Valar Guild

June 4, 2017 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (6)
        Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Elladan, Eonwe, Lenwe, Varda (presiding)
        Arien, Lenwe, Varda. (Falco and Gil-galad present but not responding.)

Before-meeting (ok, so we chat a lot before the meeting, feel free to skip to the actual meeting beginning below)
Meeting begins
    Tolkien Site: Timeline work on the Great Years.
    Games Site: update in progress
    General gaming report by Eonwe and others.
    DotA review by Lenwe-(V)
    Topic: Raft-elves. Who were they and what did they do?
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon
    Personal gaming by Ar-Pharazon
    More raft-elf discussion.

(Times for Ar-Pharazon in the Netherlands. We appreciate how late he stays up to handle this!)
Varda Valar (21:09:38):    Happy June 4, to anyone who is around. :)
Elladan (21:09:53):    lol
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:09:52):    Aiya! What's special on June 4?
Elladan (21:09:59):    significance?
Elladan (21:10:26):    or just that its June 4th? :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:10:37):    "Either all days are holy, or none are"?
Varda Valar (21:10:44):    Kind of like it's a good day to be Good morninged on.
Varda Valar (21:10:57):    and what Phar says, which was even better. :)
Elladan (21:11:06):    Preach on, Phar!
Varda Valar (21:11:17):    Just sayin', "Howdy". :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:11:34):    Discworld quote, when a golem police officer was asked what days off he wanted :)
Varda Valar (21:11:47):    That was lovely.
Elladan (21:12:27):    I'm trying to temper the pain in my mouth
Varda Valar (21:12:51):    Use it say things lke that golem soldier and that could help. :)
Varda Valar (21:13:05):    Fortunately you can use fingers to talk.
Elladan (21:13:06):    :)
Elladan (21:13:08):    yes
Elladan (21:13:15):    I just ate some ghost pepper wings
Varda Valar (21:13:23):    o oh! :)
Varda Valar (21:14:48):    ok, just signed into Discord.
Varda Valar (21:15:32):    Pulling up LotRO.
Varda Valar (21:15:42):    I'll guess Phar's in WoW. :)
Elladan (21:15:49):    as am I :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:15:53):    That I am. Currently raiding.
Varda Valar (21:16:27):    You are both welcome to use the Valar Guild Discord for gaming. :)
Varda Valar (21:16:54):    I"ll let you get back to previously scheduled slaughterage.
Elladan (21:16:54):    Thank you
Elladan (21:17:11):    new computer incoming on Tuesday
Varda Valar (21:17:20):    Exciting!
Elladan (21:17:20):    will be better geared for discord and gaming :)
Elladan (21:17:25):    going 4K :)
Elladan (21:17:33):    and a whole new machine. Building it
Varda Valar (21:17:54):    Sounds great! Good for quality control too.
Elladan (21:20:08):    afj
Elladan (21:20:12):    ghost pepper in the eye
Elladan (21:20:14):    not good!
Varda Valar (21:20:25):    ack!
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:22:07):    was aiming for your mouth?
Elladan (21:22:15):    no I rubbed my eye
Elladan (21:22:23):    wow that was hot
Varda Valar (21:34:25):    Are you all moved into your new place, Elladan?
Elladan (21:35:14):    into my apartment yes, but I just found a house, put an offer in, and it was accepted yesterday! woohoo!
Varda Valar (21:35:27):    Oh super!
Varda Valar (21:35:43):    Have to have someplace to put your computer. ;)
Elladan (21:35:53):    haha yep!
Eonwe Valar (22:09:36):    Heya all :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:09:45):    Aiya!
Elladan (22:09:49):    herro!
Varda Valar (22:09:51):    Aiya Eonwe :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:10:29):    So you moved into an apartment, then bought a house, so now you have to move again?
Elladan (22:10:36):    yep
Elladan (22:10:56):    the apartment was temporary anyhow. Was planning on a house
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:11:01):    Ah.
Eonwe Valar (22:11:26):    Just a quick warning: You may experience problems with the website as a whole while I try to work some stuff out, but it'll be brief, so if you do just give it a couple of minutes and try again.
Varda Valar (22:11:35):    ok
Eonwe Valar (22:12:02):    *The Valar Guild website of course. I won't be affecting your personal internet connections :} [Note: refers to the Games Site part of the total Valar Guild website.]
Elladan (22:25:08):    Im heading out with Bogey for a long walk. I'm online but afk
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:25:13):    Enjoy!
Elladan (22:25:15):    for the meeting
Eonwe Valar (22:25:22):    Have fun :}
Elladan (22:25:31):    thank you
Elladan (22:25:36):    it's beautiful out
Elladan (22:26:07):    is anyone ever on Lothar server from Valar?
Varda Valar (22:26:23):    Yes
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:26:23):    Arien, sometimes, I think?
Eonwe Valar (22:26:26):    I'm on late at night.
Varda Valar (22:26:26):    Timing is tricky
Varda Valar (22:26:34):    Arien, Eonwe, Bofur, Nob
Elladan (22:26:35):    ah
Varda Valar (22:26:38):    used to be Glorfindel
Elladan (22:26:42):    made a new monk 2 nights ago
Elladan (22:26:46):    lvl 54 :)
Varda Valar (22:26:55):    You need to get with Eonwe for a guild invite
Eonwe Valar (22:26:56):    Others I see come on are either slightly earlier than me or very early in the morning, server time.
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:27:06):    *panda voice* slooow dooown...
Varda Valar (22:27:17):    When do you come on Elladan?
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:28:20):    Levels are to be savoured!
Varda Valar (22:28:25):    Big storm outside
Varda Valar (22:30:06):    Pulling my phone off the power line
Varda Valar (22:30:26):    er, my laptop
Varda Valar (22:30:34):    Also on the phone with Eowyn
Eonwe Valar (22:30:43):    Heya to Eowyn :}
Varda Valar (22:37:53):    back
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:38:07):    Aiyata
Varda Valar (22:38:29):    Elladan, did you need a guild invite from Eonwe to the Lothar server for WoW?
Varda Valar (22:39:36):    Not sure how well I can stay online.
Elladan (22:41:20):    just saw your message. Not right now. I logged out. Taking Bogey for a long walk
Elladan (22:41:41):    I ended up in a pretty decent guild for the time being. The Fighting C Bs
Varda Valar (22:41:41):    Ok, maybe when you get back if he's not at work yet.
Varda Valar (22:41:43):    Namarie!
Elladan (22:41:50):    they raid and pvp a good bit.
Elladan (22:42:02):    okay I'll say hi when I get back :)
Elladan (22:42:06):    be an hour or so :)
Lenwe (-V) (22:56:02):    Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:56:09):    Aiya!
Varda Valar (22:56:22):    Aiya Lenwe :)
Eonwe Valar (22:56:29):    Heya
Varda Valar (23:00:20):    It looks like that time. :)
Varda Valar (23:00:43):    Just checking. Is anyone else also using Discord? Trying to see where we will be having meetings.
Eonwe Valar (23:01:01):    I'm just in AIM.
Varda Valar (23:01:23):    It is kind of nice for gaming in any case. :)
Varda Valar (23:01:51):    Usable from any game, even if they don't share Battlenet.
Arien V (23:01:55):    Aiya all ::)
Varda Valar (23:02:00):    Aiya Arien :)
Eonwe Valar (23:02:23):    Heya Arien
Arien V (23:02:42):    heya Varda and Eonwe :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:03:01):    Aiya!
Arien V (23:03:26):    Aiya Phari :)
Arien V (23:03:49):    i am using it now and again Varda, yes
Arien V (23:04:00):    Discord i mean
Varda Valar (23:04:14):    okies.
Varda Valar (23:04:40):    I'm in both AIM and Discord, seeing if we are going to be able to migrate to Discord or not.


Varda Valar (23:04:59):    Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Arien V (23:04:59):    aha
Varda Valar (23:05:03):    Membership:
Varda Valar (23:05:15):    If you're here, please type Aiya
Varda Valar (23:05:16):    Aiya
Arien V (23:05:24):    aiya
Varda Valar (23:05:26):    This is to put you on the Attending list. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:05:42):    Aiya
Varda Valar (23:05:48):    Really hard to tell now without that.
Eonwe Valar (23:07:22):    Aiya.
Varda Valar (23:07:30):    Thank you all for coming. :)
Varda Valar (23:08:40):    Web:
Arien V (23:08:46):    I am back from holiday btw ^^
Arien V (23:09:00):    vacation i should say
Varda Valar (23:09:06):    Glad to have the Sunshine back with us!
Arien V (23:09:17):    :)
Varda Valar (23:09:21):    Hope it went well!. Need a rest from vacation?
Arien V (23:09:58):    hehe :) no it was great and relaxing actually despite the journey days being a a bit hectic but they tend to be
Varda Valar (23:10:14):    Sounds great. :)
Arien V (23:10:50):    there are pictures on facebook in my timeline probably or on Bruces if you are active
Varda Valar (23:11:35):    ahh, will have to check those out!
Varda Valar (23:11:47):    Any other membership news
Varda Valar (23:12:06):    ?
Arien V (23:12:29):    spotted Bofur on Lothar on WoW US :)
Arien V (23:12:38):    and Eonwe of course :)
Varda Valar (23:12:52):    In more good news, Elladan, who has been living temporarily in an apartment, got a house yesterday. :)
Varda Valar (23:13:03):    He is also building a new, better computer.
Varda Valar (23:13:13):    Thanks, Arien

Varda Valar (23:13:24):    Web:

Tolkien Site:

Varda Valar (23:13:42):    More work has been done on the Timeline, mainly the Great Years.
Varda Valar (23:13:55):    Added more info and links, long way from done, but making progress.
Varda Valar (23:14:26):
Varda Valar (23:14:57):    Changed from green to pale grey on the dividers, so it wouldn't take over so badly when looking at it.
Varda Valar (23:15:17):    Feel free to make suggestions, such as pale green or nothing at all. :)

Games Site:
Varda Valar (23:16:00):    Eonwe has been working hard on the Games Site, still wrestling code. Going live throws a lot of new wrinkles into the fabric.

Varda Valar (23:16:34):    Gaming:
Varda Valar (23:16:43):    Eonwe, would you like to give the general report?
Eonwe Valar (23:16:47):    Sure.
Lenwe (-V) (23:17:04):    Aiya Varda :) Sorry was AFK for a bit

Eonwe Valar (23:17:15):    World of Warcraft:
Eonwe Valar (23:17:37):    A live Q&A is coming Wednesday, June 7th.
A new blog is out: The Deaths of Chromie: Time To Act.
The Tomb of Sargeras raid schedule is posted. Get ready for it!
If you're into PvP, be aware that Season 3 is ending June 13th.
Check out the latest hotfixes.

Eonwe Valar (23:17:55):    Diablo 3:
Eonwe Valar (23:18:14):    The Necromancer cinematics have been released. It's getting closer!
Updates were made to the Necromancer beta patch notes.

Eonwe Valar (23:18:30):    Heroes of the Storm:
Eonwe Valar (23:18:44):    A new hero is coming: Malthael! See that and more of what's to come in this announcement.

Eonwe Valar (23:18:58):    Hearthstone:
Eonwe Valar (23:19:10):    A new update is out this week.

Eonwe Valar (23:19:27):    Overwatch:
Eonwe Valar (23:19:42):    Competitive Season 5 is going.
The PTR is also up.
A new lore blog is up: New Details Emerge About Possible Fate of Horizon Lunar Colony.

Eonwe Valar (23:20:03):    That's it from me.
Varda Valar (23:21:09):    Thank you, Eonwe. :)

Ar-Pharazon-V (23:21:27):    Look away when the Heroes of the Storm swimsuit skins are coming... it's quite terrible ;)
Varda Valar (23:22:05):    Funny? :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:22:11):    Somewhat.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:22:18):    If that's your type of humor.
Varda Valar (23:22:39):    Ok, looking away now. :)

Varda Valar (23:23:17):    Lenwe has a game he's been trying out, and is willing to give us a review. Take it away, Lenwe!
Lenwe (-V) (23:25:54):    I've been playing quite a lot of DotA again recently, Valve's version of Heroes of the Storm. The game recently went through Version 7, and has a much more streamlined user interface now, and most heroes are well-balanced :) Your hero options are broadly divided into agility-based, intelligence-based, and strength-based. The agility heroes are mostly "right-clickers" that grow strong towards the end of the game, intelligence heroes tend to be strong spell casters, and the strength ones are tanky with a lot of hit points and regen. I've only played HotS a few times so I unfortunately can't offer a detailed comparison for the Blizzard crowd. Lots of fun though.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:26:31):    agility, intelligence, strength? That seems more Warcraft than HotS ;)
Lenwe (-V) (23:26:42):    Ah!
Eonwe Valar (23:26:46):    Or D1 :}
Lenwe (-V) (23:27:05):    The original DotA was a mod from Warcraft III, I believe, so that makes sense
Eonwe Valar (23:27:08):    Well, strictly about the stats.
Lenwe (-V) (23:28:25):    There are also some insanely high-winning tournaments out there, with payouts well in excess of $1M. Valve does a great job of broadcasting those games, and in my experience they are just as exciting as football
Varda Valar (23:29:24):    Thank you! Interesting.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:30:15):    I think those were the original Warcraft 3 stats? Though in this case, agility mostly increased attackspeed too.
Lenwe (-V) (23:30:27):    Agility increases attack speed and armor
Lenwe (-V) (23:30:37):    Strength increases hit points and hit point regen
Lenwe (-V) (23:30:49):    Intelligence increases mana, mana regen, and spell strength
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:31:19):    Yes, that's very much Warcraft 3 :) And all 3 increased damage for their respective characters?
Eonwe Valar (23:31:37):    Aye, in WC3
Lenwe (-V) (23:31:48):    And then whichever stat is your hero's "primary" stat will increase damage. So an intelligence hero gets damage benefit from intelligence, agility from agility, etc.
Varda Valar (23:33:04):    Thank you, Lenwe.

Varda Valar (23:33:09):    LotRO:
Varda Valar (23:33:32):    Thursdays we add a new Year quest. Currently we are in Year 8.
Varda Valar (23:33:55):    Guides for the Year / Scavenger quests are available on our News. :)
Varda Valar (23:35:08):    Here's a Helpful workaround from Cordovan for users of Windows XP or Vista having trouble starting the Launcher since the last update.
Varda Valar (23:35:19):    Hobnangians is going.
Varda Valar (23:35:36):    Weatherstock is July 22.
Varda Valar (23:35:58):    That's when a lot of LotRO bands play on Weathertop over a period of days, on schedule.
Varda Valar (23:36:35):    A handy link: LotRO news on the LotRO Beacon, by Cordovan.
Varda Valar (23:36:54):    Any other general LotrO news?
Varda Valar (23:37:37):    We still need to work on using Discord for our gaming, but it seems pretty good. Popular with a lot of kins, taking over even from Teamspeak.
Varda Valar (23:37:58):    Switching now to fellow Valarites seen this past week in our gaming. :)
Varda Valar (23:38:09):    LotRO:
Varda Valar (23:38:12):   
Varda Valar (23:38:25):    StarCraft/BroodWar: Fangorn and Varda
Varda Valar (23:38:37):    StarCraft 2: Fangorn, Eowyn, and Faramir
Varda Valar (23:38:50):    Anyone else?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:39:21):    Fladrif in Hearthstone again :)

Varda Valar (23:39:26):    Oh, also Interview with Chance Thomas, a major musician for LotRO. Link from Gil-galad-(V)/

Arien V (23:39:29):    WoW: Auros, Arien, Bofur
Varda Valar (23:39:32):    yay Flad!
Arien V (23:39:45):    Lothar US
Varda Valar (23:39:52):    Elladan was also in WoW Lothar this past week
Varda Valar (23:39:59):    and Nob
Arien V (23:40:29):    i havent seen them tho ^^ at least not in the guild .. it seems Nob left the guild with one character#
Varda Valar (23:40:51):    Aye, just the one to run with some casual raiders.
Arien V (23:41:04):    ah right
Varda Valar (23:41:08):    He also does that in LotRO.
Eonwe Valar (23:41:25):    He let me know he joined a casual raiding guild with that character, but his others are still in the guild. He also has the Valar channel up, so he can still be spoken to through there when he's on that character.
Varda Valar (23:41:26):    Still one of us, though. :)
Varda Valar (23:42:21):    Also, grats to Lenwe on the solid state drive!

Varda Valar (23:43:18):    Ahh, on Discord: Arien, Falco, Gil-galad, Lenwe, myself.
Varda Valar (23:43:57):    To make your name show whatever you want in our server, you can type /nick Yourchosenname
Varda Valar (23:44:11):    That's a nice feature.
Lenwe (-V) (23:44:33):    Nice! I didn't know that :)
Varda Valar (23:44:36):    It only changes it on the one server, so you are still recognized on other names on other servers if you like.
Varda Valar (23:45:08):    Handy tip from Gil-galad.
Varda Valar (23:45:28):    Therre you go. Shows Lenwe now. :)
Varda Valar (23:45:43):    That's one thing it would be nice to have in AIM.
Lenwe (-V) (23:45:51):    That would be very convenient

Varda Valar (23:46:33):    Any other business, news, suggestions, instance requests, intentions to add to the Tolkien Site, etc?
Varda Valar (23:47:08):    New places have been added to the Places page while working on the Timeline, with no links, to show article needed.
Varda Valar (23:47:31):    Such placeholders are all over the site, ready for input, as Short Circuit said.
Varda Valar (23:47:43):    If there's no other business?
Eonwe Valar (23:47:59):    Malfunction, Need Input? :}
Varda Valar (23:48:08):    hehe
Varda Valar (23:48:13):    Need more input.
Arien V (23:48:23):    Five alive ..
Varda Valar (23:48:28):    :)
Arien V (23:48:41):    :)
Varda Valar (23:48:43):    Ok, moving on to

Varda Valar (23:48:46):    Tolkien:
Varda Valar (23:49:06):    First, we have a nifty link from Gil-galad, who's been helping as a reporter for us. :)
Varda Valar (23:49:21):    Beren and Luthien book article link, recommended by Gil-galad-(V).

Varda Valar (23:49:57):    If anyone has a Tolkien-related question, or Moment in the books they'd like to share, let me know and we'll get to it.

Varda Valar (23:50:10):    Meanwhile, here's a question:
Varda Valar (23:50:22):    Who are the Raft-elves?
Varda Valar (23:50:33):    (They're in the Hobbit book.)
Arien V (23:51:49):    the Elves from Thorins hall that transport the wine barrels to Lake-town?
Arien V (23:52:16):    rather they bind them together and throw them down the river i think and make sure they get there
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:52:19):    Mirkwood elves whose sole job it was to get wine barrels traveling between Mirkwood and Lake-town?
Varda Valar (23:52:31):    Think you meant to say Thranduil's Hall?
Arien V (23:52:40):    err Thranduils hall yes :D#
Varda Valar (23:52:49):    Starts with Th. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:52:56):    Seems a rather boring job. How many barrels a week are we talking about here?
Varda Valar (23:53:09):    They, however, don't live in the Halls.
Arien V (23:53:14):    just to remind you i dont do names *cough* . i am a number person .. not a names one ..
Varda Valar (23:53:18):    A lot,actually.
Varda Valar (23:53:44):    Fortunately we can help each other. Y'all help me a lot of times too, thank you for that!
Varda Valar (23:54:03):    Think how many trucks of food and drink go to even a small town.
Varda Valar (23:54:44):    The raft-elves are not in the Halls at all. They take care of a special problem. What is that problem for the barrels?
Varda Valar (23:57:35):    This group gets very little attention but could be quite interesting for fan fic. :)
Varda Valar (23:58:05):    The barrels going down the river hit a bend and many are stuck there. They would never make it to Lake-town.
Varda Valar (23:58:33):    These elves have a small village in that spot.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:59:08):    An entire village of barrelriders.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:59:18):    It always seemed a bit overkill to me.
Varda Valar (23:59:26):    Even in the dark, they knew the barrels of dwarves were coming and were there quickly, wading out to the barrels.
Arien V (23:59:39):    the raft elves are good friends with the vine cellar master :)
Varda Valar (23:59:45):    They rope them together into rafts and send them around the bend.
Monday, June 5, 2017
Varda Valar (00:00:10):    You may thinking of the keeper of the keys? The Captain that was the guard over the dwarves?
Arien V (00:00:23):    uh yes that one
Arien V (00:00:31):    the keeper of the keys
Arien V (00:01:01):    anyway he had a barrel set aside .. i think#
Varda Valar (00:01:35):    Bilbo said that person was a likable elf. :) Apparently he and the cellar guy had some Dorwinion wine set aside that had been intended for the King's table. Probably had an oversupply.
Varda Valar (00:01:51):    The two weren't used to the strength of the Dorwinion.
Arien V (00:01:55):    aye that was it
Varda Valar (00:02:09):    So they passed out, giving Bilbo his chance to smuggle out the dwarves in the barrels.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:02:20):    Kingy can't have been too happy with all that.
Varda Valar (00:03:03):    True.
Varda Valar (00:03:40):    Bilbo left and couldn't tell us what punishment they received, maybe having to go to the Raft-elf village for a time. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:03:51):    "You drink my wine, *and* you let the prisoners escape because of it?"
Varda Valar (00:04:16):    The Raft-elves were rather amazing in how well they knew when the barrels were coming, even the unscheduled ones with dwarves.
Elladan (00:04:18):    @(^_^)@
Varda Valar (00:04:27):    The barrels were supposed to be empty.

Varda Valar (00:04:37):    Aiyata, Elladan. :)
Elladan (00:04:43):    aiya
Arien V (00:04:50):    aiyata
Varda Valar (00:04:54):    (Lenwe is installing his SSD drive right now.)
Elladan (00:05:15):    my new puter has a SSD too
Elladan (00:05:17):    :)
Elladan (00:05:18):    can't wait

Varda Valar (00:05:28):    Apparently the raft-elves normally scavenged from full barrels, but
Varda Valar (00:05:38):    this time, due to the lateness of the hour, they did not.
Varda Valar (00:06:12):    It's possible that Bilbo had planned this whole thing, as he was lurking in the Halls invisibly quite a few days.
Varda Valar (00:06:28):    And Bilbo also burgled the Raft-elves for food, including a pie. :)

Elladan (00:07:20):    Happy 100th to The Book of Lost Tales
Varda Valar (00:07:25):    These raft-elves are something of a mystery, and suggest there were other groups we never heard about, also associated with Thranduil.
Varda Valar (00:07:34):    Huzzah! Thanks, Elladan. :)
Elladan (00:07:46):    my contribution for the day
Varda Valar (00:07:55):    Good contribution!

Varda Valar (00:09:08):    We know the raft-elves village was on the bend of the river, not right next to the Halls where so many went to have a place of safety, hiding from the Necromancer's forces at least to sleep or rest at times.
Varda Valar (00:09:18):    Like a castle keep for the surrounding farmers.
Varda Valar (00:10:00):    We know that sometimes Thranduil's elves would go riding outside the forest, needing to leave the closeness for a rest.
Varda Valar (00:10:23):    Possibly some of the elves that especially needed that would volunteer to work as raft-elves.
Varda Valar (00:13:47):    Who else might be there? Speculation welcome.
Varda Valar (00:13:58):    (Hi from Eowyn on the phone.)
Elladan (00:13:58):    Huey Lewis
Varda Valar (00:14:14):    I have no idea who that is, sorry. :)
Elladan (00:14:16):    Hi Eowyn

Elladan (00:14:26):    singer from the 80s
Arien V (00:17:17):    indeed . :)
Arien V (00:17:37):    i remember him
Eonwe Valar (00:17:39):    Funny you should mention Huey Lewis, I was just watching the Back to the Future Trilogy.
Elladan (00:17:48):    quite popular then
Elladan (00:17:54):    LOL
Arien V (00:18:30):    maybe rangers might turn up sometimes in that raft village
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:18:34):    Doesn't ring a bell to me, but then I'm from the 80s ;)
Elladan (00:18:46):    I Want A New Drug
Arien V (00:18:48):    Huey Lewis and the newws
Elladan (00:19:05):    the power of love
Elladan (00:19:10):    hip to be square
Elladan (00:19:14):    the heart of rock & roll
Lenwe (-V) (00:19:15):    Ha, that was also apparently before my time
Elladan (00:19:28):    and, from Back to the Future.... Back In Tiime :P
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:19:35):    Maybe he wasn't that popular in the Netherlands.
Eonwe Valar (00:19:43):    Power of Love was in there too :}
Elladan (00:20:13):    Bas Rutten... you know him? :P
Elladan (00:20:16):    from Netherlands
Elladan (00:20:22):    Alistair Overeem

Eonwe Valar (00:20:23):    To the topic: Would the Rangers go out that far?
Elladan (00:20:34):    oh sorry for the derailment
Varda Valar (00:20:46):    Anyway, as for who Raft-elves could be.
Arien V (00:20:58):    they might i think#
Varda Valar (00:21:03):    they would mostly be sivlans of Thranduil's, but also
Varda Valar (00:21:26):    they might be a natural fit for any remaining Avari.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:22:00):    Assuming Thranduil would associate with them.
Lenwe (-V) (00:22:06):    Presumably they didn't make much from their business...a fraction of what Thranduil received?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:22:07):    Or employ them.
Varda Valar (00:22:24):    I see no reason why Thranduil would not welcome the Avari.
Varda Valar (00:22:53):    He and Oropher wanted to "go native", reason they were with the silvans and Legolas was raised much like a silvan.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:23:00):    I always got the feeling the Avari were not very well liked or trusted by their kin. But I suppose that works.
Varda Valar (00:23:11):    The Avari would be very much like that.
Varda Valar (00:23:45):    The Noldor might not have been very fond of the Avari, the Refusers, since they were big on having gone to Valinor, or their ancestors having gone.
Eonwe Valar (00:23:47):    For some Avari, it was more the other way around.
Varda Valar (00:24:13):    It would be hard to tell the Avari apart from the Silvans.
Varda Valar (00:24:29):    The Silvans may have welcomed them in, and they could have assimilated.
Varda Valar (00:24:47):    The Silvans asked the Sindar, not the Noldor, to teach them and work with them.
Eonwe Valar (00:24:58):    Pulling from HoME, as memory serves the Tatyar that did not become Noldor were rather unhappy about their Calaquendi counterparts.
Varda Valar (00:25:05):    The exception would be Galadriel, but she was married to a Sinda.
Varda Valar (00:25:28):    Did it say why?
Eonwe Valar (00:25:41):    They did but my mind is glossing over it :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:26:40):    Silly cousins of ours, crafting things instead of living in harmony with nature!
Varda Valar (00:26:44):    Ok, it looks as if it's about time to call the meeting to an end. Eonwe is going to need to leave soon.
Varda Valar (00:26:52):    heh
Varda Valar (00:27:02):    Aule vs Yavanna? :)
Eonwe Valar (00:27:08):    I'd try to find it but my time is short and I don't even remember which book to look in right now.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:27:08):    Right :)
Varda Valar (00:27:38):    Might be a fun thing to bring up during the week in AIM or Discord or both, if you happen to think of it.
Varda Valar (00:27:59):    *grabs a hammer, one part wooden, one part metal*
Varda Valar (00:28:26):    *the hammer head splits in two, the hammer pad hurriedly splits in two to receive them both*
Eonwe Valar (00:28:32):    As I recall it would be in the same book/section that discusses the different elven languages/translations for Calaquendi/Moriquendi.
Varda Valar (00:28:34):    *Thonk-Tingggg*
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:28:58):    So the head of the hammer itself is split into wood and metal?
Varda Valar (00:29:03):    *the hammer-heads slide back together and the hammer is replaced on the shelf, carefully*
Varda Valar (00:29:06):    Aye

Varda Valar (00:29:12):    After-meeting!
Varda Valar (00:29:16):    Free chat!
Arien V (00:29:30):    *each splitter glows in golden sunshine*
Elladan (00:29:31):    didn't mean to interrupt with the music aside.
Eonwe Valar (00:29:34):    If I can complete the Games Site update tonight I will try to find it.
Varda Valar (00:29:39):    Sort of like the one side black and one side white aliens on Star Trek original. :)
Varda Valar (00:29:49):    No worries, Elladan.
Eonwe Valar (00:29:56):    No worries, Elladan :}
Eonwe Valar (00:30:05):    What Varda said, hehe.
Varda Valar (00:30:22):    This is a good time, during After-meeting, if you'd like to talk more about the music guy. I wasn't sure why you brought him up, thought it might be related somehow?
Varda Valar (00:30:36):    Not familiar with him to know.
Elladan (00:30:38):    I was trying to be funny
Elladan (00:30:44):    you said who else might be there
Varda Valar (00:30:45):    o ok. :)
Elladan (00:30:49):    and that name popped in my head
Varda Valar (00:30:56):    tough when a joke has to be explained. :)
Varda Valar (00:31:00):    That works.
Eonwe Valar (00:31:09):    I must now be off, so take care all, good night, sleep well, and perhaps see you later tonight :}
Elladan (00:31:18):    cya Eonwe
Varda Valar (00:31:19):    Namarie Eonwe!
Arien V (00:31:35):    take care Eonwe :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:31:51):    Namarie!
Lenwe (-V) (00:32:04):    Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:34:17):    Guess I'll get started on my personal gaming report?
Varda Valar (00:34:29):    If you like.
Varda Valar (00:34:40):    Not interrupting anything. :)
Elladan (00:34:48): I did
Elladan (00:34:49):    lol
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:34:51):    Right, just finding some games...
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:36:05):    maybe not, my browser just decided to pick this time to get a bit screwy
Varda Valar (00:38:14):    Oh, here's a link:
Varda Valar (00:38:17):
Varda Valar (00:38:32):    We could use an artist for the subject too. :)
Arien V (00:45:17):    bedtime for me i fear :/
Arien V (00:45:24):    last night was a bit shortg
Arien V (00:45:47):    Namarie all :0
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:45:47):    Namarie!
Arien V (00:45:51):    :)

Ar-Pharazon-V (00:48:44):    Gaming report! Starting with flashgaming
Lenwe (-V) (00:52:33):    Oop, namarie Arien!
Varda Valar (00:52:48):    Namarie, Arien
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:57:33): is the first game! You play a bunny and his shadow, each with different abilities, and gotta get past obstacles by swapping their positions.
Lenwe (-V) (00:59:52):    I wonder if smartphones will ever support flashgaming. I'll have to wait until my computer's back up to try it :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:00:25):    I believe there are ways to access Kongregate games on mobile, but might just be specific ones.
Lenwe (-V) (01:00:55):   
Lenwe (-V) (01:01:05):    That's what I get when I try to follow the link
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:01:49):    Yep, specific games then.
Lenwe (-V) (01:02:04):    Alas
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:03:33): is the second game for the week! Platformer wherein you play a thief, and need to make your way through houses stealing loot while a tsunami is trying to catch up with you. Nothing like a bit of disaster-pillaging, eh?
Lenwe (-V) (01:04:29):    Haha, that's awesome. Quite a unique plot
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:07:22): for the third game :) A bee simulation! Get more bees from flowers, try to avoid dangers, and see if you can make it home with as many bees as possible!

Ar-Pharazon-V (01:09:16):    And now for blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:13:41):    Heroes of the Storm: Few more levels, bit more loot. Couple of new hero skins, some quite good, like a flame dragon Kharazim.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:14:12):    This week's brawl was 10 sergeant hammers with special conditions, fun but can be quite tough if you're not too familiar with that hero :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:14:23):    It did get my Hammer to level 2 though, so an extra loot chest!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:15:26):    Diablo 3: Unfortunately I haven't had too much time for it. Still somewhere in the 50s. I will need to make extra time for it if I want to make it before the season ends, probably postpone a few WoW projects.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:18:14):    Hearthstone: Another old brawl this week, I think it was the one where you get random cards for the class you choose while the ones in your hand randomly change mana cost each turn. Need to have a bit of luck with it, but you should choose the more expensive cards from the starting mulligan and hope you can put down some cheap heavy cards in the first few turns :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:19:54):    Opened all my Gadgetzan packs, but didn't get the legendary I wanted, just one other. Some interesting other cards though. I have now started opening all the classic packs I've gotten from quests and brawls, nearly 90 of them stocked. It'll be almost exclusively duplicates, but there might be some good ones I didn't have yet either, like legendaries :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:20:50):    Still getting experience on my heroes, a few are getting in sight of the next level!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:20:54):    WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:22:17):    Not much raidnews, no new loot, no new bosses from current content. In Northrend I was able to skin Icehowl, and after that I went to visit Throne of Thunder for the skin from Horridon, and getting a couple of appearances along the way. No new pets from there, but that would've been really lucky ;) Good to know I can solo the place though.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:22:44):    I thought Dark Animus would give me some issues with all the mini golems stacking up to increase their damage, but as a cat I was able to outrun them and pick them off with moonfire.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:23:27):    But with those skins gotten, I was able to finish the last skinning quest for leather rank 3. So now I'm done with all that :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:24:17):    Also finished another cooking reagent when it comes to discoveries by Nomi, so now I'm kinda out of supplies to give him. Which means I need to farm a bit of meat or fish every day.
Elladan (01:25:09):    the struggle is real
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:25:31):    To that end I also started working on the fishing pole artifact, but some of the rare fish are giving me a bit of trouble. I did visit the lure-seller for the first time, and started fishing for the mana, which I need buy lures, which give a better chance to catch rare baits, which are needed for the rare fish.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:25:41):    Randomness in randomness in randomness. So much fun!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:26:02):    *need to buy lures
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:27:37):    This week's weekly quest was the one I hate the most, winning 10 arena skirmishes. I'm really really bad at arena. But after playing a ton of matches or so over 2 evenings, I got there. Mostly because of numbers advantage where one opponent would not show up and we could kill the enemy team with 3-2 or 2-1 players.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:28:33):    But hey, it's good honor and AP, and I could do some browsing while queued... so I went through it anyway ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:29:49):    Also a bit of progress with marks from pvp world quests, now at about 60 of the 80 I need for the second appearance arsenal. I'll get there, though how long it'll take to get all the different ones.. I don't know, but it'll be long.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:30:58):    And finally, for more appearances, I cleared all of Mechanar of the missing loot in just 3 days (it's a really short instance compared to most others, with small loot tables too).
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:31:58):    After that I started heroic Botanica, until I get the epic piece I'm missing, then I'll get the rest in normal. So far I've gotten a good number of missing pieces already, and am done with 3 of the 5 bosses. Unfortunately one of the last 2 is the final boss which has a lot of missing loot for me, and the epic piece still too :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:32:44):    And I think that's all my news for this week!
Varda Valar (01:33:01):    Thank you, Phar :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:51:08):    Level 193 in Heroes of the Storm at time of report, btw, so I guess Hammer was the only level I got :)
Varda Valar (03:33:24):    Grats.

Varda Valar (03:34:27):    Had also meant to bring up on raft-elves, what else might they be doing in that camp? Likely to be hunting, gathering, trading, some forms of crafting. Some might be there part-time, others living there.
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:34:47):    making pies!
Varda Valar (03:34:53):    Yay!
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:35:12):    other than that, not sure ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:35:27):    Probably some raft-supporting activities, like making rope?
Varda Valar (03:39:20):    Rope-making, almost certainly.
Varda Valar (03:39:29):    Barrel repair likely
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:40:37):    Leak-proofing?
Varda Valar (03:40:54):    Aye, sounds reasonable.

Varda Valar (03:42:35):    Do people that you raid with use talk programs? Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Mumble, other?
Ar-Pharazon-V (03:43:11):    I think they had a casual ventrilo room somewhere in the last expansion or so, but I never bothered much. No official raiding voicechat.
Varda Valar (03:43:38):    Thanks
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:19:55):    I gotta go, will send transcript tomorrow.
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:19:58):    namarie!
Varda Valar (04:20:04):    Namarie!