Valar Guild

February 17, 2019 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern time (-5 GMT)
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by
Varda.

Attending (and spoke): (3)
    Discord: Arien (presiding),  Ar-Pharazon, Pallando

Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news
Web
Gaming:
    General reports
Tolkien:
    Topic: Tolkien Moment and discussion about the moment when Sauron realizes that he has been looking the wrong way all this time.
    see also After-meeting, Pallando's report.
After-meeting:
    Pallando-(Valar)'s report on the Tolkien Exhibition that he attended. (Added in.)
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting
(times are in Central from Varda's Discord, so add one hour for Eastern. Example: 4pm Central in the transcript is 5pm Eastern)

Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 3:36 PM
Should be back not long after meeting starts!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:13 PM
Aiya lurkers and transcriptreaders!
Varda not here, giving Arien a bit of time to get ready if she wants, otherwise this'll be an interesting meeting...
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ArienVLast Sunday at 4:23 PM
Elen Sila lumenn omentielvo
A star shines upon the hour of our meeting

Membership:
Varda unfortunately cannot preside tonight since she is attending a book coverntion in  Fort Worth in Texas.
http://www.condfw.org/
    ConDFW XVIII
    2019 Guests of Honor. [table id=4 /]   Programming is live!
that is where she went and it sounds interesting   We hope she  has a good time there :
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:26 PM
Hope so!
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:27 PM
This week also was Valentine  's day and we wish all couples a happy Valentine@s day and hope you had a good one
Eonwe is also working tonight . thus active presently are myself and Ar Pharazon with the usual lurkers in the background as i see from the side
Any Valar membeers seen online P:hari?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:32 PM
hmm...
Fladrif's still around, at least!
And I think I saw you in the channel, or was that last week?
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:36 PM
no you probably saw me this week as well
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Gaming:
which brings us to Gaming news which Eonwe as usual prepared
so Blizzard Gaming:)

World of Warcraft
This weeks Bonus event are pet battles.
Love is in the Air, the Valentine Event is still running until the 26th of this month
With our favorite Alchemists active in Shadowfang Keep :)P
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:39 PM
With a new hearthstone toy to buy for 150 charms!
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:39 PM
and some nice pyjamas .. errr i mean suits
I like to use them ic as pyjamas for my characters
And of course Raidfinder Wing 2 for the Battle of Dazar Alor is live now
which i had the joy  of already testing out
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:41 PM
Yay! Bwonsamdi fight!
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:42 PM
seems to be quite decent apart from the first fight in there . which is the council of the loa or something like that since pug groups like to reset the encounter a lot ..
or s that the second
could be the second
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:43 PM
Second, yep. First is the gold elemental
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:43 PM
and .. yes we as Horde have to fight as Alliance scum dry .. which some Hordies are less then enthusiastic about
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:44 PM
Ah, but you get the joy of hearing the story from a surviving npc who thickens up the truth a bit... Genn never asked for Talanji as a hostage in the alliance version :wink:
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:45 PM
ah  :smiley:  you didnt know that eh?
yeah but we know about the pact
anyway the link you can find here
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22882885/battle-of-dazar-alor-raid-finder-wing-2-available
    World of Warcraft
    Battle of Dazar’alor Raid Finder Wing 2 Available! - WoW
    Battle of Dazar’alor Raid Finder Wing 2: Death’s Bargain (for Horde players) and Empire’s Fall (for Alliance) are now available!
There is also some hotfixes
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22824893/hotfixes-february-14-2019
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: February 14, 2019 - WoW
​    Here you'll find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft:Battle For Azeroth.

Heroes of the Storm:
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/22887055/heroes-of-the-storm-live-patch-notes-february-12-2019-2019-2-12/
    Heroes of the Storm
    Legendary heroes and villains from Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo are summoned to the Nexus. Choose your hero and prepare to fight in Heroes of the Storm!
[more below Hearthstone]

Hearthstone:
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/22882145/developer-insights-with-joseph-magdalena-the-season-of-rastakhan
    Developer Insights with Joseph Magdalena: The Season of Rastakhan!
    Join Hearthstone Live Content Designer Joseph “joemag” Magdalena as he chats about the Season of Rastakhan and what you have to look forward to from Tavern Brawls during the Brawl of Champions!
Interesting they should focus on Rastakhan so much :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:49 PM
Well, they did tie in the new expansion with Zandalar focus in WoW, so it fits :smiley:
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:49 PM
A shame we have to say good bye to him now that we just got to know him really.
Apparently he reigned the Zandalari though for over 200 years and kind of unified the troll races.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:50 PM
I wonder if he'll actually be taken out of the world though. Maybe for those who've finished the 8.1 war campaign.
Well, unified is a strong word... the other races have always respected the Zandalari, but the other races have generally been doing their own thing :wink: Though I guess they did unite during the Cataclysm expansion.
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:51 PM
Only Zul of course and his High Priestess have always been messing with Azeroth and never came any good of it ...
One remembers the Zul s :smiley:
Zul Aman and uuhm  Zul Gurub
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:52 PM
Gurub, Aman, 'Jin? :wink:
Farrak
Drak
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:52 PM
hehe yup
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:52 PM
many Zul-somethings around!
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:53 PM
the Storyline in Stranglethorn or one of them is around the Prophet actually
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:54 PM
And he also shows up in Pandaria.
ArienVLast Sunday at 4:54 PM
and you learn that the Zul mentioned in Pandaria and was involved in the resurrection of the Yangoi Empire indeed is our old friend
so he is messing around everywhere really

I forgot the Hotfixes for Heroes of the Storm
which you can find here
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/22887058/heroes-of-the-storm-hotfix-patch-notes-february-15-2019-2019-2-15/
    Heroes of the Storm
    Legendary heroes and villains from Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo are summoned to the Nexus. Choose your hero and prepare to fight in Heroes of the Storm!
my appologies

Lord of the Rings Online:
Lotro had a  new patch out as well
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?671230-LOTRO-Update-23-3-1-Release-Notes
    LOTRO Update 23.3.1 Release Notes
    Here are the Release Notes for Update 23.3.1, released on Wednesday, February 13th.
    News and Notes:
    Quests and Adventure Areas
Just a second just getting the active players last week
Landroval:
Arien
Varda
Nar
Mirabella
Eonwe
Bregalad
Lenwe
Fangorn

Anor:
Arien
Varda
Fangorn

Ithil:
Dis who is there at the moment :smiley:
Arien
Falco
Varda
That is all the servers :O)
And the end of the formal part :smiley:
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Tolkien:
Suggestions for a Tolkien moment Phar?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:28 PM
Sure, I've got one. A powerful moment when I was going through the Mount Doom chapter a few weeks ago.
If I can get this book to stay open...
"And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dűr was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown.
The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare.
Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his stratagems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten.
The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgűl, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom."
/end quote
I liked this one because it gave a very powerful view on the desperation Sauron must have felt in that moment, when the wholly unexpected was suddenly revealed, and his utter confidence turned to fear and panic and one single goal to stop what was about to  happen.
Have you got an opinion on it? :smiley:
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:41 PM
Sauron the Lord of Terror, Horror and Fear pannicks :smiley:
panics
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:41 PM
Right :smile:
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:41 PM
i bet that was a first for him :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:42 PM
I wonder how he felt when his temple started sinking under the sea in Numenor.
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:43 PM
similar maybe but he prolbably knew it wasnt the complete end of his power
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:43 PM
Not as final a doom as this one, but still a major setback, and probably an unexpected and panicky moment.
Indeed :smiley:
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:44 PM
But else .. i don't think he panicked before or after
Well after the end in Mordor would have been difficult
probably in Mandos where he had to be for judgement?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:45 PM
Still a few tough moments in the Silmarillion as well. Didn't he lose a fight as a wolf?
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:45 PM
ah yes . iorgot about that .. against Beren  or Luthien even was it?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:46 PM
Been a while... I know Finrod was involved, and what about Huan?
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:46 PM
Finrod actually went with Beren to Thangorodrim because he felt oathbound
or actually that was before
I forgot the name of that fortress but Luthien was kept prisoner there
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:47 PM
Tol Sirion, right?
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:47 PM
and Beren went to get her .. but Finrod came along
yes :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:49 PM
I thought Luthien and Huan came to rescue him :wink:
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:52 PM
then that was before ..
It was an earlier version what i have in mind
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:57 PM
Aha.
ArienVLast Sunday at 5:57 PM
i am just checking in Beren and Luthien
"Felagund was in the hands of Thu"
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:59 PM
Hah, Thu, I remember that name...
Wasn't he also involved in Turin's story?
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:00 PM
"Then Thu slew his captives one by one until only Felagund  and Beren were left"
"and Luthien sang outside the dungeons and everyone was beguiled
and even Morgoth desired her"
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:02 PM
Awkward.
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:02 PM
and as all the wolves came out Huan slew them one by one
until Drauglauin the greatest of his wolves came out*
some say that was Sauron in wolf form i think
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:04 PM
I think in the later versions, after Draugluin was defeated, Sauron himself came out in wolf form.
Hang on while I look up if Thu was also involved in Turin's story...
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:05 PM
right then theen Thu knew that Luthien was not alone and came out himself in wolfs form and made himself the greatest wolf that walked the earth but was defeated and Huan won the keys of him"
so they let Beren  and Felagund out and after that Huan returned to Celegorm again but less was the love between them it is said
thats my abbreviated adaption  :_)
not a direct quote btw
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:08 PM
Ah, I was mistaken. Another sorcerer was involved with Turin's story, called Kuruki.
If Thu and  Kuruki had stood in their incarnations, they might as well have been combined later on. But Thu turned into Sauron and Kuruki got usurped by a dragon :wink:
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:16 PM
hehe :smiley:

right our time is over actually in fact even with the delay and we got a real Tolkien discussion thanks to your moment :smiley:
so ... "the gavel jumps of its hook ..  . makes a salto in the air .. turns into a stick wolf . bounces abut .. decides its rather a stick dragon .. flies in a circle before it loudly roars and turns back into a gavel and back to its hook" ..
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Aftermeetting!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:19 PM
A stick wolf, eh?
Been messing around in Drustvar?
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:22 PM
uh .. btqw  hehe seems so
i have finally managed to do "The Pride of Kul TirasQ" achievement :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:23 PM
Grats :smile:
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:23 PM
what a story eh?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:23 PM
Indeed!
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:24 PM
makes our beloved "Bitch of Tempers" , how our horde characters love to entitle her,  seem more human and understandable :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:24 PM
Ah, well, as an Alliance main, she's one of my favorites :wink:
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:25 PM
oh aye i always liked Jaina
such a tragic figure
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:25 PM
Yep.
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:25 PM
a bit bad luck with lovers and would be lovers
. .. first Arthas .. then Kael .. then Kalec
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:26 PM
Might get back together with Kalec one day, who knows?
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:30 PM
I hope so
we know that Azures remain alive and active in . where was it .. in one of the Legion Areas
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:31 PM
Azsuna, yep. But they're also still around in Northrend, and I believe Kalec himself is still in Dalaran.
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:31 PM
Kalec as far as i know remains Lord of the Kirin Tor
we know Jaina visited him shortly before she left for Kul tiras
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:32 PM
Yep.
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:32 PM
and  when Jaina gets beaten up .. I bet he might come tol her aid and maybe with his help just escapes
i haven t seen the end cinematic yet of the raid so i am just speculating :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:34 PM
Yeah, we're still on the Stormwall Blockade in normal. We'll get there soon!
Though you will probably see it first :wink:
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:35 PM
hehe :smiley:
right . for me it is bed time now i fear yawns
I ll read your gaming report tomorrow
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:36 PM
Namarie then, I'll give my personal report for the transcript after this quick SCII match :smiley:
ArienVLast Sunday at 6:37 PM
oki doc Namarie :smiley:
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Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:53 PM
Personal gaming report!
Flashgaming: 3 games from the onemorelevel site this week.

http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/fire_girl_and_water_boy_5 is the first! Return of a series wherein you control 2 characters at once with controls on the opposite sides of the keyboard, in platformer levels that feature symmetry, puzzling, and cooperation between the two, but each is vulnerable to different obstacles. Sure, you can move one at a time to make it easier, but if you want to hit the timed rewards, it's good to multitask a bit :smiley:
    Fire Boy and Water Girl 5 - OneMoreLevel.com
This part of the series is a combination of the previous games, with several level sets to unlock, taking place in the different temples with different mechanics. Something for everyone!

Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:10 PM
http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/ur_place is the second game, a short-ish platformer, atmospheric and dark (in other words, creepy) where you play a girl trying to find home, taking you through various environments, getting brighter as you go. There are ways to die, but unlimited lives, so keep trying :smiley:
    Ur Place - OneMoreLevel.com

Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:21 PM
http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/adelie is the third game! A mod of a game called Celeste, which I'd never heard of, which is rather a tough platformer. You need to time your jumps and dashes well. And also remember that you can dash upwards, I couldn't get far before I realized that :wink:
    Adelie - OneMoreLevel.com
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Blizzard gaming:
Diablo 3:
Necromancer is level 65 now, and doing well! Completed the storymode with Act V, getting 2 more achievements there, doing his first Rift, as well as 5 bounties for chapter 1, and getting yet another necromancer achievement at the Skeleton King along the way.
I've started on chapter 2, collecting Kanai's Cube, and getting ready for a few more bosskills to finish that chapter, as well as the last 5 levels required. With that done I'll have the first setbonus of the class reward set, which I can use for a few more necromancer achievements, leaving only the last grindy one for elites/champions, where I need only about 70 more out of 500. I'm hoping to get those during the bounty acts of chapter 3, and am now feeling a lot better about finishing chapter 4 and the necromancer meta achievement before the season is over.
Starcraft II:
Phase 3 of the war chest has started, and I've got the first tier of 5 completed already. Each war chest phase comes with a comic, and this one finally seems to have hit  the end, so I wonder what they'll do for future war chests. Probably start a new adventure!
Heroes of the Storm:
The game board event is finally over. I managed to complete a third lap about a day before it ended, so that was nice. Now something new, smaller, is going on, with a couple of themed skins and mounts based on a military/resistance theme.
There is a video associated with it, which mostly reminds me of the A-Team, but is probably a common theme for over the top military shows and movies.
With more references to other stuff as well :wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBGhj-RC1Zw for the curious!
    YouTube
    Heroes of the Storm
    Join the Resistance!
Regardless, short of the new stuff to collect, there doesn't seem to be much  happening. I'm expecting something more lunar new year like to come soon instead.
Anyway, still level 334, so nothing new. Brawl was one of my favorites though, the testing facility where everyone gets stuck playing the same hero, so it's 5v5 of the same random hero, which makes for fun games.
Hearthstone:
All classes at 57 now! Onward to 58 :wink: The lunar event with the extra rewarding quests is over, though I've still to complete my last one. Rastakhan season has started, with 3 weeks of brawls with fixed decks, based around certain troll champions and shrines, with each week being more overpowered than the last. Also, there'll be a quest each week to play (winning not needed, just play) 3 brawls for a free pack. So enjoy the brawl!
WoW:
Still pushing the new raid. Working on stormwall blockade, as well as clearing the 7 bosses before it, which is starting to go quite smoothly. We're making a few bits of progress on the blockade, but still far to go, as the timers are tight and the adds need to die in time.
Getting more loot from various places, including some titanforged bracers from an emissary tonight... getting upgrades out of raid is not what I expected, but I'll take it.

Pallando-ValarLast Sunday at 7:45 PM
hi folks
did you see my messages in #harbor?

Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:45 PM
Expeditions still continuing, got the achievement for total azerite gathered from there. Couple of pets which were duplicates, and a new transmog weapon.

Ah, your report from the exhibition?
Read through it, seems interesting, though I wonder if I didn't see a similar map in the History... I'm sure Varda would like to comment on it further in next week's meeting, languages aren't my thing :smiley:
[Note: Below is Pallando's report on the Tolkien Exhibition that he went to, referenced above, from our Harbor channel:
Pallando-ValarLast Saturday at 10:22 AM
The two Towers he picked were Minas morgue and orthnac
For the original cover
Exhibit is packed
Pallando-ValarLast Saturday at 10:31 AM
Orome directly credited with the creation of language
Non_valinor
Pallando-ValarLast Sunday at 12:46 PM
So there wasn't a particular lot of legendarium info that struck me as interesting, and I couldn't take pictures, sadly
The language tree that had all of the different languages and where they came from was interesting. Either directly derived from Valarin, or through Orome (all other Elvish languages) Aule (all Dwarven dialects) or Melkor (Orcish).
Interestingly, the languages of men seems to be related to but not directly derived from the languages of Orome, Aule, and Melkor.
I think this is all known info though.
There was a neat map that Tolkien drew that had a view from west to east, with the Misty Mountains running lengthwise across the map
and at an angle
not straight top down, but more like a 45 deg angle
I probably won't make the meeting, but figured I'd write that up.
Oh! There was also a map of proto-middle earth from I want to say like 1918? But I couldn't describe it well enough to do it justice.
Also some sigils for different people.
They were circles filled with various designs.
Ar-Pharazon-VWell, back to WoW,
Lunar Festival is over now, and Love is in the Air has started, so I'm fighting the apothecaries daily for a chance at the rocket mount, as well as gathering 150 tokens for the new hearthstone. Going quite well, and ahead of schedule.
Weekly was pet battling, with a quest to win 5 pvp pet battles, which I did with a full elemental team to work on the achievement for that one.
More world quests! Mostly pet battles, still. Got 100% on humanoid, while getting the achievements for magic (if that wasn't the week before) and mechanical. Only achievement left is for undead, with 3 tamers to fight before I get that, but to reach 100% on all families requires 13 more specific battles. End is nigh!
Been getting more pet charms from those battles and other sources as well, and after analyzing the strategies for those missing 13 fights a bit, I came to the conclusion that I won't need to level up too many pets anymore for them. So I decided to spend the charms on new purchases instead!
From the Stormsong vendor, I got a mechanical mouse toy, which you can get your pet to chase, as well as 2 new actual pets, an eel and a sort of blue butterfly thing.
Oh, speaking of pet vendors, those 5 pvp pet battles paid off in that I got a reward from one, which unlocks a mission, which unlocks a quest, which unlocks a new pet vendor, selling the pets from the opposite faction's vendors. So I've got even more stuff to buy for those charms. But at least I won't have to sneak into horde cities and camps to buy those same pets now!
And I also got 2 more items from Arathi warfront rares, including a 2-headed buzzard and a toy which puts a brazier on my head, the latter being dropped, of course, by a kobold.
And finally I've got a bit of more annoying news, which is going to keep me a bit busier in WoW... I've run into a bug whereby returning mail from my alts can appear as empty mails, which delete themselves after closing them, causing those items to be lost. It's happened a few times, and I'm not exactly sure what was was gone, but I searched through my alts' mailboxes and at least the most unique and unavailable items are still there. Made a ticket, but after some ticketing back and forth, apparently it shows me as having deleted those mails, and they can't be recovered. So I just submitted the bug, and decided to store the more important items (those still left, anyway) out of the mail and on my alts. In doing so, I'm going to need to spend quite a bit of time buying bags, equipping them on the characters, and analyzing each mail for the more important stuff rather than the junk I can afford to lose. So that's a process I've started this weekend.
I have a few ideas about how to avoid the bug, but still, this should make me feel more secure about the stuff I really don't want to lose, as well as ultimately giving me less mail to sort out every day. So that's the silver lining, I guess.
And hey, it gives me a reason to use those new characters from the allied races... more storage space :wink:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 8:24 PM
And after that short while of my router not working... that's the end of my report for the week!
namarie!
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