October 22, 2017 Sunday Meeting
5pm
EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
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Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
Attending: (5)
AIM:
Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Lenwe, Varda (presiding)
Discord:
Lenwe, Varda
LotRO:
Bregalad, Dis, Frodo, Melilot, Varda
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership:
Time change for Europe next weekend.
Arien is currently on vacation.
Gorlim's mother died.
Web:
Poetry: "Nienna" by Xiuqi-(T)
Gaming:
General gaming report by Eonwe
Tolkien:
Topic: on fairy-tales.
After-meeting:
Flashgaming Reviews by
Ar-Pharazon
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Before-meeting
(times for Ar-Pharazon in the Netherlands)
Lenwe (-V) (22:33:21): Aiya everyone :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:33:29): Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:36:23): Did the clocks change in
the US yet?
Lenwe (-V) (22:37:59): Not until November :(
Lenwe (-V) (22:38:07): We still have to be content
with waking up in the dark for a bit
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:38:25): Ah, I think we're earlier
than you then, I think we're moving the clock next weekend.
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:38:46): which means that for me,
the meeting starts an hour earlier, I think?
Lenwe (-V) (22:39:30): Ah, that makes things
interesting
Lenwe (-V) (22:39:50): We moved from Ohio, and had a
2-hour time change, back in April, and I'm still adjusting to it
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:40:00): Heh.
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:40:22): Amazing how you can stay in
the same country and still switch so many hours.
Lenwe (-V) (22:40:32): For some reason I still
subconsciously think the meeting starts at 5pm...
Lenwe (-V) (22:40:39): It's a wide country, ha
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:41:05): While we share our timezone
with over a dozen neighbours ;)
Lenwe (-V) (22:41:16): And then Arizona just likes to
mess with the rest of the U.S. by not observing daylight savings
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:41:23): haha
Lenwe (-V) (22:41:31): Ha, that's convenient
Varda Valar (22:55:57): Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:56:24): Aiya!
Varda Valar (22:56:46): Who all is present here? Also
loading into Discord, LotRO.
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:57:03): Pharazon here.
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:57:14): Arien's on vacation.
Varda Valar (22:58:03): Happy vacationing to Arien!
Varda Valar (22:58:17): Lenwe no longer here?
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:58:55): Just afk, maybe?
Varda Valar (23:00:38): brb while loading this
computer down :)
Lenwe (-V) (23:04:13): Was afk, am back now
Lenwe (-V) (23:04:21): Aiya Varda!
Eonwe Valar (23:05:38): Heya all.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:05:42): Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:05:50): And grats on the turtle to
you too :)
Eonwe Valar (23:06:07): Thanks :}
Lenwe (-V) (23:06:19): Aiya!
Varda Valar (23:07:29): Aiya to Lenwe and Eonwe. :)
Varda Valar (23:07:56): If there is at least one
other person, there is a meeting. More than that is richness. Thank you
for coming. :)
Varda Valar (23:08:42): Also present in Discord, and
in the LotRO loading screen.
Varda Valar (23:09:12): One thing that might be nifty
in Discord is the ability to read a passage. But it doesn't go into a
transcript well, sadly.
Varda Valar (23:09:28): I mean as in read aloud
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:10:03): audio?
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Varda Valar (23:10:04): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Varda Valar (23:10:27): Aye. We have both text and
audio channels in Discord, simultaneously.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:10:34): A bit like Skype, then.
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Varda Valar (23:12:51): Membership:
Varda Valar (23:13:20): Currently in AIM, we have
Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Lenwe, and Varda.
Varda Valar (23:13:34): In Discord, I only note Varda
in meeting_place.
Varda Valar (23:13:48): In LotRO, we have Bregalad,
Frodo, and Varda.
Varda Valar (23:14:01): Arien is on vacation. May she
be having a great time!
Varda Valar (23:16:20): Lenwe is now also speaking in
Discord.
Varda Valar (23:16:24): text I mean
Varda Valar (23:18:10): In all areas of Valar
communication, we try to use polite language as JRRT would have
preferred.
Varda Valar (23:18:37): We may not be as eloquent, of
course, but we may try to prevent being displeasing to him, as Tolkien
fans. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:18:50): And displeasing to each
other.
Varda Valar (23:18:53): Bregalad crashed, I think.
Eonwe Valar (23:19:12): And some of us don't want to
have to explain why "mommy's little angel" has a new favorite word :}
Varda Valar (23:19:25): And that's the truth. :)
Varda Valar (23:19:44): A sudden loud word is learned
quickest by parents and children. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:20:29): How very convenient..
Varda Valar (23:22:32): Any other membership news?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:22:52): Fladrif still seen in
Hearthstone!
Varda Valar (23:23:17): Yay!
Varda Valar (23:23:54): Elwing is having problems
with her computer again. She's about ready to add to its problems by
throwing it in the street and running over it, but hasn't quite done
that yet.
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Varda Valar (23:23:59): Web:
Varda Valar (23:24:05): Poetry:
Varda Valar (23:24:09): "Nienna" by Xiuqi-(T). Thank
you to our newest Tolkien member. This poem is also going into the
Anniversary page.
Varda Valar (23:24:25): It is on the Anniversary
page, I should say. :)
Varda Valar (23:26:05): http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/poetry/NiennaX.htm
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Varda Valar (23:26:50): Gaming:
Varda Valar (23:27:07): Eonwe, do you have a general
gaming report for us?
Eonwe Valar (23:27:14): Aye.
Eonwe Valar (23:27:30): World of Warcraft:
Eonwe Valar (23:28:06): Hallow's
End is going until November 1st.
This week's bonus event is Burning
Crusade Timewalking.
The Patch
7.3.2 notes are up, but the patch itself is not out yet.
See this week's hotfixes.
Eonwe Valar (23:28:20): Starcraft 2:
Eonwe Valar (23:28:33): New
maps are being added to the Season 4 Ladder.
Eonwe Valar (23:28:43): Heroes of the Storm:
Eonwe Valar (23:28:56): A new
patch is out and the Hallow's End event has begun.
Eonwe Valar (23:29:06): Hearthstone:
Eonwe Valar (23:29:24): An update
came out this week for Hearthstone as well, as well as a Hallow's
End event.
Eonwe Valar (23:29:33): Overwatch:
Eonwe Valar (23:29:57): Overwatch also has an event
going, as well as a new story. See more in the blog An Overwatch
Tale: "The Return of Junkenstein".
Eonwe Valar (23:30:10): Lord of the Rings Online:
Eonwe Valar (23:30:22): If you're interested in what
went into naming the minstrel in LotRO's showing of the events on the
Field of Cormallen, check out the blog "The
Fortress-Keeper".
Eonwe Valar (23:30:27): That's it from me.
Varda Valar (23:32:42): Thank you, Eonwe. :)
Varda Valar (23:33:25): LotRO is still having the
Harvest-math Festival.
Varda Valar (23:34:54): I'll have to clean up the
LotRO gamers for the week report in the transcript as its being winged
right now:
Varda Valar (23:36:29):
Arien
Bregalad
Dis
Fangorn
Frodo
Gil-galad
Gorlim
Hamson
Hurin
Ioreth
Irmo
Marigold
Melilot
Miriel
Nar
Thranduil
Varda
Varda Valar (23:36:57): For StarCraft/BroodWar: Fangorn, Varda
Varda Valar (23:37:24): For StarCraft 2: Fangorn, Eowyn,
Faramir, and others who I hope will speak up. :)
Varda Valar (23:38:15): Phar menationed Fladrif and
Ar-Pharazon in Hearthstone.
Varda Valar (23:39:25): *mentioned
Lenwe (-V) (23:40:49): I have been doing a lot of
flight simulation for my gaming lately; X-Plane 11 and DCS World :) Also a bit of DotA with Erkenbrand
Varda Valar (23:42:29): Any other general gaming
comments? Seeing other Valarites in your games?
Varda Valar (23:47:30): Any other comments,
suggestions, etc? This is your chance to tell officers any input you
want, something you can do every weekend.
Varda Valar (23:54:35): And now that I am no longer
posting in the wrong channel in LotRO, o dear.
Eonwe Valar (23:55:07): :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:55:10): heh
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:55:24): Busy a bit, about to escort
Anduin across the Broken Shore.
Varda Valar (23:56:54): I seem to have picked up some
new LotRO chat people by accident.
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Varda Valar (23:57:00): Tolkien:
Varda Valar (23:58:24): What is a fairy-tale?
Varda Valar (23:58:34): JRRT considers his writing to
be fairy-tales.
Monday, October 23, 2017
Varda Valar (00:00:31): Does anyone here have a
comment on what a fairy-tale is?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:00:31): Well, his elves were
originally fairies :)
Varda Valar (00:00:55): Elf was the word before fairy.
Eonwe Valar (00:01:08): I didn't want to just say "A
tale with fairies in it." :}
Varda Valar (00:01:09): Faery refers to a place.
Varda Valar (00:01:31): Later people started calling
the denizens of Faery, fairies. Gets confusing.
Varda Valar (00:01:55): Elves and fairies were back
and forth words, and even specialized over time.
Eonwe Valar (00:02:19): But a better answer would
probably be along the lines of, "a tale in which the world we know
interseacts with the Other world." Or Faery world.
Varda Valar (00:02:28): Aye
Varda Valar (00:03:10): You could say a tale with
fairies in it, but JRRT didn't consider that to be a good enough
definition.
Varda Valar (00:04:17): But he seemed to like the one
you said second better.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:04:41): So Valinor/Eressea makes it
a fairytale?
Eonwe Valar (00:05:15): Rivendell and Lothlorien
would also be glimpses into that world.
Varda Valar (00:05:16): It needs to have the place of
Faery somehow included in the story.
Varda Valar (00:05:21): Aye and aye
Varda Valar (00:05:59): For reference:
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
#89.
The Tolkien Reader "On
Fairy-stories"
Eonwe Valar (00:06:28): I think I read his essay "On
Fairy Stories" some time back, but now it's barely glimpses in my mind
if I did.
Eonwe Valar (00:07:00): It was in the TOlkien Reader I think?
Varda Valar (00:07:00): To be a fairy-tale, it must
touch upon the world of Faerie, and may or may not include its denizens.
Varda Valar (00:07:06): Aye
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:08:10): Interesting. So many things
of what we think are fairytales, really aren't.
Varda Valar (00:09:11): Correct!
Varda Valar (00:09:14): Magic in a fairy-story must
never be made fun of.
Varda Valar (00:10:00): It has a mood and power far
from that of a stage magician's. "Gawain and the Green Knight" is a
good example of this correct way of looking at the Magic of the realm
of Faery.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:10:54): Does the Elvish Rope thing
count as making fun of fairy magic? :)
Varda Valar (00:11:31): I don't think so. Seems
serious enough, as it actually worked. :)
Varda Valar (00:13:30): Going along with your other
comment:
Varda Valar (00:13:32): As fairy-tales, JRRT excludes
"traveler's tales, such as "A Voyage to Lilliput"; beast-fables where
the beasts are men thinly disguised with a beast's appearance and
usually with no "real" humans present or as mere adjuncts; or using
dreaming to explain away the magic - a cheat - (although Dream may be
used in a fairy-tale as to unlock powers of the mind.
Varda Valar (00:14:07): Faery-beings may use illusion
but are not themselves illusions.
Varda Valar (00:14:35): The world of Faerie must be
seen as true.
Varda Valar (00:15:01): A tale of Faery to not be a
cheat must provide the desire at the heart of Faerie: "the realization,
independent of the conceiving mind, of imagined wonder".
Varda Valar (00:15:29): The beast-fable misses the
Faery-story desire of humans to communicate with animals.
Varda Valar (00:16:12): What is the origin of the fairy element in
story-telling?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:17:01): Norse mythology comes to
mind, if we count Elves. And at some point there's Shakespeare.
Varda Valar (00:17:09): Sounds good.
Varda Valar (00:17:13): The mind sees green grass
discriminating it from other things. The green suggests that the grass
is fair to look upon, pleasing to be around, but added to a face may
suggest something horrible. The adjective makes a magical change in
perception.
Varda Valar (00:17:41): Also, if something can be
described as heavy, then one can shift it to imagine something that can
make heavy objects light and able to fly.
Varda Valar (00:18:06): In that moment of fantasy, a
new form is made and Faerie occurs; Man becomes a sub-creator.
Varda Valar (00:18:30): Faerie can immediately make
new visions by the power of will. This is not just some personification
of a power of nature.
Varda Valar (00:19:00): The story is like a soup,
with many ingredients. The tale-teller dips into the ingredients to
form the soup of the tale, and the hearers add their own way of tasting
to that soup.
Varda Valar (00:19:28): What is the use of fairy-stories now, as in
reading them as tales rather than studying them as curios?
Varda Valar (00:21:00): Any suggestions for an answer?
Varda Valar (00:21:47): Are they just for children?
Eonwe Valar (00:21:49): A glimpse into the human
condition?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:21:52): Stimulating the imagination.
Varda Valar (00:22:04): Good answers!
Varda Valar (00:22:29): Only some children and some
adults have a taste for fairy-stories, and it may not be exclusive or
even dominant.
Varda Valar (00:23:23): (Dis is now joining the chat
in LotRO's Valar channel. )
Varda Valar (00:23:36): Such a taste tends to
increase with age. Fairy-stories can be ruined if left only to be used
for children.
Varda Valar (00:24:13): The story-maker must be a
successful sub-creator of a Secondary World into which the mind can
enter.
Varda Valar (00:24:43): Inside that world the place
is "true", according to its own laws; failing if it breaks its own laws
by destroying the suspension of disbelief, forcing the reader to be
outside again in the Primary World.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:24:47): MLP doesn't count, right?
More of a beast-fable? :)
Varda Valar (00:25:36): Aye. It's populated by
unicorns that take the place of people.
Varda Valar (00:25:58): Not everyone agrees with
JRRT, of course.
Varda Valar (00:26:12): And I am mostly not quoting
him, but condensing or paraphrasing.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:26:20): For what it's worth, their
setting magic could be equated to fairy-magic. Also, there are Breezies
present in one episode, which are basically a sort of fairy.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:26:26): *setting and magic
Varda Valar (00:26:34): His own stuff is really long
and we'd have a time of it putting it all in.
Varda Valar (00:26:46): So you could say it's set in
the world of Faery.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:26:56): In a way, yes!
Varda Valar (00:27:22): If he continues reading, it
is an onlooker rather than as a participant. Once inside, the readers
are more likely to ask JRRT if the person or thing was good or wicked.
Varda Valar (00:27:52): The story is not one that
awakens belief but desire, sharpening it unbearably before satisfying
it.
Varda Valar (00:28:22): One may wish to see and
experience interaction with a fearsome and beautiful dragon in this
amazing other world, while horrified at the thought of meeting it in
real life.
Varda Valar (00:28:54): Sorrow and the shadow of
death can bring dignity and sometimes wisdom. Fairy-tales should offer
the same gifts as other stories, with the addition of "Fantasy,
Recovery, Escape, and Consolation".
Varda Valar (00:29:09): Lucky you, I'm not going into
each of those with hardly any detail. :)
Eonwe Valar (00:29:22): :}
Eonwe Valar (00:29:41): Sorry, but I must go afk.
Varda Valar (00:29:56): No worries. Yay for scroll
and transcripts.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:30:31): What about Warcraft? :)
Varda Valar (00:30:53): Fantasy. The ability to make mental
images is Imagination and may have wide degrees in vividness and
strength.
Varda Valar (00:31:08): What about it?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:31:23): Fairytale world, or a mere
fantasy?
Varda Valar (00:31:40): Could it be Science-fiction
too?
Varda Valar (00:31:45): Art is the link between Imagination
and Sub-creation.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:31:45): There are elements of it.
Varda Valar (00:32:32): I'll let you make that call.
Giving you JRRT's stuff on what Faery is and you can work from there.
Varda Valar (00:32:35): Add to this Art the quality
of strangeness and wonder;
give a freedom from observed fact to make the fantastic.
Varda Valar (00:33:01): It is difficult to achieve
Fantasy, as it must be internally consistent to make it into an
immersive Secondary World.
Varda Valar (00:33:40): Mere Magicians tend to be
using greed for self-centered power.
Varda Valar (00:33:52): (Reason Galadriel didn't like
her work being called Magic.)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:34:02): Ah yes, I believe that
internal consistency is a main focus of the Discworld series.
Varda Valar (00:34:37): Or any good story, aye.
Varda Valar (00:34:40): Enchantments of the Elves are
the desire of man for fantasy, of shared enrichment to make delight,
not slaves.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:35:05): Ah, but the longer the
series, the more detailed the world, the harder it is to maintain that
consistency unless you use it as a driving factor.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:35:19): Which is why it became more
important as his books went on.
Varda Valar (00:35:42): You use a kind of "story
Bible", or Encyclopedia to keep it all straight.
Varda Valar (00:35:59): And have overreaching story
arcs.
Varda Valar (00:36:15): Now we get into the real meat.
Varda Valar (00:36:45): For Drama, the true form in JRRT's mind
is Tragedy. But for the fairy-tale,
it is the opposite, for which he invented the word: eucatastrophe.
Varda Valar (00:37:09): This is the true form of the
fairy-tale and its highest function.
Varda Valar (00:37:37): "The consolation of
fairy-tales, the joy of the happy ending: or more correctly of the good
catastrophe, the sudden joyous "turn" (for there is no true end to a
fairy-tale): this joy, which is one of the things fairy-stories can do
supremely well, is not essentially "escapist", nor "fugitive.
Varda Valar (00:38:03): In its fairy-tale -
otherworld - setting, it is a sudden and miraculous grace: never to be
counted on to recur.
Varda Valar (00:41:25): Quoting
Varda Valar (00:41:27): t does not deny the existence
of dycatastrophe, of sorrow and failure: the possibility of these is
necessary to the joy of deliverance;
Varda Valar (00:41:53): it denies (in the face of
much evidence if you will) universal final defeat and in so far is
evangelium, giving a fleeting glimpse of Joy, Joy beyond the walls of
the world, poignant as grief.
Varda Valar (00:43:23): 'I'll stop there. Please feel
free to make comments if you like (as always, during as well).
Varda Valar (00:44:10): There's lots more, but that's
the gist. I highly recommend reading JRRT's on words on the subject.
Varda Valar (00:44:39): The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
#89.
The
Tolkien Reader "On Fairy-stories".
Varda Valar (00:46:14): [Valar] Luithien: 'in theatre
arts we learn childrens theatre is not just for young ones'
Varda Valar (00:46:48): (That was Dis-V in LotRO)
Varda Valar (00:53:19): If there are no further
comments?
Varda Valar (00:54:30): *reach for a volunteer hammer*
Varda Valar (00:54:47): *the whole shelf and conveyor
belt sparkles*
Varda Valar (00:55:05): *a gavel leaps up into the
hand*
Varda Valar (00:55:15): *ka-pow!*
Varda Valar (00:55:28): *it may have had black powder
on the nose*
Varda Valar (00:55:42): *sets the hammer back and it
bounces off giggling*
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:55:46): Shiny explosions.
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Varda Valar (00:55:47): After-meeting!
Varda Valar (00:57:15): ^^
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:23:42): Gaming report!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:24:10): For flashgaming, 2 games for Halloween
that have you utilizing your own corpses, and 1 puzzle game.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:30:33): http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/pumpkins_of_the_dead
is the first one! A platformer where if you die, you turn into a
zombie; use your past zombies to bounce off of to get past the
obstacles.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:35:17): http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/death_chamber
is the second game, rather more difficult, and with limited lives,
though smaller levels. If you die your corpses just lie around, and can
slow down your progress, or be useful as stepping stones.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:37:12): http://www.kongregate.com/games/targaciej/push
is the third! A puzzle game where you have to push the buttons in the
right, logical order, while using other buttons to rotate or move
sections.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:37:44): Quite enjoyed getting
through this one, even if it's just a demo, it still gets a bit
challenging, and keeps you busy for a while :)
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Ar-Pharazon-V (02:01:48): Blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:05:41): Heroes of the Storm: Level 226 now,
yay! More Halloween chests. This week's brawl was the nova sniper brawl
again, always fun with one-shot kills, stealth and decoys :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:06:54): Hearthstone: Brawl this week was
with decks full of shifters (becoming random minions each turn they're
in your hand) and spells for whatever class you pick. Very random, very
important to play tactically.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:07:18): Still pushing on the xp,
not much to note there.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:32:05): WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:34:46): No luck on new pets from
the old Cata raids, though I did get 2 special pets later on in the
week.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:35:27): We did visit the previous
raid, Nighthold, for achievements. Got all of them except Aluriel,
which requires 3 separate kills.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:49:08): Falcosaur questing
continuing, now almost done with the second one. Talon's Vengeance also
continuing, now halfway between friendly and honored.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:49:59): Getting a few more proper
pvp kills there now, rather than just killing friends. Should help a
bit more.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:50:54): Done my 7 timewalks for the
weekly quest, with a few new achievements on the alts because they had
not seen those specific instances yet. Yay for them!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:52:55): For Hallow's End, there are
3 new items: a pet and 2 toys, each toy for one half of a horse
costume, similar to the dragon costume in the Lunar Festival. Total
required 450 tricky treats, but with a bunch of dailies each day and
visiting all the candybuckets in the world, I managed to get all 450
today, and get the new stuff :) Including the new pet, Naxxy, a
floating Naxxramas. Which got hotfixed later on to fly with you when
you're flying as a player, which is always fun :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:54:37): Other new thing is that,
like with the other holidays for the past few months, all the cosmetic
rewards are permanently unlocked in the appearance tab, though only
useable for the specific holiday. But you have to earn them first. For
Hallow's End it's about 4 witch's hats, obtainable from the daily near
Bradensbrook, and I've gotten 2 so far. They all look alike, though, so
I don't really mind if I don't get all 4 in the first year. Would be
nice, of course.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:56:10): Did a bunch more Broken
Shore quests and other world quests, getting enough curious coins for
the War Turtle; after waiting a few days, it appeared at the vendor, so
now it's in my possession!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:57:05): And after doing some world
quests for the Kirin Tor emissary, I got my other new pet, the Wondrous
Wisdomball, which is basically a floating bubble with Khadgar's face,
giving some pre-set answers to questions similar to one of those 8-ball
things.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:58:36): Also in the broken shore, I
visited the Sentinax a few times, getting the achievement for using the
summoning beacons in each area of the island. I also got an achievement
for one of the world quests there, making my way through a maze on one
of the ships without losing my wyrmtongue disguise.
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:00:47): I also got my feral Class
Artifact Challenge done! Getting a new appearance for my catform. Lot
easier than the guardian challenge I tried last week, and I got feral
done in only 5 tries. This allows me to work on the secondary
variations for the class challenge appearances, without needing any of
the other primaries. So now I can postpone guardian and the others
until later in the expansion without missing out; any secondaries I
unlock for feral will also be available for the other specs.
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:01:10): Got my first of those
already, killing Kil'jaeden on heroic difficulty, which we got done
again tonight :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:02:46): Finally, completed the
questline for the Found Memento, Varian's compass which I gave to
Anduin, unlocking some escort quests and a new cinematic at the end.
Quite an emotional story!
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:04:32): And that's my report for
the week!
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:07:22): Oh, one more browser game... just
thought I'd mention that I'm making some serious progress in the Cookie
Clicker idle-game, for those of you who remember that one. Resets and
prestige upgrades are following rapidly, and I'm only lacking 7 more.
Worked my way through the entire heaven/hell series of upgrades, and
that with that done, from now on every upgrade will be quite a bit more
expensive than the previous, and any that I've gotten before.
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:07:52): I've no idea how long the
last stretch will take, but I do feel like the finishline (as far as it
exists in this game) is somewhere on the horizon ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:08:03): Which usually means a new
update is soon to come, but I can dream!
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:22:53): Namarie, transcript to come
tomorrow!
Varda Valar (04:23:06): Thank you. Namarie!
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