Valar Guild

July 17, 2022 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern.]


Attending (and typed): (4)
    Discord:
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe (presiding), Sandalf13
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:

Gaming:
 
    World of Warcraft, Heroes of the Storm, Diablo Immortal, Lord of the Rings Online
Tolkien:
    Topic: Do we have any idea what the inhabitants of Middle-earth did to beat the heat?
After-meeting:
    (non)Flashgaming Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.

 
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Before-meeting

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Heya all.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
@Bounder Meeting beginning shortly!
[4:07 PM]
OK, let's begin.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Aiya all!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Aiya!

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Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
*Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!**
[4:08 PM]

Membership:

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
aiya all :d
[4:08 PM]
:)

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Aiya Arien!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
Varda is obviously busy right now. We have Eonwë, Pharazon, Arien, and Sandalf here. Anyone else who'd like to say "Aiya" for the record, now is the time.
[Note: Varda, Fangorn, and Sauron were at the Comicpalooza convention for the weekend.]

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:09 PM
Speak up now, or hold your piece 'til later.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
Do youy mean "peice," or "peace"?
[4:10 PM]
piece, that is

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
I'm not actually sure what the saying is. Piece makes more sense, considering it's what you're going to say.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
I believe that the correct English expression is "Hold your peace," meaning keep content with what you are not saying to someone.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:11 PM
I guess that works too!

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:12 PM
It originated in the marriage ceremony when someone who might have had objections to a marriage was asked NOT to say anything against the marriage...that is, they were to "hold their peace."

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:13 PM
And yet, saying your piece means expressing your opinion. So even in that context it would still work
[4:13 PM]
But I'll take your piece for it.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
There is the phrase "say your piece."

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
You are very right....but holding one's piece also has one other connotation that I will definitely not go into here.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
But it is "Hold your peace".

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:14 PM
Let us just say that the last expression I put up refers to the male animal only.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
What if you keep a fire-arm in your hand? Is that holding your piece?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
True enough...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Anyway
[4:16 PM]

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Web:

[4:16 PM]
No web news to announce at the moment.

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Gaming:

[4:16 PM]
World of Warcraft:
This week's Bonus Event: Arena skirmishes.

The PvP Brawl: Comp Stomp runs through Tuesday, July 19th.

The Torghast event: Beasts of Prodigum runs through Tuesday, July 19th.
[4:16 PM]
World of Warcraft News and Development Updates ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23823432/world-of-warcraft-news-and-development-updates
    World of Warcraft
    World of Warcraft News and Development Updates - WoW
    Catch up on the latest World of Warcraft release dates, news, hotfixes, and more.
    hotfixes, and more.

[4:17 PM]
Season of Mastery: Enter the Dread Citadel Naxxramas on July 28 ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23826539/season-of-mastery-enter-the-dread-citadel-naxxramas-on-july-28
World of Warcraft
    Season of Mastery: Enter the Dread Citadel Naxxramas on July 28 - WoW
    Floating above the Plaguelands, the necropolis known as Naxxramas serves as the seat of one of the Lich King’s most powerful officers, the dreaded lich Kel’Thuzad.
    Horrors of the past and new terrors yet to be unleashed are gathering inside the necropolis as the Lich King’s servants prepare their assault. The Scourge marches again…

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Oh, sorry, for member news... my wisdom stat's gone down by 2 this week.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Dragonflight Preview: More on Professions ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23826545/dragonflight-preview-more-on-professions
    World of Warcraft
    Dragonflight Preview: More on Professions - WoW
    In this preview, the World of Warcraft development team shares more on the new profession updates and shows off some of the new crafting stations and equipment becoming available in Dragonflight.

[4:17 PM]
Heh. Hope you're not in too much pain any more.
[4:17 PM]
They say ignorance is bliss? :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Nahh, never had much of it, even right after the sedative wore off. The point where they needled me hurt more than where the tooth was.
[4:18 PM]
And a day later it was just a bit sensitive.
[4:18 PM]
It all went very smoothly

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Good :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Alright, continue

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Thinking of this now, heh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JODWCwycNmg
    YouTube
    wonkmonk
    Cypher: I know this steak doesn’t exist... Ignorance is bliss | The...

[4:20 PM]
Dragonflight Zone Preview: The Azure Span ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23823429/dragonflight-zone-preview-the-azure-span
    World of Warcraft
    Dragonflight Zone Preview: The Azure Span - WoW
    Traverse and explore the snowy peaks, misty forests, and icy tundra of the Azure Span.

[4:20 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23800887/hotfixes-july-12-2022
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: July 12, 2022 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands, Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.

[4:20 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
    A new patch came out this week. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes-of-the-storm/23814051/heroes-of-the-storm-patch-notes-july-12-2022
    Heroes of the Storm Patch Notes - July 12, 2022
    Heroes of the Storm has just been updated with the patch! Read on for details.

[4:20 PM]
Diablo Immortal:
Check out how to play Diablo Immortal with a controller. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23814052/diablo-immortal-cut-down-demons-with-a-controller
    Diablo Immortal: Cut Down Demons with a Controller
    One of the many ways to smash demons in Diablo Immortal is with a controller. Learn more about this input method by diving into the world of analogue sticks and triggers with us!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:20 PM
With free mount!

HotS that is

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
Yeah, don't forget to grab your free mount in Heroes of the Storm just for logging in.
[4:22 PM]
Lord of the Rings Online:

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
I hope that everything is OK with Varda and Fangorn...they are having quite the heat wave down in Texas right now. I wonder if their air conditioner is working OK.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:23 PM
I don't have the stats on members who were on this week for the servers, but there were a few, Varda, Fangorn, Ioreth, and Dis among them on Landroval at least.
[4:23 PM]
Only 105-ish in Texas.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:24 PM
But the humidity! From my trip down there last weekend, I learned once again just how humid the Texas Gulf Coast really is....105ish plus humidity would be unbearable.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
(Read my "only" facetiously. I'm living in the same heat.)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
Oy Weh!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:25 PM
Anyway, any other gaming news?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:26 PM
Same heat that's coming for a few days here in the Netherlands next week.
[4:26 PM]
Tuesday's the worst.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:30 PM
Ok, if there's no more gaming, then on to....
[4:31 PM]

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Tolkien:

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:31 PM
May I ask a quick linguistic question before we start Tolkien?
[4:31 PM]
Arien might enjoy this one...
[4:32 PM]
Or Ar...I don't know.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Go ahead.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Which ONE word in the English language has more meanings and connotations than any other word in the entire English language?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:33 PM
I could guess a few that have 2 or 3, but I've got a feeling it's going to be more obscure

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Not at all...it is a pretty well-known world, according to Bill Bryson in his book "The Mother Tongue - English and how it Got That Way."

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
I believe you mentioned it was "take" a couple of weeks ago.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
It has THREE letters...and begins with an "s"

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
sue?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
sap?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
"Take" is a very good guess! But no, "sue" is a LOT closer...but not in the money.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
sad

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:35 PM
Any more ideas?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
sea?
or see

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
Are you ready for the amazing answer?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
sup!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:36 PM
see

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:37 PM
OK - so as not to take up too much of your time, here it is: the word is "SET," cognate with German "setzen," to set. Set is an adjective, a verb, and a noun. It has more meanings than any other word in English. Check it out sometime. I did, and Bill Bryson is right!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
adjective, verb, noun... so it's got the whole set?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
Indeed. It is a set without peer.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
It's not an adverb, heh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
Setly?
Sorry...no go.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
"He focused setly on his duties." Eh.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
whew!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
that set the scene ..

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Or "set the score?"

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
nuff set

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
One moment, then we'll begin.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Or in the Amish (Pennsylvania Dutch) "Let it set a while."

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Ok.
[4:47 PM]
Since we're talking about 100+ degree weather, do we have any idea what the inhabitants of Middle-Earth did to beat the heat? I suspect they did not have ice cream.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
I wonder how hot (or cool) hobbit holes got. I mean, there were windows, but it still seems a bit stifling.
[4:48 PM]
Flets, on the other hand, seem quite breezy

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Perhaps they did...we do know that the Brandywine froze over on occasion, and they quite possibly discovered the way how to store ice for the hot summer months...so maybe they also learned how to make ice cream...at least in the Winter, for sure.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
As I recall underground homes are usually pretty good about keeping cool/warm.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
55 Degrees F all the time, year 'round.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
So maybe you could store ice within a hobbit hole in a way?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
At least that is true for caves, says I...Nebraska Professional Geologist #G0149 and Wyoming Professional Geologist PG 1842.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:50 PM
Well if they could manage to keep ice that long, then sure, I can imagine Hobbits having ice cream. Might be easier further north.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Import from Forochel

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:52 PM
I can imagine how that went over in the Ainulindalle: (edited)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:53 PM
Of course if we place Middle-earth such that the Shire is at about the same latitude as modern-day England, then summers would usually not be too bad...and I believe it was Tolkien's intent to do just that (please refer to my Chapter Three "The Geology of Middle-earth") when it is posted.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:54 PM
Melkor: I'm going to make everything really cold!
Everyone: great, we can freeze cream and flavor it.
Melkor: Then I'll make everything real hot!
Everyone: Now we have a reason to eat it.
Melkor: Rats! Foiled again!
[4:54 PM]
It was his intent to have the Shire like England, yes.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
That would do well as a Tolkien puppet show

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
The most obvious way to beat the heat, of course, would be swimming :} (Many) Hobbits might not do that, but Elves and Men would, especially living on the coast. (edited)
[4:57 PM]
Dwarves, again, lived underground, so all they have to do to beat the heat at home is walk away from the forge, heh. Out travelling, probably just sat in the shade.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Continuing on withg Tolkien's intended placement of Middle-earth, Gondor might have been far enough south to be on the northern edge of the Doldrums (about 30 degrees North and South), otherwise known as the "Horse Latitudes." Harad would have been in the desert zone of modern Earth.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
i d try to persuade Manwe  to make a bit wind

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
30 degrees North is associated with the desert belt typified by the Sahara and the Mojave/Sonoran deserts in the Northern Hemisphere...and the Atacama Desert in the Southern Hemisphere.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
Any other comments on the topic before I let us go to Aftermeeting?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
Anyone care to hear about Death Valley?
[5:03 PM]
He he

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
I'm surprised you'd do anything against the heat, Arien, since you're the cause

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Ha!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
bangs gavel

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Aftermeeting:

[5:07 PM]
Free chat :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
My caves should be nice and cool-ish.
[5:07 PM]
Unless they're... too deep.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Like the one that Gandalf fell into along with the Balrog...

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
That was actually pretty cold at the bottom, I think?
[5:09 PM]
So deeper than that, even, perhaps.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
The Balrogs fire was quenched

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
You are both right...the water into which Gandalf fell was, as he said, colder than death...but that does not make geologic sense, nor does do a lot of other things in the LoTR. Sometimes one must set aside scientific reason to read fantasy....

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
The Balrog fell into water. Even hot water is going to put out a fire :}
[5:12 PM]
But yeah, water was cold.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
"Cold it was, as the tide of death..."
[5:13 PM]
We humans have delved mines deep enough that working in them is too hot...even in the depths of winter.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:14 PM
So could those depths and that lake have an ungeological reason to be cold? Sauron's influence? "Tide of death" indeed?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Even Balrogs need to take a swim?

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
Gandalf's full quote: "Cold it was as the tide of death, almost it froze my heart." Two Towers, "The White Rider."

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:26 PM
FYI...Merry came across a brochure about the 1,913th Bi-annual meeting of the Middle-earth Philosophical Society in Bilbo's papers, and I am posting it (soon) on the Valar Guild site. Some really interesting papers presented at that meeting...

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:35 PM
well i am not going to get philosophical just or maybe .. i guess i am going to ponder the inside of Irmo' s dwellings .. or just the consistency of my duvet nods
Namarie all

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
namarie heatwave

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
Sleep well, Arien! Sei gesund and Namarie!

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:36 PM
:)

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:38 PM
Here is the introduction to the meeting Program:1,913th Bi-Annual Meeting of the Middle-earth Historical Society
University of South Harad, Umbar, Far Harad
Súlìmë,* 3020

Welcome to Far Harad! Given the events of the tumultuous year of 3019, it is with a great deal of pleasure that the Program Committee has put this conference together for the Society, and reinstituted the Society’s Bi-annual meeting. For the first time in many years, speakers have volunteered papers from a wide swath of Middle-earth, and the varied sessions that will be presented at this year’s conference reflect the wide-range of interests of the attendees. This program provides a list of the concurrent sessions at the meeting, with an approximate time for the start of each presentation within each topic area. The Program Chairman, Prof. Hamforth Hardriddle of the University of Arnor in Fornost, would like to thank his numerous associates, and Program Committee members, namely Prof. Har-asunah Hafez of the Institute for Advanced Analytical Analysis in Umbar, Dr. Kinmo Keleborion of the Lothlorien State University, and Frau Prof. Doktor Nephel Elerondiel of Imladris University, in Rivendell. For the first time in our long and gloried history, several papers will be presented by our distinguished colleagues from The Shire, in northern Arnor. We have not had contact with the scholars of The Shire in many a year, and were delighted to see several submissions by individuals from that distant land.
[5:40 PM]
Uh oh...my almost overdue books are calling to me, saying they need to be returned to the Eiseley Library before it closes for the evening. Namarie all, and thank you for listening to the ravings of an old geologist.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
Namarie, and hurry up with those books

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
Namarie, and hurry up with those books

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 5:43 PM
:)

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Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 7:03 PM
Personal gaming report!
[7:03 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, a bunch of oldies again... so let's give a rather unique out of them.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:10 PM
Aiya Ar! I am back from Eiseley. It is beastly hot outside...but very dry, at least...hardly worked up a sweat going to the Library or stopping at Menards to buy some small pots for starting some new cactus cuttings.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 7:11 PM
https://www.kongregate.com/games/nutcasenightmare/we-become-what-we-behold is a point and click game, rather dark, about media bias and vicious cycles. Take pictures of interesting interactions and watch it all go down the drain in a stick-figure bloodbath. Still, it's... interestingly unique.
    Kongregate
    We Become What We Behold
    WE BECOME WHAT WE BEHOLD
    a game about news cycles, vicious cycles, infinite cycles
    Wow, has it really been eight years since I made :the game:? And I rea...

[7:11 PM]
Aiya

[7:13 PM]
Blizzard gaming:
[7:16 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
Logged in to get the mount, as well as several portraits and banners etc for a few missed anniversaries, apparently. 6 and 6.5, at least. Didn't think you could get those after the fact.
Hearthstone:
130 on the reward track, gold keeps piling up  Got the last few legendary quests complete, getting me more packs and a warrior skin, Roaster Magni, with a bbq-ing king Magni, looks nice  Am using it for the warrior now instead of pirate Garrosh. Just gotta keep the good vibe going!
[7:18 PM]
Brawl is Tinyfin Mode, where you can only use basic, common and rare cards. I'm sure there's plenty of excellent combos with commons and rares throughout the expansions, but personally I went with a classic hunter secret deck, using all the secrets I could find and a few other secret-related cards.
[7:20 PM]
It didn't win everything, but was pretty successful. You ramp up secrets' effects so fast, the opponent usually can't keep up, and then finish it with some summons that get upgraded by your secrets. And being hunter, you're always able to keep up the pressure anyway.
As for mercenaries... hoo, quite an adventure this week.
[7:21 PM]
Leveled a bunch of heroes, including getting Vol'jin and Niuzao to 30. Also got enough coins to unlock Chi-Ji, another of the 4 Celestial mercenaries.
But what had me stumped for a while tonight was a quest for Tyrael, to complete the Secret Cow Level in the Barrens.
[7:22 PM]
Even though just on normal, and most of the fights being quite easy, the final bossfight was rather tough. Took me 3 tries to complete the bounty, and needed to make a specialized team for it.
Ultimately just barely scraped through it with fire-damage mercs I had available.
[7:23 PM]
Hopefully I won't get another quest like that in a while  Though supposedly Chi-Ji, the one I unlocked tonight, is good for that boss as well.
[7:24 PM]
WoW:
Raiding continuing, though we're still struggling with heroic Rygelon.
Got him down to 43% tonight, which is... not much of an improvement over last week, but it's all in the practice.
[7:25 PM]
I did decide to do some more missions for augment runes from here on, so I can throw those at the raidfights. Every bit helps at this point.
[7:27 PM]
Weekly is arena skirmishes. Yet, the brawl is Comp Stomp (arathi basin), and brawls always count for bg and arena weekly quests, which means, with Comp Stomp being by far the easiest brawl, and both giving equal honor for the first of the day, I simply did a brawl and a skirmish-win every day, completing it in 5 days without too much frustration
And I got honor level 98 in the process. Not sure what the level 100 reward is, but we'll probably soon find out!
[7:28 PM]
Finally alting! Got level 60 with my paladin (yay!) which I followed up by gathering up some appearances that had been waiting for her, though less remained than I thought, so it was done quickly.
[7:29 PM]
Then I finished Ardenweald with her, including Ysera's procession... almost shedding a tear along the way, such a great story moment.
[7:30 PM]
Decided against doing the side questlines at 60 first, instead heading straight over to Revendreth, where she did the introduction and got dropped into the Endmire, where optional quests are already piling up, apparently! One more main zone to go before she can start her covenant campaign.
And that's my report for the week!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 7:53 PM
Still plotting my next RP post.

Sandalf13 — Yesterday at 7:54 PM
I admire you both for your persistence in pursuing the games of your choice, and the wisdom and knowledge to make them all work!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 9:20 PM
namarie all!

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