Valar Guild

April 21, 2019 Sunday Meeting

5:00 P.M. Eastern time (-5 GMT)
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by Varda.

Attending (and spoke): (5)
    Discord: Arien (presided over business), Ar-Pharazon, Falco, Menelvagor (presided over Tolkien), Varda (After-meeting)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web
Gaming:
    General reports.
Tolkien:
    Topic: Oddly, at the height of their power the Numenoreans far surpassed all other races residing in Middle Earth at that time.
After-meeting:
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon.
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Before-meeting
(times are in Central from Varda's Discord, so add one hour for Eastern. Example: 4pm Central in the transcript is 5pm Eastern)

Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:34 PM
Aiya!
ArienVToday at 4:35 PM
woops aiya
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:36 PM
Bit late, but here!
ArienVToday at 4:36 PM
welcome welcome :smiley:
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Elen sila lumenn omentielvo
A star shines upon the hour of our meeting
lets get through the business part fairly quick so we can get a bit to Tolkien
Membership:
We are here :smiley:
Varda is at Easter family duties  and i am guessing Eolnwe as well or at work
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:41 PM
Fladrif is.. not online, but was last online 2 days ago so there's that.
I don't really do Easter so I'm here :wink:
ArienVToday at 4:41 PM
yes i noticed him on battlenet :smiley:
else i have seen Helm on and off on wow , i have seen Elrond and Celebrian on Eve online on Monday and Tuesday
and Dis and Varda in Lotro :smiley:
FalcoToday at 4:47 PM
Aiya!
ArienVToday at 4:47 PM
and Phari , of course on WoW and aiya Falco :smiley:
we actually just started since Phari was busy otherwise
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:47 PM
Aiya!
ArienVToday at 4:47 PM
so we are still at membership news
do you have an update to your situation in Lotro?
oh i also saw Nar on Landy this week :smiley:
FalcoToday at 4:50 PM
No updates yet.  I have talked to the user who bought my account from a Russian Hacker and sent that info along to Support.   Support so far is the worse I have ever dealt with.   They don’t respond at all and the only way to get updates is via support site or email which they don’t  respond to.
ArienVToday at 4:54 PM
That is really not acceptable at all
isnt there a way we could respond to them in some way to make a move or appology towards you and a reimbursement of subscription fees ?
FalcoToday at 4:55 PM
I’m a life time member so there is no cost associated to my account.
ArienVToday at 4:57 PM
hmm .. can you cancel a lifetime membership?
just out of interest
FalcoToday at 4:57 PM
You can by mail
Snail mail!  Lol
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 4:57 PM
Seems drastic, though.
I mean, maybe drastic measures are needed, but if there's the chance of getting your account back...
ArienVToday at 4:58 PM
it does and in the end it is the player that would  get punished instead of the company
FalcoToday at 4:59 PM
True.   Basically I have the account back thanks to the user who bought it.   But haven’t been able to get it unlocked and returned to previous state due to support not responding.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:00 PM
How did the buyer find you, anyway?
FalcoToday at 5:00 PM
The screen shot the reseller sent him had my information listed
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:00 PM
..useful
ArienVToday at 5:02 PM
hmmm . i wonder how i would solve that .. i think either ask standing stone games to make your FTP account lifetime at no cost for you in replacement
or ask the buyer to hand you your account back
FalcoToday at 5:02 PM
The buyer did give me it back buys it’s blocked
ArienVToday at 5:02 PM
but you still would have the hassle with ssg to meke it active again
FalcoToday at 5:02 PM
Yep
ArienVToday at 5:03 PM
Ah right .. have you tjurned to the manage directly yet?
or tried phoning them?
FalcoToday at 5:04 PM
No phone number
Logging in isn’t possible
ArienVToday at 5:04 PM
do you want me to try and find out?
FalcoToday at 5:05 PM
I would welcome any help
ArienVToday at 5:07 PM
i ll try okay but lets carry on with the business meeting :smiley:
FalcoToday at 5:07 PM
:smiley:
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Web:
ArienVToday at 5:08 PM
there is no webnews , as i have no information from Varda about any new articles or stories. But as alwys , I am sure  additions are welcome :smiley:
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Gaming:
so Gaming news:
anything else played besides LotrO or Blizzard?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:11 PM
Hmm... just browser games and the Game of Thrones thing :wink:
Technically also a browser game, but can be played in an app.
MenelvagorToday at 5:16 PM
Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:17 PM
Aiya!
MenelvagorToday at 5:17 PM
Arien is holding Varda's gavel I see. :smiley:
ArienVToday at 5:26 PM
Aiya Menel :smiley:
just about to start tolkien in facrt
but say do you have any membership news for us to share :)?
ArienVToday at 5:35 PM
right anyways lets go to gaming news
MenelvagorToday at 5:36 PM
Sorry, got distracted. I do not have any membership news in fact.
ArienVToday at 5:36 PM
thats cool i am a bit distracted as well .. but we ll get there
MenelvagorToday at 5:36 PM
I do have an idea for a topic for discussion time :smile:
ArienVToday at 5:37 PM
that s great :smile:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:37 PM
Always welcome :smiley:

ArienVToday at 5:37 PM
World of Warcraft
See part of what's required for flying in the blog Unlocking Flying in Battle for Azeroth: Part 1.
See the recent hotfixes.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22933417/hotfixes-april-18-2019
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: April 18, 2019 - WoW
​    Here you'll find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft: Battle For Azeroth.
and the link for the blog
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22933716/unlocking-flying-in-battle-for-azeroth-part-1
    World of Warcraft
    Unlocking Flying in Battle for Azeroth: Part 1 - WoW
    The skies of Kul Tiras and Zandalar can be decidedly unfriendly to the uninitiated. To help you on the first part of your journey, we’ve put together a brief guide.
if you havent managed to get through this , it might be helpul :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:39 PM
I haven't, but I know all I need to do is that war campaign, when I'm a bit less tired again :wink:
ArienVToday at 5:39 PM
Noblegarden is running from today until Monday next week at 10.00 am GMT
so thats ... err plus five hours US Time
so .. 5 am?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:40 PM
That's in 9 hours and 20 minutes from now :wink:
ArienVToday at 5:40 PM
cool :smiley:
also Wow
This week's Bonus Event: Arena Skirmishes.
The PvP Brawl: Arathi Blizzard begins today and runs through Tuesday, April 23rd.
The Crucible of Storms raid is now available on Normal and Heroic difficulty.
Looking for Fools .. err pardon me, the raidfinder i mean , will be available next patch or next week , Cala? do you know?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:43 PM
Not next patch.. should be next week, together with mythic mode.
ArienVToday at 5:44 PM
ah thats good to know

Heroes of the Storm
A new balance patch is out this week.
https://heroesofthestorm.com/en-us/blog/22933137/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-patch-notes-april-17-2019-4-17/
    Heroes of the Storm
    Legendary heroes and villains from Warcraft, StarCraft and Diablo are summoned to the Nexus. Choose your hero and prepare to fight in Heroes of the Storm!

that is all of the business part as far as I am aware :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:45 PM
Well, for WoW
I'll mention that the PTR for patch 8.2 has gone up, with lots of datamining, including enough models of a "new" race which might become an allied race to be added to the dressing room on the wowhead site...
In case it does make it as an allied race, I already took the liberty of creating my future planned arcane mage of the race :wink: Will link it for those curious at the end of the meeting, for those who want to know.
ArienVToday at 5:50 PM
ah yes there is a bit discussion going on for that datamining thisgs
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:50 PM
There's also lots of other interesting goodies from the ptr, btw, and I'm looking forward to the patch.
Mechagon looks amazing.
ArienVToday at 5:50 PM
sounds quite interesting :), thanks phari

Lord of the Rings Online:
(Inserting players in the kin from last week):
Landroval server RP-encouraged:
Arien
Celebrian
Falco
Fangorn
Mirabella
Nar
Varda

Ithil legendary server:
Arien
Dis
Fainan

Anor legendary server:
Arien
Fangorn
Varda
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Tolkien:
then we can go on to Tolkien
and i have the rare honor to say
Menelvagor , the floor is yours :smiley:
MenelvagorToday at 5:55 PM
Ah. :smiley:
Well, I have almost finished reading the Silmarillion once again...
And there was one thing that I noticed that was a bit odd.
And that is that at the height of their power the Numenoreans far surpassed all other races residing in Middle Earth at that time.
Including the remnants of the Noldor, both those led by Elrond half Elven, Gil Galad and Celebrimbor, son of Curufin, greatest in skill save for Feänor himself.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 5:59 PM
Sounds about right!
I see nothing wrong with this situation.
MenelvagorToday at 6:00 PM
So great was their power in fact that Sauron, a Maia of immense strength, second only to Morgoth Bauglir, humbled himself before them.
My point is this; it seems that the race of Men might have recieved a greater boon from the Valar than was ever bestowed upon the Eldar.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:01 PM
Well, at that point they had a closer contact with Tol Eressea and hence Valinor than the Noldor back in Middle-earth had. They also didn't have to contend with Sauron in that time, or go in hiding because of him.
To be honest, what remained of the Noldor at that point was a shadow of their glory in Valinor.
MenelvagorToday at 6:03 PM
Well yes, but what they had before the War of Wrath was still way beyond mortal men.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:03 PM
Also, they're men. Men cycle through generations faster, and have been granted a greater freedom to decide their own fate than elves ever did. It might lead to a greater technology and prosperity.
MenelvagorToday at 6:04 PM
I doubt that was the case. Look at the third age. Men of Gondor had about 3.000 years (if I recall correctly) to invent new technology...
And they essentially still used the same tech that was brought with them from the ruin of Numenor.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:04 PM
Hmm, true. But the elves didn't do a lot in that time either :wink:
MenelvagorToday at 6:05 PM
They did not.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:05 PM
I'd chalk it up to being in closer contact with the Elves in the west then, during those first 3000 years.
Or maybe Numenor itself was calmer and better suited to prosperity.
MenelvagorToday at 6:05 PM
The first signs of industrialization are actually exhibited by Saruman :stuck_out_tongue:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:06 PM
Heh, yes, and it wasn't welcomed :wink:
MenelvagorToday at 6:06 PM
Or maybe we should not discount the fact that they were 1) Edain. 2) Descended from Olwë Singollo. 3) Turgon. 4) Melian the Maia.
Or at least the line of Kings were.
Also, it was more than 3.000 years.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:07 PM
How would that set them apart from, say, Elrond?
MenelvagorToday at 6:07 PM
Because Eärendil himself would have chosen mortal men if not for Elwing his wife.
Plus, the Elves never did multiply like mortal men did.
Mortality makes you breed more... :stuck_out_tongue:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:08 PM
That's part of what I meant with cycling through generations faster, yes, but in a different direction I guess :wink:
MenelvagorToday at 6:09 PM
Also, they had more than 3.000 years on Numenor.
Elros Tar-Minyatur lived for just about, if not just over, 500 years.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:10 PM
Long was his reign.
MenelvagorToday at 6:10 PM
And good old Arphie was the 23rd and still lived about 300 or so.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:10 PM
ponders thought it was 200-something...
not counting the years in this cave
MenelvagorToday at 6:11 PM
Wasn't Aragorn 200 something?
Of course we're not counting cave time... otherwise you might need to add a couple thousand and counting :stuck_out_tongue:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:12 PM
Right. 201 for Pharazon...
I think Aragorn might have outlived me.
Well that's disappointing.
Yep, 210 years for Aragorn.
ArienVToday at 6:13 PM
not disappointing dear :smiley: logical because Aragorns grandness was different to that of your name giver :smiley:
and he was closer to the Valar
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:14 PM
Surely not in a physical sense :wink:
MenelvagorToday at 6:14 PM
Plus he had the love of his great-great-great x a lot auntie to hold on to for a while longer :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:15 PM
Then again, Pharazon was old, but didn't die from old age. If he hadn't attacked Valinor he might've lived for another decade or two? :wink:
MenelvagorToday at 6:15 PM
Maybe.
But in the akkalabeth it is said that Pharzie did feel his end coming.
So while it might be true that he could have clung onto his life like some of his parentage had done... it is by no means sure.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:16 PM
We'll never know, I guess.
But yeah, that did help him make his decision.
MenelvagorToday at 6:16 PM
The only question that remains is what side he will fight on in the Dagor Dagorlad.
ArienVToday at 6:17 PM
Aragorn?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:17 PM
Well, I have grown to like you Valar people over the years. So odds are...
ArienVToday at 6:17 PM
on our side :)?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:18 PM
I'd like to think so!
ArienVToday at 6:18 PM
or 50/50?
MenelvagorToday at 6:18 PM
Aragorn is no longer in this world.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:18 PM
After all, men decide their own fate... no reason we can't switch sides after enough time of reflection and reasoning.
MenelvagorToday at 6:18 PM
Of mortal men only 1 was counted among the Eldar.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:18 PM
Tuor, was it?
MenelvagorToday at 6:18 PM
Aye.
And as far as I am aware, that was because of his son, his father, as well as his love and the love of Idril Celebrindal.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:20 PM
I'm seeing a pattern emerge here.
If you want a life extension, fall in love with an elf.
MenelvagorToday at 6:21 PM
haha :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:21 PM
Worked for Beren too, for a time.
MenelvagorToday at 6:21 PM
Well... that turned out disastrous for the elf in question though.
Or rather, it seemed that way to her kin.
After all, death was a gift by Iluvatar.
Where Beren and Luthien are, none can tell.
Perhaps they're sitting at Iluvatar's feet, but who knows?
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:23 PM
Interesting thought that the elves generally envied men, in a way, for the freedom to leave the world.. and yet are sad because one of their own joined their fate. I suppose the idea of always being able to be reunited with your kin at some point except one, can be rather harsh.
Perhaps the elves were not so sure about the mortal afterlife either.
MenelvagorToday at 6:24 PM
Aye.
They were not.
It is clear by Elrond's fear for Arwen that they do not understand it.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:27 PM
That, too, was partially because of the consequential separation between them.
MenelvagorToday at 6:27 PM
Well, don't forget that Elrond knew perfectly well what happened to Luthien.
He feared her mortal death, not to await her return from Mandos.
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:28 PM
Yes, that's the separation I meant.
Not seeing each other again after Mandos.
ArienVToday at 6:30 PM
Interesting discussion and always inspiring to see you two at it :smiley: a rare pleasure indeed
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:30 PM
Feel free to join in :smile:
ArienVToday at 6:30 PM
but even with the late start time is over now
MenelvagorToday at 6:30 PM
Well, had a blast :smiley:
ArienVToday at 6:30 PM
shall swe call it and you can carry on in Aftermeeting ?
MenelvagorToday at 6:31 PM
Pretty much time for bed for all of us I reckon. :stuck_out_tongue:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:31 PM
hehe
ArienVToday at 6:31 PM
indeed hehe
Phari will game through the night tho i gues :P)
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:31 PM
Not through the night, but I will give my report in a bit...
ArienVToday at 6:32 PM
oki dok cool :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:32 PM
But also getting the link ready before you say goodnight :wink:
ArienVToday at 6:32 PM
all right :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:34 PM
The race mentioned are the mechagnomes, and in case they join us as the next allied race for alliance...
behold my upcoming arcane mage, Calectronica!
https://www.wowhead.com/dressing-room#RBzR0zJ89mMcc0zz9M87MRBI87cRBu87VRT5808RBN808Rny808RBG808RjD808C0p87ct
    Wowhead
    Dressing Room - World of Warcraft
    Try out armor sets on any World of Warcraft character. Test different transmog and plan your wardrobe.
Right, feel free to go aftermeeting :wink:
ArienVToday at 6:37 PM
nice :smile: and mechagnomes as allied race .. intrriguing thought ^^
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:38 PM
Theorized by people for a while now, alongside either vulpera or gilgoblins for the horde, and they will become quite important in upcoming content...
ArienVToday at 6:38 PM
all right .. turns to Yavanne and takes a gavel shaped branch to bank it on the floor but just as i do so the branch turns into a bunny rabbit and hops away
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Aftermeeting!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:39 PM
Ahh, evolution in progress.
ArienVToday at 6:39 PM
like a pogo stick
boing boing boing
well it is getting time to head to bed for me , friends :smiley:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 6:45 PM
Namarie!
ArienVToday at 6:45 PM
Pleasure to see you both and  I hope , Menel , you give us the honor again some times :smiley:
Namarie !

Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:15 PM
Personal gaming report!
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Starting with 3 flashgames.
http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/nano_war is the first game! A shooting game where you move around the edge of a circle, which is filled with enemies shooting projectiles around. Move around the circle to shoot them and dodge their shots. Levels get harder as you go, but you can also get powerups from them which carry over.
    Nano War - OneMoreLevel.com
Not sure how far you can go, but I do know there's at least one bossfight in them :wink:

Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:42 PM
http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/swingshot is the second game! Another shooting game, this time  you fire a turret that's swinging back and forth, while waves of zombies come for you. Get coins for killing zombies, use it to upgrade your firepower, firerate, and the slowing down weapon. Good luck!
    SwingShot - OneMoreLevel.com

https://www.kongregate.com/games/TadasGloom/life-in-the-static for the last game! A platformer where you can stop time to make it across levels, and avoid static fields as well as moving enemies. Originally meant to symbolize memory less diseases like alzheimer, but as a simplified game it didn't translate as well as the creator hoped. Still, it's a fun game, if not too difficult, though some tricky timing is necessary in places.
    Kongregate
    Life in the Static
    Life in the Static is a simple atmospheric platforming game where you have an ability to stop time. There are no cows in this game unfortunately.
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Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 7:57 PM
Blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:06 PM
Heroes of the Storm:
From level 340 to 342! Got D.Va to level 3, and ended up fighting as Xul the necromancer for the first time in one of the brawls. It was a long fight though, and he went to level 2 just from one match.
Luckily the other 2 matches were with more familiar heroes :wink:
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:15 PM
Hearthstone:
Bit more xp-getting, as well as the easter / noblegarden event. Brawl was choosing a class, and then getting a random deck with various eggs in it, which would explode or do other things. Quite funny!
WoW:
Other than the gnome modelling I presented earlier, I mostly occupied myself with older content from this expansion :wink:
Mekkatorque on heroic is still not down yet, but we did poke Crucible of Storms on normal difficulty for a bit. First bossfight down, second giving us some trouble. Still, they're quite interesting fights, using mechanics we've never seen before.
No new pets from the Pandaria raids for me this week, though the friend I go there with did get one. But I only need 3 more, so it's not surprising there'll be empty weeks here and there.
But I did get 3 new pets from expeditions! An octopode fry, a small deer called Littlehoo,f, and a mechanical gorilla pet.
*Littlehoof
Weekly was arena skirmishes, which went pretty well, got all 10 wins as well as the weekly frozen arathi basin brawl win over 2 evenings with not that many losses.
Other than that, just more world quests. Over 300 pet charms now on my way to 500 for the next pet, and quite a few service medals as well, almost up to 100 again. So no new things from those, but progressing to them!
And I think that's my gaming report for the week!
VardaToday at 8:34 PM
Thank you, Phar. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VToday at 8:41 PM
namarie!
VardaToday at 8:41 PM
Namarie!
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