]
Everything he did to try and keep the peace to hold together a
coalition to stand against Morgoth, and it all fell apart because
of the very oath he gave it all up to fulfill.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:20 PM
Poor guy.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:23 PM
Anyway, if there's no more comments on this, I'll declare
Aftermeeting and throw some other Tolkien stuff out there.
[6:25 PM]
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Aftermeeting:
[6:26 PM]
In other Tolkien
commentary, I browsed through The Lost Road and Other Writings
(HoME V)
[6:27 PM]
Browsed through meaning I did a fast read-through.
[6:30 PM]
Read the story set round abouts the last days of Numenor. Sauron
had spies everywhere, making people doubt even their own kin.
People concerned about speaking against Sauron's words even in
their own homes. Interesting how villains always seem to be into
suppressing anything that disagrees with what they say.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:33 PM
Oh, I don't know, that doesn't just go for villains. I know most
people are pretty bothered with "fake news"
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:39 PM
I don't know, Gandalf seemed to be "Here's the deal. Make your own
decision." Saruman was all about "Trust meeeee" and characterizing
those who disagreed with him as either small-minded or dim-witted
when it suited him.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:39 PM
Trust in me, just in me ♪
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:39 PM
Aye, hehe.. Kaa (I think the name was) the snake from the Jungle
Book.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:40 PM
Yep. What's playing in my head is the one from the 2016 version's
credits, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgkBetZY-M
YouTube
DisneyMusicVEVO
Scarlett Johansson - Trust in Me (From "The
Jungle Book" (Audio Only))
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:42 PM
I was thinking about the (much) older animated version... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJHPfpOnDzg
YouTube
DisneyMusicVEVO
Sterling Holloway - Trust In Me (The Python's
Song) (From "The Jung...
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:43 PM
Yeah, figured
[6:43 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIvf6mtgo2U
to complete the set with the one I linked but actually with the
credits.
YouTube
VHR woker
Lagu penutup film the jungle book 2016
[6:44 PM]
I suppose the good guys either think they're so right that others
will come around eventually anyway, or they allow them their
opinion in the knowledge that their opinion won't threaten them.
[6:45 PM]
But the villains know that disagreement could overthrow them.
(or, for the good guys, that they'll take the risk of other's
opinions threatening them but still prefer people to have free
will)
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:46 PM
Well the good guys believe in Free Will, the right of the
individual to make up their own minds.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:48 PM
I suppose good guys can afford to believe in that too, more than
villains, because good guys believe free-willed people will more
often join the good guys' side than not, while villains require
obedience to maintain their side
Part of that is that good guys are more cooperative, while evil
guys tend to have more discord in the ranks when they allow it.
[6:49 PM]
So basically, if you disallow free will, it's already an
admittance that you're evil
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:51 PM
I think it ultimately comes down to Free Will, which those on the
side of Good will acknowledge belongs to everyone, and Self-Will,
which is ultimately that only the villain's will matters. Morgoth
was this in that he wanted to be worshipped as God. Sauron and
Saruman fell to this because they believed only they could make
the right decisions for everyone and anyone who disagreed with
them was in the way of their utopia.
Sandalf13 — Today at 6:52 PM
HAllo all! I am back...for better or worse.
Let me catch up on the reading.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:52 PM
The Rings of Power were all about making sure Sauron could govern
everything according to his will.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:53 PM
Aiyata!
[6:53 PM]
True. While the good knew people could be left to rule themselves.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:54 PM
I would say should be left to rule themselves. The Valar
understood that, even though they did bring the Calaquendi to
Aman.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:56 PM
fair enough
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:56 PM
The Valar did not forbid the Noldor from marching after Morgoth
(tying back in to the previous discussion), exiling only Fëanor
(not even his sons) due to his oath, and things only became a big
problem for the Noldor after the Kinslaying.
Sandalf13 — Today at 6:56 PM
I just read your comments about Sauron in Numenor. He sounds an
awful like like Vladimir Putin, or vice versa? Come to think of
it, Tolkien's work has a HUGE following in Russia. They sort of
adopted him the same way the Germans adopted (and tried to
expropriate) Shakespeare!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:57 PM
You haven't experienced Shakespeare until you've read it in the
original Klingon......
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 6:57 PM
hehe
Sandalf13 — Today at 6:58 PM
That makes me think of the Big Bang Theory and Sheldon reciting
some of the wedding vows in Klingon..,
Eonwë Valar — Today at 6:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsCVuO1yeJc
YouTube
ccady
Shakespeare in the original Klingon
Sandalf13 — Today at 6:59 PM
Klingon sounds a lot like the language of Mordor, nicht wahr?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:00 PM
Even the Noldor understood the tribes of Men coming into Beleriand
should have their own lands with their own rulers.
[7:02 PM]
Hadn't really thought about it, Sandalf, but I'm not sure if I'd
link it too closely to Black Speech based on the words of the
Black Speech coming to mind any more than to Kzuzdul based on the
ones coming to mind from that.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:04 PM
There does seem to be something guttural in most warrior races'
languages...
Maybe they think it's intimidating.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:05 PM
Now THERE is a point...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:09 PM
What other warrior races do you have in mind that would affirm
that? Not saying it's not true, and in fact I would find it quite
interesting if I could think of more that prove the point.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:11 PM
Well, I thought klingon, dwarves and orcs were a nice parallel on
their own, but I'll try to think of another.
[7:11 PM]
To be honest I'm not great with fictional languages and peoples
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:14 PM
Fair enough. I just thought you might've had some others from
other sci-fi/fantasy to add to those, since it's a large field. I
can't think of any though.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:14 PM
Me neither. It seems like a common thing, but... can't think of
any examples.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:15 PM
None are coming to mind in the other big Sci-fi franchise Star
Wars, and the attempted third pillar Stargate has the Jaffa, but
their language is not what I would consider gutteral from what I
recall of it.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:15 PM
Nope. Short and to the point, but not guttural.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:16 PM
I remember reading a book once upon a time in which two characters
sat down and began to talk in German..."the language of warriors,"
as I recall.
Arien Valar — Today at 7:17 PM
hehe .. well it is time to go vlsit the realm of Irmo and speak
the language of cloud cookoo home :)P
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:17 PM
namarie
Arien Valar — Today at 7:18 PM
Namarie
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:18 PM
Now I remember a youtube video comparing words in different
languages (I think English, Spanish, French, maybe Italian) and
German. All the others are pretty much the same, then you get to
the German word, which is nothing like the others, and the guy
says it in the most exaggerated way possible. Kinda funny.
Sleep well Arien :}
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:18 PM
hehe
Sounds familiar actually, Eonwe.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:19 PM
I.e. one of them was "Hospital" and so you hear variations of
"Hospital" 4 or 5 times, then German, is "KRANKENHAUS!!!"
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:19 PM
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:20 PM
Here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcxvQI88JRY
YouTube
sri ad
German Language Compared to other Languages
[7:22 PM]
Maybe mild warning. Shouldn't have anything you haven't heard on
daytime tv.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:22 PM
There is a hint of guttural
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:23 PM
:}
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:27 PM
I think the German accent is a tad bit OVEREMPHASIZED!
[7:27 PM]
E.G. "Pen" = "Kuhlschreiber" if you say it correctly,
it does not sound bad...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:27 PM
Aye, he's definitely doing it to be funny.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:27 PM
Hmhm. It's like you'd overemphasize Dutch by stretching all the
vowels.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:27 PM
Yes indeed..but the point is still well-taken
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:28 PM
Honestly, they probably use pen in German as well. I know we do in
Dutch.
[7:28 PM]
We do use ball-pen though for that specific one.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:33 PM
And some words not shown in that aren't that different i.e.
red/roja/rot for English/Spanish/German, so they obviously chose
the words they thought would be funniest. German has some crazy
long compound words though. One that sticks with me from the title
of some essay I read in a German class is "Ubernachtenmoglichkeit"
(edited)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:33 PM
Not only do they overdo the accent, they also deliberately choose
the harshest of possible words to use for each meaning
[7:34 PM]
And yes, their choice of the initial words is also deliberate, of
course
[7:34 PM]
Hmm, that'd probably "overnachtingsmogelijkheid" in Dutch...
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:34 PM
I know that the slang expression for a pen is simply "Kuli."
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:35 PM
the possibility to stay overnight
[7:35 PM]
kuli? alright
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:35 PM
Haben sie ein Kuli? oder, Hast du ein Kuli?
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:35 PM
I stand corrected
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:37 PM
But from from readings of Proto-Germanic and the languages derived
therefrom, all Germanic languages....even English...like to
combine nouns to make new words...it is just that German seems to
get carried away. E.g.: "air" plue "port" = "airport" - an English
word.
[7:37 PM]
I could make a much longer list, of course.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:37 PM
Aye, compound words are nothing surprising, of course.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:38 PM
Yes...but more common in Germanic languages than most others..
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:43 PM
Aye, not disagreeing, just talking about the length. It's been a
long while since I studied German, but if memory serves a healthy
part of the crazy long words comes/came from Germany's/German
linguists' desire to maintain a purity of the language, so they
try to find ways to say things based on German words more than
taking in loanwords from other languages.
[7:46 PM]
Of course what the common person does is not always in tune with
what those attempting to shape the language want, heh. (edited)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 7:46 PM
Trying to "shape" a language that people are still actively using
is generally a fool's errand
[7:47 PM]
Too many random influences, unexpected alterations, trends that
seem to come out of nowhere...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:47 PM
Aye.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:48 PM
German seems to have NO problem adopting words from English (or
"American") as I discovered with my four German host-sons. They
prefer NOT to adopt words from French unless absolutely necessary.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:54 PM
Attitudes could have easily changed in the intervening years since
my statement above was true, and had probably changed by the time
I took that particular class too. Like I said, it's been a while
so I don't remember the time frame on that statement :}
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:55 PM
It may represent a more modern trend,, especially since the 1950s,
perhaps...
[7:55 PM]
Don't forget there were a LOT of American troops in Germany since
1945, and many of them have married Germans spouses...I know that
from many of my fellow-veterans.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 7:56 PM
I find the French part interesting. If memory serves, there were a
few German rulers in history who only had French spoken in their
court. That probably holds true for more than just Germany though.
Aye.
Sandalf13 — Today at 7:58 PM
Probably during the Enlightenment....certainly a more
"enlightened" period than what came after...
[7:59 PM]
I seem to remember Frederick the Great hosting quite a few of the
French intelligentsia at his home...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:01 PM
Sounds familiar. Probably one of those I'm thinking of..
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:04 PM
When I was in Europe with the Navy,, if I ever attempted tyo speak
a few words in the local language, be it Italian, or Norwegian, or
Portugese...I was graciously welcomed to do so, and encouraged in
my efforts. I do speak Spanish,, so that was a bit easier, but
even there, as soon as I tried to talk in Spanish, people were
MUCH more responsive to me. Not in France: I tried some French and
was told, literally, to shut up..."Stick to English," they said.
Not a good reaction. I wonder...I know that the Germans thought it
was neat that a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy from NY would try to
speak German when I did my field camp for geology at Oberstdorf,
in the Bavarian Alps.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:04 PM
Hmm, the going stereotype seems to be that the French don't like
to learn English, so that's surprising
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:04 PM
But I KNOW that was before either of your times....
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:05 PM
"In my time..."
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:06 PM
I know how young Ar is...and I assume you are of the same vintage,
Eonwe!
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:06 PM
I suspect Eonwe's older, but not sure.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:07 PM
I suspect Eonwe is a lot younger than me....but then again, it
seems everyone else is, too. I must be getting old.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:08 PM
Strange, isn't it, when people in the world appear to be getting
younger... while you expect it to be the other way around
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:09 PM
You are right...but as my parents taught me, all I can do is
forge ahead with hope (estel) for the future.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:09 PM
Heh.
[8:09 PM]
And hope those after you do the same.
[8:11 PM]
I once read that the young live on hope and the old live on
memories.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:11 PM
I have a few years on Phar, but I'm not old enough to have dealt
with Korea or Vietnam.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:11 PM
I'm glad to see you do both
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:12 PM
I thought so...I am a Vietnam Era Vet...I have the little pin they
recently gave out to Veterans from that era, and I have a decal in
the back window of my car.
[8:12 PM]
You are both youngsters, as far as I am concerned.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:13 PM
whippersnappers
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:15 PM
I'm old enough to remember when Connor McLeod fought for the Prize
(the first time against the Kurgan), to see when Dr. Emett L Brown
didn't need any roads to get to 88mph, and to see when Dracula
saved the world by convincing the Witch to fly over the moon on
Halloween night. (A big lol on all of this in case you can't
tell.)
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:16 PM
I'm not sure about the third, but I assure you the first two at
least are ageless
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:17 PM
Ok maybe that last one was a tiny bit before my time, but it was
still on tv at the time, heh.
[8:18 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwh14gDEjCs
YouTube
Online News
The Halloween that Almost Wasn't FULL MOVIE
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:18 PM
Yeah, ok, not familiar with that one. We don't really get US
christmas specials over here.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:19 PM
More seriously, the Challenger explosion was within my lifetime.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:20 PM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/98425690877104128/952737881032638535/1523460663752.jpg
[8:20 PM]
That is me in the middle rreceiving my Viet Era Vet pin at the
local VA office.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:21 PM
Some of you more standing more casually than others
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:21 PM
Cool.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:22 PM
But it looks very nice!
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:22 PM
Some of them could no longer stand up straight at attention...not
their fault! Their service says all.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:22 PM
Indeed.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:22 PM
There were a few in wheelchairs and walkers, who did not pose.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:22 PM
Áh.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:24 PM
A couple of years ago, my second German host-son and his wife came
to visit me. We traveled to Dillon, CO, to ski. While on the road,
a truck pushed us off the road into a snowbank. All I had was my
little sticker in the back. About 10 cars stopped to get my car
back on the road, and they all thanked me for my service. I was
moved beyond tears.
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:26 PM
I'm glad there were so many decent people that were heading that
direction.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:26 PM
So was I!
We continued on unmolested...
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:28 PM
Good.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:30 PM
I thank you both for taking the time to chat with me. I do not
want to intrude on your earlier conversation. Please excuse the
occasional mindless babbling I put forth...a function of age, I
think. I must excuse myself once again. I am at the Telegraph Mill
Coffee House (different from the CoHo), and as it is a Sunday
night, I need to get home to get ready for the week ahead. I have
a lot of work this week coming up with my consulting business and
the Lincoln Friends of Chamber Music, before I leave for New York
on Friday.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:31 PM
Alright, good luck
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:31 PM
Take care Sandalf.
Sandalf13 — Today at 8:31 PM
Good luck is always good!
[8:31 PM]
And the same to you both! Sei gesund!
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:37 PM
Here's another one from back in my day for you, Phar (heh). Don't
know if I've mentioned it before. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsuTccKKGjo
YouTube
ArisGreek30
Filmation Ghostbusters Theme Song/Intro [HQ -
Stereo Remaster]
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:38 PM
I do think I've seen that
[8:38 PM]
Hmm. Have you ever played a game called Broken Sword?
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:39 PM
Doesn't ring a bell, so I'm going to say no.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:40 PM
Series of adventure games, starring a guy called George Stobbart.
The blond guy in that intro really reminds me of him
Eonwë Valar — Today at 8:40 PM
Ah, hehe.
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 8:42 PM
Especially the first game. They have the same chin, too
[8:48 PM]
speaking of games...
[8:48 PM]
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Personal gaming report!
[8:49 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, an interesting
for you: https://www.kongregate.com/games/masasgames/escape-game-computer-office-escape
Kongregate
Escape Game - Computer Office Escape
Escape from an office with PCs.
Sound Effects:
quot無料効果音で遊ぼう！quot:https://taira-komori.jpn.org/
quot効果音ラボquot:https://soundeffect-lab.info/
quotポケットサウンドquot:http://pocket-se.i...
[8:49 PM]
A short escape game where really the title says it all... you're
stuck in a computer office and need to open the door
[8:50 PM]
Quite accessible. Of note is that input screens do not reset when
you leave them to check for something, unlike many other such
games, so that's pretty casual too
[8:51 PM]
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Blizzard gaming:
[8:53 PM]
Hearthstone:
Made it to level 136 on the reward track. Almost enough for a new
cardback!
[8:54 PM]
Made it to field marshal in the honor ranks, with about 800 honor
to go until the last rank, grand marshal. My current goal is 200 a
night (when I don't have to get up early) so it should be done
within the week
Good too, since next expansion will be announced in a few days!
[8:55 PM]
Along the way I got the demon hunter from 53 to 55, and rather
expecting him to be 57 next week. Almost at 60!
Of course after next week things should slow down again as I don't
need to play as many games a night
[8:58 PM]
I had a quest for Tradeable quests, which come mostly from the
Stormwind set, so decided to open up a bunch of Stormwind and
Alterac Valley packs I still had sitting in stacks. And got two
legendaries along the way Rise to the Occasion, the paladin
legendary questline card, and Drek'thar, the horde Alterac Valley
hero, whom I should get the golden version of when I hit Grand
Marshal!
Still have over 100 assorted packs, should probably open them up
one of these days, save me crafting when I need something
specific...
[8:59 PM]
Tavern brawl is Clockwork Card Dealer, where the card you draw
each turn has the equal mana cost to said turn. So 1 mana card on
turn 1, etc.
Got away with a warlock deck with very expensive minions, as well
as Vanndar Stormpike, who reduces all minions' cost by 3 if he's
the lowest cost minion Which meant getting some powerful
stuff a few turns early!
For mercenaries, got Vanessa VanCleef to level 30, and got enough
coins to recruit the Lich King himself! Other than that, a whole
lot more tasks done and levels for several low level ones,
including the LK.
[9:03 PM]
WoW:
[9:05 PM]
More raiding! First few bosses going down a bit smoother, and we
got the Prototype Pantheon down on normal. Where I got a new
weapon, yay!
[9:08 PM]
Weekly quest was mythic dungeons, with a heroic raidloot reward as
well. Not the greatest piece, but a nice heroic necklace which is
still nice
[9:10 PM]
I've not had any time for alts, though, spent more time watching
tv this week, and catching up on some creeper world 3 puzzle maps.
Maybe next week!
[9:10 PM]
And that's my report for the week!
Varda — Today at 9:13 PM
Thank you, Phar. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V — Today at 9:16 PM
Well, namarie
Varda — Today at 9:29 PM
Namarie!
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