June 20, 2021 Sunday Meeting
5:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Savings Time
Discord:
Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
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Attending (and spoke): (6)
Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Gilraen,
Irmo, Shelob, Varda (presiding)
Contents:
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Father's Day
Web:
Gaming:
General: World of Warcraft, Diablo 2: Resurrected,
Heroes of the
Storm, Hearthstone,
Lord of
the Rings Online
Tolkien:
Topic:
from Shelob, whose books were lost in a clean-up: Does Arwen have
the right to choose between immortality and the Doom of Men, like
her father, or is she, as I think it is, counted among Elves because
of her father's choice, and that only her love for Aragorn would
eventually cause her to choose the Doom of Men. [short version: What
is the Choice of the Half-elven and does Arwen have it?]
After-meeting:
More Tolkien chat and more Membership chat.
(non)Flashgaming Reviews by
Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 3:51 PM
Aiya!
Varda Yesterday at 3:57 PM
Aiya PHar : )
[3:57 PM]
I just made it home. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 3:59 PM
Yay!
Varda Yesterday at 4:00 PM
Arien says she'll be a tad late, but plans to be here.
[4:01 PM]
@Bounder Hurray! It's time to join up again for chat and news and
maybe even gaming! Have a great Father's Day, everyone!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:01 PM
You too!
Shelob Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya!
Gilraen Yesterday at 4:01 PM
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya!
Varda Yesterday at 4:04 PM
Aiya Shelob and Gilraen!
[4:05 PM]
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:05 PM]
Membership:
[4:05 PM]
Happy Father's Day!
[4:06 PM]
We were traveling for Father's Day so Fangorn had a chance to see
all his brothers and their wives and a batch of nephews and nieces.
Much fun was had!
Did anyone else do anything for Father's Day? I'm not sure if it's
done outside of the US today?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Well, we recognize it here, but not really something my parents play
in to. It's nice as a reminder only.
And yes, it was today.
Varda Yesterday at 4:07 PM
Nice. : )
[4:07 PM]
You can always give a hug. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Always nice
Shelob Yesterday at 4:08 PM
I called my dad after I was reminded by an ad email.
Varda Yesterday at 4:08 PM
Anyway, Eonwe may be late or unable to come for the meeting.
Yay for that ad mail! : )
Shelob Yesterday at 4:09 PM
My dad was pleasantly surprised, yes.
Varda Yesterday at 4:09 PM
Huzzah!
[4:10 PM]
If anyone else was just reminded and needs to make a phone call,
please have at it!
[4:12 PM]
I'm hurriedly grabbing some news as I just got home before the
meeting, pardon.
[Link for
Arien's Membership news.]
[Link for
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Web:
[4:12 PM]
Nothing new up right now.
[4:12 PM]
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Gaming:
[4:13 PM]
Eonwe is unable to come at the moment, might be able to drop in
later. So feel free to add to my report as we go along!
World of Warcraft:
Tuesday news:
[4:14 PM]
This week's Bonus Event: Mists of Pandaria Timewalking.
The rest is Sunday news:
The next content patch, Patch 9.1: The Chains of Domination, is
coming out June 29th.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23686104/shadowlands-the-chains-of-domination-content-update-goes-live-june-29
World of Warcraft
Shadowlands: The Chains of Domination Content
Update Goes Live June...
The traitorous Sire Denathrius has been defeated,
but the power of the Maw still grows. Return to the Maw with the
restored strength of the kyrian, necrolords, night fae, and venthyr
and together strike back at the Jailer.
[4:15 PM]
Check out the preview of the upcoming raid Sanctum of Domination.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23667538/shadowlands-sanctum-of-domination-raid-preview
World of Warcraft
Shadowlands: Sanctum of Domination Raid Preview -
WoW
Breach the Sanctum and slay the formidable
servants of Sylvanas and the Banished One in Sanctum of Domination,
the new raid opening with Season 2.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:15 PM
Putting Ner'zhul in that raid seems a bit like fanservice, to be
honest. Though it is tangentially related to the storyline.
Irmo Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Heya heya heya!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Also note there's a bossfight called The Nine
[4:16 PM]
Aiya!
Varda Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Aiya Irmo!
[4:16 PM]
hahaha - very good?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:16 PM
Well, it's in the raid preview, but it should be fun... it's not so
much ringwraiths as Sylvanas' 9 valkyr, though.
Varda Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Thanks. : )
[4:17 PM]
Check out this week's hotfixes.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:17 PM
But I wonder if there any Nazgul references anyway.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:17 PM
Also kind of dead people though. So I see some similarities there.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:17 PM
True.
Varda Yesterday at 4:18 PM
And calling 9 dead people the Nine? Couldn't possibly... o wait. : )
[4:18 PM]
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23646890/hotfixes-june-18-2021
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: June 18, 2021 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands,
Burning Crusade Classic, and WoW Classic.
Burning Crusade Classic Arena Season 1 has begun.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:18 PM
Now I'm wondering what their achievement is called...
Varda Yesterday at 4:19 PM
A good question!
Bring in a Ringer?
Sorry - onwards. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:19 PM
" To the Nines"
Varda Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Better one!
Shelob Yesterday at 4:19 PM
Nein, Nein, Nein, Nein!
[4:20 PM]
Varda Yesterday at 4:22 PM
Diablo2:
Diablo 2: Resurrected will be live September 23rd.
[4:22 PM]
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo2/23679610/diablo-ii-resurrected-the-gates-of-hell-open-september-23
Diabloฎ II: Resurrected: The Gates of Hell Open
September 23
Diablo II: Resurrected is coming soon, a
definitive remastering of Diablo II alongside its Lord of
Destructionฎ expansion!
[4:23 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
A new balance patch came out this week.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/heroes-of-the-storm/23685039/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-patch-notes-june-15-2021
Heroes of the Storm Balance Patch Notes - June
15, 2021
Heroes of the Storm has just been updated with
Hero balance changes! Read on for details.
Hearthstone:
Patch 20.4.2 is out.
[4:24 PM]
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23684161/20-4-2-patch-notes
20.4.2 Patch Notes
This small update brings two balance changes for
Battlegrounds and one card ban for Wild.
Lord of the Rings Online:
Festival of Midsummer has started.
[4:25 PM]
Also called the Midsummer Festival
I haven't yet posted the latest LotRO Beacon link so here you go:
https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articles/lotro-beacon-issue-209
The Lord of the Rings Online
The LOTRO Beacon: Issue 209
[4:26 PM]
LotRO had Update 30.1
https://www.lotro.com/en/content/update-3001-release-notes
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 30.0.1 Release Notes
Mostly hotfixes for Update 30
[4:27 PM]
I've been trying the new region. It gets a bit wonky if you're
gaming with other players in a different phase of the game but you
can still run alongside. That beats the others where you can't even
see each other, but only barely.
Still, it can work. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:28 PM
So other people fighting monsters you can't see?
Varda Yesterday at 4:28 PM
The update area is huge, loaded with quests.
That might happen, hasn't to me yet. Can't see some of the quest
items. May have trouble seeing the local monsters in the phased
area.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:29 PM
That's one feature the devs over at Turbine could learn from WoW.
The Phasing system works really well there as far as I am aware of.
Varda Yesterday at 4:29 PM
So far I've usually been ahead and heard the horror stories from
those running with me.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:29 PM
You can't see each other in WoW in different questphases, I think.
It even has a display that they're in a different phase.
Same for warmode on and off.
Varda Yesterday at 4:29 PM
In previous phased stuff, you can't get together at all in LotRO.
[Belated LotRO kin gamers report during Tolkien: link.]
[4:31 PM]
Any other gaming news or belated membership news?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:31 PM
Fladrif spotted this week, who's entered the battle.net community
group, and conversations are being had
Varda Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Huzzah!
Coming together. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:32 PM
Yep!
Varda Yesterday at 4:32 PM
He's also welcome as are all to use our Discord to come together in
or across any games.
On to
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Tolkien!
[4:32 PM]
We had an interesting question from Shelob for
us to chew on:
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:33 PM
Something to chew from Shelob? Forgot to liquify it?
Varda Yesterday at 4:33 PM
May-be
[4:33 PM]
Does Arwen have the right to choose between immortality and the Doom
of Men, like her father, or is she, as I think it is, counted among
Elves because of her father's choice, and that only her love for
Aragorn would eventually cause her to choose the Doom of Men.
[4:33 PM]
End quote
Shelob Yesterday at 4:33 PM
The subject is a bit hard to liquify, on account of having a very
sharp sword.
Varda Yesterday at 4:34 PM
oh, one more LotRO thing whilst you're thinkkingP
Shelob Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Or at least having a paramour with a very sharp sword.
Varda Yesterday at 4:34 PM
Kin players [in LotRO] this past week:
Landroval server:
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Frodo
Irmo
Nar
Nimrodel
Varda
Anor server:
Dis
Eonwe
Fangorn
Varda
[4:34 PM]
Ok, back to sharp swords and such. : )
This question actually is about what is the Choice of the Half-elven
and does Arwen have it?
Shelob Yesterday at 4:35 PM
According to the research I did, Arwen (along with her brothers) got
to choose their fates when the Elves from Lorien and Imladris were
finally returning to Valinor.
My issue is that Arwen was already over 2700 years old.
[4:36 PM]
And got to outlive Aragorn by I do not know how long.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:36 PM
Myes. While Elros made it to 500 after choosing his fate, it does
seem a bit unfair to first live a few millennia and then choosing to
get out.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 4:36 PM
pokes her way in on a lazy sun beam
Shelob Yesterday at 4:36 PM
And as far as I am aware of, she was still not mortal, just chose to
stop living, and instead of going to Mandos, leave the confines of
the world.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Aiya Arien!
Varda Yesterday at 4:37 PM
Aiya Arien : )
Shelob Yesterday at 4:38 PM
This leads me to believe that the children of Elrond Half Elven did
not get the choice, but Arwen's choice was a gift by Iluvatar, the
same that Luthien received because of her love for Beren.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:38 PM
Do we have confirmation that she actually left the world, rather
than ending up in Mandos?
Shelob Yesterday at 4:39 PM
I think so, yes.
[4:40 PM]
I think in two ways.
[4:40 PM]
One was Elrond's Vision of losing Arwen's light forever.
[4:40 PM]
The second I think was in the annals at the end of LotR.
Varda Yesterday at 4:41 PM
This is a bit scattered across the Appendices and feel free to keep
talking between dug-up quotes. : )
[4:41 PM]
Appendix A:
[4:42 PM]
This is long so feel free to break in usiing parentheses.
The sons of Earendil were Elros and Elrond, the Perdhil
or Half-elven.
In them alone the line of the heroic chieftains of the Edain of
the First Age was preserved, and after the fall of Gil-galad the
lineage of the High-elven Kings was also in Middle-earth only
represented by their descendants.
At the end of the First Age the Valar gave to the Half-elven an
irrevocable choice to which kindred they would belong.
Elrond chose to be of Elven-kind, and became a master of wisdom.
@Varda
At the end of the First Age the Valar gave to the Half-elven an
irrevocable choice to which kindred they would belong.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:45 PM
This to me signifies that Elrond's children did not have the choice,
as it was already irrevocably made by Elrond.
[4:45 PM]
Otherwise why would they get the choice, but the children of Elros
did not?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:45 PM
Indeed >.>
Varda Yesterday at 4:46 PM
To him therefore was granted the same grace as to those
of the High Elves that still lingered in Middle-earth: that when
weary at last of the mortal lands they could take ship from the
Grey Havens and pass into the Uttermost West; and this grace
continued after the change of the world.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:46 PM
or his greatgreat...greatgrandchildren!
Varda Yesterday at 4:46 PM
But to the children of Elrond a choice was also
appointed: to pass with him from the circles of the world;
or if they remained to become mortal and die in Middle-earth.
Shelob
Otherwise why would they get the choice, but the children of Elros
did not?
Shelob Yesterday at 4:47 PM
If seen in this light, Aprhie's plans of conquest of Valinor is
merely a tale spun by Sauron to discredit him, and it was merely an
expedition to redress this terrible wrong that was done unto the
Edain.
Darn it.
Varda Yesterday at 4:47 PM
For Elrond, therefore, all chances of the War of the
Ring were fraught with sorrow..
Arien Valar Yesterday at 4:47 PM
8ํ๓๓๓hmm it sais in the Tale of Arwen and Aragorn in Appendix A of
Tlotr
(she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth and there is
her green grave until the world is changed and all the days of her
life are wholy forgotten by men that come after, and Eleanor and
Niphredil blooms no more east of the Sea")
Varda Yesterday at 4:48 PM
Elros chose to be of Man-kind and remain with the Edain;
but a great life-span was granted to him many times that of lesser
men.
[4:48 PM]
End quote.
Aye, Arien. Like Aragorn, she chose to give up her life before it
might have otherwise ended for whatever reason.
[4:49 PM]
Getting the chance to leave the circles of the world, to be with
Eru, was considered a gift that immortals eventually envied all too
often.
They had to wait until the new Arda.
[4:50 PM]
The tough part was for those that remained behind, feeling the loss
of those that went ahead.
[4:51 PM]
The prevous part was App A, I The Numenorean Kings, (i) Numenor.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:52 PM
Aye, but I'm not entirely sure where I found it, but I saw a quote
saying that before Arwen could not see why Men would not consider
the Gift of Death a gift, but when she chose to remain with Aragorn,
she could see why. (or close to it)
Varda Yesterday at 4:52 PM
A bit under (iii) includes a nice bit on Aragorn you can read.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 4:52 PM
It is in the same passage that i garbled in the quote just two lines
before that
Varda Yesterday at 4:53 PM
App A (v) Here Follows a Part of the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen
You will really want to read over that one.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:54 PM
I wonder if it has something to do with men being more free to
choose their own fate... Elves could be released from their immortal
fate and into the unpredictable fate of Men, but mortals could not
be lassoed back into the fate of immortality.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:54 PM
Unfortunately, when I cleaned out my place 2 years ago, I
accidentally cleaned out all my Tolkien books as well.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 4:54 PM
ouch
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:54 PM
Sounds like an excuse to buy new ones.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 4:54 PM
time to replenish stock at some point or ask for them as
presents
[4:55 PM]
maybe someone else wants to clear out stuff and has some Tolkien
book he or she doesn't want anymore
Varda Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Might even be worth picking them up in an online version. I've
thought about trying that sometime.
Zero clutter. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Maybe it's with the way mortals and immortals live... you can be
unaging for a bit and then go into a phase of aging, but you can't
live the fast and aging life of men and then at the end choose to
not die.
Varda Yesterday at 4:56 PM
Maybe you have a used book store in the area? Might pick up a few
there.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 4:56 PM
The choice seems a one-way street, whatever the explanation.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:56 PM
I will eventually get to it. For now I don't really have the space
for them, and since I don't read them except on occasions such as
this one, I'd rather spend the money and space on study books I do
need.
Varda Yesterday at 4:57 PM
Ok, we'll try to dig out the parts you need to answer the question.
Used books are usually pretty cheap, at least here, and it's just
fun to browse.
Shelob Yesterday at 4:58 PM
Not many places you'll find used books over here. And if then,
rarely English books.
Varda Yesterday at 4:59 PM
Tolkien has translations into other languages, if that helps.
You may be stuck with buying used online?
Shelob Yesterday at 4:59 PM
I'd rather read in English. Otherwise, I would not have mentioned
that little factoid.
Varda Yesterday at 5:00 PM
That would be the original language it was written in, the best way
to read it, aye.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:00 PM
Even if English is translated, I'd rather read the English
translation than the Dutch translation.
Varda Yesterday at 5:00 PM
So, over time, you might want to pick them up in E-books for zero
space-taking. Not all at once!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:00 PM
Bilbo Balings in the Gouw?
Shelob Yesterday at 5:01 PM
I don't really like e-books. I'm kind of old fashioned.
Varda Yesterday at 5:01 PM
Hunting a way to cut your space problem. Paperbacks take less space
than hardback if you like.
[5:02 PM]
You guys know what he needs for Christmas!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:02 PM
I know, I know. Thanks for all the tips. But I'll get the books back
eventually, when I've got space for a bookcase or two.
Varda Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Did we ever get your question answered ok?
Shelob Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Oh yes, definitely.
Varda Yesterday at 5:02 PM
Or maybe cardboard box shelves. : )
[5:03 PM]
yay!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:03 PM
I still think it's a bit unfair.
Varda Yesterday at 5:03 PM
We have competed our quest!
Humans not being given the choice for immortality?
Shelob Yesterday at 5:03 PM
And as much grief as I have given Arphie over the years, seeking
redress for that wrong seems kind of the right thing to do.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:03 PM
Thank you
Shelob Yesterday at 5:03 PM
But then again, I'm a bit of an evil spidey, so I like evil
stuffses.
Varda Yesterday at 5:04 PM
As Garfield the cat says, squick.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Well, that was the whole point, really. We didn't like the choice
our ancestor made. We could've had immortality, and there were those
elves flaunting it across the sea
Shelob Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Though of course, is eating a meal being evil, or just in one's
nature?
Varda Yesterday at 5:04 PM
Right! : )
[5:05 PM]
Right over there on that island we can visit and that they visit
from!
Eressea.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:05 PM
Exactly
Shelob Yesterday at 5:05 PM
But we can't go further! Oh the inhumanity!
I mean. Elvity!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:05 PM
And as we started to dislike the Elves, we also started to dislike
the Elven traditions our ancestors were carrying, like the naming
language.
Varda Yesterday at 5:06 PM
Must be the dirt they're standing on that gives them immortality.
We'll go put our feet on it too. Hmm doesn't work in Eressea so
we'll try Valinor. (Logic was thin with them.)
No Tar-for you!
@Ar-Pharazon-V
And as we started to dislike the Elves, we also started to
dislike the Elven traditions our ancestors were carrying, like the
naming language.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:06 PM
So we bent them a little and still did the same thing, but slightly
different.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:06 PM
It's like our ancestor sold us out and the ancestors after him were
proud of it.
Heh, yes, Shelob.
Varda Yesterday at 5:07 PM
And yet it didn't seem that way until wise Sauron, traitor to
Valinor and enslaver of Men in Middle-earth, said so. He must be
right!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:07 PM
My parents and I are not Christians but we do have a bit of fun with
the commercialized version of X-mas
Shelob Yesterday at 5:07 PM
And we used the boats that those uppity Elves had taught us to make,
and the armour and weaponry those twice blasted smiths of theirs
taught us to make to teach them a lesson they would never forget.
Varda Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Presents are presents, no matter what the day, right? And there are
birthdays and un-birthdays to go with.
Literally would never forget. heh
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:08 PM
We'd had the "problem" figured out for ages, Varda. Sauron just gave
us a solution
And we were eager to take it.
Varda Yesterday at 5:08 PM
Riiiight.
[5:09 PM]
Sauron said that was so.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Also, we'd never set foot in Eressea, I recall.
Varda Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Well! No Eressea!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:09 PM
What we kinda did not factor in was that while Sauron was ever wise
and ever immortal, was the teensy tiny fact that those he betrayed
in Valinor were a teensy tiny bit more powerful than him.
Varda Yesterday at 5:09 PM
Stepping on an elven boat maybe?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:09 PM
And once we were all the way there in the invasion, might as well
test out the soil of Valinor rather than that little elf island.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:10 PM
could start passing presents around from friend to friend in a
circle of the number of years that you have friends .. so
maybe in say 12 or 15 years your present would end up with
again And then start a new cycle with a new present that
makes the rounsd
Shelob Yesterday at 5:10 PM
That might actually have been your saving grace there, Arphie.
Varda Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Sure, why not? Not a soul anywhere in sight bothering to stop us.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:10 PM
Why settle for anything less?
Varda Yesterday at 5:10 PM
The Hobbits had the mathom thing down quite well, Arien. They might
even have tried that version!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:11 PM
The fact that you did not shed blood in your arrogance... I mean
rightful path to seek compensation from some uppity godlike beings.
Varda Yesterday at 5:11 PM
No blood in front of you to shed, only reason.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Fair enough to say that i was inspired by the Hobbits for that
Shelob Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Was Eressea abandoned?
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:11 PM
it sounds hobbity enough
Shelob Yesterday at 5:11 PM
Or was it simply bypassed?
Varda Yesterday at 5:12 PM
Nope. But Eressea was split away from Middle-earth to be on the
Valinor side of things.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:12 PM
It was bypassed, and I do recall that our fleet (my fleet!) blocking
off the light from Valinor made the Elves on Eressea sickly.
Varda Yesterday at 5:12 PM
ahh, it was bypassed I believe.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:12 PM
True, but Arphie's armada and army could easily have leveled the
place had he chosen to do so.
Varda Yesterday at 5:12 PM
He might think so. Ulmo and Osse may have objected.
They liked their boat and elves.
[5:13 PM]
Probably saved their lives to bypass Eressea.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:13 PM
True, but then he would not have had that comfy cave to wait in
until the return of Morgoth to see evil in its true form and have
the chance to rebalance the evil he did unknowingly.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Possibly. But I think we just didn't bother. Also, we had no violent
intentions towards the Elves. Had they stood in our way, we would
have fought. But we didn't come for blood.
Varda Yesterday at 5:13 PM
Ar-Pharazon's locker instead of Davy Jones'?
Shelob Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Although, when you think of it.... Isn't it a bit excessive for the
Valar to just go and kill all the women and children for the foolery
of their men?
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:14 PM
We wanted life, not death.
Varda Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Besides, Eressea was small potatoes, picking up immortality most
likely from Valinor.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:14 PM
ironic that you only found death where you sought life
Varda Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Go to the source!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:14 PM
Right, Varda
Oh, we found it. But we didn't bring it.
[5:15 PM]
That must count for something.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Did any of your people find it, or was it just you?
Varda Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Shelob, the Valar didn't do the killing. They backed off and gave
the situation to Eru.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:15 PM
I meant finding death. Though me and my people on the shores ended
up finding life, in a way.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:15 PM
And as I said, your people, as in not your army, died a very violent
and sudden death in the depths of the ocean when Numenor was
swallowed.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:15 PM
Yeah, we didn't see that coming.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:15 PM
You brought it on yoursef , Phari . i fear .. the order not to go to
Valinor as mortals was clear
Varda Yesterday at 5:16 PM
Nobody expected that!
But Sauron said...
: )
[5:17 PM]
And we sacrificed all those people to Morgoth for Sauron.
That had to make it all right, right?
O, guess not.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:17 PM
... [Political comments removed for the transcript, leaving ...]
@Varda
And we sacrificed all those people to Morgoth for Sauron.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:17 PM
Oh, this might be a bit of a killer for the mercy department.
Varda Yesterday at 5:18 PM
Politicians will just have to be left out while we discuss their
predecessors. : )
Shelob Yesterday at 5:18 PM
I think Sauron has more respect for the truth... He's just
incredibly crafty and knows how to twist it to suit his needs.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:18 PM
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Varda Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Tell lots of truth, flatter, then lie so big they can't believe it's
not true.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:19 PM
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Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:19 PM
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Varda Yesterday at 5:19 PM
Ok guys, we need to pull out of politics although we all sympathize
with our various ones.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:19 PM
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Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:20 PM
eyes Illuvatar You killed my wife!!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:20 PM
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Shelob Yesterday at 5:20 PM
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Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:20 PM
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Varda Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Actually, Phar killed her by his own misdeeds, not expecting it
though.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:20 PM
Sorry!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:21 PM
I should've brought her with me.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Retreating back to the safety of Eไ politicking!
Varda Yesterday at 5:21 PM
We've passed by the hour with a good 20 minutes.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:21 PM
We'd be caved together.
Varda Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Actually, that's an interesting idea, Phar. I wonder if she might
have softened things.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Would she though?
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:21 PM
Let me add a couple off member news i couldnt bring in at the
beginning if you allow Varda
Varda Yesterday at 5:21 PM
the gavel splorps wetly across the table where a glass of water
was spilled
splappp!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Didn't she have a hand in the sacrificing, herself?
Varda Yesterday at 5:22 PM
it drfts soggily back to the shelf
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After-meeting!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Even the drfting is done wetly.
Varda Yesterday at 5:22 PM
Fire any subject, gang. Arien, sounds great!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:22
PM
I am on holidays for two weeks from today
Varda Yesterday at 5:22 PM
(I can make a link if you like to Membership news)
[5:23 PM]
Woot!!
Shelob Yesterday at 5:23 PM
I'll add my own after you Arien.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:23 PM
And we had our second vaccination Jab on Wednesday
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:23 PM
What, my lovely Zimraphel? Don't remember that, but wouldn't
surprise me. I do remember something about her standing on top of
the temple as the place drowned, though... but that might be
overdramatic remembrance.
Varda Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Grats on being done with vax.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:23 PM
Grats Arien!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:23 PM
That was my news and thanks
Shelob Yesterday at 5:23 PM
I got my first one yestereve.
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:24 PM
Getting my second in about... 2 and a half weeks I think.
Varda Yesterday at 5:24 PM
Maybe we can pick up a little more freedom worldwide with the
vaccines, I hope.
[5:24 PM]
(Texas is open right now, though.)
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:24 PM
We're dropping a mass of safety measures in about a week from now.
Varda Yesterday at 5:25 PM
That should be an incredilbe relief!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:25 PM
Indeed
Shelob Yesterday at 5:25 PM
But more importantly, and this will not be news to Varda, as I had
already informed her, is that last friday I had my last exam of the
first year of my studies and passed (barely), obtaining all the
points necessary to close the first year and go to the second
without having to worry about repeating any exams!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:25 PM
All that remains is the 1.5 meter distance and its spatial
consequences, the mouth masks were that's not possible... and for
events requiring proof of vax and the like, both can be dropped.
[5:26 PM]
Grats Shelob!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:26 PM
We have national tourism going and some foreign travellers are
allowed but theres new travel bans to two english towns ..
Manchester and Bollton .. while Bedford and Northern Ireland are
open again
[5:26 PM]
Grats Shelob
Varda Yesterday at 5:27 PM
Big ol' grats, Shelob!
@Ar-Pharazon-V
All that remains is the 1.5 meter distance and its spatial
consequences, the mouth masks were that's not possible... and for
events requiring proof of vax and the like, both can be dropped.
Shelob Yesterday at 5:27 PM
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Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:28 PM
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Varda Yesterday at 5:28 PM
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@Ar-Pharazon-V
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Shelob Yesterday at 5:28 PM
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Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:29 PM
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Shelob Yesterday at 5:32 PM
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Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:33 PM
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Shelob Yesterday at 5:34 PM
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Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:35 PM
:~)
[5:36 PM]
It is night here but still not fully dark ..
Shelob Yesterday at 5:36 PM
...
Varda Yesterday at 5:37 PM
I need to go. If you don't mind, I may remove the political part of
the After-meeting. Comments?
@Arien Valar
It is night here but still not fully dark ..
Shelob Yesterday at 5:37 PM
But then again, you're probably on GMT time.
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:37 PM
thats cool
@Varda
I need to go. If you don't mind, I may remove the political part
of the After-meeting. Comments?
Shelob Yesterday at 5:37 PM
Not a problem at all!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:38 PM
and very far north as well
Varda Yesterday at 5:38 PM
Okie dokie.
Happy Father's Day to you all. : )
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:38 PM
But do keep the mentions of us getting vaccines
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:38 PM
or quite far North not very North as such
yep
Varda Yesterday at 5:38 PM
That's not political, just member info. np
[5:38 PM]
Namarie!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:38 PM
Namarie Varda !
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Namarie!
Arien Valar Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Time to go to bed as well for me ! Namarie all
Shelob Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:39 PM
Namarie!
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Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 5:54 PM
Purrrsonal gaming report!
Only one new badge this week, but still a fun few other games to
mention for non-flashgaming
[5:58 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/lozzajp/maptroid
is the first game! A metroid-inspired 2d maze game where you explore
tunnels looking for parts to activate your crashed spaceship. Along
the way you'll find fuel for your ship, upgrades that allow you to
unlock/visit other places in the maze, and a lot of texts that give
flavor but also contain some Metroid references
Kongregate
Maptroid
A Metroidvania experienced entirely just in the
map!
[5:58 PM]
See if you can get 100% on both exploration and items!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 6:18 PM
https://www.kongregate.com/games/KaMiZoTo_Creator/there-is-no-game
for the second game! A point and click puzzle game... if you can
find the game, despite the voice's efforts to keep you from it
Kongregate
There is no game
*NEWS : If you liked this non-game, go check out
the steam page of quotThere is no game : wrong dimensionquot.
(coming soon this summer)
You can support us and add...
[6:23 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/bontegames/green
is the third one, and the one I hadn't played yet! Part of a
color-themed series by bontegames, one of my favorite creators, you
have to make each level green. Figure out the mechanics on your own,
as they might be different in each level
Kongregate
green
Green, another puzzle game for you!
Can you make the screen green in all 25 levels?
Each level has its own logic.
You can also get the FREE mobile version wi...
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Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 6:42 PM
Blizzard gaming:
[6:44 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
No new levels, still 456. Had more fun with Tyrande anyway, which
reminds me of her new model as shown in a patchrelated cutscene on
the blogsite, and reviewed at https://www.wowhead.com/news/322917
Wowhead
Updated Night Warrior Tyrande Model in Patch 9.1
Cinematics
The teaser video playing in the background of the
Warcraft site includes an enhanced Night Warrior model for Tyrande,
depicting her magical elements with greater detail.
[6:45 PM]
New desktop image for me
[6:48 PM]
Hearthstone:
Made it to level 100 on the reward track! 105 actually, but after
100 you just get a small amount per level at lower experience
needed. 100's the big one, unlocking another tier-1 geared hero skin
[6:49 PM]
Out of the ones I'm not already using an alternate skin for, I went
for the demon hunter skin, which looks a bit more impressive than
the standard demon hunter portrait.
[6:51 PM]
That was actually the second new skin I got, since I got enough gold
to buy a new one I knew it was going to be for hunter, between
either Alleria or Sylvanas. Ended up going with Alleria since I'm
more of an Alliance type anyway, and it seems to fit the class
fantasy better than her undead sister.
[6:52 PM]
Which one i'm saving for next I'm not completely sure of, but
Hazelbark for the druid seems interesting
[6:54 PM]
Brawl is Battle of the Bans! Pick four cards, one will be banned by
the other player, you get 10 of each other card. So basically pick a
combo where no piece is wholly essential.
Dug up my hunter mecha deck from last time the brawl was up, and
it's still quite good
[6:57 PM]
WoW:
[6:57 PM]
Our last raid week for this tier, sadly we've not been able to get a
second Denathrius kill. Between the heat and the summer and possibly
raid burnout, we've just not been getting the numbers.
[6:58 PM]
For our raid achievement run which we're temporarily doing on
thursdays, we had not enough for Nathria, so we went back to BfA's
Eternal Palace.
[6:59 PM]
Where we systematically went through the place and got every
achievement for all bosses except the last two We'll do those
next!
[7:00 PM]
Weekly is timewalks, pandaria version. Actually had quite a bit of
fun with those, especially the Brewery is a very flavorful dungeon.
Pun not intended.
[7:01 PM]
Several new things acquired!
[7:02 PM]
Got enough anima for my first vendorbought weapon arsenal, that
being Winterborn from the Marasmius vendor. Checked it on an alt and
the winternborn appearances for other weapons besides my druid's
appear to be unlocked, though requiring level 48 to use.
[7:03 PM]
After that moved to the wild hunt vendor, where I picked up a new
soulshape, the crane I like the way it runs, so I think I'll
use that one for a bit.
[7:04 PM]
2 new pets! One from the Maw, after killing a random rare, called
the Undying Deathroach. It actually looks quite nice for a roach,
and I think it's more of a devourer model.
And a black vulpin pet called Sable from the conservatory Only
one pet remains from there!
[7:06 PM]
Finally, alting!
Got my paladin from 33 to 36, working on the class campaign.
[7:10 PM]
Along the way I recovered the Falling Star, went through the Exodar
scenario, and then went to Faronaar to hunt Balnazzar and collect a
codex. In our efforts to decipher it I got a friend to help me
through the Violet Hold dungeon
[7:11 PM]
And now with the required missions done I'm one quest away of
completing this chapter of the campaign as well. Next one seems to
require level 45, as do the Suramar and Broken Shore questlines, it
being the scaled parallel to max Legion level... which means I'm
probably going to end up grinding levels in the normal Legion quests
rather than the remainders of the class campaign. I wish I could've
gotten more xp out of it, but at least it should still work from 45
to 48...
[7:12 PM]
I even considered moving to another expansion for those 9 levels,
but don't really want to clutter my questlog that much.
So my next venture will probably be in Azsuna.
[7:13 PM]
Oh, and as I had to wait for the missions, I also prepped my next
alt, the rogue, a bit, doing the preparations for the Broken Shore
scenario.
[7:14 PM]
Considering he nearly died during the practice duel, I am quite
worried about how he'll do in Legion content. But I'm sure it won't
be too overtuned.. right?
And that's my report for the week!
Ar-Pharazon-V Yesterday at 7:57 PM
namarie
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