August 14, 2022
Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings
Time
Discord: Valar
Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
Attending (and typed): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Pallando,
Sandalf13, Varda (presiding)
Seen during the week in
Europe: Shelob, Helm
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Tolkien Site/ Articles:
"The Last Line in Tolkien"
by Sandalf13-(T)
Gaming:
World of
Warcraft, Overwatch,
Lord of the Rings Online
Tolkien:
Topic:
How was the problem of Morgoth's harm to Arda begun and how was it
handled?
After-meeting:.
(non)Flashgaming
Reviews (plus) by Ar-Pharazon. Includes Blizzard games.
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Before-meeting
Varda 08/14/2022
Aiya
[4:01 PM]
@Bounder Aiya! Time to tell tales of gaming, Tolkien, and just
chat, say howdy to old friends in the Valar Guild!
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
Heya.
Varda 08/14/2022
Aiya Eonwe : )
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
Aiya all
Varda 08/14/2022
Aiya Arien : )
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
We may meet again in a world far away. Noone shall ever ask the
name of the one who tells the story ~
Varda 08/14/2022
I might. ; )
[4:04 PM]
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Membership:
[4:04 PM]
Any sightings of fellow Valarites in Europe or just around? : )
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20sIhZLVJR4
YouTube
Rockwell185
Blind Guardian-The Bard's Song (lyrics)
Varda 08/14/2022
There are those that I can't see, don't game there or don't have
the game.
[4:05 PM]
Thanks for the link.
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
I ve seen Shelob. one Ar Pharazon and Helm
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Sorry! Aiya All! My Discord automatically opened up to a
conversation with Varda...my bad for not checking first.
Varda 08/14/2022
O wow. Good to hear. Hope Helm is ok, haven't heard from him
except through you.
[4:07 PM]
Always glad to hear from you on my chat too. : )
Your priorities are straight. ; )
[4:08 PM]
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Web:
[4:08 PM]
Thank you to Eonwe for keeping up the Games site, huge help.
In news for the Tolkien Site,
Sandalf's "The Last Line in Tolkien" is at last ready to view.
[4:09 PM]
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/papers/Sandalf13/2LastLine.htm
Enjoy! Quite an amazing feat of scholarship.
Sandalf, would you like to tell us what you started out to do but
then discovered as you went along?
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Aiya!
Varda 08/14/2022
Aiya Phar : )
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
(middle of heatwave, and busy weekend with parents still gone,
will fetch dinner in a few minutes)
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
I do not know where to start. On my first reading of the LoTR back
in 1970, I did not pay any attention to it, but tens of readings
later, I noted that Tolkien divided each of this chapters in a
variable number of short segments. I asked myself if there could
be any significance to these section breaks, and wanted to know
who (or what) ended each segment, so I began to tally them up. The
results amazed me, because, I believe, this analysis provides a
fertile field for further fundamental research into the LoTR. Some
of the things I discovered are really intriguing...and that is the
best word that I can use.
[4:14 PM]
The results of my study are published in a series of fourteen (14)
tables in the chapter, and even now, I am discovering new things
by looking at the data compilation.
There will be more coming based upon this Chapter (Chapter Two)
alone!
Varda 08/14/2022
Answer a question and find a thousand questions more.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
What will you order for dinner, Ar?
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
I think I got some noodles and vegetables out of the fridge
earlier today. Just gotta heat it up.
Varda 08/14/2022
That works.
[4:17 PM]
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Gaming:
[4:17 PM]
Eonwe, will you be able to do a Gaming report for us?
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Ah. I thought you were ordering some dinner from a local eatery.
BTW, greetings from Hilliard, Ohio.
(image)
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
That looks amazing.
[4:19 PM]
The houses, the signs, the clear weather... it's like some idyllic
town.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Ohio is much older and more settled than Lincoln. It took me 12
hours to drive here straight from Lincoln on Friday. About the
same time it takes to get from Lincoln to Houston, TX.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Right. Back in a few minutes then
Varda 08/14/2022
Ok, are we ready for Gaming news, gang? Eonwe is set for it.
[4:20 PM]
Go ahead, Eonwe.
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
Thanks.
[4:21 PM]
World of Warcraft:
[4:21 PM]
This week's Bonus Event: Shadowlands Dungeons.
The PvP Brawl: Cooking Impossible runs through Tuesday, August
16th.
The Torghast event: Chorus of Dead Souls is going this week.
[4:22 PM]
See also these blogs:
World of Warcraft News and Development Updates ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23832636/world-of-warcraft-news-and-development-updates
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft News and Development Updates
- WoW
Catch up on the latest World of Warcraft
release dates, news, hotfixes, and more in our newest update.
[4:23 PM]
Shadowlands 9.2.7 Update Notes ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23833174/shadowlands-927-update-notes
World of Warcraft
Shadowlands 9.2.7 Update Notes - WoW
The Shadowlands 9.2.7 update arrives to World
of Warcraft on August 16!
[4:23 PM]
Dragonflight Dungeon Preview: A Bounty of Adventure Ahead ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23816413/dragonflight-dungeon-preview-a-bounty-of-adventure-ahead
World of Warcraft
Dragonflight Dungeon Preview: A Bounty of
Adventure Ahead - WoW
Face new challenges and adventures in the
Dragon Isles with four new level-up dungeons and four
maximum-level dungeons. Danger, malice, and perhaps a bit of loot
are yours to discover.
[4:23 PM]
Dragonflight Zone Preview: Ohn'ahran Plains ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23837377/dragonflight-zone-preview-ohnahran-plains
World of Warcraft
Dragonflight Zone Preview: Ohn'ahran Plains -
WoW
Explore the Ohn'ahran Plains, a verdant region
filled with sweeping plateaus, mesas, groves, and valleys abundant
with life.
[4:23 PM]
Wrath Classic Zone Guide: Borean Tundra and Howling Fjord ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23816544/wrath-classic-zone-guide-borean-tundra-and-howling-fjord
World of Warcraft
Wrath Classic Zone Guide: Borean Tundra and
Howling Fjord - WoW
Brave adventurers looking to start their
journey in Northrend have two zones to choose fromBorean Tundra
and Howling Fjord.
[4:23 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23800887/hotfixes-august-12-2022
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: August 12, 2022 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
[4:23 PM]
Overwatch:
[4:24 PM]
Overwatch Anniversary Remix Vol. 3 is now live. ---
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23833172/overwatch-anniversary-remix-vol-3-is-now-live/
Overwatch
Overwatch Anniversary Remix Vol. 3 is now live!
From now until August 30, join the party, earn
weekly rewards, and play all of your favorite seasonal brawls.
[4:24 PM]
Thus ends my report.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
A good report was had by all.
Varda 08/14/2022
Thank you, Eonwe.
[4:24 PM]
A bit more on
LotRO:
[4:24 PM]
hehe, Sandy
[4:25 PM]
The server for our Anor kin branch will shut down Aug 31.
We got ahead of it on August 10
The kinship from Anor jumped that day to Crickhollow.
Those that have room are welcome to jump to Landroval, since both
Crick and Landy are regular servers.
[4:26 PM]
A number of us just had too many characters to go to Landroval and
didn't want their destruction.
Anyway, if an Anorian from our kin transfers to Crickhollow, the
characters automatically are in kin.
[4:27 PM]
They keep their shared and personal storages.
We already have a new kin island ready to decorate. It has a
banker and some of the crafting stations already, and some deco.
Mail items do not move, so check that.
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
and when is the free transfer again what date?
Varda 08/14/2022
It is going now. It started Aug 10
[4:28 PM]
That is why we moved on that date, to be available for the kin.
All automatically make it into the kin since Fainan moved already.
[4:29 PM]
If going to Landroval, holler at an officer as usual. : )
We are here for you.
Transfer is done from the Launcher, not the character list.
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
cool okay i ll see to it then when i get to it hopefully on
wednesday or thursday
Varda 08/14/2022
Log in as usual, use the Transfer button under the Play button.
[4:30 PM]
Great!
[4:31 PM]
I may be reachable from Discord most of the week just to help out
on the various jumps, wherever you might go.
We are doing this just to give Eonwe more programming work. ; )
[4:31 PM]
Landroval kin branch,
our main, RP-encouraged but otherwise regular server:
Arien
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Ioreth
Nar
Varda
Anor: no longer a kin branch
present.
Crickhollow server kin branch,
secondary regular server, replaces Anor branch:
Fangorn
Varda
Shadowfax server kin branch, fast
difficulty slider, goes to level 100
Arien
Varda
Treebeard server kin branch, slow
difficulty slider, goes to level 65.
Varda
[4:33 PM]
Any other gaming or membership news, requests, comments? Any who
would like an invite on one of the branches?
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Oh, small mention...
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Both Markus and Caity are gamers, and I am going to sit down with
Markus tomorrow and keep working on LoTRO.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
A quiz I watch regularly had a round on words made with certain
letters, and someone said "beam", and a commentary was that it
also used to mean tree in old english, rather than just a wooden
pole...
Varda 08/14/2022
Mainly you need to practice moving your character. It takes
learning the muscle memory.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
So now Quickbeam makes sense
Varda 08/14/2022
A beam is used in building.
[4:35 PM]
ahh, nice. : )
[4:36 PM]
Thanks for that, Phar.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Beam in English is derived from the same root as "Baum" in
German, that means "tree."
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Just wanted to mention it
[4:36 PM]
Ah yes, makes sense, "boom" (pronounced boam, I suppose) in Dutch.
Varda 08/14/2022
For movement, you can use the arrow keys or WASD, whichever is
more comfortable.
[4:36 PM]
and the mouse.
[4:37 PM]
Once you get used to it, practice puts it in muscle memory and
makes the rest of the game easier.
[4:38 PM]
Quick-tree
Any other comments on anything?
[4:39 PM]
Hi to Eowyn and Fangorn gaming in Starcraft 2 right now. : )
On to
[4:39 PM]
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Tolkien:
[4:39 PM]
If you have a topic you want to mention, sing out now before mine
is typed in. ; )
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
or forever hold your peas
Varda 08/14/2022
hehe
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
I was in the Hilliard Branch of the Columbus OH Public Library
with Caity and 2-year-old Ingrid yesterday afternoon, and found a
brand new book, "The Nature of Moddle-earth," by J.R.R. Tolkien
and edited by the eminent Tolkien scholar Carl F. Hostetter. It
will find its way into the references for some of my future
chapters. It was published in 2021.
Varda 08/14/2022
It's a nice one. We've mentioned it here before, and several of us
have a copy.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
That is to say, Middle-earth....Moddle-earth is located in a model
factory somewhere.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Yep, pretty recent, about a year or so maybe?
[4:42 PM]
At least it's not muddle-earth.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Yes...but sometimes we mere mortals do in fact, muddle through our
Middle-Earth.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Muddle-earth sticks on your boots.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
In a middling sort of way.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
It meddles with your mood.
Varda 08/14/2022
Here's hoping you find a copy to buy for your very own soon. : )
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
I hope so! I shal check out Amazon books when I get back to
Lincoln...about one week plus from now.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Oh, and I read over your mention of 2021 when I said it was
recent, sorry
[4:45 PM]
I don't think we needed confirmation that 2021 was a year ago.
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
I don't know. For some of us it might feel like longer.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
It seems as if the Pandemic took a two year chunk out of our
lives. I find myself thinking about things pre-Covid as if they
were just last year.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
That would make the book even more recent!
Varda 08/14/2022
Here's a potential topic. Due to time constraints, maybe just the
last half?
[4:52 PM]
How was the problem of Morgoth's harm to Arda begun and how was it
handled?
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Well, ultimately it was handled by destroying the world and
rebuilding it without his harm
Varda 08/14/2022
Good point.
[4:54 PM]
Arda Unmarred.
[4:55 PM]
The topic was too vaguely worded. I apologize.
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
In the meantime, the entirety of Arda was working against him.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Well, he had his own minions, though that was mostly taken out of
his own power, so it may not really count.
Varda 08/14/2022
Even gone, Morgoth left his influence in the planet itself. Thus
the book "Morgoth's Ring".
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Tolkien made the point many times that once the seeds of evil are
sown in Arda (or anywhere, for that matter), they will sprout and
grow even if the hand that sowed them is long time gone.
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
Arda by its nature was good. That meant that after Morgoth's
interference, it tried to get back to working order. Arda, much
like a living body, tries to heal.
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
thats why plants grow over ruined buildings
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Pretty sure that's just because they can As long as there's
space and light...
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
new life over old desruction
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
This is true, but I think Tolkien's message may be that eternal
vigilance against evil is always needed...
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
oh aye definitely
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
For us personally as well as a society.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMjQ3hA9mEA
YouTube
MoovieQuotes
Life Finds A Way
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
That is what the rangers obviously felt as well in their guard
service , the old decendants of Numendor, or older beings like
Ents , Tom Bombadil and his wife or Elrond who guarded the old
knowledge and memory of the Elder Days in Rivendell
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Yes. Tolkien provides many good examples of eternal vigilance, I
believe.
[5:03 PM]
I needs apologize to everyone for an early departure this evening.
Ingrid is getting cranky, as we are moving past her usual dining
hour...so I must say "Namarie" early and take them all to a
sandwich shop for dinner. I will try to be here next Sunday, it
just depends upon when I arrive in Jolliet, Illinois, on my way
back to Lincoln from NY. I will be staying overnight in Joliet. It
is 7 hours further west to Lincoln from there...
Varda 08/14/2022
It is the hour : )
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Namarie! Enjoy the sandwiches
Varda 08/14/2022
Hello to Ingrid!
[5:04 PM]
Namarie
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Thank you! And I hope everyone enjoys their dinner as well! Sei
gesund!
Varda 08/14/2022
The gavel tosses oil into the air and jumps under it
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Ingrid says Hello to everyone!
Varda 08/14/2022
the hammerpad slides under both and
[5:05 PM]
thonnnnnkkkkyyyyy
[5:05 PM]
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After-meeting!
[5:05 PM]
aww /wave
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Varda 08/14/2022
Nice : )
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
So focused on her food.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
NAmarie!
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
Namarie
Varda 08/14/2022
Namarie
[5:12 PM]
I'll be on Landroval for a bit. Easy to switch if needed.
Tinwetari the Minstrel Hobbit.
[5:18 PM]
heh, the Rings of Power is now being referred to as an acronym:
RoP.
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Sounds fitting, for such an important plot point in an MMO
Varda 08/14/2022
Comes out in 4 days for those who will be viewing it.
[5:19 PM]
It's the show on Amazon they're referring to, but aye. Acronyms
all over the game!
Because JRRT has lonnnng words!
Arien Valar 08/14/2022
Namarie all from me
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Namarie!
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Have you already done your personal gaming report? We are already
back from dinner...Jersey Mike's Subs...
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Nope, not yet Was doing some browsing and WoWing.
Sandalf13 08/14/2022
Good! I enjoy reading your weekly report.
Pallando-Valar 08/14/2022
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Aiya!
Varda 08/14/2022
Aiya Pallando : )
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Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Alright then, personal gaming report, as requested
[7:12 PM]
Not that I wasn't going to do it anyway.
[7:13 PM]
For (non)flashgaming: A few gold old badges this week, and I'll
give...
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In Evo Explores you should trust your eyes.
If something look...
[7:16 PM]
A puzzle game where you have to walk your little robot across
levels, while also moving your mouse to manipulate the level
itself, with rotations, buttons, and other stuff. Levels are quite
Escher-like in their physics, making interesting gameplay.
[7:18 PM]
Make your way across 14 sets of levels, with some interesting
"lessons" along the way - though making a level problem go away by
hiding it is a good one to remember - and finally reach the rocket
to leave that strange world
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Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
Blizzard gaming:
[8:00 PM]
Hearthstone:
Level 38 on the reward track now, getting some more gold and
golden cards, as well as a few decks for the rewards.
[8:02 PM]
I did get the achievement for 800 total levels across all reward
tracks along the way, giving me another choice of tier 2 class-set
skins. Not really interested in using any that remain, but the
Nemesis Gul'dan skin looked nice, so why not?
[8:04 PM]
And while I continue to use the old basic decks I've used for
years, slowly I've been updating them with Renathal: The legendary
that increases the deck size from 30 to 40, and just filling in a
few extra cards on top of the decks. Might help!
[8:05 PM]
Brawl is Cloneball: You get a random deck with random legendaries,
each present 4 times. Randomness indeed, and while I had a few bad
runs, eventually the dice were in my favor
After all, some legendaries are much worse than others
Especially the niche ones can be annoying, for example one that
buffs spells... without having spells.
[8:06 PM]
No mercing done this week, was quite busy... needed to catch up on
a lot of stuff I'd recorded so there's room for my mom's stuff
while she's on vacation I think I watched about 10 hours of
tv yesterday... but hey, vacation!
[8:07 PM]
Next week, mercs should be back in the picture!
WoW:
Raiding continues! And is going well. They weren't kidding when
they said that while Fated has been upgraded for our ilevel, it's
not supposed to be a whole new progression.
[8:08 PM]
We cleared Nathria on normal on tuesday, only our second raidnight
of the reset, and with this reset's raid being Sanctum of
Domination, we got to 7 out of 10 on normal in one night. With
some luck we'll be able to clear that as well on tuesday.
[8:09 PM]
The week after that... we'll see. We never did kill the Jailer on
normal, so I doubt we'll get him in the next reset on Fated
[8:10 PM]
But yes, progress is being made, and with it, loot! I got a few
tier-slot pieces which I'm not using because I still don't have
the Catalyst to make them tier, but some other pieces like a ring,
a cloak and some boots have dropped for me as well.
[8:11 PM]
But my most important loot of the reset was yesterday! The weekly
quest is 4 mythic dungeons, which always gives a random heroic
piece, and in this season that's heroic fated... 291 ilevel. We
are not planning to focus on heroic fated raids, so that might be
the only way for me to get 291 pieces, and as luck would have it,
my random reward was a weapon
[8:13 PM]
The weapon I was already using the non-fated normal version of, in
fact, from Sepulcher: Elysia's Promise!
[8:14 PM]
https://www.wowhead.com/item=189799
Or, as I like to call it, the Cotton Swab
Wowhead
Elysia's Promise
This epic staff has an item level of 226. It is
looted from Prototype of War. In the Staves category. Added in
World of Warcraft: Shadowlands.
[8:14 PM]
So yes, as this might be one of few top-ilevel items I get, it
being a weapon is quite useful.
[8:15 PM]
I will certainly be using it into Dragonflight!
Oh, and in the brawl I hit honor level 100! With it, a new title:
Unstoppable Force.
[8:16 PM]
For those in the know, I'd have preferred Immovable Object, but
alas, that doesn't seem to be an unlockable title
And for the same reason I did no mercing in Hearthstone, also no
alting in WoW. Next week, though, I should be able to pick up
where I left off in the Penitent Hunt.
And that's my report for the week!
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
If anyone is interested in something full of 80s craziness and
running on pure Refuge in Audacity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY
YouTube
DavidHasselhoffVEVO
David Hasselhoff - True Survivor (from "Kung
Fury") [Official Video]
Ar-Pharazon-V 08/14/2022
namarie!
Eonwλ Valar 08/14/2022
Sleep well
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