December 22, 2019 Sunday Meeting
5:00
P.M. Eastern time (-4 GMT aka 9 P.M. aka 21:00)
Discord:
Valar Guild/meeting_place
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Transcript work by Varda.
[times are Central Time from Varda's Discord. Add one hour for
Eastern.]
["slight smile" is the same as we are used to using as a regular
smiley]
Attending (and
spoke): (4)
Discord:
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Falco, Varda (presiding)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news
Web:
Stories by Shirebound:
"By Chance or Purpose"
"The Island"
Gaming:
General reports: World of Warcraft, Warcraft 3:
Reforged, Heroes of the Storm, more WoW, Lord of the Rings Online,
Hearthstone
Tolkien:
Topic: "Eucatastrophe", the
term coined by JRRT.
After-meeting:
Flashgaming Reviews by
Ar-Pharazon
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Before-meeting
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:02 PM
Aiya!
VardaLast Sunday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Phar : )
Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Membership:
We have a post from Elatan-(Valar) on the forum. Feel free to pop in
and say hi to him, folks. : )
How's the computer doing, Phar?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:07 PM
Holding up well Reinstalled some games, got a bunch of music
back.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:07 PM
Very good!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:07 PM
For membership, I met Fladrif in Hearthstone... but that's a fun
story which I guess I should keep for the gaming section
VardaLast Sunday at 4:08 PM
./wave to Fladrif
Fangorn and I have our 46th wedding anniversary today. Dropped by
Bilbo and family's house. Then we went walking through the Arboretum
with Sauron, sunny and pleasant. Apple pie tonight!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:09 PM
Congrats!
VardaLast Sunday at 4:09 PM
Thank you. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:09 PM
Gold not too far away.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:10 PM
They keep changing what to call each year, so we really lost track
of those.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:10 PM
I'm pretty sure it's still 50
VardaLast Sunday at 4:10 PM
Neato.
Got me looking it up, heh
ArienValarLast Sunday at 4:12 PM
Aiya and congratulations to the anniversary
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:12 PM
hehe
Aiya!
VardaLast Sunday at 4:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_anniversary
Wedding anniversary
A wedding anniversary is the anniversary of the
date a wedding took place.
Traditional names exist for some of them: for
instance, fifty years of marriage is called a "golden wedding
anniversary"
or simply a "golden anniversary" or "golden
wedding".
Thank you, Arien. : )
ArienValarLast Sunday at 4:13 PM
yummy apple pie takes a piece
VardaLast Sunday at 4:13 PM
passes around ice cream to go with that hot apple pie
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Web News:
Two stories for you this week, from
Shirebound.
I finally completed putting up "By Chance or Purpose", sorry for the
long wait there:
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Shirebound/ByChanceorPurpose01.htm
By Chance or Purpose ch. 1 "The Doom of Men"
fanfiction Fellowship of the Rings
AU. The journey taken by the hobbits and Aragorn
from Bree to
Rivendell: If the bond between Frodo and Aragorn
from
"Quarantined" had been set up before the hobbits
met
Strider in Bree, how might this fateful journey
...
The next story up is "The Island":
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Shirebound/TheIsland01.htm
The Island ch. 1 "Getting Acquainted"
fanfiction Fellowship of the Rings
AU. Nine people (two Men, one Dwarf, one wizard,
one Elf, and four
hobbits) have crash landed on a seemingly
deserted -- and possibly
mysterious -- island. The Fellowship of the Ring
meet, bond, and
face danger togeth...
So there's two holiday packages for the guild. : )
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Gaming:
Eonwe says he probably won't be able to make it tonight.
He has been working hard for us behind the scenes figuring out some
cool new coding for the whole site. We'll see how much we can
implement, as I'm not really a coder.
Also he found the time to put up gaming news for us:
http://valarguild.org/gaming
The Valar Guild Games Site
Valar Guild Games Site
Lots of holiday happenings across all games!
Feel free to mention it for your own games.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:18 PM
Was leafing through that Island one.
As one of the few people I know who watched Lost all the way and
still was able to make some sense of it, it looks quite interesting
VardaLast Sunday at 4:19 PM
ah neato. Helps to have seen the show "The Island" with Merry, er,
Dominic Monaghan, but don't have to.
You should recognize some of what happens then. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:19 PM
Hmhm!
VardaLast Sunday at 4:20 PM
Our authors are always interested to see comments on their writing
from the meeting, checking the transcript, so feel free to say
stuff.
World of WarCraft:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:21 PM
I haven't read too much of it, but from what I saw it looked quite
good :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:21 PM
The Feast of Winterveil begins Dec 16 and runs through Thursday,
January 2nd.
Enjoy the story!
This week's bonus event: Arena Skirmishes.
Patch 8.3: Visions of N'Zoth will be live January 14th.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23237904/battle-for-azeroth-visions-of-n-zoth-goes-live-january-14
World of Warcraft
Battle for Azeroth: Visions of N’Zoth Goes Live
January 14 - WoW
Freed from his prison, the Old God N’Zoth sets
his visions of the future loose on the inhabitants of Azeroth in the
next Battle for Azeroth content update.
Hotfixes came out this week.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23164374/hotfixes-december-20-2019
World of Warcraft
Hotfixes: December 20, 2019 - WoW
Here you'll find a list of hotfixes that address
various issues related to World of Warcraft: Battle For Azeroth.
WarCraft 3: Reforged
Warcraft 3: Reforged will be coming live January 28th.
https://playwarcraft3.com/en-us/
Warcraft III: Reforged
Experience the epic origin stories of Warcraft,
now more stunning and evocative than ever before.
Heroes of the Storm:
The winter event is now going and will run until the week of March
3rd.
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/23227139/the-toys-are-back-in-town-heroes-of-the-storm-2019-winter-event-details-2019-12-16/
Heroes of the Storm
Legendary heroes and villains from Warcraft,
StarCraft and Diablo are summoned to the Nexus. Choose your hero and
prepare to fight in Heroes of the Storm!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:24 PM
Also for WoW: Lots of cosmetics up for discounts! Pets,
mounts, a few toys.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:24 PM
Nice. Thanks, Phar
Check out the blog All Aboard: Creating the Nexus’s First Multi-Hero
Mount and will run until the week of March 3rd.
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/23263427/all-aboard-creating-the-nexuss-first-multi-hero-mount-2019-12-20/
Heroes of the Storm
Legendary heroes and villains from Warcraft,
StarCraft and Diablo are summoned to the Nexus. Choose your hero and
prepare to fight in Heroes of the Storm!
Lord of the Rings Online:
The Yule Festival is going now through January 9th.
Handsome new horse for the Yule festival, and of course we have
pets, cosmetics, Anfalas crystals, etc.
I'll have to give the player's list (and thank you for coming) later
in the meeting, as I haven't been home long enough to collect it. It
will happen!
Any other gaming news? Or other news?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:27 PM
I'll share the tale of a Hearthstone experience with Fladrif
:slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:27 PM
Cool! Thanks.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:28 PM
The brawl this week is a christmas/winter veil related one,
with each side getting a gift from greatfather winter, and it being
replaced on a player's turn when it's no longer there. Whoever
destroys a gift, whether your own or the enemy's, gets the choice of
a great card with a huge mana discount. So it's a major advantage.
I logged into Hearthstone a few days ago, and found Fladrif battling
in the brawl, and decided to spectate how he was doing in his..
paladin deck, I believe.
He was doing rather well, but I'd created a rather unbalanced
warlock deck complete with cards focused on gift destruction; the
warlock especially has a focus on destroying your own minions.
Usually a risk or sacrifice, but in this case it was a double
advantage :wink:
So I watched him play a few matches, did a random one myself, and
then we decided to try our decks against each other.
My broken warlock deck destroyed his, but that was fine; he decided
to make a variation of it on his own and try it out himself. To
great success!
And finally, of course, we had to pitch our two warlock decks
against each other :stuck_out_tongue:
And it was glorious! Hilarious! And way longer than either of us had
expected. It took about half an hour, almost depleting both our
decks, with some brilliantly funny plays.
One of the best matches I've ever played.
It was pretty close too; I think I only won due to some lucky gifts
:wink:
And to show there were no hard feelings, we helped each other out
with a few quick quests afterwards.
So we had good fun for several hours, and I just wanted to share it
:0
* :slight_smile:
And that was my gaming news, though more personal news will of
course follow at the aftermeeting :wink:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:37 PM
Thank you, Pharazon
Sounds like fun. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:38 PM
Very much so!
VardaLast Sunday at 4:38 PM
Any other news, suggestions, requests?
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Tolkien!
Please type JRRT if you're here. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:40 PM
JRRT
VardaLast Sunday at 4:40 PM
JRRT
FalcoLast Sunday at 4:40 PM
JRRT
VardaLast Sunday at 4:40 PM
Aiya Falco!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:40 PM
Aiya!
FalcoLast Sunday at 4:41 PM
Aiya! :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:42 PM
One thing JRRT believed in was that fantasy
could give beautiful moments of sudden understanding or clarity.
Anyone remember the term?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:42 PM
Ehr, the only term that comes to mind is revelation.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:42 PM
Not bad!
eucatastrophe
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:42 PM
Aha.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:43 PM
JRRT tells about it in a couple of places: Letters 89, and "On
Fairy-Stories".
Eu is Greek for "good", the next part also Greek is for
"destruction">
He coined the word, so it's not something seen everywhere.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:45 PM
He did have a way with languages.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:45 PM
: )
He says in the Letter:
the sudden happy turn in a story which pierces you with
a joy that brings tears (which I argued it is the highest function
of fairy-stories to produce). And I was there led to the view that
it produces its peculiar effect because it is a sudden glimpse of
Truth, your whole nature chained in material cause and effect, the
chain of death, feels a sudden relief as if a major limb out of
joint had suddenly snapped back.
It perceives – if the story has literary 'truth' on the second
plane (....) – that this is indeed how things really do work in
the Great World for which our nature is made.
And I concluded by saying that the Resurrection was the greatest
'eucatastrophe' possible in the greatest Fairy Story – and
produces that essential emotion: Christian joy which produces
tears because it is qualitatively so like sorrow, because it comes
from those places where Joy and Sorrow are at one, reconciled, as
selfishness and altruism are lost in Love."
.
"On Fairy-Stories" has more:
.
But the 'consolation' of fairy-tales has another aspect
than the imaginative satisfaction of ancient desires.
Far more important is the Consolation of the Happy Ending.
Almost I would venture to assert that all complete fairy-stories
must have it.
At least I would say that Tragedy is the true form of Drama, its
highest function; but the opposite is true of Fairy-story.
Since we do not appear to possess a word that expresses this
opposite — I will call it Eucatastrophe.
The eucatastrophic tale is the true form of fairy-tale, and its
highest function.
.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:48 PM
An interesting thought... because I remember many classic fairytales
originally having quite gruesome turns and endings.
VardaLast Sunday at 4:48 PM
Agreed. And could be called tragedies.
JRRT continues:
The consolation of fairy-stories, the joy of the happy
ending: or more correctly of the good catastrophe, the sudden
joyous “turn” (for there is no true end to any fairy-tale): this
joy, which is one of the things which fairy-stories can produce
supremely well, is not essentially 'escapist', nor 'fugitive'. In
its fairy-tale—or otherworld—setting, it is a sudden and
miraculous grace: never to be counted on to recur.
It does not deny the existence of dyscatastrophe, of sorrow and
failure: the possibility of these is necessary to the joy of
deliverance; it denies (in the face of much evidence, if you will)
universal final defeat and in so far is evangelium, giving a
fleeting glimpse of Joy, Joy beyond the walls of the world,
poignant as grief.
It is the mark of a good fairy-story, of the higher or more
complete kind, that however wild its events, however fantastic or
terrible the adventures, it can give to child or man that hears
it, when the “turn” comes, a catch of the breath, a beat and
lifting of the heart, near to (or indeed accompanied by) tears, as
keen as that given by any form of literary art, and having a
peculiar quality."
./end quotes
.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:50 PM
As someone who watched the 30 minute finale of the Starcrafts series
this very afternoon... I can already think of several moments where
that occurs :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:50 PM
Sounds interesting.
We hear so little of Joy, that this seemed to be a good time to
bring it up. : )
We need to see the joy as well as all the other.
What did you see in StarCraft? spoiler alert
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zom0687XCE
for the finale; I actually watched it through the youtube feature on
our big tv, which was great. That lifting of the heart and
accompanying of tears happens several times in the epilogue, but
there's also some moments in the battle itself.
YouTube
CarbotAnimations
StarCrafts S7 E7 "GG No Re" [SERIES FINALE]
When it seems to go badly, but reinforcements
come around; when characters who were thought lost return in glory.
Fights that are turned around, sudden alliances
and victories...
VardaLast Sunday at 4:55 PM
Well said.
If anyone else would like to put in an example of a surprise happy
turn-around, please feel free. Now or in the After-meeting. : )
We are coming up on the hour.
the gavel hops out but falls on the table
embarrassed, it retreats back towards the shelf
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:57 PM
Well, I'm sure there's some moments in LotR :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 4:58 PM
the hammerpad rolls up to the shelf and taps the gavel
thummmk!
the gavel hops up and down in happiness and the hammerpad
rolls back to its place.
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 4:58 PM
Tom Bombadil coming to the rescue (twice), the destruction of the
Ring and being saved by the eagles, the reinforcements at Helm's
Deep...
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VardaLast Sunday at 4:58 PM
After-meeting!
Good examples!
Falco sighting on LotRO, Ithil. : )
LotRO players this past week:
Landroval:
Celebrian
Eonwe
Fangorn
Mirabella
Nar
Varda
Ithil:
Dis
Falco
Fangorn
Varda
Anor:
Fangorn
Varda
Thank you all for coming. : )
ArienValarLast Sunday at 5:15 PM
thanks for chairing :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 5:16 PM
I appreciate your having done it for the group several times already
too! Yay Arien!
ArienValarLast Sunday at 5:16 PM
That gavel reminded me of a guild mate in classic trying for almost
an hour to jump on a shelf in Kharanos in the dwarven tavern , but a
guild mate helped her until she made it :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 5:16 PM
A happy ending!
ArienValarLast Sunday at 5:16 PM
indeed :smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 5:17 PM
Sweat helps make happy endings too. Grats on the guild mate for
continuing to try.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:20 PM
Happy miscellaneous winter solstice celebration!
And have a nice day :wink:
VardaLast Sunday at 5:21 PM
And much happy eating with friends and family!
hahahahaha
Have a nice day!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:22 PM
Oh, and now maybe to get a laugh:
For some years now, I've been collecting "kongpanions" on the
Kongregate gaming website, through the badges I've mentioned.
VardaLast Sunday at 5:22 PM
Intriguing
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:23 PM
Each week there's a new kongpanion to earn, and since a few months
they've been announced 2 days in advance by silhouette on a
forumthread.
VardaLast Sunday at 5:23 PM
Sounds like pets?
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:23 PM
So a bunch of people in said thread decided to use said silhouette
and, rather than make the obvious predictions, come up with silly
things that fit the silhouettes.
Yes, collectable pets/companions, though they don't serve much of a
purpose other than collecting and looking at them
I'm not too good at drawing, but since a week or two I've joined in,
coming up with silly original ideas with a rather flat artstyle, and
in the christmas spirit, I wanted to share mine for this week.
https://cdn1.kongcdn.com/assets/files/0002/7268/Teaser_122319_Small.png
is the original silhouette. Probably gonna be some four-legged
creature with a christmas hat, right?
I decided to think out of the box and go with
https://i.imgur.com/vA0SC6f.png
So I hope you enjoy it!
ArienValarLast Sunday at 5:31 PM
looks cool
Namarie for now
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:31 PM
namarie!
VardaLast Sunday at 5:31 PM
Namarie Arien : )
ArienValarLast Sunday at 5:32 PM
have a great and Merry christmas or just a good time
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:32 PM
You too!
VardaLast Sunday at 5:44 PM
Fangorn /waves hi!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 5:45 PM
Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 6:41 PM
Afk a while, will give personal gaming report later. Got some good
stuff!
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Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:13 PM
Personal gaming report:
3 new flashgames!
https://www.kongregate.com/games/konrda15/snake-incremental
is the first game, basically an idle game without idling.
Kongregate
Snake Incremental
Snake with upgrades.
Play snake, collect coins, get achievements for more coins, and
spend coins on lots and lots of upgrades.
Upgrade your coin value, your length bonus, your playing field, your
speed and even magnetic attraction. See how long it takes to get all
the achievements!
As you upgrade your maximum speed you can change the speed at will;
higher speed makes it faster to get points, but harder to steer.
Still, can be useful sometimes!
https://www.kongregate.com/games/thepodge/dibbles-4-a-christmas-crisis
for the second game! A lemmings-like puzzle-game series, and this is
the fourth in the series, christmas themed. A bit weird to send
creatures to their death along a haunting christmas tune, but still
a fun game!
Kongregate
Dibbles 4: A Christmas Crisis
The Dibbles return once again, but this time our
King is on a new Christmas themed mission. Command the Dibbles and
help their king safely cross 33 Xmas themed...
https://www.kongregate.com/games/taccommandeur/hat-wizard-christmas
for the last game, more christmas-themed Platformer, make your
way through levels, collect gifts, and use your magic hat to switch
with enemies (or snowmen) to complete puzzles and avoid getting
shot!
Kongregate
Hat Wizard Christmas
Santa put Faust#39s goons on the naughty list,
but then they stole all the presents from his storage.
Now you have to use your hat to get back the
presents and s...
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Blizzard gaming:
Heroes of the Storm:
New event started! A new iteration of last year's toy event, another
run over a gameboard with quests to finish along the way; random
quests for every roll of the dice and longer specific quests for
each domino you reach. Still on the first longer quest for 50
takedowns, but I'll get there :slight_smile: Many rewards to get!
No new levels reached, still at 380.
Hearthstone:
Well, I already mentioned the brawl and the fun I had there with
Fladrif. But also, I completed my quest to hit max level with all 9
classes, ending with the warlock and the priest!
All the basic cards are golden now, and I suppose the next goal is
to get them to 500 wins and beyond. Still considering updating my
decks for more wins, since even at rank 20 I still lose a lot, but
they all have some winning potential, so it might not be necessary.
For my quests I am focusing now on the heroes with the least wins,
though with most of the new quests not actually requiring winning, I
can still complete them without getting too frustrated with losing
streaks.
With the level grind done, I also intend to shift some focus to the
single player adventures, and I have more than enough dust to craft
any cards from sets I don't buy packs from anymore if I need them.
So all I need to get a start on that is.. well, time!
WoW:
No more raiding, giving me some time to catch up on a few other
things.
This includes fighting more green dragons; I finally got the staff I
wanted, Rampant Growth, which looks really nice for a druid. Now all
I need is 2 less important items from 2 specific green dragons,
which means I can skip the other two whenever they're up.
With Winter Veil starting, I also took up another daily task of
completing the Greench daily every day with my main, to get a Lost
Present reward. Only thing I want from that is the Flames of
Ragnaros illusion, with a very low chance, but since it doesn't take
too much time and is now the only source other than the black market
auction house, it's worth doing.
Weekly quest is arena skirmishes. Usually takes some time, but I
found out that rather than dpsing in feral spec, guardian tanking
spec is actually really good in arena.
The tempo is more my style, and the optimal spec for it is really
close to my usual bear spec as well, so on top of it being better in
itself, I'm also better at it :slight_smile:
Got wins at a lot faster rate than usual, sometimes soloing two
enemies after my teammate was already dead. Pretty sure I won more
than I lost, which is exceptional for me, and completed the quest
for 10 wins on the first night of the reset, which is practically
unique :wink:
But the biggest thing.. I bought the Cat Pack!
Part of the Winter Veil discount shop offers is a single pack
including 3 cat mounts and 4 cat pets from previous years.
Video found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig8d-ZdrpSU
YouTube
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft Cat Pack
Many precious sabers and kittens, some flying, some with other
special abilities, for up to 65% discount. Since I had none of them
so far - despite really liking some of them, mostly the pets - I
decided to go for it, and got the full discount with all 7 cats. 40
euros for the lot, which would normally only buy the 4 pets alone,
let alone the more expensive mounts.
The Cinder Kitten goes especially well with my Druid of the Flame
catform toy :slight_smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hqhIxYo1K8
actually has more views (is the EU version) if you want more
comments, though most are complaints about cosmetic consumerism and
throwing discounts in our face :wink:
YouTube
World of Warcraft
World of Warcraft Cat Pack (EU)
But the way I figure it, it's not much different from buying a
digital deluxe or retail collectors' edition for the free goodies,
and there won't be a better time to get these kitties if you want
them.
And if you want, you could even use in-game gold to buy tokens,
convert it to balance and buy the stuff with that. Sometimes cheaper
in gold than actual in-game mounts!
Oh, one more thing for Hearthstone: Went through about 20
Uldum packs to find a specific rare card for that warlock deck I
mentioned for the brawl. Never did find that rare, and ended up
crafting it, but I did end up with 2 legendary quest cards, which is
pretty low odds for something of that quality!
So yay :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 7:50 PM
Grats : )
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:50 PM
Hmm, my last message is red. Does that mean it didn't go through?
"And that's my report for the week!"
Thanks :slight_smile:
VardaLast Sunday at 7:51 PM
Before my yay it was "So yay :)"
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:51 PM
Yeah, strange, that one message didn't connect then.
VardaLast Sunday at 7:51 PM
er my grats
pushes internet
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 7:51 PM
At least it displays it as such.
VardaLast Sunday at 7:51 PM
At least it used red, aye
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 8:01 PM
Ooh, just noticed the republishing of the second WoW class manga
(mage) is coming soonish, as well as the third part of the Traveler
trilogy.
Will pre-order them tomorrow, as well as a spare keyboard I'm after
:wink:
Ar-Pharazon-VLast Sunday at 8:43 PM
Namarie!
VardaLast Sunday at 8:43 PM
Namarie
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