Valar Guild

September 23, 2018 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC/GMT - 5)
Discord: Valar Guild/meeting_place

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Transcript work by
Varda.

Attending (and spoke): (7)
    Discord: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Elladan, Elrond, Eonwe, Pallando, Varda (presiding)

Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership news:
Web:  
    Community / Forum:
        The riddle game has started again on the Forum, during today's meeting. News given during After-meeting.
Gaming:
    Games Site Mass Update ongoing.
    General gaming reports.
Tolkien:
    Topic: Bilbo and Frodo's birthday, moving on to the One Ring and Mt. Doom.
After-meeting:
    Shadows of War review by Pallando
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon
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Before-meeting
(times are in Central from Varda's Discord, so add one hour for Eastern)

VardaYesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:00 PM
Aiya!
VardaYesterday at 4:00 PM
Meeting time, folks.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:01 PM
Arien poked.
VardaYesterday at 4:01 PM
Thanks
ArienVYesterday at 4:01 PM
evening
VardaYesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya Arien : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:02 PM
Aiya!
VardaYesterday at 4:03 PM
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Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Membership:
Good to see you folks. : )
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Web:
Nothing new on the Tolkien Site.
ArienVYesterday at 4:06 PM
Aiya :smiley:
VardaYesterday at 4:07 PM
For the Games Site, the mass update is ongoing. Please send Eonwe an email or Discord tell to Eonwe. A cc to Varda is nice too. Thanks to all who have already done it. : )
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Gaming:
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:07 PM
Aiya
VardaYesterday at 4:07 PM
Feel free to pop in with general updates whilst this is going. : )
Aiya Pallando  : )
Good to see the Blue Wizard. : )

World of WarCraft:
Now available, Uldir in LFR Wing 1 and Mythic difficulty. See the announcements here.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:08 PM
Aiya Pallando!
VardaYesterday at 4:08 PM
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22483122/uldir-mythic-and-raid-finder-wing-1-available
    World of Warcraft
    Uldir Mythic and Raid Finder Wing 1 Available! - WoW
    Uldir Mythic difficulty and Raid Finder Wing 1: The Halls of Containment are now available! Read on to learn more.
Brewfest is going now through October 6th.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22483129/bring-out-the-wolpertingers-brewfest-is-here
    World of Warcraft
    Bring Out the Wolpertingers! Brewfest is Here - WoW
    Do you love eating delicious faire food, drinking bountiful beverages, and riding rams around barrels of apples? Brewfest has arrived and you can do all that and more from September 20–October 6.
Other events this past week:
The Harvest Festival runs through September 25th.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22483126/in-remembrance-the-harvest-festival-has-begun
    World of Warcraft
    In Remembrance: The Harvest Festival Has Begun - WoW
    The yearly Harvest Festival is now underway in Azeroth. Fallen heroes of the Alliance and Horde are paid homage during this time of remembrance.
Talk Like a Pirate Day was September 19th.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22514561/celebrate-international-talk-like-a-pirate-day-in-style
    World of Warcraft
    Celebrate International Talk Like A Pirate Day in Style! - WoW
    Just in time for International Talk Like a Pirate Day–we’re celebrating all things pirate with an epic new mount!
(This was also going in Lord of the Rings Online, mateys.)
Check out the developer live stream.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:10 PM
Yarr.
VardaYesterday at 4:10 PM
^^
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22483124/watch-the-developer-live-stream-vod
    World of Warcraft
    Watch the Developer Live Stream VoD - WoW
    If you missed the developer live stream, don’t worry – we have you covered.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:10 PM
That's every day in Eve. :wink:
VardaYesterday at 4:11 PM
haha
And we have Corsairs in LotRO every day. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:11 PM
Talk like a pirate day also came with a new offer, buy 180 days gametime and get a pirate ship mount :smiley:
VardaYesterday at 4:11 PM
This week's bonus event: Pet Battles.
Check out the hotfixes for this week.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21973195/hotfixes-september-21-2018
    World of Warcraft
    Hotfixes: September 21, 2018 - WoW
    Here you'll find a list of hotfixes that address various issues related to World of Warcraft:Battle For Azeroth.

Diablo 3:
Season 15 is live.
Aiya Eonwe  : )
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 4:12 PM
Heya all.
ArienVYesterday at 4:12 PM
Aiya Eonwe :smiley:
VardaYesterday at 4:12 PM

Heroes of the Storm:
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 4:12 PM
Guess I left the LFT/mythic announcement from last week in this week's news.
VardaYesterday at 4:12 PM
A patch came out this week.
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 4:12 PM
*LFR
VardaYesterday at 4:12 PM
oopsie

Hearthstone:
Some new blogs:
Hearthstone: In the Works - September 18
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:13 PM
Aiya  Eonwe!
ArienVYesterday at 4:13 PM
((did talk like a pirate day on EpicRockRadio chat too .. it spilled all over :smiley: ))
VardaYesterday at 4:13 PM
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/22483774/hearthstone-in-the-works-september-18
    Hearthstone: In the Works - September 18
    Welcome to Hearthstone’s first In the Works update. Here we’re giving you a brief look at what’s coming in the next few months for Hearthstone—game updates and events, esports, and more!
It's evvvverywherrrrre.
Bask in the Days of the Frozen Throne Now
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/22483775/bask-in-the-days-of-the-frozen-throne-now
    Bask in the Days of the Frozen Throne Now
    As foretold, I, the Lich King, have brought you Days of the Frozen Throne!
Developer Insights: Days of the Frozen Throne with the Live Content Team
https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/blog/22502118/developer-insights-days-of-the-frozen-throne-with-the-live-content-team
    Developer Insights: Days of the Frozen Throne with the Live Conten...
    Enjoyed Knights of the Frozen Throne last year? Then find out how Days of the Frozen Throne came to be!

LotRO news is at:
LotRO Beacon Issue # 78.
https://www.lotro.com/en/game/articles/lotro-beacon-issue-78
    The Lord of the Rings Online
    The LOTRO Beacon: Issue 78
The biggest event however was yesterday as it is all over Tolkien fandom:
Sept 22, the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:17 PM
Happy birthday!
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 4:17 PM
Gaming News fixed.
VardaYesterday at 4:17 PM
Thanks Eonwe : )
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?667103-New-Bilbo-Birthday-quest-at-Strongholds-of-the-North-area
    New Bilbo Birthday quest at Strongholds of the North area
    For people with interest in festivals and events, there are a new quest for Bilbo Birthday event active right now, you need to speak with an NPC called "Thoughts of Bilbo" in the path from Loeglond to Laketon, at 13.4N, 29.4W for the quest "A Forgotten Birthday".
And we had a new quest in LotRO for that event, along with all the regular ones for it.
It can be done by careful lowbies as well as 115's.

Any other general news for our games? Eve, StarCraft 2, others?
I think they all had some version of Talk Like a Pirate day. : )
The birthday party is ongoing in LotRO for those that were concerned that they missed it all.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:19 PM
I have  a bunch of fleet actionc oming up these next few weeks.
VardaYesterday at 4:20 PM
Fellow guildmates showing up in the kin in LotRO were:
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:20 PM
@Elrond should ping me about one, he might be interestred to pass intel along. :p
VardaYesterday at 4:20 PM
Arien
Beleg
Bregalad
Dis
Eonwe
Falco
Mirabella
Nar
Nimrodel
Thranduil
Varda
Pardon, go ahead Pallando!
heh
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:20 PM

EVE announced some big changes for the October patch
ECM getting nerfed, turning it from, um.. blind? to taunt?
lurch hictors getting nerfed/removed (I have no way to explain that easily, it's a very odd specifically-eve mechanics Thing that they're removing)(edited)
combat ceptors (claw, taranis, crusader, and raptor) are losing interdiction nullficiation
And the Damavik is losing a low to get a mid so it's a 3-mid boat and might not be completely useless.
FAX/more general cap balance pass is coming "soon(tm)"
https://www.eveonline.com/article/pf7gpi/october-balance-pass
    EVE Online
    October Balance Pass | EVE Online
    Check out this blog from the EVE Dev Team about upcoming balanc work, including changes to ECM, nullification and a little bit of work on the Triglavian ship lineup!
That's it for general Eve stuff. On a more personal note, @Elrond should really talk to me about the juicy intel I have. :wink:
VardaYesterday at 4:27 PM
Hear that, Elrond? : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:28 PM
Next week I ought to have a nice exciting battle report.
That's it for me.
VardaYesterday at 4:28 PM
Thank you, that's a lot of good stuff.
Anyone else?
ElrondYesterday at 4:29 PM
Aiya, and we won the war.
VardaYesterday at 4:29 PM
There's Elrond. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:29 PM
Aiya!

Oh, for WoW
Next major update (I think it's 8.1?) announced. 2 new raids, storyline advancement, new customizations and the first few heritage armors for the original races, and a lot of other stuff.
The two new allied races should also be available in the aftermath of the raid.
Datamining has already begun, there's some interesting stuff there...
But no spoilers necessary :smiley:
Let me find a link.
For those curious.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=287254 should do it
    Wowhead
    What's Coming in Tides of Vengeance - New Battle for Azeroth Conte...
Ion Hazzikostas has announced Tides of Vengeance, the next content patch for Battle for Azeroth. This Content Patch includes Dwarf and Blood Elf Heritage Armor, the Darkshore Warfront, the Siege of Zuldazar raid, the Crucible of Storms raid, many system improvements and more!
Tides of Vengeance is coming!
And that's it for general news from me
VardaYesterday at 4:36 PM
Thank you Phar and Pallando : )
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Tolkien!
September 22 was the double birthday of Bilbo and Frodo. : )
Frodo was fairly quiet about anything about himself, one thing making him a good Ringbearer, so it was easy to overlook his being part of the big event.
He had a tendency to stay under the radar, such as almost disappearing to the Shire inhabitants after his stint as Mayor.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:39 PM
old habits die hard?
VardaYesterday at 4:39 PM
But as a youngster, he was right in there with the rest of the crazy Brandybucks.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:39 PM
or in Bilbo's case, old hobbits die hard...
VardaYesterday at 4:39 PM
Survival habit, maybe?
There's that too : )
Bilbo just took a boat instead. : )
So when Frodo was younger, he ran around with Merry and Pippin, rather adventurous. Of course Bilbo would find that interesting.
There was a lot about Frodo that went under the radar. Gandalf and Bilbo considered him one of or the best hobbit - especially for being the new Ringbearer. Any thoughts on that?
He was a Fallohide type of hobbit, nearest to the likes of the elves.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:44 PM
'twas an interesting choice, since he ultimately lacked the will to get rid of the Ring himself; but the quality he showed earlier in sparing Gollum turned out to be enough compensation for that.
VardaYesterday at 4:45 PM
No Ringbearer was able to just destroy the Ring. Didn't matter who they picked concerning that. That was one reason they needed a Fellowship.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:45 PM
Good point.
VardaYesterday at 4:45 PM
The trick was to get the Ring there without being taken over before Mt. Doom. Boromir would've made it less than five feet, for instance.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:46 PM
So if all 9 of them had gotten there, would they have been able to persuade Frodo to drop the Ring?
VardaYesterday at 4:47 PM
Persuasion might have needed to be physical?
Could that group have even made it to Mt. Orodruin?
The hobbits were great with stealth. What would the others have had to do to pass through Mordor with Frodo?
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:49 PM
larger orc suits :smiley:
VardaYesterday at 4:49 PM
That would be my guess too. : )
They might have been able to help more with food and water?
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:50 PM
But they'd need more food and water, too.
At least Boromir or Aragorn would've been better at carrying Frodo than Sam.
VardaYesterday at 4:50 PM
True. But they might have been able to collect it better?
And they could have taken turns carrying when needed. Beats trying to carry that Ring directly.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:51 PM
Yep.
VardaYesterday at 4:51 PM
Even if Bilbo had been in good enough condition, he was too far gone with the Ring.
But the chain of hobbits saved the world by holding the Ring.
Bilbo had to be there to gift it to Frodo for  a non-evil way of obtaining it. Not murder or theft.
Straight inheritance.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:56 PM
I can't help but wonder if privately Elrond and Gandalf were going "So once it's at Orodruin, you're just going to Maiar it into the pit, right Gandalf?".
VardaYesterday at 4:56 PM
May-be. : )
He might have had to push the other members to do it, more like his Istar job.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:56 PM
Well, Gandalf could scare Bilbo into submission, so why not Frodo when it came to it? :wink:
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:56 PM
Like, privately, the assumption was that Gandalf and Sauron would have it out, First-Age style, eventually.
VardaYesterday at 4:57 PM
Gandalf's power and part of his memory were removed so that he wouldn't toe to toe with Sauron. That was so the Free People had to step up.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 4:57 PM
I wonder if Gandalf would've had a harder time getting into Mordor for giving off some Maiar-vibe, even while still in his Grey mode.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:57 PM
Our friend Olorin has already demonstrated by this point that he's willing to play fast and loose with the restrictions placed on him by the Valar, right?
Sure, but he also has the ring of ...fire?
VardaYesterday at 4:58 PM
After becoming Gandalf the White, he was given more latitude, because he was the only one of the Istari still operating.
That is interesting. With the Ring of Fire, he might have been able to give the party more resistance to the heat. He didn't generally use it as a weapon. A lot of the use of fire was inspiration.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 4:59 PM
I don't know that it would have been a good idea.
But the entire Fellowship wasn't exactly a good idea, it was just the only idea.(edited)
VardaYesterday at 4:59 PM
He may have been using it to soak up the fire from the Balrog of Moria.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:00 PM
Or the least bad idea, at least.
VardaYesterday at 5:00 PM
They also didn't expect the whole Fellowship to go the whole way. Frodo was the only one that had to.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:01 PM
At least they got that one right.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:01 PM
Maybe even Olorin was expecting to be a distraction (which, he was, at the Black Gate).
Just might have expected it to happen differently.
VardaYesterday at 5:01 PM
Gandalf was quite relieved that Sam went with Frodo.
Aye.
Aragorn and Boromir were expected to go to Minas Tirith.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:02 PM
...technically that did happen.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:03 PM
Well, one of them did.
VardaYesterday at 5:03 PM
Legolas and Gimli were not expected to pass the mountains. Although Legolas was considering going to Minas Tirith with Aragorn to Minas Tirith.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:03 PM
Didn't Boromir make it to Minas Tirith.. yknow, sorta?
ArienVYesterday at 5:04 PM
the horn did
VardaYesterday at 5:04 PM
Well, to Rauros Falls at least. : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:04 PM
Oh, right.
Horn, no son.
VardaYesterday at 5:04 PM
In two halves. A clue that all was not well.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:04 PM
Nevermind,t hen.
VardaYesterday at 5:04 PM
I would go with sort of. : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:04 PM
Faramir found him, though. But let him sail on, apparently.
But took his horn for proof?
VardaYesterday at 5:05 PM
Faramir had a vision of Boromir.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:06 PM
anyways, Gandalf was sent to combat Sauron, so perhaps he expected to get to Mordor or so, fight Sauron, distracting him, lose the fight, but win the war while Frodo takes the ring in.
VardaYesterday at 5:06 PM
Good point. He could have been a fantastic distraction. And great against Nazgul.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:06 PM
He knew he wouldn't win the fight, but that doesn't matter if the party achieves the objective. I mean, that's what he and Aragorn ended up doing anyways, more or less.
VardaYesterday at 5:07 PM
Gandalf did seem to originally intend to go with Frodo.
Just tank the baddies while Frodo and the others run in to dispose of the Ring. Yank it off Frodo's finger with pliers maybe. : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:07 PM
They all knew they'd die if they or Frodo lost, but considered losing that fight (and that entire army dying) a small cost if it meant Frodo won.
Gandalf has a very high level taunt. :wink:(edited)
Aragorn too, for that matter, with the Palantir. Infinite range!
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:08 PM
Oh yes, very quick at getting aggro.
VardaYesterday at 5:10 PM
We know Gandalf held off the nazgul from Faramir and his soldiers coming into Minas Tirith.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:10 PM
That was Gandalf the White though.
Curious how well he would have done as the Grey.
VardaYesterday at 5:10 PM
He had a hard time vs the Balrog, but he did win.
He also said he was already tired at the start of that fight.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:11 PM
Not good to go into combat while already exhausted.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:11 PM
And (depending on which version we're going with) the Balrog would be stronger than at least any individual Nazgul.
VardaYesterday at 5:12 PM
The Balrogs are Maiar, so yes.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:12 PM
And that was a fairly well-fed one...
VardaYesterday at 5:13 PM
and well-rested. : )
Gandalf could easily handle any single nazgul, Witch-king or no.
He simply held back the Witch-king by his presence at the gate to Minas Tirith. They didn't have any actual fight as the Rohirrim came and the Witch-king had to go to his troops. Movie not right on that.
No nazgul could break an Istar's staff.
It took Gandalf as the White, the new head of the order, with orders from the Valar to fire Saruman, to break Saruman's staff. That was a very big deal.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:16 PM
Very true.
The combined Nazgul might have been able to at least seriously injure Gandalf the Grey, though.(edited)
VardaYesterday at 5:17 PM
I would not argue against that.
Especially right at Orodruin.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:17 PM
Exactly.
VardaYesterday at 5:18 PM
Sauron and all nine nazgul right at the seat of power. That's when Gandalf would have to make use of strategy. Use the cave mouth, bring it down on top of them when they enter.
ElladanYesterday at 5:18 PM
Hey guys!
Sorry to barge in
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:18 PM
Aiya!
VardaYesterday at 5:19 PM
Elladan! Aiya! Good to see you. : )
We were just discussing if the whole Fellowship made it with Frodo to Mt. Doom. : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:19 PM
It's a curious question though -- do his restrictions (as the Grey, before becoming the White with more latitude) against direct interference on a 'magic/power' level (which didn't seem to apply when fighting the Balrog, because it was a direct agent of Morgoth) apply to the Nazgul?
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:20 PM
I assume he was allowed some measure of self-defense? :smiley:
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:20 PM
They are (were?) Men, but they Men who are indelibly connected with Sauron.
VardaYesterday at 5:20 PM
We know Gandalf as the White did indeed send light from his staff against the flying nazgul to keep them back. They could not attack.
Even as ring-wraiths, they could only partake of part of Sauron's power. That was one of the things sapping Sauron and Morgoth's power , the sharing with minions.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:21 PM
As with the One Ring itself.
VardaYesterday at 5:22 PM
and the Rings were kind of like horcruxes. : )
Exactly.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:23 PM
That does lead to a question though -- certainly the Men became stronger through their Rings, but did Sauron enjoy a similar increase in power with the Nazgul, if they were working in concert with him?
He must have, or he wouldn't have made/given them the ring sin the first place.
VardaYesterday at 5:23 PM
Sauron had a huge amount of power. Even with part of his power shared, he was stronger than any humanoid on Middle-earth.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:24 PM
So with them all gathered together at Mt Doom, it would have almost certainly overwhelmed Gandalf the Grey, and probably given the White a run for his money.
And of course Gandalf would know that.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:24 PM
He must've thought sharing his power was worth it to gain the control.
VardaYesterday at 5:24 PM
I wonder how much of Morgoth's shared power Sauron retained, and if he knew how to tap Morgoth's Ring (Arda).
Aye Phar.
And Gandalf know if he could hold out long enough, the Ring's destruction could save him.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:25 PM
Was it ever explicitly stated that Morgoth shared capital-p Power with Sauron?
VardaYesterday at 5:25 PM
Not explicitly.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:25 PM
We can infer, of course.
VardaYesterday at 5:25 PM
It's known that he shared power with minions, one of the seductions. Sauron was his top lieutenant.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:25 PM
True, true.
VardaYesterday at 5:26 PM
JRRT was big on making readers figure out stuff, said so, and that is one of the attractions for us. : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:26 PM
I still think that Gandalf, when leaving Rivendell, did not expect to win, himself.
Good 'ole noble sacrifice.
VardaYesterday at 5:27 PM
Sauron had to be seduced away from Aule and power would have been a huge part of that. So he probably did receive something from Morgoth. A question is if he kept any after Morgoth was pushed through the Doors of Night. He wasn't killed.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:27 PM
Or.. if not expected, understood it was possible/likely.
VardaYesterday at 5:27 PM
Gandalf was indeed willing to do self-sacrifice, a super-power right there. He did so to save the Fellowship from the Balrog.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:28 PM
Exactly. Even there he was not assured of winning and he knew it.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:28 PM
He was kinda hoping to win that encounter, though.
VardaYesterday at 5:28 PM
Having the willingness to give every bit of himself made him even more powerful in a fight. Nothing held back.
Gandalf did win vs the balrog. : )
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:28 PM
Hoping to? sure. Fought to the very end, totally.
But willing to be wrong, if he was.
VardaYesterday at 5:29 PM
Aye. In any case, he wins by holding the Balrog back from the One Ring.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:30 PM
I think he would have considered that a success if he had lost, but held the Balrog back from the One Ring (and everything else happened to work out differently such that the Ring was still destroyed, of course).
VardaYesterday at 5:30 PM
Agreed
He had a particular goal. Taking the Balrog down was secondary.
So that our European friends don't keel over on us, let's call the main meeting now. We can keep up the chat if we want to in the After-meeting. : )
one hammer tosses the other to the hammerpad
thonnnnnk!
the hammerpad returns the hammer with a friendly bounce
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After-meeting!
Free chat. About Balrogs, wings, and other things.
ElladanYesterday at 5:35 PM
mmmm wings
VardaYesterday at 5:35 PM
Gandalf-fried Balrog Wings.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:35 PM
A bit smokey, but otherwise pretty good.
VardaYesterday at 5:35 PM
^^
ElladanYesterday at 5:36 PM
Might be a bit heavy for me, considering I just ate a couple bean burritos from the drive thru at the shire
ArienVYesterday at 5:36 PM
sounds tasty to me
VardaYesterday at 5:36 PM
Meats back on the menu, boys.
ArienVYesterday at 5:37 PM
i can offer sun fried honey chicken slices with recommendation from Yavanne
how does that sound?
VardaYesterday at 5:37 PM
Delicious

Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:41 PM
Perosnal gaming news,  I finally gave in and picked up Shadows of War, despite femme-fatal-Shelob.
VardaYesterday at 5:41 PM
hah
was it fun?
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:41 PM
I mean, sure.
I'm on the hardest difficulty though and WOW the captians just murder me.
Like, one-hit-kills.
VardaYesterday at 5:42 PM
Can't have you bored!
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:42 PM
It's like playing Dark Souls.
2-3 from regular orcs.
I was gonna do my usual of playing tons of sidequests and hunting for all of the different bits first, but.. man, I think I'm just gonna have to storymode it for awhile.
Only do sidequests that explicitly give me skills..
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 5:45 PM
Well, if you're on the hardest difficulty, no wonder you might need to play rather more efficiently than just for completion :wink:
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:48 PM
aaaaand made a new captian
sigh
VardaYesterday at 5:49 PM
I don't know enough about it to understand the sigh.
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 5:49 PM
if you die to a regular orc, they get promoted to captian, get some abilities and so on
VardaYesterday at 5:49 PM
You caused another tough captain to attack, or made one of your own?
hah, you gave an orc a promotion. Wild.
He should give you a few coppers for that next incarnation

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Hey guys! Eonwe has a wonderful announcement. Take it away, Eonwe!
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:51 PM
Thanks :}
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm afraid I've had to make a change to the name of one of the boards on the Forum.
VardaYesterday at 5:52 PM
but wait, there's more
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:53 PM
After examination, I've found that the "Trivia Questions" board was entirely inadequate. It contains more than just Trivia questions. It also includes our Name Games.
So it is now the "Word Games" Board, still under the Tolkien section, so obviously Tolkien Word Games are what's involved :}
VardaYesterday at 5:53 PM
Yay!
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:54 PM
With this change, we now will have a board evident for Trivia, Name Games, and Riddles! and speaking of riddles....
The Riddle Game - Book I, is now available for the riddlers of the Valar Guild, no question question-marked costume required :}
VardaYesterday at 5:55 PM
whew Mine's at the cleaners.
Are Valar (and Valie) allowed?
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:55 PM
All are allowed. This is for fun.
VardaYesterday at 5:55 PM
Woot!
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:56 PM
The guidelines are in the first post, so go over those and we'll see how it goes and if we need to tweak it come Book II.
First riddle is in the second post. I'm going to try and maintain a link to the riddles as they're given so that we can jump straight to riddles without skimming through the guesses.
VardaYesterday at 5:58 PM
Maybe unsticky the old ones?
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 5:58 PM
Yeah, probably ought to unsticky the old trivias.
VardaYesterday at 6:01 PM
Riddle sounds pretty. cudgels gray matter for answer.  At what point can we use books, by the way?
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:01 PM
Done.
Hmm.
I'm going to say riddle-poser's discretion for right now for Book I. My inclination is to believe having book access isn't necessarily going to immediately make the riddle easier, because you still have to match the clues.
VardaYesterday at 6:04 PM
Agreed
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:05 PM
But I don't want to encourage making the clues so vague or complex you have to get out the books either. I want people to at least be starting out with their own knowledge.
VardaYesterday at 6:06 PM
Pretty well need to before we can even start to look it up.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 6:09 PM
Yep, not much specific to look up for that one.
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:10 PM
It's not going to look good if I have to close the game after my own very first riddle, lol :}
VardaYesterday at 6:10 PM
oopsie ; )
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:11 PM
I've updated with rule 5 about using the books. Let me know if that's not clear.
We've just started though, so I'll let the riddle sit and you all ruminate on it :}
VardaYesterday at 6:12 PM
That looks clear enough.
rum, rum. Where's the rum gone?
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:13 PM
For now, I must be off.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 6:13 PM
Namarie!
VardaYesterday at 6:13 PM
Namarie and thanks!!
Eonwe ValarYesterday at 6:13 PM
Take care all, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}
ArienVYesterday at 6:14 PM
Namarie Eonwe and thanks to you too :smiley:
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Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 6:14 PM
K, personal gaming report!

We start with 3 flashgames.
http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/surf-riders/ is the first, surf along varying levels of water. You have to alter the height of the water you're on to match the next section so your little surfer doesn't crash. Collect coins along the way to unlock other surfers, though they appear to play the same, so it's just cosmetic. There doesn't seem much of an end to it, just go as far as you can, and collect coins and surfers.
Hint: When it comes to choosing between adjusting your height to max the next section and reaching up for coins, ignore the coin :wink:
Other than that there isn't much to it, but it's cute and simple.

http://www.freewebarcade.com/game/words-family/ is the second game! Make sections filled with letters fit into the space to make words. Simpler than it sounds, fun little puzzle game. Reminds me a bit of a game I like and have linked before called musaic box, but with letters instead of bits of music.
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 6:30 PM

https://www.kongregate.com/games/RockLou/the-awakening-rpg is the third game, typical rpg: Wake up without memories of how you got there, and go on an adventure :smiley: Story is apparently unfinished, but still a lot to do before then. Also a lot of character customization options, and an interesting combat and stat-upgrade system.
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    You awake in a forest with no memory, carrying only a sword. Hintit was not caused by severe drinking the day before. Create your own character and embark o...

Pallando-ValarYesterday at 6:43 PM
oh good
I made a troll into a captain
VardaYesterday at 6:44 PM
eeek

ArienVYesterday at 6:58 PM
right .. i have to call it dear friends :smiley:
VardaYesterday at 6:58 PM
Good night, Arien : )
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 6:58 PM
Namarie!
ArienVYesterday at 6:58 PM
good night and Namarie all :smiley:
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Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 7:59 PM
Blizzard gaming:
Starcraft II:
Phase 2 of the war chest completely unlocked, now gotta wait a few weeks for phase 3 :smiley: 's fine, gives me time for other stuff
Diablo 3:
New season started, with the crusader once again rebirthed. The class set is the most useful one (in my opinion) this season, so that's good. Level 23 now, with a rift and 5 bounties complete. Onward to the rest of chapter 1 :smiley:
Hearthstone:
The special brawl event comes with 2 quests, for 300 gold each. Very useful. In getting those done I mostly used the mage, which has a clear advantage in her death knight form (in this brawl, all heroes start with dk form). A bit unfair perhaps, but with so many brawl victories needed for the quest, I couldn't resist.
As a result, the mage as a class is now quite a bit ahead of the other classes in xp, nearing the next level already.
Will need to focus more on the other classes for a bit!
Got a new legendary from the classic set, Velen the priest legendary. Not bad!
Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 8:17 PM
Heroes of the Storm:
Level 302 now. Brawl this week is the Blackheart map where you have to collect 100 coins as a team to one-shot the enemy core. Fighting tends to heat up near the end as teams try to prevent each other from making that final coin delivery, while stealing the other's coins from killing them. Ended up in a random 10x Maiev game, which was pretty silly, and got Maiev to level 2 for me. I think the other level I got was from Dehaka, who's slowly climbing in levels as my newest active hero.
There's also some lore stuff going on, with a new comic and possibly some quests next week, but it's a bit vague. Turned out there was a comic I'd missed, too, all the way back in July. Apparently Europe doesn't get all the news!
And yes, I went through the entire blog from that time, no mention of a comic.
WoW:
G'huun defeated on normal! Uldir cleared on that difficulty. Bit of farming of normal bosses, and more progression on heroic difficulty at this point.
Heroic is still at 2/8, to be continued on tuesday, but we did have some attempts at the Fetid Devourer. Simple fight, but a bit of a gearcheck, with a fast enrage and some really heavy hitting abilities. It's no wonder they had to nerf it several times before the first guilds killed it on mythic difficulty.
Success in the old raids too! Finally got my Snobold pet from Trial of the Crusader, so now we're done there, and will only be doing Dragon Soul for one person's mount until some new pets are released, probably in Pandaria.
Got about half my conquest cap done for pvp, but leaving it at that. I'll try to catch up on it for more transmog appearances in the future, but right now it's not a priority. Besides, there has been some interest in making a rated battleground premade group with some members of our raidgroup/guild, to collect one or two mounts, so there will be plenty of opportunity. I did do the pvp brawl, though, which was actually rather fun this week, with 2 parties of 3 dps, 1 healer and 1 tank facing each other while trying to defeat each other's raidboss.
Bit more gearing up, to 351, with only the necklace remaining below 330 for the epic achievement.
Been doing more expeditions, too, completing the achievement for defeating all horde champions. With some hotfixes to make other achievements accountbound, they ended up resetting the achievements to help all npcs and to collect a large amount of total azerite. But I've been focusing on the npcs with every expedition and making some decent progress there. Also got another queststarter reward, and my first transmog reward. Which was a green-quality warlock piece, so not bound to your class, and easy to underestimate in value. Apparently all the mog pieces are green quality. Made a note of having it and sent it to my alt. We'll see what we can collect as we go...
Oh, and I took up the offer of buying 180 days gametime to get the Dreadwake mount in-game, a flying pirate ship. Very interesting, though I can't unsee the lights at the backside forming a face...
Not sure if that's intentional, but once it's there, you'll always see it.
It's otherwise a fun (and big) mount, though strangely faster on land than in the water.
The 180 days wasn't much of a problem for me; I always buy in periods of 90 days anyway, so it's not that drastic, and it's not like I"m going to stop playing in that time. So now my gametime is set for over half a year, including the time I still had :smiley:
And finally, a bit more questing. A lot of stuff getting in the way when it came to questing time, including checking up on a lot of the datamined stuff posted on the internet for 8.1. But it all looks quite interesting, so eh.
The questing itself took me one step further into Tiragarde Sound, clearing the Roughnecks questline, and putting the glacier on the map. All that's left for questing there is the Wharf, which I hope to start tomorrow.
Oh, almost forgot, weekly was 5 pvp pet battles... completed another pet brawler achievement in the process, for 10 pvp victories with a fully aquatic team.
It was quite a pain, since aquatics are not that powerful in pvp, but it's done now, and hopefully the next family will be a bit easier.
And that's my report for the week!

Ar-Pharazon-VYesterday at 8:54 PM
namarie!
Pallando-ValarYesterday at 9:02 PM
unskippable cutscenes are the wooooooorrrrrssssssst
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