December 20, 2020 Sunday Meeting
5:00
P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Discord:
Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
["slight smile" is the same as we are used to using as a regular
smiley]
Attending (and
spoke): (9)
Discord: Arien Valar,
Ar-Pharazon-V, Eonwë Valar, Falco, Ioreth, Irmo, Miriel/Maha,
Shelob, Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Falco's SpaceX news
Web:
Gaming:
General reports: World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Overwatch, Hearthstone,
Diablo 4, Diablo
Immortal, more LotRO
Tolkien:
Topic: Tolkien
Moment from Varda. As Ar-pharazon puts it: If you're gonna die, make
it count.
After-meeting:
Flashgaming Reviews by
Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting
IrmoToday at 4:00 PM
Aiya aiya
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
VardaToday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Irmo and Phar!
Eonwë ValarToday at 4:02 PM
Heya.
VardaToday at 4:02 PM
@Bounder Hurray! It's meeting time! Come say hi, lurkity lurk, or
even chat!
[4:02 PM]
Aiya Eonwe!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Eonwe!
FalcoToday at 4:02 PM
Aiya
VardaToday at 4:02 PM
Good to see you could make it after all. : ) At least for a
while.
[4:03 PM]
Falco! Aiya!
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
[4:03 PM]
Membership:
[4:03 PM]
Falco, do you have time right now to give your
amazing news?
FalcoToday at 4:03 PM
Sure lol
VardaToday at 4:03 PM
Hurray! Fire when ready. : )
FalcoToday at 4:04 PM
Ok!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:04 PM
Aiya Falco!
FalcoToday at 4:04 PM
Lately my gaming time has gone down quite a bit as I'm a member of
LabPadre which is a group of individuals who monitor SpaceX from
Boca Chica Tx.
[4:05 PM]
I have been asked to be a Commentator for upcoming Launches and
Closures at the Site.
[4:05 PM]
LabPadre has a YouTube Channel with 7 Cameras onsite which Monitor
Activity and Live Launches from the Site.
[4:06 PM]
Currently there are over 7K Members on Discord for those that want
additional information, learn more, or to share insights.
[4:07 PM]
Last launch of SN8 atracted over 132K viewers.
MahaToday at 4:07 PM
Aiya! Hope everyone has a safe, healthy, and happy holiday season.
VardaToday at 4:07 PM
Aiya Miriel. You too!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:07 PM
Aiya!
FalcoToday at 4:07 PM
If there is a SpaceX Launch going on I will most likely be watching
versus playing or commentating.
[4:07 PM]
If you have any interest in SpaceX, I would recommend checking out
LadPadre.
VardaToday at 4:07 PM
I'd like to join you in that watching, Falco.
FalcoToday at 4:08 PM
Aiya Miriel!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:08 PM
Our holiday season has been nerfed, increased lockdown until jan
19th. But at least we can still have 3 visitors for the holidays as
an exception.
VardaToday at 4:08 PM
https://labpadre.com/
LabPadre.com
GEAR UP WITH LABPADRE
LabPadre is a free 24/7 live stream of the SpaceX Starship
construction and testing site in Boca Chica, Texas. Multiple camera
views available.
[4:08 PM]
https://twitter.com/LabPadre
LabPadre (@LabPadre)
I love delivering live video to the world. I hope
one day to broadcast live from Mars!
Tweets
1266
Followers
23447
Twitter
ShelobToday at 4:08 PM
2 Phar. 2.
VardaToday at 4:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFwMITSkc1Fms6PoJoh1OUQ
YouTube
LabPadre
SpaceX Boca Chica, Texas Live Launches and
Testing, South Padre Island Events.
NASA Updates.
Spring Break, Extreme 4x4 off road, and other fun
videos and live streams.
FalcoToday at 4:09 PM
We refer to most viewers as the Nerdel! LOL
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:09 PM
No, I think 2's the standard for the lockdown, but 3 for actual
xmas.
VardaToday at 4:09 PM
Aiya Shelob. Hope they don't figure it by foot traffic when you have
eight legs.
[4:09 PM]
Sounds close to Nerdanel. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:09 PM
Also, aiya spidey.
FalcoToday at 4:09 PM
:)
VardaToday at 4:10 PM
Falco, I don't think I covered it all on links.
[4:10 PM]
Do you have more you'd like to mention?
[4:11 PM]
Texas: cram everyone in that fits like the old phone booth. More
pie!
ShelobToday at 4:11 PM
Good evening. Gaming with friends at the moment.
FalcoToday at 4:11 PM
I think the links provided cover it very well.
ShelobToday at 4:11 PM
Board gaming online
VardaToday at 4:11 PM
Go for it, Shelob.
[4:11 PM]
Falco, you mentioned a Discord channel also?
[4:11 PM]
How do we reach it
[4:11 PM]
?
FalcoToday at 4:11 PM
Yes the LadPadre discord server
[4:11 PM]
Let me look up the link
VardaToday at 4:11 PM
Thank you.
FalcoToday at 4:12 PM
https://discord.gg/ZutvHM8p
YOU'VE BEEN INVITED TO JOIN A SERVER
LabPadre
1,119 Online
7,753 Members
Joined
Arien ValarToday at 4:12 PM
Aiya
VardaToday at 4:12 PM
Aiya Sunshine : )
[4:12 PM]
A wild Varda appeared. : )
[4:12 PM]
Thank you.
[4:13 PM]
And what about that interesting new commentator for LabPadre who
starts tomorrow?
FalcoToday at 4:13 PM
I don't know much about him...
VardaToday at 4:13 PM
hahahahaha
Arien ValarToday at 4:13 PM
let me guess Falco
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:13 PM
Aiya Arien!
Arien ValarToday at 4:14 PM
i bet you know him like your self :D?
FalcoToday at 4:14 PM
I don't know much about Rockets but they have asked me to join as I
have 30+ Years in A&D that is relevant.
VardaToday at 4:14 PM
When does the commentary start? (tell time zone with that please)
Arien ValarToday at 4:14 PM
Aiya Phari
FalcoToday at 4:14 PM
Typically its around any major launch from the site. Tomorrow
we have a Closure Scheduled at the Site from 8AM to 5:30PM Central
and the Team will be covering the closure.
[4:15 PM]
We expect SN9 to launch near the end of this year to at least 12.5
KM or they may be just preparing for Static Firing of the Raptor
Engines.
VardaToday at 4:15 PM
Just? ; )
FalcoToday at 4:16 PM
Quite a few vidoes of StarShip SN8 are on youtube that is really
cool to watch.
VardaToday at 4:16 PM
What does A&D stand for?
ShelobToday at 4:16 PM
They could be actually launching something... so "just" might be
appropriate.
FalcoToday at 4:16 PM
Aerospace & Defense
VardaToday at 4:16 PM
Now that sounds like relevant knowledge!
FalcoToday at 4:17 PM
Starship
Diagram
VardaToday at 4:17 PM
Static firing tends to be spectacular to watch, too.
[4:17 PM]
Oh thank you! That pic is worth a lot of words.
FalcoToday at 4:17 PM
SN9 is the vehicle that is being preped for launch. To give
some perspective this is nearly the same size as an A380 Airbus
[4:18 PM]
This is Elon's vehicle to be used for taking people to Mars.
[4:18 PM]
SN8
VardaToday at 4:18 PM
raises hand I volunteer to go. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:19 PM
How's the wifi out there?
FalcoToday at 4:19 PM
This is the diagram giving you an idea of the size of this beast.
VardaToday at 4:19 PM
Bet that's a long line.
FalcoToday at 4:19 PM
1000s of people went to watch the last launch.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:19 PM
I'm not going anywhere until WoW goes down forever. After that you
can take me to Mars.
VardaToday at 4:20 PM
stows away inside
FalcoToday at 4:20 PM
:)
VardaToday at 4:20 PM
Hey, set up repeaters all the way and play. ; )
FalcoToday at 4:20 PM
StarLink
VardaToday at 4:21 PM
Exactly!
[4:21 PM]
https://www.starlink.com/
FalcoToday at 4:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxpoN6LK3wE
YouTube
LabPadre
Watch Starship SN8's Historic Launch With 6 Cam
Replay Thermal Imag...
[4:22 PM]
This is one of the most unusual approach landings with a very nice
BOOM at the end.
[4:23 PM]
Exceeded all expectations and appears the correction to prevent the
final BOOM is a relatively simple adjustment.
VardaToday at 4:25 PM
He apologizes for the camera work. I remember how fast it used to
turn to nothing but a tiny white dot. : )
FalcoToday at 4:25 PM
Yea we had a bit of a mistake. Someone hit the wrong button
and the cameras reverted to Preset for normal monitoring of the
site.
[4:25 PM]
Tooks us awhile to get the cameras redirected.
VardaToday at 4:25 PM
Oops. : )
FalcoToday at 4:26 PM
The FLIR camera shows a really cool view!
Here is a 3x3
View of the Cameras monitoring real time the activity. 1
of the cameras is currently down for work.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:27 PM
For some reason I love FLIR as an acronym.
VardaToday at 4:28 PM
Wow, really turns to the tail at the last minute.
FalcoToday at 4:28 PM
My wife is watching the job openings in the area hoping one pops up
for us, lol.
[4:28 PM]
Belly Flop is what Elon calls it with the Crazy Elon Kick Flip.
VardaToday at 4:29 PM
: )
[4:30 PM]
Before they went to rockets, we used to be interested in something
more like a space plane. This is more like the old science fiction
magazines.
FalcoToday at 4:30 PM
Very much so.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:31 PM
Space Shuttle always looked the part.
[4:31 PM]
Sleek, somewhat plane-like...
FalcoToday at 4:32 PM
Yea. I miss the Space Shuttle.
VardaToday at 4:33 PM
So do we all. But we are forging ahead anyway!
[4:34 PM]
I could talk about this stuff all day, but cough maybe we
should continue with the rest of the meeting.
FalcoToday at 4:34 PM
Thanks Varda!
VardaToday at 4:34 PM
I hope everyone has joined the Nerdanel , er Nerdl, channel. ; )
[4:34 PM]
And we must all be watching Falco tomorrow! Even if we have to catch
it later instead of live.
[4:35 PM]
Thank you for sharing that with us!
[4:36 PM]
Any other membership news?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:36 PM
Well, had my mom's 65th birthday yesterday, that was fun, even if it
meant an evening without gaming
[4:37 PM]
pc gaming, that is
IorethToday at 4:37 PM
grats and hugs to her
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:37 PM
Thanks
VardaToday at 4:37 PM
Congratulations on her making it past everything to 65 and your
chance to be there. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:38 PM
We're still here
VardaToday at 4:38 PM
Yes!
[4:38 PM]
I wonder when the first Irish pub goes up between the Moon and
Mars...
[4:38 PM]
o pardon, I digress.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:39 PM
Just look to the point when the rockets no longer go straight.
VardaToday at 4:40 PM
hahahaha
[4:40 PM]
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Web:
[4:40 PM]
Only the void...
[4:40 PM]
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Gaming:
[4:41 PM]
That we did!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:41 PM
The void beckons...
VardaToday at 4:41 PM
: )
[4:41 PM]
Fionwe, you're up!
Eonwë ValarToday at 4:41 PM
Raises sword to the air.
Arien ValarToday at 4:43 PM
well let me tell you .. if any of the celts .. be it a scot or an
irishman/ woman travel anywhere in space and there is a be it ever
so small it might be managable .. they will find a way to brew
something of the indigenious beverages ~
Eonwë ValarToday at 4:43 PM
World of Warcraft:
[4:44 PM]
Now going through January 2nd: the Feast of Winterveil. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23237901/don-your-holiday-apparel-the-feast-of-winter-veil-has-begun
World of Warcraft
Don Your Holiday Apparel—The Feast of Winter Veil
Has Begun! - WoW
It’s time once more to don your finest finery,
drink a little egg nog, and embrace the spirit of giving (the
Smokywood Pastures way). The Feast of Winter Veil has begun!
[4:44 PM]
This week's bonus event: Shadowlands Dungeons.
[4:44 PM]
Check out the latest hotfixes. ---
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23580183/hotfixes-december-18-2020
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: December 18, 2020 - WoW
Here you will find a list of hotfixes that
address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Shadowlands and
WoW Classic.
[4:44 PM]
Lord of the Rings Online:
[4:44 PM]
Update 28.2.1 came out this week. ---
https://www.lotro.com/en/content/update-2821-release-notes
The Lord of the Rings Online
Update 28.2.1 Release Notes
[4:45 PM]
Overwatch:
[4:45 PM]
A new blog is out: Freeze the Day: Behind the Newest Winter
Wonderland Brawl ---
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23585676/freeze-the-day-behind-the-newest-winter-wonderland-brawl/
Overwatch
Freeze the Day: Behind the Newest Winter
Wonderland Brawl
Get a behind-the-scenes look at Freezethaw
Elimination from one of its creators, associate level designer Trey
Spisak.
[4:45 PM]
Hearthstone:
[4:46 PM]
Patch 19.2 came out this week. ---
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23584141/19-2-patch-notes
19.2 Patch Notes
The 19.2 patch includes new Battlegrounds Heroes
and Minions, balance updates for Standard and Duels, game
improvements, and more!
[4:46 PM]
Diablo 4:
[4:46 PM]
The Quarterly Update for D4 is out. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23583664/diablo-iv-quarterly-update-december-2020
Diablo IV Quarterly Update—December 2020
We’re excited about several big updates and
revisions that the team’s worked on for a long time that we are
trying to complete before the holidays.
[4:46 PM]
Diablo Immortal:
[4:46 PM]
Diablo Immortal is now in Technical Alpha. ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23583662/diablo-immortal-technical-alpha-one-step-closer-to-hell
Diablo Immortal Technical Alpha—One Step Closer
to Hell
Learn more about the Diablo Immortal Technical
Alpha. Get all the details and answers to your most pressing
questions about the limited public Technical Alpha.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:47 PM
Only for those with phones.
Eonwë ValarToday at 4:47 PM
You can get a full scoop from the following articles posted:
Our Free To Play Approach and Values ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23580185/our-free-to-play-approach-and-values
Diablo Immortal Gameplay Overview: Everything You
Need To Know ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23557147/diablo-immortal-gameplay-overview-everything-you-need-to-know
Character and Skill Progression in Diablo
Immortal ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23572633/character-and-skill-progression-in-diablo-immortal
Itemization in Diablo Immortal ---
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo-immortal/23574266/itemization-in-diablo-immortal
Our Free to Play Approach and Values
Today we want to share how we're coming at the
business model for Immortal—what it is, the values behind it, and
how it works in practice.
Diablo Immortal Gameplay Overview: Everything You Need to Know
Learn more about Diablo Immortal in our Gameplay Overview. We’re
beginning our Technical Alpha, and we have a lot of information to
share with you about the game’s setting, classes, progression, and
more.
Character and Skill Progression in Diablo Immortal
Learn more about Character and Skill Progression in Diablo Immortal.
We dig into the classes, skill systems, and other action-RPG
elements that empower your character.
Itemization in Diablo Immortal
Learn more about Itemization in Diablo Immortal. We dig into
everything you need to know in your journey to build up your
character’s ultimate arsenal.
[4:48 PM]
"Do you guys not have phones?!" lol :}
[4:49 PM]
Thus ends my gaming report.
VardaToday at 4:49 PM
Thank you, Eonwe! : )
[4:50 PM]
We started this group in Diablo and it's still going!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:50 PM
I may mock, but if I did have a smartphone I'd definitely be playing
that one when it comes out
VardaToday at 4:50 PM
Look at the tire skid marks where Phar just left to pick up a
smartphone.
[4:51 PM]
Ask for it for Christmas. ; )
[4:51 PM]
They can deliver, I suspect.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:51 PM
Neh. One of the reasons I don't have a smartphone is so I don't get
sucked into that stuff when by chance I'm not behind the pc.
VardaToday at 4:52 PM
Good point.
[4:52 PM]
A little bit more on LotRO:
[4:52 PM]
A batch of interesting names:
[4:52 PM]
Landroval server:
Arien
Bregalad
Celebrian
Eonwe
Frodo
Irmo
Lenwe
Marigold
Miriel
Nar
Varda
Ithil server:
Dis
Eonwe
Falco
Varda
Anor server:
Fangorn
Varda
IorethToday at 4:53 PM
Where's my name?
VardaToday at 4:53 PM
Falco and I happened to run into each other today even though
neither of us had been on much lately. That's where I found out what
he was about to do tomorrow.
[4:53 PM]
When were you on, Ioreth? It's just a list of the past 6 days.
IorethToday at 4:54 PM
no, not this week
VardaToday at 4:55 PM
So you need to show up for the week to have your name blazoned on
the list! Feel free!
[4:56 PM]
We'd love to have you there. : )
[4:56 PM]
Names from way back keep popping up.
[4:56 PM]
Any other gaming news?
[4:57 PM]
On the right side of the screen, I see members gaming in Elder
Scrolls Online, World of Warcraft, StarCraft II, Path of Exile, Lord
of the Rings Online, and Mindustry. : )
[4:58 PM]
Feel free to write a review of your game and send it to Eonwe! Maybe
you can mention your games here and get more company.
[4:59 PM]
Any other news, cool links, comments, suggestions for what you'd
like to see, need of an invite?
ShelobToday at 4:59 PM
Game done.
VardaToday at 5:00 PM
Grats. : )
ShelobToday at 5:00 PM
I did win, so yes. Thanks.
VardaToday at 5:00 PM
Huzzah!
ShelobToday at 5:00 PM
Also, I have Mindustry running for the past lot of days, so not
exactly necessarily what I am playing.
VardaToday at 5:01 PM
There's also a lag after getting off the game.
[5:02 PM]
Are we ready for...
[5:02 PM]
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Tolkien!
[5:03 PM]
All of us made it into the guild by having read The Lord of the
Rings Online, and afterwards being able to
retain enough to prove we read it. No mean feat. : )
[5:03 PM]
So here is a Tolkien Moment for
you, suitable for gamers (which we also are) and for the crazy times
we live in:
[5:04 PM]
Return of the King, "The Last Debate". Gandalf speaking:
[5:04 PM]
"We must walk open-eyed into that trap, with courage,
but small hope for ourselves.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:04 PM
...reading LotRO?
VardaToday at 5:04 PM
For, my lords, it may well prove that we ourselves may
perish utterly in a black battle far from the living lands; so
that even if Barad-dur be thrown down, we shall not live to see a
new age.
But this, I deem, is our duty.
And better so than to perish nonetheless--as we surely shall, if
we sit here--and know as we die that no new age shall be."
[5:05 PM]
End quote.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:05 PM
If you're gonna die, make it count.
VardaToday at 5:06 PM
There you go! Right!
Arien ValarToday at 5:06 PM
Too right!
ShelobToday at 5:07 PM
Which is why Denethor's choice of death was deemed madness and
cowardice.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:09 PM
And not a very fun way to go, at that.
[5:09 PM]
I'd rather get my head chopped off.
VardaToday at 5:09 PM
And taking his only remaining son with him into the fire without
consent.
ShelobToday at 5:10 PM
Head chopped off or burned to death. Dead is dead. You might not
enjoy one more than the other for the fleeting time it takes for
death to set in, but in the end it matters little.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:11 PM
We don't really know, in psychological perception, how long death
seems to feel. It might be stretched out.
[5:11 PM]
But I meant burning might take a while longer.
ShelobToday at 5:11 PM
Which is, incidentally, kind of an excerpt from another favoured
author of mine, Terry Goodkind.
VardaToday at 5:12 PM
He's a good writer.
ShelobToday at 5:12 PM
Was. He passed away this year.
VardaToday at 5:12 PM
Burning is considered one of the most painful of deaths.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:12 PM
Sure, but.. by whom?
VardaToday at 5:12 PM
He's deceased. His writing is still here and still on my shelf. A
kind of immortality?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:13 PM
Getting your head chopped off might be very painful indeed for a
short moment, but nobody is around to tell.
VardaToday at 5:13 PM
Try getting a burned hand or a cut hand. Neither one is fun, for
sure.
ShelobToday at 5:13 PM
True, but the thing is, not considering any after effects of death
none of us know, burning to death for a couple of minutes may be
painful at that time, but it is fleeting compared to the life of a
human being, not to mention the eternity that comes after.
VardaToday at 5:15 PM
So did Denethor go to Eru? Probably got a major talking-to.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:15 PM
But both the life and the eternity (if it exists) remain so
regardless of the method of death, why not try to go in a painless
manner anyway? It's like refusing to iron out a small crease because
the rest of the blanket's flat already.
ShelobToday at 5:15 PM
I would say it's more like if you fold that blanket left or right,
in the end it matters little.
[5:16 PM]
It still ends up being folded.
VardaToday at 5:16 PM
Painless would be nice, whichever way we're folded.(edited)
ShelobToday at 5:16 PM
Or maybe Eru would send Denethor back into the new Arda after the
Second Music as a slug?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:16 PM
Reincarnation of the bad people? Interesting.
[5:17 PM]
Ants. Worms. Slugs.
[5:17 PM]
Sea cucumbers.
VardaToday at 5:17 PM
Maybe to learn? But actually I seem to remember Tolkien saying he
wasn't doing reincarnation for the books. May have to look that up.
ShelobToday at 5:17 PM
Well, it is said, but not confirmed anywhere I believe, that the
children of Men who go to Iluvatar, have a major role to play in the
Second Music and the perfection of Arda.
[5:18 PM]
He wasn't.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:18 PM
Well, reincarnation for the second Arda, I mean. [Note: sorry not to
have commented on this. Yes, everyone starts anew for the next
Arda.]
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:18 PM
Was Denethor "bad" though? He was jealous of his position,
certainly, but he was trying to ensure the future of his people.
VardaToday at 5:18 PM
Tolkien uses oblique things like "it is said" all over.
ShelobToday at 5:18 PM
Which is why, with the exception of whatshisname that Arwen replaced
in the movies, no names got recycled for the Immortal Elves. [Note:
Glorfindel]
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:18 PM
I believe this is mostly about his way of death, Eonwe
[5:18 PM]
But yeah, there were worse humans around, surely.
VardaToday at 5:19 PM
Denethor was misled. He also became more cold after the death of his
wife; so evil, I don't think so.
ShelobToday at 5:19 PM
The Nine come to mind.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:19 PM
I mean, not me, obviously...
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:19 PM
Legolas and GIldor are two more that got re-used, actually.
ShelobToday at 5:19 PM
Aye, he was maddened, not evil.
[5:19 PM]
Really?
[5:19 PM]
I must have missed those.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:19 PM
But my favorite-to-quote "Laws and Customs Among the Eldar" can
cover that too, if memory serves.
VardaToday at 5:19 PM
Legolas didn't really get a restart. That was just my fictional
story.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:19 PM
Yeah, I remember a Legolas.
ShelobToday at 5:20 PM
What's the name of Whatshisname btw?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:20 PM
Oh?
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:20 PM
Glorfindel
ShelobToday at 5:20 PM
Thanks.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:20 PM
Pretty sure there was a Legolas in one of the First Age stories at
one point.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:20 PM
Legolas reused from an Elf in Gondolin.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:20 PM
There.
VardaToday at 5:20 PM
Glorfindel seems to have come back as himself, as an adult. It would
not work to put an adult mind intact in a baby's body.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:20 PM
Gildor the same, if memory serves.
ShelobToday at 5:20 PM
I believe he died killing a Balrog in one of the Northern passes in
the Echoriath after the sack of Gondolin.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:20 PM
Of course, yes, Legolas wasn't the same person.
VardaToday at 5:20 PM
The name of Legolas and some others were re-used, yes.
ShelobToday at 5:21 PM
Now there's a story that was reused twice it seems. Once for the
name, and another for Gandalf.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:21 PM
Re-incarnation =/= Rebirth. Glorindel was indeed "Incarnated again",
in a body like his original.
VardaToday at 5:21 PM
Aye, Eonwe
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:21 PM
Actually, Varda, if I remember that Laws and Customs.. wasn't there
something about reborn elves getting their memories back after 50
years?
[5:22 PM]
Or.. reincarnated.
[5:22 PM]
Now I'm lost.
VardaToday at 5:23 PM
Maybe you are thinking of after time in Mandos?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:23 PM
Probably.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:23 PM
I don't remember that part Phar. Not saying it's definitely not
there, but I skim that often enough that I'm pretty sure I'd
remember it if it were there.(edited)
ShelobToday at 5:24 PM
Well, it was said (there it is again), that after a time of
reflection in Mandos the Elves return to their bodies (or new ones),
but I'm not sure whether any of them ever left the Blessed Land
after that.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:24 PM
Give me a sec, I feel a need to verify my assertion now, lol.
VardaToday at 5:25 PM
An elf out of Mandos generally remained in Valinor.
[5:25 PM]
Glorfindel was an exception.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:25 PM
Hmm, I've got it in this online pdf of the chapter, but it might
apply to a specific circumstance only.
[5:25 PM]
I'll grab the book in a moment if it's warranted by what I'm
checking here...
[5:28 PM]
It's from a section about rebirth, apparently linked to those who
were done waiting in Mandos, so it does seem applicable.
[5:30 PM]
Book fetched.
[5:35 PM]
Page 221 in my book
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:36 PM
OK fair enough.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:36 PM
"A houseless fea that chose or was permitted to return to life
re-entered the incarnate world through child-birth. Only thus could
it return. [A footnote describes Miriel as an exception since her
body was intact] For it is plain that the provision of a bodily
house for a fea, and the union of fea with hrondo, was committed by
Eru to the Children, to be achieved in the act of begetting.
[5:39 PM]
As for this re-birth, it was not an opinion, but known and certain,.
For the fea re-born became a child indeed, enjoying once more all
the wonder and newness of childhood; but slowly, and only after it
had acquired a knowledge of the world and mastery of itself, its
memory would awake; until, when the re-born elf was full-grown, it
recalled all its former life, and then the old life, and the
'waiting' [in Mandos, I presume], and the new life became one
ordered history and identity. This memory would thus hold a double
joy of childhood, and also an experience and knowledge greater than
the years of its body."
[5:40 PM]
I guess I took the 50 years from elsewhere, as the period of
full-growth, but might be wrong there.
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:41 PM
That's probably where you got it, aye.
[5:42 PM]
Tolkien decided against all the rebirth stuff, of course :}
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:42 PM
Alas.
[5:44 PM]
Still, for this kinda stuff I say, unless it's explicitly
contradicted in the main canon, I'll consider it canon level 2
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:45 PM
If Tolkien went through the effort to reject it and figure out why
to reject it, it's probably safe to say it's not canon at any level
:}
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:46 PM
Maaaybe.
ShelobToday at 5:46 PM
Just like Pharzy to openly doubt the word of the Valar.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:46 PM
hehe
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:46 PM
lol
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:46 PM
Just like Shelob to delight in it
VardaToday at 5:49 PM
It was later rejected as it did not fit the overall developing
storyline.
ShelobToday at 5:52 PM
Spreading a little darkness is the light of my life, Pharzy.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:52 PM
Indeed
Arien ValarToday at 5:53 PM
i am sorry .. but i have to retreat to the realms of Irmo to be
reborn in full glory tomorrow
ShelobToday at 5:53 PM
Namarie Arien!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:53 PM
Try to keep your memories!
[5:53 PM]
And namarie
ShelobToday at 5:53 PM
May you illumine us all come morning!
IorethToday at 5:53 PM
waves
VardaToday at 5:53 PM
Namarie!
Arien ValarToday at 5:53 PM
Namarie Friends
VardaToday at 5:53 PM
It is past the time!
[5:53 PM]
the gavel leaps shining into the air
ShelobToday at 5:54 PM
Hammertime!
Eonwë ValarToday at 5:54 PM
Sleep well Arien.
VardaToday at 5:54 PM
it drops in a blaze onto the hammerpad
[5:54 PM]
fwooosh!
ShelobToday at 5:54 PM
Dah-dah-dah-duh!
VardaToday at 5:54 PM
the hammerpad has gone metal!
[5:54 PM]
they sing their way to the shelf
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:54 PM
Wasn't it always of metal?
VardaToday at 5:54 PM
the hammerpad can't get up on the shelf and rolls back
[5:55 PM]
Normally wood.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:55 PM
Ah.
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VardaToday at 5:55 PM
After-meeting!
Arien ValarToday at 5:55 PM
melts down and a magic wind blows and cools the molten
metal .. the gavel is reborn and jumps back to the shelf
VardaToday at 5:55 PM
Namarie Arien. and nice add!
ShelobToday at 5:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
YouTube
MCHammerVevo
MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This (Official Music
Video)
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:57 PM
"Twee tosti's" rocks out ♪
VardaToday at 5:57 PM
I have been called away.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:58 PM
Enjoy the fewd!
VardaToday at 5:58 PM
Namarie : )
ShelobToday at 5:58 PM
Enjoy dinner!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:58 PM
namarie
ShelobToday at 5:58 PM
And with that, I believe I shall find me a bed as well.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:59 PM
Namarie! Where do spiders sleep?
[5:59 PM]
Web-hammocks?
ShelobToday at 5:59 PM
The bones of our past dinners.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:59 PM
Doesn't sound very comfortable.
ShelobToday at 6:00 PM
But I believe web-hammocks are just called "webs". :)(
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:00 PM
Depends on the shape, doesn't it?
ShelobToday at 6:01 PM
Not really... Though I do suppose a web is the better version of a
hammock.
[6:01 PM]
Much more stable.
[6:01 PM]
Not much chance it will tip over if you flop onto it.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:01 PM
I wonder... with 2 vs 3 dimensional ratios...
[6:02 PM]
can a spider become so big its own web can't hold it?
ShelobToday at 6:03 PM
I don't think so.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:03 PM
Not even when Shelobsized?
ShelobToday at 6:03 PM
Though I think that whatever the web is attached to might be liable
to breakage.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:03 PM
Hah.
ShelobToday at 6:04 PM
Well, the webbing tends to get stronger with size.
[6:04 PM]
Shelob's web could only be cut by an elven sword.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:04 PM
True.
ShelobToday at 6:06 PM
But you might have a point.
[6:07 PM]
Though I think my earlier point is part of why spiders like
Ungoliant and Shelob moved away from trees and into mountains.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:08 PM
Rocks break less easily. I see your point.
[6:08 PM]
Still, those spiders in Mirkwood were pretty big by our standards.
ShelobToday at 6:09 PM
Aye, and their webs could hold them easily.
[6:09 PM]
But the roots in Mirkwood ran deep.
[6:10 PM]
And the trees themselves are nothing to sneer at either.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:10 PM
fnuf
ShelobToday at 6:10 PM
But the spiders in Mirkwood are still small compared the the Lob.
[6:11 PM]
2 or 3 times smaller if memory serves.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:11 PM
Sounds about right.
ShelobToday at 6:12 PM
Though I have to go on memory of the Hobbit of Bilbo vs the spideys
and LotR conflicting with the movies.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:51 PM
Huh. Had to go afk for the first five minutes of that Heroes of the
Storm match, with nobody assigning my offline char... then came back
when we were level 8 already, topped the kill list within 2 minutes,
and got MVP by the end.
[6:51 PM]
Sometimes I wonder what other players are doing...
Eonwë ValarToday at 6:55 PM
Going afk for 6 minutes? :}
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:55 PM
Possibly
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Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:26 PM
purrsonal gaming report!
[7:26 PM]
Flashgaming: 1 old, 2 new!
[7:33 PM]
https://www.kongregate.com/games/wiesi/new-york-shark
is the first game, a fun fastpaced side scrolling action game! You
play a shark swimming along New York, and can move and bite to grab
and kill and get points
Kongregate
New York Shark
2012 is upon us the end of the world and his name
is shark. SHAARK!
Where are we going big apple? The path to
desolation.
You thought it was safe out of the wa...
[7:33 PM]
Especially try to get the flying objects which are special events!
[7:34 PM]
http://www.kongregate.com/games/m0rkeulv/castlewars
is the second game! A turnbased cardgame where you control one of 2
castles, and have to beat the other one to 100 stories high or just
destroy it to win the match.
Kongregate
Castlewars
Castlewars is a turn based card game where your
goal is to be the first to build a 100 storey castle, you also win
by destroying your opponents castle.
Castle...
[7:35 PM]
Get resources, buy cards from the lineup, and get a large variety of
effects for your wall, castle or more resources!
[7:36 PM]
Note: Easy badge says to beat the pc, but that's wrong, you need to
beat another player. Lobbies don't contain many people but hopefully
enough
[7:36 PM]
At least they did this week while people were going for the badge
[7:36 PM]
But just for fun, you can play vs the AI as well, and even change
your deck!
https://www.kongregate.com/games/Raius_/the-alchemist
for trhe third game, an atmospheric "interactive fiction" game where
you play an alchemist brewing potions for 2 adventurers you've hired
to get you ingredients. Lots of dialogue (most of which you can
really skip, but it's a nice little story), and gameplay consisting
of choosing the right potion for the day to get the good ending.
Kongregate
The Alchemist
A short visual novel about a struggling
alchemist, and the strange opportunity that could save their
business.
A quick, simple story with 3 endings to discover.
[7:40 PM]
In all, it'll be a fun few minutes
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[7:40 PM]
Blizzard gaming:
[7:42 PM]
Heroes of the Storm:
From 436 to 437! Got Falstad to level 8, in the match I mentioned
earlier
[7:42 PM]
Also get an epic golden horse mount, not sure what hero I'll use it
on!
[7:45 PM]
Hearthstone:
New patch is here, but not really noticing much of the reduced xp,
though I did get other rewards through it. Including legendary
quests. Got one to play 3 matches in standard ranked, while I always
play wild ranked, so was a bit getting used to. Luckily I didn't
need to win any for it, because all my standard decks are gimmick
decks to complete specific quests
[7:46 PM]
Speaking of, one my new weekly quests is playing 30 "corrupt" cards
from the new expansion, which could take a bit, as I don't have too
many. But it should work in a few days.
[7:48 PM]
Brawl is gift exchange, where you get a gift (random card at cheaper
cost) from every gift crate you break, either your own or the
opponent's. Did pretty well with a warlock deck adept at destroying
my own minions, letting me get both sides easily and overpowering
the opponent.
[7:49 PM]
Still, lost 1 out of the 3 I played... apparently priests are also
quite good at destroying both sides, though the card combos needed
did seem a bit more complicated.
[7:49 PM]
WoW:
[7:50 PM]
Made it from level 55 to 58 this week, completing Maldraxxus, 1
dungeon in Bastion and Maldraxxus each for the quests, and getting
the first 2 chapters done for Ardenweald.
[7:51 PM]
I am not disappointed by the place. The moment I landed there and
heard the music and saw all the creatures and critters I knew it was
the zone for me
[7:51 PM]
And the scenery too of course!
[7:52 PM]
But yeah, not 60 yet and not all 4 zones done yet, so not capable of
the endgame stuff. I did poke the Greench for the Winter Veil daily
a few times, hoping for the Flames of Ragnaros weapon illusion,
though I'm not sure it can be gotten below 60. Might as well try,
right?
[7:53 PM]
What I did get for Winter Veil, though, was the new Grandfather Pepe
costume for our little bird friend!
[7:56 PM]
And finally, a new pet through Maldraxxus questing, the plagueborn
slime! Nice slime pet which occasionally slimes on you as well.
[7:58 PM]
Too bad the initial Ardenweald questing doesn't give any pets yet,
I'm obsessed with the little Gormlings
[7:59 PM]
I'll get them as part of the covenant though, I'm sure!
[8:03 PM]
And that's my report for the week!
VardaToday at 8:19 PM
Thanks, Phar. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:21 PM
Speaking of gormlings, found
https://www.deviantart.com/adamar44/art/Gormling-Nibbler-plush-863935848
and wish I had one
DeviantArt
adamar44
Gormling Nibbler plush by adamar44 on DeviantArt
VardaToday at 8:26 PM
Those are nifty!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:29 PM
anyway, namarie
VardaToday at 8:29 PM
Namarie
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