July 21 2019 Sunday Meeting
5:00
P.M. Eastern time (-4 GMT aka 9 P.M. aka 21:00)
Discord:
Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
Attending (and
spoke): (6)
Discord:
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Arwen, Fangorn (After-meeting hello), Irmo
(Irm), Miriel (Maha), Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:
Gaming:
General reports
LotRO: Mosby asks for Landroval level 120's who
would like to join T1 raids.
Tolkien:
Topic: Valar of Time
After-meeting:
Flashgaming Reviews by
Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting
(times are in Central from Varda's Discord, so add one hour for
Eastern. Example: 4pm Central in the transcript is 5pm Eastern)
VardaToday at 4:05 PM
Aiya! It's that time again! Where we gather together with buddies
who can handle and even enjoy gaming and Tolkien at the same time!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:06 PM
plays 3 games at once did you say something?
Aiya!
VardaToday at 4:06 PM
Not yet. : ) But yep, you're a gamer after my own heart!
ArwenToday at 4:14 PM
ehllo :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:14 PM
Aiya!
VardaToday at 4:15 PM
Aiya Arwen : )
MahaToday at 4:15 PM
Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:15 PM
Aiya!
VardaToday at 4:15 PM
Miriel! Aiya, great to see you. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:16 PM
Ah, question answered :wink:
ArienValarToday at 4:17 PM
Aiya all :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:17 PM
Aiya!
The poking worked.
VardaToday at 4:17 PM
Hey Sunshine : )
MahaToday at 4:17 PM
Irmo and I just back from a visit to Bruges
ArienValarToday at 4:17 PM
Miriel .. long time no see if indeed we met before :smiley:
VardaToday at 4:18 PM
Miriel is from wayyyy back. : )
ArienValarToday at 4:19 PM
very very long time ago then i guess probably we did meet once or
twice before .. i was Finduilas V way back then
MahaToday at 4:19 PM
I fell into the sea, but Irmo is always at my side
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:19 PM
Friends in wet places.
ArienValarToday at 4:19 PM
chuckles
VardaToday at 4:20 PM
Does that mean he fell in too? : )
MahaToday at 4:22 PM
just to fetch me out :fishing_pole_and_fish:
VardaToday at 4:22 PM
Still being a hero. : )
Fangorn says hi from this side of the screen. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:22 PM
Hi Fangorn!
ArienValarToday at 4:22 PM
hi Fangorn :smiley:
IrmToday at 4:24 PM
Aiya and Namarie, I am off to bed after saving Miriel from drowning
:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:25 PM
Namarie, dry up well :smiley:
VardaToday at 4:25 PM
Aiya Lord of Dreams! Good to see you. Sleep well!
ArienValarToday at 4:26 PM
Aiya and sleep well :smiley:
MahaToday at 4:26 PM
Always hard work keeping me in check
VardaToday at 4:26 PM
We just chase along after you!
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Membership:
Just to make this an "official" meeting.
We were already ding the membership part so might as well make it
official. : )
ArienValarToday at 4:29 PM
which level did we reach then ;)?
VardaToday at 4:29 PM
Another ding!
ArienValarToday at 4:30 PM
giggles sorry , couldn't resist it hehe
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:30 PM
I assume LotRO also uses that term?
VardaToday at 4:30 PM
I use it. Lot of us old-timers use it in any game.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:31 PM
I remember a boss in the old Zul'gurub raid who would level up after
killing someone and go "Ding!"
With another boss shouting from a distance "Grats, mon!"
VardaToday at 4:32 PM
Heh. Go trolls!
ArienValarToday at 4:32 PM
oh hilarious
do you have any web news then, Varda? before we slide into the
gaming bit already?
VardaToday at 4:33 PM
I should but didn't make it that far. Got side-tracked on Tolkien.
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Web:
Eonwe the Great, thank you for keeping up with the Games Site
despite all that tries to pull you away.
Tolkien Site: feel free to send in stuff. ; )
ArienValarToday at 4:34 PM
always good to be sidetracked ther e
VardaToday at 4:35 PM
Might make an article out of it. But that's for later.
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Gaming:
World of WarCraft:
This week's Bonus Event: Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking.
The PvP Brawl: Classic Ashran begins today and runs through Tuesday,
July 23rd.
The Eternal Palace raid opens in Mythic Difficulty and LFR Wing 1.
LotRO:
The Buried Treasure event goes through the 21st of July (so it stops
about 3 AM this coming morning)
This can be handy:
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?646193-LOTRO-Events-Schedule
LOTRO Events Schedule
Here is the current events schedule. Please note
that events and their start and stop times can change.
For those on the Landroval server of LotRO,
our old friend Mosby asks if any of us would like to join
in on some level 120 T1 raids?
I'd like to do that and we're looking for more. We have some others,
but Valarites would be great.
MahaToday at 4:43 PM
May I share my homely house, not the last but I built it.
nevermind, see the meeting has started
VardaToday at 4:44 PM
You may certainly share it.
Do you mean real house or game house?
MahaToday at 4:45 PM
game house
VardaToday at 4:46 PM
We are in gaming, so that's perfect.
Which game?
MahaToday at 4:51 PM
bit slow as I am tired atm, not one of the Valar games
VardaToday at 4:51 PM
We have people playing all sorts of games. Doesn't have to be one
with a branch in it.
MahaToday at 4:53 PM
House
VardaToday at 4:54 PM
Lovely! Which game is that? You might have some company all of a
sudden.
MahaToday at 4:54 PM
House
from
another angle
This is Ark on a private server, I find I do not have the time to
play MMORPGs lately
VardaToday at 4:56 PM
A bit of crafting in the background is one way to handle those big
MMORPG's.
ArienValarToday at 4:56 PM
looks nice
MahaToday at 4:56 PM
I find I enjoy building, this is my homely house
VardaToday at 4:59 PM
Thank you. We'll have to take a look at Ark.
In LotRO, here's the folks that showed up the past week
on our three servers:
Landroval:
Arien
Bregalad
Eonwe
Fangorn
Mirabella
Nar
Varda
Ithil:
Arien
Dis
Falco
Fangorn
Varda
Anor:
Arien
Fangorn
Varda
Any other general gaming news? Eve? StarCraft 2?
Eowyn and her son are currently playing StarCraft 2. Fangorn
and Faramir play with them too.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:03 PM
Well, while I usually save my WoW personal news for
aftermeeting, I will say I added a new alt to my roster :wink:
VardaToday at 5:03 PM
eyes my long list of alts and keeps quiet
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:04 PM
Dark Iron shaman, Calmoria, who I put in the screenshots channel
with her pet and mount, specially bought for the day I'd create her
:smiley:
That said, further details can wait!
VardaToday at 5:04 PM
Ah hah! We must check screenshots.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:05 PM
Took me a while to get it imported right.
VardaToday at 5:05 PM
In other news, there is a LotR 'card game" Adventure that is
also on PC and such.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:06 PM
(next alt will be based on a LotR character)
VardaToday at 5:06 PM
Any other business? Comments? Suggestions? Invitations needed for
alts?
Just break in later if you think of something. : )
On to
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Tolkien!
Some of you may recognize what is coming up from some other things
we've mentioned. : )
The topic is from
The Book of Lost Tales 1, "The Hiding of Valinor"
It's near the end of that chapter. [Note: below is paraphrasing for
brevity. Enjoy reading the complete tale in the book!]
The "great gods" (Valar in later writing) were discussing how to
handle the problem of controlling the travel of the Sun and Moon as
would charioteers handle their horses.
To them came what appeared to be three aged but powerful men:
Danuin, Ranuin, and Fanuin, and saluted Manwe.
Manwe knew they were not of those that dwelt in Valmar or their own
gardens, and the Valar wondered how they had come to the place at
all.
Danuin said they were brothers, of exceeding subtle craft, and would
help with the problem.
But they would only tell who they were and where they had come from
and where they would go, after completing their work.
The Valar feared a trick of Melko (Morgoth) and debated, but being
desperate, they agreed to the terms.
The three required a room. Hidden inside Aule's house, they crafted:
spinning and weaving.
After 12 hours, Danuin came out with his handiwork but his hands
seemed empty.
The Ship of the Sun returned and Danuin went to the stern and laid
his hand on it.
He bid Ulmo, as usual, draw the Ship over the waters to the Door of
Night; but when Danuin stepped back, Ulmo could no longer draw it.
All seeing this were afraid; Danuin released the sun and left and
could not be found.
After 28 nights, Ranuin came out with his invisible crafting.
He waited until Ilinsor (Tilion) brought the Rose of Silpion (the
Moon) to Valinor, then set his hand on a jag of glass on the isle
and the Moon could not be moved far from Ranuin against his will.
Ranuin said nothing and left, releasing the Moon, and he could not
be found.
After Rana waxed and waned thirteen times, Fanuin came out of the
room and asked the Valar to detain Ilinsor (Tilion) so that at
Sari's (the Sun's) coming both ships might stand in Valinor at the
same time.
He then requested their aid to pull out what he had wrought because
it was too heavy for him alone.
Seven of Tulkas's strongest staggered out pulling what seemed to be
an invisible cable.
Fanuin went to Sari (the Sun) and to Rana (the Moon) moving his
hands as if attaching a great rope to each vessel.
He then said to Manwe that the ships of light were now fettered to
time that neither the ships nor the Valar could break, for although
invisible the fetters were the strongest of things.
Then suddenly Danuin and Ranuin were beside Fanuin.
Danuin gave Manwe the end of an invisible, slender cord. The
movements of the Sun would be the most timely and inevitable of all
things on Earth.
Ranuin gave Manwe the end of an invisible rope. It would allow the
steering of the Moon as best as could be, given the wayward nature
of the Moon, but would also be a measure of time for elves and men.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:14 PM
on Earth?
VardaToday at 5:14 PM
Fanuin gave the cable's end to Manwe, and it was fastened on a rock
upon Taniquetil. It would hold both Sun and Moon to coordinate and
interweave their fates.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:14 PM
Right, at this time it was still Earth.
VardaToday at 5:15 PM
(yes - it said Earth instead of Arda, because this is a paraphrase
of very old writing. My paraphrase so don't beat up Chris for it. ;
) )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:15 PM
ah :smiley:
VardaToday at 5:15 PM
The rope of Fanuin is the Rope of Years, and Urwendi (Arien) going
through the Door of Night will wind it tangling with the daycord
round and about until the Great End.
This will bind the world and dwellers within, including Ainur,
Elves, and Men to the bonds of Time.
They should not fear, because it is the Music of the Ainur.
Danuin, Ranuin, and Fanuin: they are Day, Month, and Year.
Danuin, Day, is exceedingly small and short, with short hair and a
small beard.
Ranuin, Month, is of middle stature, with mid-length hair and beard.
Fanuin, Year, is long and tall, with the beard of the third sweeping
the ground before his feet as he walks.
They are the children of Aluin, Time, who is the oldest of the Ainur
and serves Iluvatar.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:17 PM
Doesn't have to get his shoes dirty.
VardaToday at 5:17 PM
He is beyond, and the three children, after they did their work,
returned beyond as well.
(Hey! We Valar have clean floors!)
This next is referring to an earlier part that I didn't paraphrase,
but ties in. You'll get it.)
But there was reason for the foreboding of the Valar, when first the
Door of Night opened.
Before the Great End would come, Morgoth would contrive a quarrel
between the Sun and Moon.
Ilinsor (Tilion) will try to follow Urwendi (Arien) through the
Gates, and when they are gone, the Gates of both East and West will
be destroyed, and both Ilinsor (Tilion) and Urwendi (Arien) will be
lost.
Fionwe (Eonwe) for love of Urwendi (Arien) will be Melko's
(Morgoth's) bane and destroy the world to destroy his foe.
And so shall all things be rolled away.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:19 PM
How romantic.
VardaToday at 5:20 PM
And that's the story of Time. We had commented previously trying to
remember where we saw the reference to the Vala of Time. This was
it.
This is a lost tale, because it did not work with later
story-telling, but is still interesting, as we might have fun
working out a way to put those of Time into a more canon version of
a hole-filling fan fiction.
Time could not have started at the point above, because later the
Vision is said to be a foretelling,
but now they (the Ainur) "entered in at the beginning of time".
Looking at Christopher Tolkien's notes at the end, we learn the
whole thing was excised without a trace as it had become a dead end.
In an early Qenya word list, a form of this story is given:
"The Sun, after fleeing from the Moon, dived into the sea and
wandered in the caverns of the Oaritsi."
Oaritsi is not defined, but oaris = mermaid.
"Nothing is said in the Lost Tales of the Moon giving chase
to the Sun; it was the stars of Varda that Ilinsor, 'huntsman of the
firmament', pursued and he was 'jealous of the supremacy of the
Sun'.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:21 PM
Under the Sea...
VardaToday at 5:21 PM
hehe
If people ask if JRRT ever mentions mermaids, this is a spot. :
) It's not in the canon part, but it's mentioned.
That was what I had for you tonight. Maybe you can have fun with
some of this with fan fiction or even art.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:23 PM
Well, the original sirens had bird shapes, which is kinda like
Elwing?
VardaToday at 5:23 PM
Well, she did have a bird shape when Ulmo turned her into one to
save her life as she tried to save the Silmaril.
Really reaching to call her a siren though.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:24 PM
hehe
VardaToday at 5:24 PM
Earendil probably thought she was though. ; )
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/art/gallery/Elwing/transformationElwing.htm
The Transformation of Elwing
Illustration of Elwing's change into a bird,
described in JRR Tolkien's "The Silmarillion".
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:25 PM
I like the idea of a Vala of Time.
VardaToday at 5:25 PM
It seems like a Vala we might be able to incorporate.
Sounds as if the other three would be his Maiar.
That gives us some more names if we need more Maiar and Valar in the
future. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:26 PM
By lack of the possibility of children in canon, probably.
VardaToday at 5:26 PM
Right.
Or we could call them all Valar, since they are children of a Vala.
But since Valar don't have children, the survivors into canon were
Maiar usually. We could work with that.
If you're Undying, children would cause an overpopulation problem.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:29 PM
Like the Discworld vampires who were reluctant to reproduce. As they
put it, vampires didn't breed successors, but competition.
VardaToday at 5:29 PM
hah, that covers it, if competition a lot sooner. Same thought.
Resources run out eventually.
Although the Ainur could shift in and out of physicality, unless
they were the evil ones that just had to have those same bodies.
We are half an hour over the hour. Did anyone else want to comment
before we shift to After-meeting? (Can still comment then too)
a gavel hops over to the hammerpad
it tries to hit, but no sound happens
the hammerpad goes "oops"
"Try again"
it shifts to physical form hurriedly
thonkkk!
"Much better"
The gavel pogo stick hops back to the shelf, muttering about
lag.
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After-meeting!
Free chat about anything, even Tolkien and gaming!
I hope you all enjoyed that bit of research into Time. Feel free to
read the much better real version in the Book of Lost Tales!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:35 PM
It was a good summary :smiley:
VardaToday at 5:36 PM
Yay! Beats getting in trouble for copying the whole thing verbatim.
ArienValarToday at 5:48 PM
i like that the Pogo gavel has lag :smiley:
err talk about us old school gamers :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:49 PM
not that old school, had plenty of lag a few days ago during that
Ashran brawl.
Not recommended, btw, at least for now. You can get the weekly brawl
quest done through winning an event, but actually winning the brawl
is... yeesh. 2 hours of back and forth and we still lost.
ArienValarToday at 5:50 PM
reminds me of my first years in wow on a dial up modem and all it
involved .. like disconnects in drungeons .. during boss fights and
abominable lags in cities like stormwind hehe
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:50 PM
And yes, the lag...
60-70 players all trying to kill each other :wink:
ArienValarToday at 5:50 PM
gg
ArienValarToday at 7:15 PM
Namarie all !
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:15 PM
Namarie!
VardaToday at 7:29 PM
Namarie Phar
and Arien and all leaving
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:29 PM
Namarie! Will give personal report in a minute though :wink:
VardaToday at 7:29 PM
Aiyata : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:29 PM
Ah, yes, I'm not leaving yet :wink:
VardaToday at 7:30 PM
ack. Dial-up. remembers
VardaToday at 7:47 PM
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Gematsu
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Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:52 PM
Personal gaming report!
For flashgaming, one of the websites I
go to hasn't updated in almost 2 weeks, so instead I'll end up
giving you 3 games I'd already played before on Kongregate.
https://www.kongregate.com/games/Hamumu/robot-wants-ice-cream
is the first game! A fun platformer, fourth in the "Robot Wants"
series, filled with upgrades to collect and secrets to uncover. When
you feel ready and have what it takes, fly up to the ship that has
been bombing you and prepare for a confrontation which... really
only makes sense if you've done the earlier games, but you shouldn't
need that to have fun :wink:
Kongregate
Robot Wants Ice Cream
In this epic finale to the Robot Wants series,
Robot and Puppy are heading to Happy Ice Cream Planet for a treat.
When they arrive, things are not as they had...
Still, I'd recommend those as well.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:03 PM
https://www.kongregate.com/games/SilenGames/icy-fishes
for the second game, a chain reaction game with upgrades where you
blow up ice and collect the fish inside. Complete all the
achievements!
Kongregate
Icy Fishes
A fun chain reaction game with strategic system.
Help the octopus to rescue fishes from ice floes to... eat them.
https://www.kongregate.com/games/FliplineStudios/papas-freezeria
is the last game, part of the papa's series of time management
games. For this one, make sundaes and keep your customers happy
:smiley:
Kongregate
Papa's Freezeria
You’ve just started an easy job at an ice cream
shop on a laidback tropical island, but things get hectic when all
of Papa Louie’s loyal customers arrive on th...
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Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:16 PM
Blizzard gaming:
Heroes of the Storm:
level 353 still, no new levels. Quests still continuing, 15 days
left now. The last tier of quests is still slow going, but the last
few quests remaining are around halfway each. Should still make it
in time.
Hearthstone:
All the festival quests complete, nice rewards for easy quests
:smiley: Brawl this week is the same as last week, but with
a new warlock hero, Rafaam, whose hero power is to steal a card out
of the opponent's deck. Quite powerful, bit overpowered perhaps,
though I managed to lose against the last boss. Maybe I'll try again
before the reset ends.
In doing so, however, the warlock shot ahead in experience, and is
now level 59 with the other classes still halfway or just under it.
Though warrior and shaman are also getting close, because of the
previous brawl. So I've got specific classes to focus on!
WoW:
Been a busy week!
For raiding, we're now at 7/8 normal difficulty, with only Azshara
left. Lot of complex mechanics, but still doable on normal; today
was our first night of trying and we got her to the last phase with
about 50% health left. Quite hectic, but making good progress. We'll
see how long it takes!
Did more Kings' Rest, first on 5+ difficulty to get the first rank
of the mythic+ dps essence, and when the partyleader happened to get
a +7 keystone for another Kings' Rest, we decided to give that a go
as well. With success, leading to rank 2 of the tanking essence
required for me. I'm really getting the hang of this instance, and I
hope I'll be able to get all 3 essences to rank 3 through it
eventually.
Brawl is Ashran, which as I said before, is a tough one and a long
one. It's basically endless in duration until one of the commanders
dies, which can take hours. But getting one of the events won also
counts for the brawl quest, so I stuck with that.
Got a new pet! Kunchong Hatchling from an island expedition. Cute
little bug pet gotten from the mantid army.
Still leveling Shandris as champion, who's now epic, but legendary
takes a lot longer. She'll get there eventually.
Still doing Zandalar world quests, getting a few new ones every day
still, though many are ones I've already done before. Sometimes only
3-5 quests a day to be done, which is nice. Also got a new toy from
one of them, makes you roar like a dinosaur.
Also a bunch of other toys as well: Finally got the fireworks
paragon reward from the Champions of Azeroth faction, leaving just
the Proudmoore music box from the pre-8.2 factions. And I got the
witherbark gong from the Arathi rares, leaving only 3 more items to
get from that zone.
Weekly is timewalks, and in doing some research towards those, I
found out there's a new toy to buy in the Caverns of Time for
timewarped badges, a jar of sunwarmed sand which shifts the lighting
to daylight for a few hours. Very nice considering I usually only
play in the evening, so I rarely get to see areas in the daytime
:smiley:
Not done with timewalks yet, need 3 more, but I aim to get those
tomorrow. The weekly quest for 5 now gives a random piece of Eternal
Palace loot, so it's appreciated, and I hope I get something good
out of it.
Oh, and I got my first tanking essence rank from the Eternal Palace
as well, which is actually quite good. Getting the other roles'
essences and higher ranks will take a while though, as they get more
expensive in terms of the items you need from bosses in the raid.
And finally, I got the Dark Iron allied race unlocked! Fun
questline, wherein I got to visit the Molten Core and the Firelands,
as well as solo the bosses in the Motherlode 5-man dungeon on normal
difficulty. I could've found a group for it on any difficulty I
suppose, but I wanted to try it as a challenge, and it worked with
some effort :smiley:
As a reward, I got a new mount: the Dark Iron Core Hound. Which was
my 350 mount for the achievement, so I got a new mount as reward:
the Frostshard Infernal, a recolor of the mythic drop from Gul'dan
back in Legion. Looks very cool, pun not intended :wink:
And with the Dark Iron unlocked, I finally created the elemental
shaman I had been planning since the allied race was first announced
back before the expansion came out, and for which I'd bought a
store-mount and store-pet specifically. A screenshot of the
combination can be found in the screenshots channel, but if for some
reason you're more closely interested in her design, there's always
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/argent-dawn/calmoria
World of Warcraft
Calmoria - Character - WoW
Calmoria (Argent Dawn) ❮The High Guard❯ - 20 Dark
Iron Dwarf Elemental Shaman, 12 ilvl
With that milestone achieved, I think my next project is working on
a few smaller questing achievements... which will be in next week's
report if I'm not as busy as I was this past week, or I might not
get around to them :wink:
And that's my report for the week!
VardaToday at 8:42 PM
Thank you, Phar. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 9:15 PM
namarie!
VardaYesterday at 9:15 PM
Namarie
TreebeardYesterday at 9:18 PM
Hello
VardaYesterday at 9:18 PM
Aiya Fangorn
TreebeardYesterday at 9:19 PM
Namarie
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