August 21, 2022
Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings
Time
Discord: Valar
Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
Attending (and typed): (5)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Pallando (After), Sandalf13 (Before and After), Varda
(presiding)
Seen during the week in
Europe: Shelob, Helm
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
World of
Warcraft, Diablo
3, Overwatch,
Hearthstone, Warcraft 3:
Reforged, Lord of the Rings Online,
Diablo 3 (more), Eve Online
Tolkien:
Topic:
Oath stone
After-meeting:.
(non)Flashgaming
Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.
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Before-meeting
Sandalf13 Today at 11:48 AM
Here I am in Chicago Midway airport, waiting for my flight to
Omaha. I should be arriving in Omaha around 1450, and still hope
to make at least part of this afternoon's meeting...depends on the
flight being on time and travel times from Omaha to Lincoln. The
flight from Midway to Omaha is about 1.25 hours...so. Hope
everyone is well and enjoying. Did any of you get a chance
to look at my Chapter Two - The Last Line i Tolkien?
Varda Today at 3:45 PM
You know I got to read it. ; )
[3:48 PM]
Smelling hot plastic. Hope it
[3:48 PM]
isn't my laptop.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 3:49 PM
Dunno, not knowing what something burning is can be scarier than
knowing it.
Varda Today at 3:50 PM
heh
[3:50 PM]
Aiya Phar : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 3:50 PM
Aiya
Varda Today at 3:50 PM
Eonwe probably can't make it. I'll be back shortly, I hope. Going
to shut down and start up
[3:55 PM]
Back. All's well. Something got in the neighbor's barbecue grill
and came in my window. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 3:56 PM
heh
[3:56 PM]
Hmm, barbecue...
[3:56 PM]
Fresh meat ;..;
Varda Today at 3:58 PM
hehe
[4:00 PM]
It's that time!
Arien Valar Today at 4:01 PM
Aiya all
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:01 PM
Aiya!
Varda Today at 4:02 PM
Aiya : )
[4:02 PM]
@Bounder Huzzah! Valar Guild meeting time! Come say hi, chat
gaming and Tolkien, or lurk!
[4:03 PM]
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielov! [Note omentielvo]
[4:03 PM]
Membership:
[4:03 PM]
Aiya Phar and Arien : )
Arien Valar Today at 4:03 PM
innocent can I do all of that , honored Valier?
I mean at the same time
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:04 PM
Well, lurking is kinda contrary to the others, hence the "or"
Varda Today at 4:04 PM
We would be delighted if you did them all at the same time,
honored Maia : )
Hmm is there a feminine for Maia? Maier?
Don't remember it being used for Melian. Interesting.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:05 PM
Maiesse
Varda Today at 4:05 PM
Valie, Maie?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:05 PM
Maie works, I guess.
Though Maia always sounded a bit feminine to me.
Varda Today at 4:06 PM
Maybe since there's no consonant, it doesn't have an ending
change?
Arien Valar Today at 4:06 PM
not sure even though i am sure Sandalf, if he were
here , would tell you now, that in German the "Meier" used to be
the one who makes butter and cheese in the middle ages
cough
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:07 PM
Maia hee, maia haa...
Varda Today at 4:07 PM
How are you doing with that butter and cheese?
Arien Valar Today at 4:08 PM
lovely stuff on a fresh bread
Varda Today at 4:08 PM
mmmmm!
adds garlic
[4:09 PM]
Membership stuff. Dis is still trying to prove she's Dis, always
an interesting problem. But I'm me! Sure you are.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:09 PM
I wonder why garlic was assigned as a weak point to the vampire.
Do they not like bad breath?
Varda Today at 4:09 PM
Meanwhile she's playing a free to play account.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:09 PM
And are they fine with onions?
Varda Today at 4:09 PM
Garlic? Bad breath?
O dear. grabs mouthwash
Apparently yes.
[4:10 PM]
Maybe the local witch-doctor had a lot of garlic on the farm
needing sold?
Here! This will work!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:10 PM
Hah, that works.
Varda Today at 4:11 PM
Sandalf is traveling, but may make it to the meeting a tad late.
He wants to know if anyone took a look at his essay "Last Line in
Tolkien".
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:12 PM
I took a gander when it was mentioned in the meeting, but there's
way too much stuff in there for me
Varda Today at 4:12 PM
My first guess when reading the title was it was about Sam's "I'm
home." Much more complicated!
Try just reading the text part. Most of it is tables. There's a
Final Reckoning at the end summing up who got the most segment
ends.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:13 PM
Hmm, which wasn't even the original last line, as the epilogue
didn't make it in!
Varda Today at 4:14 PM
He drew a deep breath.
"Well, I'm back," he said.
The End
[4:15 PM]
Instead it's an analysis of who closed out each segment, checking
for significance.
It seemed there was significance and more than expected. : )
[4:16 PM]
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Gaming!
[4:16 PM]
Please feel free to add parts in about games you're playing too!
From Eonwe's Games Site:
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:16 PM
Moment, short addendum if I can confirm it..
Varda Today at 4:16 PM
Fire away : )
[4:17 PM]
momenting
r-Pharazon-V Today at 4:18 PM
Right. Speaking of said epilogue, I just went looking for it and
found a fan-illustrated version. I don't have the book here with
me right now, so while I know it's edited and parts cut for
length, I'm not exactly sure to which degree.
But I figured you might like it anyway
https://archiveofourown.org/works/27478819/chapters/72409524
Sam and Frodo Comics - Chapter 5 - mollyknox -
The Lord of...
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the
Organization for Transformative Works
Varda Today at 4:19 PM
Thank you. : )
[4:25 PM]
Ok, to Gaming : )
World of Warcraft:
[4:25 PM]
(which both of you play!)
This week's Bonus Event: Legion Timewalking.
[4:26 PM]
The PvP Brawl: Temple of Hotmogu runs through Tuesday, August
23rd.
Patch 9.2.7 is live this week.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23833174/shadowlands-927-update-notes-now-live
World of Warcraft
Shadowlands 9.2.7 Update NotesNow Live! - WoW
The Shadowlands 9.2.7 update is now live!
[4:26 PM]
The Wrath of the Lich King Classic Pre-patch goes live August
30th.
[4:27 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23833257/the-wrath-of-the-lich-king-classic-pre-patch-goes-live-august-30
World of Warcraft
The Wrath of the Lich King Classic Pre-Patch
Goes Live August 30 - WoW
The icy winds of Northrend have begun their
mournful wail, warning the heroes of Azeroth of the imminent
danger the Lich King and his undead Scourge present to all life.
Gather your allies, stock up on supplies, and
prepare to face the threat ahead.
[4:27 PM]
With it comes the Scourge Invasion.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23840669/wrath-classic-surviving-the-zombie-infestation-and-scourge-invasion
World of Warcraft
Wrath Classic: Surviving the Zombie Infestation
and Scourge Invasio...
The Lich King is poised to strike! Learn how to
(maybe) survive the upcoming plague and Scourge invasion in the
Wrath of the Lich King Classic pre-expansion event.
[4:27 PM]
Check out the blog Wrath Classic Zone Guide: Dragonblight and
Grizzly Hills.
[4:28 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23840668/wrath-classic-zone-guide-dragonblight-and-grizzly-hills
World of Warcraft
Wrath Classic Zone Guide: Dragonblight and
Grizzly Hills - WoW
A look at two more zones for brave heroes of
the Alliance and Horde to continue their adventures through
Northrend.
[4:28 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23800887/hotfixes-august-18-2022
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: August 18, 2022 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
[4:29 PM]
Hey, Phar and Arien? I don't remember. Does it cost you extra
money to come onto the US server?
I think it did.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:29 PM
Probably? I suppose it needs a new account and subscription.
Varda Today at 4:30 PM
I wondered because Eonwe got left completely alone an awfully long
time.
ok
Diablo 3:
[4:30 PM]
Season 27: Light's Calling will begin August 26th.
[4:30 PM]
https://us.diablo3.blizzard.com/en-us/blog/23816414/season-27-light%E2%80%99s-calling-preview-8-15-2022
Diablo III
Season 27 Lights Calling Preview
The light is calling in Season 27 of Diablo
III. Starting on August 26 at 5 p.m. PDT/CEST/KST, you can
transform your Legendary items into Sanctified items, collect two
new seasonal cosmetic rewards, and more!
[4:31 PM]
Overwatch:
[4:31 PM]
Cross-platform progression will be possible in Overwatch 2.
[4:31 PM]
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23824001/cross-progression-is-coming-to-overwatch-2-account-merge-faq/
Overwatch
Cross-progression is coming to Overwatch 2:
Account merge FAQ
Your data on your Battle.net and console
accounts will be merged for Overwatch 2!
[4:31 PM]
Hearthstone:
[4:31 PM]
Patch 24.0.3 is out this week.
[4:32 PM]
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23840665/24-0-3-patch-notes
24.0.3 Patch Notes
Patch 24.0.3, launching today, includes
adjustments to Standard, Wild, Battlegrounds, and Duels, as well
as a couple bug fixes!
[4:32 PM]
Warcraft 3: Reforged:
[4:32 PM]
Patch 1.33 is out this week.
[4:32 PM]
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/warcraft3/23816417/warcraft-iii-reforged-patch-1-33-0-now-live
Warcraftฎ III: Reforged Patch 1.33.0 Now Live
The latest patch is now live and includes
Ranked Play, Player Profiles, Leaderboards, and more.
[4:33 PM]
That's it for the Games Site.
[4:33 PM]
Feel free to send news in maybe with a cc to your's truly for the
general News if something cool happens elsewhere like Eve Online,
etc. Advertise your game!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:33 PM
ranked leaderboards? I think people have been waiting for that for
a long time
Varda Today at 4:34 PM
Very good!
[4:34 PM]
Make a bunch of folks happy. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:34 PM
Including the classic portraits, too. Nice.
Varda Today at 4:34 PM
: )
[4:35 PM]
That's it for the Games Site
http://valarguild.org/gaming/news/2022
The Valar Guild Games Site
Valar Guild Games Site
Lord of the Rings
Online:
[4:35 PM]
The Crickhollow kin branch is coming together. : )
[4:36 PM]
It should be an auto-invite to the kin for those moving from Anor
to Crickhollow unless the name is taken.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:36 PM
If it's Crickhollow, don't you mean "conspiracy"?
Varda Today at 4:36 PM
hehe - for sure!
[4:37 PM]
We don't know yet if this is going to affect LotRO in any way, but
interesting on its own:
https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/lord-rings-embracer-group
Protocol
How Embracer Group bought Lord of the Rings
rights for a bargain
The Swedish holding company, known best for its
gaming acquisitions, bought the rights to The Lord of the Rings.
But the deal is much more complicated than it seems.
[4:38 PM]
The various rights still have other owners too. Like
Harper-Collins still has the books.
So we'll see.
Landroval kin branch, RP
encouraged full server:
Arien
Bregalad
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Nar
Thranduil
Varda
Crickhollow kin branch, full
server:
Arien
Falco
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax kin branch, fast
difficulty sider, VIP required:
Varda
Treebeard kin branch, slow
difficulty slider, VIP required:
Varda
[4:39 PM]
Nice to see some rarer names showing up too, such as Bregalad and
Thranduil.
I haven't managed to catch Osse yet for an invite. My last check
didn't show him out of the intro where he could be kinned yet, but
didn't check today.
On August 17th:
The Reward Track has now restarted for the next three-month
period, including new rewards, for track number three.
The Virtue cap has increased to 82.
The Legendary Item levels now go up to 480.
[4:40 PM]
Those things have kept us busy all by themselves, scrambling to
level them up. : )
Any other gaming news? Any game at all, requests, invites needed?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:41 PM
Nothing like seasonal reward tracks to get people active
Varda Today at 4:41 PM
True!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:41 PM
Works for Hearthstone and Diablo III as well!
Varda Today at 4:42 PM
We all like to see some kind of progress, rewards, or feel useful
somehow. : )
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Tolkien!
[4:43 PM]
Did either of you have a comment, suggestion, Moment? Kind of get
drowned out on a normal day sometimes.
(Some of us talk too much. cough)
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:44 PM
Well, one more mention about seasonal rewards, I saw a Diablo
3 blog post and realized that the "cycle" of seasonal
rewards is almost round again, which means they may be putting the
last cycle's chapter 8 rewards towards chapter 4 from 2 seasons
from now.... I might have to start playing seasons again!
Arien Valar Today at 4:44 PM
Well, I did come across a certain item while gaming in Lotro
earlier this week
[4:45 PM]
an interesting thing
i ll try not to spoil the quest line and tell the end of it but
the item involved was called an oathstone
[4:46 PM]
with it apparently Sauron kept control of people he had gotten to
swear an oath of fealty for him
Varda Today at 4:47 PM
Have to watch out for those oath things!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:47 PM
Almost as bad as riddles.
Arien Valar Today at 4:47 PM
in the Book .. Aragon rides to a certain stone where he calls the
mountain king of the dead on the paths of the dead remember?>#
Varda Today at 4:48 PM
Stone of Erech
Arien Valar Today at 4:48 PM
the Stone of Erech indeed
was that such an oathstone maybe?
Varda Today at 4:48 PM
We plopped it down in our kin house yard when Aragorn was through
with it. ; )
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:48 PM
Sounds like the idea is based on it, at least.
Varda Today at 4:49 PM
It was where the oath was made by the oathbreakers. Fitting that
it is where they renewed it and finally discharged their duty.
So, it does suggest that oaths might be made on something very
noticeable in the environment. That would be a precedent.
[4:50 PM]
The Silmarillion is loaded with actions forced by oaths.
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:50 PM
Swearing an oath on stone does give a certain solidity to it.
Etched in stone, as it were.
Varda Today at 4:50 PM
(Swear not!)
[4:51 PM]
Elrond warned Gimli against having the Fellowship swear an oath.
Good thing!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:51 PM
Good for Rohan, at least
Varda Today at 4:51 PM
Aye, etched in stone!
Arien Valar Today at 4:52 PM
but yeah i wondered where the game got the idea from or is it
really Tolkien based?
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 4:53 PM
I do think they had Erech in mind as inspiration of sorts.
Varda Today at 4:53 PM
The concept of oaths being binding, very Tolkienesque. The Stone
of Erech was around a long time too.
[4:54 PM]
Sauron would be very aware of the binding quality of oaths.
Arien Valar Today at 4:55 PM
Yeah , but you have to consider that the (spoiler alert)
destrucftion of the oath stone meant that parts of the enemy army
felt not bound anymore to hang around Barad dur in the battle of
the last alliance and returned to their own country
Varda Today at 4:58 PM
Maybe need to use the power of the Ring to hold such a stone
together! Same way as Barad-dur. Stays up until Sauron has no more
need of it being "dead".
Arien Valar Today at 4:59 PM
all right
[5:00 PM]
was just an intriguing thought , so i wanted to mention it and
hear your opinions
Varda Today at 5:02 PM
Thank you. It is interesting.
[5:03 PM]
One more thing on the Embracer Group, actually on their own
website:
https://embracer.com/release/embracer-group-enters-into-agreement-to-acquire-ip-rights-to-the-lord-of-the-rings-and-the-hobbit-literary-works-by-j-r-r-tolkien/
Embracer Group
Embracer Group enters into agreement to acquire
IP rights to The Lo...
[5:04 PM]
Also comments on the LotRO forum:
[5:04 PM]
https://forums.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?695821-Embracer-Group-to-acquire-IP-rights-to-The-Lord-of-the-Rings-literary-works-by-J-R-R-Tolkien
Embracer Group to acquire IP rights to The Lord
of the Rings liter...
https://embracer.com/release/embracer-group-enters-into-agreement-to-acquire-ip-rights-to-the-lord-of-the-rings-and-the-hobbit-literary-works-by-j-r-r-tolkien
Does this mean anything for Lotro?
[5:04 PM]
It really looks as if it won't hurt our game. : )
Not taking oath on it though! Just looks like we'll be ok.
[5:06 PM]
We have reached the hour.
How does it come up so quickly? : )
[5:08 PM]
the gavel detaches from the sundial on the table
hops over to the hammerpad that is tapping its rim
impatiently on the shiny table surface. Is that basalt?
[5:09 PM]
thonkkkk! echoes
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After-meeting!
Pallando-Valar Today at 5:09 PM
Oh, look, I'm just in time!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 5:09 PM
Starting to catch geology, Varda?
Arien Valar Today at 5:10 PM
hey aiya Palando
Varda Today at 5:10 PM
Pallando! Aiya : )
My brother was working on his Geology degree. Sandalf is not the
only geologist I've been around. ; )
Free chat, Pallando. : )
[5:11 PM]
You can talk Eve or your last fishing
trip!
Pallando-Valar Today at 5:13 PM
sadly no fishing trips recently
had a big fight in eve last night
Varda Today at 5:14 PM
Sounds as if you've had an adventure!
Pallando-Valar Today at 5:14 PM
big thing for me now thouigh is that the eve alliance tournament
is coming up and we're putting a team in again
so lots of time practicing for that
Varda Today at 5:20 PM
Sounds like you're busy!
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 5:21 PM
Good luck with the tournament, then
Arien Valar Today at 5:22 PM
Good luck indeed
Pallando-Valar Today at 5:24 PM
The feeder rounds will be on twitch in October, I'll be sure to
mention the date/time of our matches once we get there.
Tournament proper is in November, if we make it there.
Varda Today at 5:27 PM
You will!
Varda Today at 5:45 PM
Namarie for now
Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 5:45 PM
namarie! will give report soon
Arien Valar Today at 5:48 PM
Namarie
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Ar-Pharazon-V Today at 6:00 PM
Personal gaming report!
[6:01 PM]
For (non)flashgaming, so many good choices this week,
though I've linked em all multiple times before, as is getting
typical A bit randomly, I'll give you
https://www.kongregate.com/games/targaciej/hook
Kongregate
Hook
Tiny minimal puzzle game.
Full version:
http://playthehook.com
[6:02 PM]
A puzzle game where you have to untangle hooks in order by
clicking the connected circles. Mostly it's about figuring which
one tangles where, but occasionally some timing is necessary as
well.
[6:03 PM]
That said, you can generally take your time to figure things out,
no rush, and the whole vibe of the game, including the sound
effects, is about relaxation.
[6:08 PM]
Blizzard gaming:
[6:09 PM]
Hearthstone:
Level 47 on the reward track. Still doing my quests!
[6:10 PM]
Including an event-related quest (I used to call them legendary,
but I don't think they're called that anymore) about playing 3
Location cards.
[6:11 PM]
Since I had no Location cards yet - and found out that each class
has exactly one, though I guess you can have 2 of those in your
deck - I opened and bought and opened some packs for this
expansion, until I got one so I could play 3 games with it.
Good thing I have more gold than I know what to do with
[6:13 PM]
Along the way for those packs I got a legendary hunter minion,
Ara'lon, who Shadowlands players may remember from Ardenweald. He
has some synergy with Wildseeds, which I've not encountered in the
packs yet, so no sense using him. Still, a legendary!
[6:14 PM]
In any case, once I got a Location, luckily the quest did not take
very long
[6:16 PM]
Brawl is the Chess one, where you get the decks from Medivh's
chessboard, but with 6 cards of your choosing added in. Picked up
some charge minions, hoping they would catch the enemy by
surprise, but as it turned out, the win I got was mainly through
the chess element after all.
[6:18 PM]
Still no mercs this week, still rather busy with parents and
watching some tv shows that we watch together... basically a bit
of catchup from the previous few weeks of vacation. And I must
admit, I don't really see the urgency of getting back into mercs
when there's other stuff to do. I still like the game mode, so I
will be getting back to it, but it might be a few weeks more.
[6:19 PM]
Maybe when the heat dies down and I'm less tired all day... maybe?
WoW:
[6:20 PM]
More raiding! And it's going about as well as it went the week
before. We cleared Sanctum easily on tuesday, and started fated
Sepulcher on thursday, clearing 6 out of 10 bosses. The wings are
down, and we find ourselves in front of Anduin for the final
stretch.
[6:21 PM]
7 out of 11, sorry. I knew my math was off somewhere.
[6:22 PM]
In any case, since we've not even tried the Jailer in the past, I
doubt we'll clear the bunch on tuesday, but Anduin, Lords of Dread
and Rygelon should be doable. If we do get the Jailer, it means
we'll get our slimesaber mount already, but I suspect it'll take a
few more upgrades and rotations to make that work for us.
[6:23 PM]
Weekly is timewalks, which I completed tonight, for which I got...
the Jailer's weapon. Normal fated, which means it's worse than the
weapon I got for the weekly quest last week. But it's still a
unique item with a nice appearance, so there's that.
[6:26 PM]
And I got enough anima to buy the most expensive soulshape from
the anima vendors (that I know of), which is the ram. Two more
soulshapes to go for 30000 total, after which I'm pretty much done
with anima on my main. I suspect after that I'll stop doing
missions and wildseeds, since I haven't gotten a new weapon
appearance for several patches anyway, and I suspect those were
updated out of the wildseeds at one point.
Should save me some time on a daily basis.
[6:27 PM]
I did get my paladin started again, completing the penitent hunt,
switching sides, taking down the Fearstalker and making my way
into the Ember Ward. Surely her adventures with the amiable "Mad
Duke" Theotar shall be glorious
[6:32 PM]
and that's my report for the week!
Sandalf13 Today at 6:57 PM
Is anyone still here?
Varda Today at 7:16 PM
I'm back
Welcome back, Sandalf : )
[7:17 PM]
Phar, thanks for the report. : )
Sandalf13 Today at 7:38 PM
Hello Varda! I am safely at home in Lincoln. IT was a
wonderful trip, but I am still glad and thankful to be home.
Varda Today at 7:56 PM
Huzzah!
Sandalf13 Today at 7:57 PM
As you know, I had to leave the Buick in NY for some engine work.
I will fly back to NY on 14 or 15 Sep for a QUICK trip to pick the
car up and drive it back to Nebraska.
Varda Today at 7:57 PM
What fun. eww
Sandalf13 Today at 7:57 PM
Chapter Two looks lovely. You did some great work getting the
entire thing formatted. I hope that the other chapters you have
will go a lot easier for you.
Varda Today at 7:58 PM
They will. : )
Getting the meeting transcript set up to go online right now.
Sandalf13 Today at 8:00 PM
I am working on Chapters 7, 8, 9, and the Introduction. Like my
book, the Introduction will be idiosyncratic. I am going to aim
for only four or five influences on Tolkien and his work that I
think may be unique perspectives. We All know that the War no
doubt very strongly influenced him, as well as his deep
Catholicism. I don't think I can add anything to the scholarly
work that discusses those influences...but what about Immanuel
Kant, and Cesar Franck? I will bet that no has yet suggested those
influences...although I very well could be wrong.
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