June 26, 2022 Sunday
Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings
Time
Discord: Valar
Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Cenedra/Eowyn,
Sandalf13, Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
World of
Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online,
Overwatch
Tolkien:
Topic:
"Giving up" the Ring. No one actually hands it to the next bearer.
Is that true or false?
After-meeting:
(non)Flashgaming
Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.
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Before-meeting
Sandalf13 Today at 3:58 PM
Aiya all!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 3:59 PM
Aiya!
Sandalf13 Today at 3:59 PM
How are you, Ar?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 3:59 PM
good, just give me a few minutes to finish this dungeon
Sandalf13 Today at 3:59 PM
Selbstverstδndlich!
Varda Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
Sandalf13 Today at 4:00 PM
Aiya Varda!
Varda Today at 4:00 PM
@Bounder Hurray! Time for gaming and Tolkien chat and saying hi to
friends! Or at least lurk! ; )
[4:01 PM]
Aiya Phar and Sandalf : )
Sandalf13 Today at 4:01 PM
Let's lurk...
Varda Today at 4:01 PM
I was with Arien a bit earlier on LotRO.
[4:01 PM]
lurk lurk
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:01 PM
and dungeon done for the weekly quest
Varda Today at 4:01 PM
Grats!
[4:01 PM]
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:01 PM]
Membership:
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:01 PM
Thanks My third Tirna Scythe dungeon for it, but I just like
that place
Varda Today at 4:02 PM
That's the main thing, enjoying where you are. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:02 PM
Indeed!
Arien Valar Today at 4:02 PM
aiya all
Sandalf13 Today at 4:03 PM
Aiya Arien!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:03 PM
Aiya!
Arien Valar Today at 4:03 PM
sorry for the near delay .. i had an appointment with Ivar the
Bloodhand to keep
Varda Today at 4:03 PM
Aiya Sunshine! : )
Arien Valar Today at 4:04 PM
:)
Varda Today at 4:04 PM
In a very rough environment!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:04 PM
Fladrif last online.. 12 minutes ago? Oof.
Varda Today at 4:04 PM
Almost caught an ent.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:04 PM
At ent-speed, he just slammed the door!
Varda Today at 4:04 PM
Probably not on purpose. : )
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:04 PM
Heya.
Sandalf13 Today at 4:04 PM
Aiya Eonwe!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:05 PM
Aiya!
Arien Valar Today at 4:05 PM
Aiya Eonwe
Varda Today at 4:05 PM
Aiya Fionwe : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:05 PM
brb, small chore : )
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:05 PM
Hmm, somehow my gaming news didn't make it up to the Games Site.
One sec...
cenedra Today at 4:05 PM
Heya
[4:05 PM]
<Eowyn
Sandalf13 Today at 4:06 PM
Aiya Cenedra!
cenedra Today at 4:06 PM
Aiya!
Varda Today at 4:06 PM
Aiya Eowyn : )
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:07 PM
There, fixed.
Varda Today at 4:07 PM
And a hi to Faramir too : )
[4:07 PM]
Thank you, Eonwe!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:08 PM
back, and Aiya!
Varda Today at 4:10 PM
Welcome back : )
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Web:
[4:11 PM]
Stuff up on the News and Gaming sections.
[4:11 PM]
Speaking of... : )
[4:11 PM]
tosses the gavel to Eonwe
Arien Valar Today at 4:12 PM
Aiya Faramir
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk
YouTube
rickyr0ma
He-Man I Have The Power
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[4:13 PM]
Gaming:
[4:14 PM]
World of Warcraft:
This week's Bonus Event: Shadowlands Dungeons.
The PvP Brawl: Deep Six runs through Tuesday, June 28th.
The Midsummer Fire Festival is going through July 5th.
Arien Valar Today at 4:14 PM
oh i loved to watch He-Man
Sandalf13 Today at 4:15 PM
Must be a woman thing...I thought he was a pansy.
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:15 PM
I grew up with many Filmation cartoons, including He-man.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:15 PM
Wasn't that just as prince Adam?
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:17 PM
He put on that facade to hide the fact he was He-man, yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:17 PM
Of course I can't watch anything He-man without thinking of that
silly heyya youtube video...
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:17 PM
Like Clark Kent pretends to be a bumbling klutz to hide the fact
he's Superman.
[4:18 PM]
80's Filmation cartoons, as recycled as they are, are still alot
better than alot of the dumbed-down stuff they feed children these
days.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:19 PM
And Bruce Wayne pretends he's not broken inside?
Sandalf13 Today at 4:19 PM
"He'-Man with a haircut like that? C'mon...
Arien Valar Today at 4:20 PM
wasn t he The Hulk ? i forgot his real name .. i just remember You
wont like me when I am angr7
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:20 PM
Different Bruce, that's Bruce Banner
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:20 PM
Bruce Banner was the Hulk.
Arien Valar Today at 4:20 PM
ah yess
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:20 PM
Wayne = Batman
Varda Today at 4:21 PM
A lot of men had longer hair back in time, except the Romans,
because it was a real bear to keep it cut.
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:21 PM
Yeah, totally not manly to defeat the badguys whenever they rear
their ugly heads and try to take over the world. Let's focus on
his hair.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:21 PM
I believe Conan had long-ish hair too
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:21 PM
Anyway, back to gaming news.
[4:22 PM]
Wrath of the Lich King Classic is now in beta. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23817630/the-wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic-beta-has-begun
Check out what's in store for it. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23813563/developer-update-a-look-at-whats-ahead-for-wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic
World of Warcraft
The Wrath of the Lich King Classic Beta Has
Begun! - WoW
The Wrath of the Lich King Classic beta test
has begun!
Over the course of the test, well be inviting
opt-in beta testers, community veterans, press, fansites, and
friends and family to check out the upcoming classic expansion and
give us feedback.
World of Warcraft
Developer Update: A Look at Whats Ahead for
Wrath of the Lich King...
Wrath of the Lich King Classic provides new
opportunities to make a few changes that will improve the gameplay
experience in the next chapter of Classic WoW. In this Developer
Update, the World of Warcraft Classic Team takes you through some
of those changes and what they can mean for the future of Wrath
Classic.
[4:22 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23800887/hotfixes-june-24-2022
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: June 24, 2022 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
[4:22 PM]
Lord of the Rings
Online:
A new Producer's Letter is out from Producer Raninia. ---
https://www.lotro.com/news/lotro-producer-letter-june-2022-en
The Lord of the Rings Online
A Letter from Producer Raninia June 2022
Read more about our upcoming plans for LOTRO in
a new Producer's Letter!
[4:22 PM]
Overwatch:
Two blogs are out:
A Design Fit For Royalty: An Iinside Look At Her Majesty, The
Junker Queen ---
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23820711/a-design-fit-for-royalty-an-inside-look-at-her-majesty-the-junker-queen/
Ooverwatch 2 Beta Testing Goals: Uniting Development With
Comminuty ---
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23822249/overwatch-2-beta-testing-goals-uniting-development-with-community/
Overwatch
A design fit for royalty: An inside look at her
majesty, the Junker...
Tanks play more aggressively in Overwatch 2,
and Junker Queen is certainly no exceptionin fact, shed consider
herself the rule.
Overwatch
Overwatch 2 beta testing goals: Uniting
development with community
The upcoming Overwatch 2 Beta is among us, and
the team is incredibly excited to welcome players on Xbox and
PlayStation and bring Junker Queen, Rio, and multiple balance
changes to our players.
[4:22 PM]
I'm done with gaming news.
Varda Today at 4:23 PM
Thank you.
[4:23 PM]
The LotRO producer's letter has a lot in it to check out.
[4:23 PM]
I recommend reading it or checking out the summary of it on our
own News page.
[4:24 PM]
Midsummer Festival is still going.
[4:24 PM]
Landroval RP-encouraged
normal server:
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Hamson
Lenwe
Nar
Varda
Anor legendary server: (server
shuts down Aug 31)
Eonwe
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax difficulty slider
server, fast:
Arien
Varda
Treebeard difficulty slider
server, slow:
Varda
[4:24 PM]
These were the in-kin LotRO players this past week. : )
[4:25 PM]
Nice to see the return of Hamson. He used to game with us a lot.
Orome now has a new computer and downloaded LotRO.
He made a captain, currently level 1, on Landroval.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:25 PM
Level 1 and already captain?
Varda Today at 4:26 PM
I saw him a few minutes ago trying to come online and disappearing
right afte.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:26 PM
They should really start at "recruit" or something...
Varda Today at 4:26 PM
Heh, not the PvMP title. : )
Player vs Monster Player
where you earn the titles in war with other players.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:26 PM
I was more thinking of the military rank in general (pun not
intended)
Varda Today at 4:27 PM
Aye. You were clear, actually. Seems kind of odd now that you
mention it. More or less means "natural leader class".
But that's a mite long!
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:27 PM
Well, Captain is about the closest to a Paladin in LotRO, so....
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:27 PM
Or as they called in the Discworld series, a "Rupert"
Varda Today at 4:28 PM
Ouch : )
WoW Paladin description is pretty much right!
[4:29 PM]
Any other gaming news?
Starcraft 2 obviously is active, with Eowyn and Treebeard
playing it right now. : ) Faramir and our grandson also. I
believe some others of you if you want to mention?
[4:31 PM]
Tabletop games that I usually forget to mention, but
are being played by Sauron, Gimli, Varda, and some Tolkien-onlies
together. : )
[4:32 PM]
Eve Online by Pallando and Sauron that I know of.
So that's what little news I can pass along. : )
On to...
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Tolkien!
[4:33 PM]
"Giving up" the Ring. No one actually hands it
to the next bearer. Is that true or false?
[4:33 PM]
Sauron > Isildur > Deagol > Smeagol/Gollum > Bilbo
> Frodo > Sam > Frodo > Gollum
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:34 PM
Doesn't Sam give it to Frodo?
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:34 PM
So you're saying each next bearer is a "Thief! Baggins!" Well, not
so much the Baggins part in all cases, but you get the point.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:35 PM
Frodo did get it from Bilbo, but not directly from hand to hand.
Varda Today at 4:35 PM
Not exactly - just can't voluntarily hand it over even when they
are trying.
Arien Valar Today at 4:35 PM
well you can hardly speak of handing down the ring ^^ even though
both Sauron and Frodo , the first and the last bearer, actually
ended up with an injured hand , i., e. a lost finger
Varda Today at 4:35 PM
That could be a way of "handing" ouchie!
[4:35 PM]
Parallel there.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:35 PM
give em a finger, they take a hand... or.. something...
Sandalf13 Today at 4:36 PM
Yes... but he was hesitant to do so, out of his desire to keep
Frodo from feeling the ill effects of the ring...yet that is how
it always begins with the ring, as Gandalf points out...the desire
to do good....but the Ring ALWAYS gets you in the end, so I would
say that Sam too was hesitant to give up the Ring.
Arien Valar Today at 4:37 PM
well aye Sam did play at least with the thought of keeping it for
a short while .. or the ring tried to tempt him into it
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:37 PM
Isuldir took it from Sauron's cold dead hand. Deagol took it from
the bottom of the river where it fell from Isildur's not yet cold
dead hand. Smeagol took it from Deagol's, Bilbo took it from the
floor of a cave, Frodo took it from the floor of a Hobbit hole,
Sam took it from Frodo's neck, Frodo was given it by Sam. Gollum
took it from a very irritated Frodo. (edited)
Varda Today at 4:38 PM
Even Frodo took it from Sam. I went back and re-read that,
thinking about a good Tolkien moment, and was startled.
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:38 PM
It seems, to only one from which it wasn't "tooken" was a Took,
unless you count the Took blood in Frodo's line. (And Sam handed
it over, definitely not a Took.) (edited)
Varda Today at 4:39 PM
Sam was a Harfoot, if that's what you're thinking of?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:39 PM
The puns, oh the puns.
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:39 PM
Mostly just looking to make a joke involving the words "tooken"
and "Took", heh.
Varda Today at 4:40 PM
hehe
Sandalf13 Today at 4:40 PM
"tooken" sounds like a good German verb....tooke, tookest, tooket,
tooken, tooket, tooken, and so on.
Varda Today at 4:40 PM
: )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:40 PM
Doesn't seem like it'd work in Dutch, anyway. We'd probably
shorten it to "token".
Varda Today at 4:41 PM
I have the actual Tolkien Moment typed up with a few ellipses, for
Sam.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:41 PM
Possibly toeken.
Varda Today at 4:41 PM
heh
[4:41 PM]
The Return of the King,
"The Tower of Cirith Ungol"
"They've taken everything, Sam," said
Frodo."Everything I had. Do you understand? Everything!...
...
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:41 PM
beggin your pardon, master frodo, but no they didn't...
Varda Today at 4:41 PM
"No, not everything, Mr.
Frodo. And it [quest] hasn't failed, not yet. I took it, Mr.
Frodo, begging your pardon.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:42 PM
or was that the movie?
Varda Today at 4:42 PM
And I've kept it safe. It's
round my neck now, and a terrible burden it is, too."
Sam fumbled for the Ring and its
chain. "But I suppose you must take it back."
Now it had come to it, Sam felt
reluctant to give up the Ring and burden his master with it
again.
"You've got it?" gasped Frodo.
"You've got it here? Sam, you're a marvel!"
Then quickly and strangely his tone
changed. "Give it to me!" he cried, standing up, holding out a
trembling hand. "Give it to me at once! You can't have it!"
Sandalf13 Today at 4:43 PM
Just so we know what we are "takin" about...
[4:43 PM]
take (v.)
late Old English tacan "to take, seize," from a
Scandinavian source (such as Old Norse taka "take, grasp, lay
hold," past tense tok, past participle tekinn; Swedish ta, past
participle tagit), from Proto-Germanic takan- (source also of
Middle Low German tacken, Middle Dutch taken, Gothic tekan "to
touch"), from Germanic roottak- "to take," of uncertain origin,
perhaps originally meaning "to touch."
As the principal verb for "to take," it
gradually replaced Middle English nimen, from Old English niman,
from the usual West Germanic verb, *nemanan (source of German
nehmen, Dutch nemen; see nimble).
OED calls take "one of the elemental words of
the language;" take up alone has 55 varieties of meaning in that
dictionary's 2nd print edition. Basic sense is "to lay hold of,"
which evolved to "accept, receive" (as in take my advice) c. 1200;
"absorb" (take a punch) c. 1200; "choose, select" (take the high
road) late 13c.; "to make, obtain" (take a shower) late 14c.; "to
become affected by" (take sick) c. 1300.
Varda Today at 4:43 PM
"All right, Mr. Frodo,"
said Sam, rather startled. "Here it is!"
Slowly he drew the Ring out and
passed the chain over his head.
"But you're in the land of Mordor
now, sir; and when you get out, you'll see the Fiery Mountain
and all.
You'll find the Ring very dangerous
now, and very hard to bear. If it's too hard a job, I could
share it with you, maybe?"
"No, no!" cried Frodo,
snatching the Ring and chain from Sam's hands. "No you won't,
you thief!"...
End quote.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:44 PM
Funny. So the English went for "take" from germanic origins, and
the Dutch went for "nemen" from English origins?
[4:45 PM]
Ah, he snatched it.
Sandalf13 Today at 4:45 PM
Ironic, no?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:45 PM
Kinda, since we "took" it from each other
Share the load...
[4:46 PM]
At least it hadn't taken over Sam yet so much, since not only was
he asking for permission from Frodo to keep it, but he also kept
it out for Frodo to take.
Varda Today at 4:47 PM
Not exactly with his hand out in offering, but yes.
Eonwλ Valar Today at 4:49 PM
He didn't just drop it on the floor and say "fiddle-dee-dee, I
better pick it up" to have Gandalf scoop it into an envelope
before he could.
Varda Today at 4:49 PM
True
[4:52 PM]
If there are no further thoughts on the matter...?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:53 PM
The magma "took" the Ring from Gollum?
Varda Today at 4:53 PM
I guess we already know the subject awfully well. I'll try to dig
up something more obscure next time. : )
[4:54 PM]
Or let you folks think of something for next time! yay!
[4:55 PM]
the gavel dances to the hammerpad
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:55 PM
I liked it, actually! Nice moment, and a few details I hadn't
remembered.
Varda Today at 4:55 PM
the hammerpad wheels up on its side and swings around with the
gavel
they bow and
thunk!
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After-meeting
[4:56 PM]
It was good for my memory too. Thanks. : )
Arien Valar Today at 4:56 PM
yes i enjoyed it
Varda Today at 4:59 PM
Off to figure out some kind of supper for five people. : )
[4:59 PM]
Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:59 PM
Enjoy!
Sandalf13 Today at 5:00 PM
Namarie! Enjoy dinner!
Arien Valar Today at 5:05 PM
Namarie all it s an early start tomorrow
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 5:05 PM
Namarie!
Sandalf13 Today at 5:05 PM
Namarie!
Sandalf13 Today at 5:15 PM
Need to get to the library to return a book before they
close...namarie to all. Have a wonderful week ahead!!! Sei gesund!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 5:15 PM
namarie, and good luck with the book!
Sandalf13 Today at 5:15 PM
Thanks!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 6:16 PM
Personal gaming report:
[6:17 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, an old but fun
one:
https://www.kongregate.com/games/taccommandeur/hat-wizard-christmas
is a platformer where you play a wizard who can throw his hat at
stuff, immobilize it, and change position with the target. This
particular version is, as the title implies, a christmas edition,
with snow, themed music, and gifts to collect so Christmas can
continue
Kongregate
Hat Wizard Christmas
Santa put Faust#39s goons on the naughty list, but then they stole
all the presents from his storage. Now you have to use your hat to
get back the presents and s...
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 6:30 PM
Blizzard gaming:
[6:31 PM]
Hearthstone:
Hit level 100 on the reward track tonight, getting my 6th "tier 1"
portrait, choosing Cenarion raiment for Malfurion.
[6:31 PM]
Next up will be lots of bonus golds!
[6:32 PM]
Almost got enough gold to buy that Medivh battlegrounds bartender,
which is just a thing to have since I don't battleground much..
but still
[6:34 PM]
Brawl is deathrattle: choose a class, get a random deck, each
minion you play gets a random deathrattle. Luck needed! But some
classes like priest and hunter do well with deathrattles, so maybe
those might help if you're not having much luck.
[6:35 PM]
For mercenaries, lots more levels, though no new max level ones.
And because for the last few days 3 of my tasks have centered out
maxing out mercenaries to level 30, I've not been able to do many
tasks aside.
[6:37 PM]
I did get enough coins for a new merc, Thrall, who should be
familiar to all who've played Warcraft 3 or WoW
[6:37 PM]
Or, indeed, heroes of the storm and hearthstone.
[6:38 PM]
And I got my first levels on Tyrael, the free merc from.. the
Diablo Immortal release, I think.
[6:39 PM]
WoW:
[6:40 PM]
Raidbreak has started. Did still do the old Siege of Orgrimmar
raid with a friend, though, and while we got none of the pets we
were after (still), I did manage to complete the heroic class set
from there for my druid.
[6:41 PM]
Weekly is mythic dungeons, but the heroic raid reward I got from
that was something I already had, so meh.
[6:42 PM]
Midsummer Festival has started! After some digging I found out
there were 3 new toys to be had for 300 blossoms total, so I went
around Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms, messing with bonfires
until I had those 300 blossoms and got the new toys. A skillet
replacing the old cosmetic appearance with use as cooking fire,
and 2 toys to spice up fire festival dancing: insoles and batons.
[6:43 PM]
I also bought the Midsummer pack from the shop!
[6:43 PM]
Already had 5 out of 10 items, so that came cheap, and the
remaining 5 were worth it.
[6:45 PM]
A transmorpher beacon toy, which is always popular in raids; the
cat mount Sunwarmed Furline, which is rather unique and fun as far
as cat mounts go; the old Blossoming Ancient tree pet, and a new
one: Lil' Ursoc! Which I had to get as a guardian druid, in honor
of our late bear god.
[6:46 PM]
And also the Sprite Darter appearance set, which I tried out on my
huntress, as seen at
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/argent-dawn/caliona
World of Warcraft
Caliona - Character - WoW
Caliona (Argent Dawn) ❮The High Guard❯ - 11 Night Elf Beast
Mastery Hunter, 7 ilvl
[6:46 PM]
It's been so long since I've levelled her that she was actually
wearing mostly leather, which a hunter can't transmog, but I
replaced a few items with heirlooms, mogged those, and added a few
fitting pieces.
[6:47 PM]
She looks a bit weird and I'm not sure how long I'll keep it this
way, but it's fun to try out
[6:52 PM]
Finally, between watching a few movies last week (including
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) I didn't get as much alting done
as I thought I would in the absence of raiding, but I did get
Alcaria the paladin into Maldraxxus, completing the intro
sections, obtaining the Primus' runeblade, and starting on the
3-chapter fork, beginning with meeting up with Lady Vashj at the
House of Rituals. As I never sent my paladin to BC they've not met
before, but I'm sure they'll get along fine
[6:52 PM]
Oh, and she got to level 55 in the process.
[6:53 PM]
And that's my report for the week!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 8:50 PM
namarie
Varda Today at 8:52 PM
Namarie, Phar : )
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