Valar Guild

June 6, 2021 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings Time
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for Eastern.]


Attending (and spoke): (7)
    Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Elrond, Eonwe, Fangorn/Treebeard, Shelob, Varda (presiding)
Contents:
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
    General: Lord of the Rings Online, World of Warcraft, Overwatch, Hearthstone 
Tolkien:
    Topic: from Eonwe: Intriguing oddities occurred in Eregion with the Fellowship, before entering Moria.
After-meeting:
    Tolkien chat continues quite a while.
    (non)Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting

Shelob
— 06/04/2021
You need a jar. Patrick, that's Frostmourne.
[12:49 PM]
Did you not learn anything from the last time?

June 6, 2021

Varda — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
hehe
[4:01 PM]
Aiya!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Heya all.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Eonwe : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya

Varda — Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Arien  : )
[4:03 PM]
Doing some kin invites back and forth

Elrond — Yesterday at 4:03 PM
Aiya

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:04 PM
nice
[4:04 PM]
new members?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:05 PM
Nope - just some little alts

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:05 PM
Bah, afk for a moment.

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Varda — Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Elen sila lumenn'  omentielvo!
[4:07 PM]
Membership:
[4:07 PM]
Fangorn and I are doing kin invitations for alts
[4:07 PM]
I can also pop over to Anor for folks needing their characters kinned, if anyone is ready?
[4:08 PM]
Dis has now heard about the move and will be needing invitations.
[4:08 PM]
She has a ton of characters. : )

Treebeard — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Hello

Varda — Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Frodo and family (son, wife) will be running in Landroval around the end of the meeting, on level 10
[4:09 PM]
Aiya Fangorn : )
[4:09 PM]
So we have some smaller characters made to run with them, hopefully.
[4:09 PM]
Any other membership news?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
 i think i have my smallest alt s around 11 or 12 on landi or so

Varda — Yesterday at 4:10 PM
Perfect
[4:11 PM]
Web:
[4:11 PM]
No new news from me.
[4:12 PM]

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Gaming:
[4:12 PM]
Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:12 PM]
Update 30 may be out next week, we'll see.
[4:12 PM]
Wednesdays are morning downtime maintenance, so they may be considering making that the Update day.
[4:12 PM]
Just a thought.
[4:13 PM]
The Update is called "Blood of Azog".

Standing Stone Games is looking for a Senior Character Artist for both games, in case any of you is interested or has an interested friend.
[4:14 PM]
https://www.daybreakgames.com/careers?job=5086244002
Daybreak Game Company
Careers at Daybreak | Daybreak Game Company
daybreakgames.com is Daybreak Game Company's ultimate online gaming destination, providing immersive entertainment for your PC and Console.


Treebeard — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
I'm using "Fangbark" in Landroval server for invites right now.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Thank you. : )

Elrond — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Don't think my skill in stick drawing and crayon eating will suffice for that.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Aiya Elrond  : )
[4:15 PM]
Awww!
[4:15 PM]
You can join the stick drawing company of Arathorn. : )
[4:16 PM]
You may have seen his stick drawing of the Nazgul on the Fell Beast? : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
wouldnt  that be something for this Artist who was a Guild friend for a while?
[4:16 PM]
what was her name again|? or Tolkien member ..

Varda — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/art/gallery/Arathorn/caveArathorn.htm
[4:16 PM]
I may go bother him, aye. : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
she was really good

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Aiya!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
We actually have several good artists
[4:17 PM]
One is professional for comic books

Treebeard — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Hello

Varda — Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Do you mean the Bohemian Weasel? She's still with us.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
yes

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Or Cassia? She's not been doing art for a while on Tolkien subjects, as work art was different and ate time.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Bohemian ~Weasel

Varda — Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Aye, would be good to mention
[4:18 PM]
Thanks for the suggestion. : )
[4:19 PM]
She is pretty busy selling her own art, but maybe.
[4:19 PM]
I wonder if Maedhros/Gneech would be interested. : )

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
well you can tickle her and ask her .. doesnt hurt

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:19 PM
I dunno, tickling can hurt some people.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:21 PM
I just passed it on to Maedhros who is online in Discord right now.
[4:21 PM]
I'll be gentle. ; )
[4:21 PM]

World of Warcraft:
[4:21 PM]
Tuesday's news:
[4:21 PM]
This week's Bonus Event: Arena Skirmishes.
[4:22 PM]
The Torghast event: Unbridled Darkness begins today and runs through Monday, June 7th.
[4:22 PM]
Sunday news:
[4:22 PM]
The Darkmoon Faire begins today and runs through Saturday, June 10th
[4:22 PM]
The Thousand Boat Bash begins today in Thousand Needles and runs through Tuesday, June 8th.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Classic: The Dark Portal opened live :D#

Varda — Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Thanks, Arien!
[4:22 PM]
Excited about flying in Shadowlands content? Then check out this blog:
[4:23 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23679745/prepare-for-lift-off-get-ready-for-flying-in-chains-of-domination
    World of Warcraft
    Prepare for Lift Off: Get Ready for Flying in Chains of Domination ...
    Read on to see what you can do right now so you can get into the air in Chains of Domination.

[4:23 PM]
A couple of blogs were put up this week for Burning Crusade Classic:
[4:23 PM]
Burning Crusade Classic Community Resources
[4:23 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23657324/burning-crusade-classic-community-resources
    World of Warcraft
    Burning Crusade Classic Community Resources - WoW
    Burning Crusade Classic provides players the opportunity to go beyond the Dark Portal to face the fel forces of the Burning Legion, but no one needs to go it alone. We’ve gathered some of the best resources from around the community to help.

[4:24 PM]
Honor System Updates for Burning Crusade Classic
[4:24 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23670022/honor-system-updates-for-burning-crusade-classic
    World of Warcraft
    Honor System Updates for Burning Crusade Classic - WoW
    With Burning Crusade Classic, players will experience an updated Honor system. Learn how obtaining gear and ranking up is different than WoW Classic in our overview.

[4:24 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23646890/hotfixes-june-4-2021
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: June 4, 2021 - WoW
    Here you will find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands and WoW Classic.

[4:25 PM]
Pardon, was someone trying to type a WoW comment? Go ahead.
[4:26 PM]

Overwatch:
[4:26 PM]
Bonus XP weekened is going through June 8th.
[4:27 PM]
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23674488/overwatch-double-xp-weekend-june-4-8/
    Overwatch
    Overwatch Double XP Weekend | June 4-8
    Thanks for a great year, heroes! To celebrate, all players who log in this weekend will earn DOUBLE XP.

[4:27 PM]
Hearthstone:
[4:27 PM]
Patch 20.4 is out.
[4:27 PM]
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23676205/20-4-patch-notes
    20.4 Patch Notes
    Patch 20.4 brings the Wailing Caverns Mini-Set, balance updates, and more!

[4:28 PM]
The Wailing Caverns mini-set came out this week.
[4:28 PM]
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23676206/prepare-yourself-adventurer-the-wailing-caverns-mini-set-is-here
    Prepare Yourself Adventurer, the Wailing Caverns Mini-Set is Here!
    Explore the Wailing Caverns in Hearthstone’s all-new 35-card Mini-Set!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:28 PM
Back

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Also with many hero skins and card backs available for gold now, that were previously premium!

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
Nice. : )
[4:29 PM]
And welcome back!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
In other words, I won't have gold to buy packs for a while now

Varda — Yesterday at 4:29 PM
oops
[4:30 PM]
Any other gaming news? I know there's lots happening. Eve for one. A batch of others I see happening on the side of this chat. : )
[4:32 PM]
Then, on to
[4:32 PM]

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Tolkien!
[4:32 PM]
Eonwe found some intriguing oddities going on in Eregion with the Fellowship, before entering Moria.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Thanks.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Have at it. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:34 PM
First, the quote:
[4:34 PM]
"Round the fire they sat, and those that were not on guard dozed uneasily. Poor Bill the pony trembled and sweated where he stood. The howling of the wolves was now all round them, sometimes nearer and sometimes further off. In the dead of night many shining eyes were seen peering over the brow of the hill. Some advanced almost to the ring of stones. At a gap in the circle a great dark wolf-shape could be seen halted, gazing at them. A shuddering howl broke from him, as if he were a captain summoning his pack to the assault.

Gandalf stood up and strode forward, holding his staff aloft. 'Listen, Hound of Sauron!' he cried. 'Gandalf is here. Fly, if you value your foul skin! I will shrivel you from tail to snout, if you come within this ring.'(edited)

The wolf snarled and sprang towards them with a great leap. At that moment there was a sharp twang. Legolas had loosed his bow. There was a hideous yell, and the leaping shape thudded to the ground; the elvish arrow had pierced its throat. The watching eyes were suddenly extinguished. Gandalf and Aragorn strode forward, but the hill was deserted; the hunting packs had fled. All about them the darkness grew silent, and no cry came on the sighing wind.

The night was old, and westward the waning moon was setting, gleaming fitfully through the breaking clouds. Suddenly Frodo started from sleep. Without warning a storm of howls broke out fierce and wild all about the camp. A great host of Wargs had gathered silently and was now attacking them from every side at once.

'Fling fuel on the fire!' cried Gandalf to the hobbits. 'Draw your blades, and stand back to back!'

In the leaping light, as the fresh wood blazed up, Frodo saw many grey shapes spring over the ring of stones. More and more followed. Through the throat of one huge leader Aragorn passed his sword with a thrust; with a great sweep Boromir hewed the head off another. Beside them Gimli stood with his stout legs apart, wielding his dwarf-axe. The bow of Legolas was singing.

In the wavering firelight Gandalf seemed suddenly to grow: he rose up, a great menacing shape like the monument of some ancient king in stone set upon a hill. Stooping like a cloud, he lifted a burning branch and strode to meet the wolves. The gave back before him. High in the air he tossed the blazing brand. It flared with a sudden white radiance like lightning; and his voice rolled like thunder.

'Naur an edraith ammen! Naur dan i ngaurhoth!' he cried.

There was a roar and a crackle, and the tree above him burst into a leaf and bloom of blinding flame. The fire leapt from tree-top to tree-top. The whole hill was crowned with dazzling light. The swords and knives of the defenders shone and flickered. The last arrow of Legolas kindled in the air as it flew, and plunged burning into the heart of a great wolf-chieftain. All the others fled.

Slowly the fire died till nothing was left but falling ash and sparks; a bitter smoke curled above the burned tree-stumps, and blew darkly from the hill, as the first light of dawn came dimly in the sky. Their enemies were routed and did not return.

'What did I tell you, Mr. Pippin?' said Sam, sheathing his sword. 'Wolves won't get him. That was an eye-opener, and no mistake! Nearly singed the hair off my head!'

When the full light of the morning came no signs of the wolves were to be found, and they looked in vain for the bodies of the dead. No trace of the fight remained but the charred trees and the arrows of Legolas lying on the hill-top. All were undamaged save one of which only the point was left.

'It is as I feared,' said Gandalf. 'These were no ordinary wolves hunting for food in the wilderness. Let us eat quickly and go!'"

---- The Fellowship of the Ring, Book II, Chapter 4: A Journey in the Dark

[4:38 PM]
I'll give you a minute to digest all that before I comment.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:38 PM
yay wall of text.
[4:39 PM]
In the first incident, they are called wolf-shape, wolves, Hound of Sauron.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
I did have indentation for the paragraphs, but apparently that didn't carry in when I hit enter.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:39 PM
heh

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Later on they were called wargs.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
One is killed, the others flee.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
The part that sticks out to me: no trace but charred trees and arrows lying about. No blood stains, no bodies. Legolas' arrows obviously hit something or they would've been alot further out than the hilltop.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:40 PM
Aye, in the second incident, we have wargs.
[4:40 PM]
For the Warg section, it gets really spooky.
[4:41 PM]
But the wargs also are called wolves in spots in the second incident.
[4:41 PM]
Gandalf says they are no ordinary wolves, however.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
Invisible wolves.
[4:42 PM]
Visible by fire, invisible by daylight.
[4:42 PM]
That's my theory!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:42 PM
hehe

Varda — Yesterday at 4:43 PM
: )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:43 PM
Wargs, per the Hobbit, are a particularly evil breed of wolves from the east of the HIthlaeglir, the lands of Rhovanion.

Treebeard — Yesterday at 4:43 PM
Wolves and Wargs didn't seem to be exactly similar for me, just kept them as separate

Varda — Yesterday at 4:43 PM
Gandalf is big on using fire here, although of course he has the Ring of Fire. But maybe for another reason, such as when Aragorn used flaming sticks from the campfire to run off the Nine.
[4:44 PM]
Same, Treebeard.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Going from "Wargs" to "wolves" is likely more an aesthetic choice to avoid repetition, like we might name a specific breed of dog, then in subsequent comments just say "the dogs."

Varda — Yesterday at 4:44 PM
Wolves in the first one, then an upgrade to Wargs in the second one.
[4:44 PM]
The enemy was too strong for the wolf types, so they sent in the big guns.
[4:45 PM]
And that's possible, Eonwe.
[4:45 PM]
However, as Gandalf says, these are not ordinary wolves.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
Like waves of enemies in a defensive mission.
[4:45 PM]
Light troops, heavy troops, boss.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:45 PM
Aye
[4:46 PM]
But no bodies. Feels like a video game where the bodies disappear after the fight. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
hehe

Varda — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Video games weren't around yet, so we can claim Tolkien did it first!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Did they leave any coins behind?
[4:46 PM]
Or maybe a skinner snuck in during the night.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Gimli will never tell?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:46 PM
Not just the no bodies part, but then the fact the arrows are still there.
[4:47 PM]
They left arrows, Phar. Does that count? ;}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
Except one having just the point. What happened to the rest?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
The arrows seem to have hit something that kept them from going farther.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
I have actually seen games where you can retrieve your arrows from corpses.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
That one was burned up by catching on Gandalf's fire.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
Ah! Right.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:47 PM
The physical threat was real.
[4:47 PM]
The arrow point was burned by Gandalf's fire, aye.
[4:48 PM]
But no bodies afterward.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
I had trouble making that link.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
It's one thing to just say the wolves dragged off their dead, but they wouldn't have been able to take the arrows out of the corpses without doing some sort of damage to the arrows.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
So are wargs strictly physical beings?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:48 PM
Properly, yes.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Apparently they have some kind of magical property.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
They're intelligent animals, as they talk and make deals with orcs, but they are physical.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Maybe they teleported to their burial place. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
hehe

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Respawned.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:49 PM
Very tidy to fight them on the battlefield. No tripping.
[4:49 PM]
uh oh, Phar!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
Wraith-Wargs?

Varda — Yesterday at 4:51 PM
So, we know the Wargs are not regular wolves, but are intelligent and have an alliance with the orc riders.
[4:52 PM]
Hmm, maybe? : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
In game terms, I'm thinking about summoned creatures...

Varda — Yesterday at 4:55 PM
They don't seem to hang around inside the goblin cave, but are outside where they can join up with riders. No stable, apparently.
[4:56 PM]
So they became unsummoned?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Sounds more like they'd have a den.
[4:56 PM]
Yep

Varda — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Aye about the den.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Summoned creatures usually vanish after death.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
It doesn't seem to fit with anything else we see (in Tolkien), although great for a video game. : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:56 PM
If you ate one before it disappeared, would you feel hungry again?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
who would want to eat wargs :O?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Are you eating it raw? Because I don't think the corpse would stick around long enough to cook.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:57 PM
It might, I don't know! We've got a few hours' window.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
I'm sure orcs and other wargs have eaten wargs for various reasons.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Looks like meat's back on the - wait, where'd it go?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
"Want to" and "meat on the table" are two different things, of course, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Zero calories
[4:59 PM]
Anyway, good catch by Eonwe. That is just weird.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
It is! Sounds like some kind of shadowy sorcery.
[4:59 PM]
But with actual physical threat.

Varda — Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Maybe it's lore about Wargs that we never heard of because the hobbits didn't see it.
[5:00 PM]
Some version of a yoink spell, er, teleport?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
I think Gandalf and Aragorn would've known it though.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
Note, though, the wolf slain in the first wave, if not warg, also disappeared.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:00 PM
Gandalf was concerned. If it were expected of Wargs, I don't think he'd be commenting on it.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Since these were Sauronic changes, they may not have been in what lore Gandalf was allowed to retain as an Istar.
[5:02 PM]
It may have been new.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Yes, but he did have 2000 years of experience in MIddle-Earth to fall back on.
[5:02 PM]
If it were "new", it wouldn't be "lore" :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:03 PM
Probably just new then

Varda — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
I agree that it's probably new to Gandalf.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Could it be a Saruman thing?

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
right A chairdean , friends .. i fear it is that time for me

Varda — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
It's the hour
[5:05 PM]
Your timing is good.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Namarie, sunny

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Saruman making the Wolf-collars of Power, heh.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Our best answer is that it was some new foul sorcery that hobbits need to learn. ; )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Sleep well Arien :}

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Namarie all

Varda — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
the gavel sneaks up on the hammerpad and holds still so it can't be seen

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Well, I mean, the crebain were his as well, right?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
the hammerpad laughs and bops the gavel

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
And he was pretty new to the open betrayal thing so he might have been trying out new sorceries.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
it weaves back to the shelf
[5:06 PM]

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After-meeting!

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Pardon, just being funny, not disagreeing that it's possible Saruman was involved.

Arien  Valar — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
sneaky hammerpad

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Ah
[5:07 PM]
sneaky gavel, too  but not sneaky enough

Varda — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
I would expect Sauron to be trying new things. And Saruman wanted to be top dog even though he wasn't.
[5:07 PM]
Shades of Guardians of the Galaxy. If you hold still enough, and stop eating chips...?

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
I was more reminded of Jurassic Park.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:07 PM
That works too. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Implication with the crebain (from Dunland and Fangorn) was that Saruman was involved.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Saruman was attempting to be inventive. Sauron really was.
[5:08 PM]
Aye to Crebain and Uruk-hai.
[5:09 PM]
Also, Saruman was trying to make rings. He made some that were "lesser rings". I'd like to have heard more about them.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Small in power, collar in size...

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
I'd also throw this one out from Aragorn...

Varda — Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Saruman's dog collar "rings"?

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:12 PM
"'I do call it the wind,' said Aragorn. ' But that does not make what you say untrue. There are many evil and unfriendly things in the world that have little love for those that go on two legs, and yet are not in league with Sauron, but have purposes of their own. Some have been in this world longer than he.'"
[5:14 PM]
On "Sauron was inventive." : For certain values of "inventive", yes. "Inventive" ways to twist and corrupt things already in existence to be more horrible and malicious. "Inventive" of things of beauty and intrinsic value, not so much.
[5:15 PM]
He'd long since lost that.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:16 PM
Which is why he made his stuff invisible?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
Morgoth depended a lot on Sauron's creativity, brought in from having worked with Aule, likely.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:17 PM
I queston whether that was more related to the nature of the Rings themselves.
[5:18 PM]
*the invisibility.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
but aye, he was probably losing it in that bad environment.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
I meant the wolves, Eonwe

Varda — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
Wargs with lesser rings : )

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
Aye

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:18 PM
The wolves weren't invisible.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
We don't really have an answer for why the Warg bodies seemed to have melted away. It doesn't seem to fit.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
We know they weren't there in the morning, that's it.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Something unknown to our side of what was seen, except that effect.
[5:20 PM]
We know the arrows were where the bodies would have been and still in good condition.
[5:20 PM]
That is just weird.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:21 PM
It is a mystery. My "Complete Guide to Middle-Earth" suggests they weren't real, but we just established they had to be.
[5:22 PM]
Not the first time we've disagreed with that book, lol :}

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Everything points to them vanishing in smoke or something, from around the arrows.
[5:22 PM]
Disappearing in the sunlight perhaps.
[5:22 PM]
Shadow made flesh.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Like vampires, when they're not busy exploding at the lightest touch of sunlight, hehe.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Either works for the wargs
[5:23 PM]
Though you'd expect more burnt arrows.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:25 PM
Depends. Some (modern) vampire stories they go out pretty tamely, others it's quite messy, some it can go either way in the same story.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:26 PM
Even in Buffy it wasn't consistent... I remember Spike exploding another vampire with his cigarette, while he himself is never worried about the things... and Angel has caught fire multiple times and always gotten out of the sunlight in time, no worse for wear.
[5:27 PM]
It always was a "what the plot demands" kinda thing.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:27 PM
Besides obvious plot armor in those cases, part of it might also be the unwillingness of the storyteller to make the "good" vampires opting for such a death to suffer.
[5:28 PM]
Blade 2 and The Librarian: The Judas Chalice are the two that come to mind right now.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:29 PM
Maybe the Wargs had some kind of advanced arrow removal technique.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
hehe

Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Drag off the carcasses.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Claw goes in, arrow comes out.

Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
by carrying, no drag marks.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Like Wolverine, pushing out bullets?

Varda — Yesterday at 5:30 PM
Chew away a big chunk around the arrow?
[5:30 PM]
He needs to push them out faster, then he can shoot back. : )

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
hehe

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:31 PM
I think I've seen that happen in some movie as well...
[5:33 PM]
Like... someone catching all the bullets with his hand and then throwing them back at the same speed.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 5:37 PM
The morgul-blade did melt in sunlight. To what degree that could be achieved with living creatures is questionable.(edited)
[5:42 PM]
Trolls turned to stone.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 5:49 PM
Melting wolves would leave a mess.

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 6:07 PM
Unless it sublimates. Direct to gas.

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:07 PM
That works
[6:07 PM]
Or it's immediately soaked into the earth.

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Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 6:38 PM
Purrrsonal gaming report!
[6:39 PM]
4 new badges for me this week, though one was bugged and I didn't go very far into the game because of that... but here are the other 3!
[6:42 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/Justin_wang123/rogue-fable-iii is the first game! As the name suggest, it's a roguelike, taking place in a dungeon. Quite a few classes to choose from, as well as gear to collect, stats to upgrade, and talents to choose from.
    Kongregate
    Rogue Fable III
    Rogue Fable III combines the challenge, tactics and strategy of classic roguelikes with a modern interface and graphics. Designed from the ground up to be beat...

[6:43 PM]
Necromancer seems to be one of the easiest classes, with both skeleton summoning and drain life abilities.
[6:43 PM]
But I'm sure they're all winnable with practice and luck
[6:45 PM]

https://www.kongregate.com/games/eddynardo/hasty-shaman oh look, another puzzle platformer from same creator/style as a few mentioned in the last few weeks
    Kongregate
    Hasty Shaman
    You asked for it so here it is, another game in the series. Hope you#39ll enjoy it.
    Simple platformer about a Shaman that hastes his way through the ground.
    Cr...

[6:50 PM]
Once again, puzzle your way through the levels to free people from chests! But in this one you're a shaman who can phase through the ground, use special ground to  switch to a sort of negative phase where you're immune to fire but can be harmed by ghosts, and finally turn gravity upside down in other special places. Good luck finding your way
[6:53 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/VasantJ/medieval-cop-dregg-me-to-hell for the last game! And here we've got the almost mandatory Medieval Cop game, the point and click detective series
    Kongregate
    Medieval Cop - Dregg Me To Hell
    Dregg is finally declared insane and is put in a mental asylum. Except his quottherapyquot needs to wait when people start disappearing and he has to team up with a...

[6:55 PM]
In this one you're placed in a mental asylum, but when people start disappearing, and trying to get you out of the way... it's time to do an investigation!
[6:57 PM]
There's a bit of a switch in theme, though, as things start to get religious-ish, a theme that would grow more in later games. But that's mostly near the end, and you can enjoy the puzzling before then!

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Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 7:09 PM
Guild Wars:
Well, that didn't go well  Went on the next titan quest at Denravi, where you get less henchmen and they're only level 15... and couldn't quite get through it. There's an npc to keep alive, and while the titan mobs continue on their previous strength, the health on the henchmen just doesn't cut it. During one attempt I lost half the party just from one aoe attack.
[7:10 PM]
So I think I'll hold here for now. In the meantime I'm reading the manual of the second campaign, Factions, and should be ready to start that one in a few weeks
[7:10 PM]

Blizzard gaming:
[7:12 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
1 level gained, to 455! Good old D.Va to level 13. She saw a few balance changes in the last patch, but still fun to play
[7:14 PM]
Hearthstone:
Level 91 on the reward track! 2 more weeks should do it.
[7:16 PM]
Bought the Wailing Caverns mini set for 2000 gold, and spent some more gold on my first of the now-available hero skins, Morgl the murloc shaman  Would like a new hunter next, but not sure yet whether I'll go for Alleria or Sylvanas.
[7:16 PM]
But let the collecting begin!
[7:18 PM]
Brawl is Just Macaws. Pick a class, get 7 class spells and 23 macaws, which add a random beast to your hand when played. Some randomness of course, but I won a few times with the hunter, who's got several beast-spells as well, so is the obvious choice. That said, I don't think it aided me much in the wins.
[7:19 PM]
Raiding: Still focusing on heroic Denathrius. Had a 1% attempt earlier in the week. Quite the struggle!
[7:20 PM]
Weekly is arenas! Ups and downs there. Got my first 4 wins all in a row on wednesday, but had some bad streaks in the days after  Still, overall it's going pretty well.
[7:22 PM]
First week without Torghast, as expected last week... but the quest is now up, so I'll visit layer 1 in the upcoming days
[7:24 PM]
2 new mounts! Finally got the mount from Valfir, the summonable boss for the tier 3 conductor, called the Wild Glimmerfur Prowler, a fox-like creature. And since I now have enough grateful offerings to buy everything else that needs them, I've stopped going for Valfir and indeed the other offering-objectives.
[7:25 PM]
And the other mount is the Dauntless Duskrunner, a purple unicorn, it being the 4-grain Kyrian mount from the conservatory
[7:29 PM]
Finally, more alting! Sent my paladin to the Broken Isles after going through a rather messy introductory questline featuring Dalaran. Apparently the first section, featuring Jaina, Magni, Ulduar and Karazhan, is cut from the live sequence, and can only be done after teleporting Dalaran to the Broken Isles, rather than before, as it used to be.
[7:31 PM]
But once I made sense of that, I started the class campaign! Did the quests to claim The Ashbringer, opened up the class hall, became the new leader of the Silver Hand, and right as I headed into Dalaran out of the sanctum I was immediately called back for the next chapter, which originally in Legion only happened after a few levels were gained
[7:32 PM]
Next step is getting Tyr's warhammer as my second artifact! Playing in Holy spec to get it, which will probably take a bit of getting used to, but with the exception of a bit more healing, a bit less damage, and the addition of Holy Shock, it doesn't look terribly different from Retribution.
[7:32 PM]
Paladin's currently in Dragonblight to find a paladin with a key of sorts, we'll see where next week takes her
[7:33 PM]
Oh, and she's gotten from 30 to 32 during all that. Onward!
[7:36 PM]
And while up to 30 I switched alts every 5 levels, I think this time I'll see her through to level 48 where she can start Shadowlands. If I switch now to send the other 2 alts into Legion as well I'm going to be doing a lot of same or similar quests in parallel rather than doing the full questline in full one after the other, which would probably see me quite bored.(edited)
[7:38 PM]
Patch 9.1 seems to be getting closer with the flight-blog, but we're starting to make big strides towards getting the 3 alts to 60 and into their covenants
[7:39 PM]
And that's my report for the week!

Ar-Pharazon-V — Yesterday at 8:20 PM
namarie

Eonwë Valar — Yesterday at 9:46 PM
Sleep well.

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