Valar Guild

July 21, 2013 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (4)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, VardaValar1 (presiding)
    We learned that the Group Chat option is not availble if the person contacted is on an app.

Meeting begins
    Games Site
    rp: problem posting
    Trivia: Questions over "Beren and Luthien" from the Silmarillion.

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AriehnV has entered the room.
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VardaValar1: Aiya Phar and Arien :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya both!
AriehnV: aiya there

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Hello from Sauron, who is DM'ing a Pathfinder tabletop game downstairs.
VardaValar1: Any membership news from you two?
AriehnV: no not at the moment and hallo to Sauron :-)#
ArPharazonV: hi Sauron!
VardaValar1: Gilraen says she's on an app instead of her computer, and that's why she can't enter the chat room. Good to know, thanks.
ArPharazonV: That explains last week too.
VardaValar1: Meetings can help us learn things, yay!
ArPharazonV: They're useful!

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Eonwe and I are still working together to keep the Gaming Site updated. Seems to be working nicely.
VardaValar1: Sorry I haven't been working on the website as much as usual, as I'm trying to finish up a work project. But I'll see about working something in this coming week.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Any non-WoW, non-LotRO gaming this past week?
VardaValar1: Good luck to Fladrif in his chess matches!
ArPharazonV: More flashygaming
VardaValar1: Are you two also in-game and needing a little more response time?
ArPharazonV: including an interesting upgrade-y tower defense game with level pack (which also has achievements)
VardaValar1: Those are good.
ArPharazonV: upgrades are great, takes a while to gather the xp but eventually you'll be completely unkillable if you play right :-)
VardaValar1: Completely? Where's the risk, the excitement?
ArPharazonV: Oh, and if anyone liked the "life of a duck" thing or whatever it was, that I linked some time ago... there's a similar game, though shorter, by the same maker at
AriehnV: ah right
ArPharazonV: well, the risk and excitement is in clearing all the levels with "brilliant" rating *before* you get all the upgrades, and also the excitement of getting an upgrade that you worked hard for :-)
VardaValar1: Good answer.
ArPharazonV: But if you're just horribly bad at it or just feel like mashing buttons and covering the map in towers, you can still beat the game after some grinding.
ArPharazonV: What more could you want from a TD, eh?
VardaValar1: There you go.
ArPharazonV: Allright, that's it from me for today.

AriehnV: i ve been rifting quite a bit and started on Storm Legion the expansion which you dont need to buy anymore :-)
AriehnV: thats the higher level area from 50 to 60
VardaValar1: Nice for players, maybe tough on game profits and future expansions.
ArPharazonV: If I recall from Blizzard, they usually don't make expansions cheap or free unless they're already 2 expansions further.
AriehnV: well the thing is that there are certain class combinations you only can get with the Storm Legion "Souls" as they call them through the rifts store which works similar to the Lotro and Turbine shop
AriehnV: you have to buy them with credits which you buy for real money
AriehnV: a lot of profit for them now comes from that
VardaValar1: Can you also just buy the expansion?
AriehnV: aye still findable on amazon aye
AriehnV: but probably not playable without the first bit
VardaValar1: How do you like the expansion so far?
AriehnV: not too bad i like the story concept which gives you the Lore background of the game and that guides you through each area
AriehnV: as you travel through each area there are various quests you pick up along the way
VardaValar1: Nice. Something like LotRO epic book quests?
AriehnV: the idea is the same aye
AriehnV: those additional quests are either just kill quests or you pick up stuff from the ground
AriehnV: or seal dungeon doors or such
ArPharazonV: Reminds me a bit of the 15 days of Asheron's Call 2 I played quite some years ago. Also lore-quests like that.
AriehnV: i am in the second expansion area now and having to find my way around there .. seems to be underground ruins
AriehnV: to be honest Phara i think Rift took the best of all past and present popular mmos and added a bit of their own and thats it ;-)
ArPharazonV: Heh. As any good MMO should!
VardaValar1: Build on the shoulders of giants. : )
AriehnV: so some things are familiar or ring a bell and others are original
AriehnV: thats all right i trhink
AriehnV: and yes .. earned title Dame Darainan hehe and got some shiny stuff by fighting through the stories
AriehnV: so thats it on the Rift front :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks, Arien and Phar. : )

VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: From Eonwe:
VardaValar1: Blizzard will be releasing Proving Grounds with patch 5.4, giving players an opportunity to hone their skills as a tank, healer, or DPS in a solo environment.
VardaValar1: Here's the link to the preview:
VardaValar1: Any other WoW news?
ArPharazonV: Ehr.. got a primal egg today, I hope it spawns anything but the raptormount I've already got?
VardaValar1: Good luck!
ArPharazonV: Otherwise, nothing special.
AriehnV: i finally decided to do the thunder isle achievement on my mage yester day and quite liked the solo instances .. with the few usal stop offs i. e. deaths but it got better with the later scenarios hehe
ArPharazonV: that the trove of the thunder king?
AriehnV: hmmm establishing base , clearing the mines, then the forge , the ship and last some super god duda
ArPharazonV: oh, those.
ArPharazonV: Nevermind then :-)
AriehnV: where Lorthemar and Jaina nearly clash until Taran Zhu who is barely able to stand by then washes their heads
AriehnV: i felt a bit sorry for him there ^^
AriehnV: apart from that nothing special
VardaValar1: Thanks, good review

VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: We're working on our characters ahead of Helm's Deep for traits and gear, with help from some alliance channels.
VardaValar1: Check with Varda in-game to help get set up.
VardaValar1: This lets us do top level raids with other courteous folk, or smaller group runs where we don't have enough Valarites on at the same time.
VardaValar1: Tulkas is away on vacation, Hurin is back from vacation. : )
VardaValar1: Any other LotRO news?
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karakedi25: aiya
VardaValar1: heh, good timing, just asking if there was any more LotRO news. : )
ArPharazonV: Aiya
karakedi25: since I don't know what you already said, I can't answer that question :-P
VardaValar1: How are your characters coming along? About ready for the Helm's Deep expansion?
VardaValar1: Mine can still use work. : )
karakedi25: my main character is doing very well. The other active ones have reached 85 but need varying amounts of work
VardaValar1: Indis has about a zillion high level characters.
karakedi25: look who's talking
VardaValar1: Any more comments, suggestions, relating to the Gaming Site, Tolkien Site, or any of our gaming?
VardaValar1: I only have 3 high level characters, gazillions of others. Bragging on you though.
VardaValar1: My crafting characters are willing to aid any Valarite with pretty nearly any request.
VardaValar1: Nar has offered excellent scholar services and some weaponsmithing, that we take advantage of now and then.
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ArPharazonV: Back from disconnect.
ArPharazonV: Last thing I saw: VardaValar1: How are your characters coming along? About ready for the Helm's Deep expansion?
VardaValar1: Did you lose the transcript?
ArPharazonV: No, anything above that is still there. Anything below needs to be repeated.
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karakedi25: I restarted AIM because nothing seemed to be happening.
karakedi25: Are the rest of you there?
AriehnV: i am here
ArPharazonV: I'm here.
ArPharazonV: Varda's hung up trying to copy what's been said while I was out.
karakedi25: ah
ArPharazonV: Varda wants to know if Arien can try it instead, and reminds you to use small chunks.
AriehnV: what do you me
AriehnV: an? small chunks of what?
ArPharazonV: Of what was said between VardaValar1: How are your characters coming along? About ready for the Helm's Deep expansion? and when I returned to the chatroom.
AriehnV: Mine can still use work. : )Indis 10:34 pm my main character is doing very well. The other active ones have reached 85 but need varying amounts of work
AriehnV: my main character is doing very well. The other active ones have reached 85 but need varying amounts of workVardaValar1 10:34 pm Indis has about a zillion high level characters.Indis 10:35 pm look who's talking
AriehnV: VardaValar1 10:35 pm Any more comments, suggestions, relating to the Gaming Site, Tolkien Site, or any of our gaming? I only have 3 high level characters, gazillions of others. Bragging on you though. My crafting characters are willing to aid any Valarite with pretty nearly any request. Nar has offered excellent scholar services and some weaponsmithing, that we take advantage of now and then.
AriehnV: I think thats it
ArPharazonV: Allright, thanks, I'll make a quick temporary save :-)
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ArPharazonV: Varda is relogging because it locked her up.
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AriehnV: my guardian is still padding through Moria but getting along :-)
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VardaValar1: Aiya
VardaValar1: Hah, it works!
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
AriehnV: aiyata
VardaValar1: Hantal. :-)

VardaValar1: We should be ready for Tolkien now. : )

VardaValar1: Quick check, how are we on the rp? Comments?
ArPharazonV: Seems we two are about to meet up with Auros. Probably your turn to write in that scene.
VardaValar1: Agreed, looks like Fainan is up next.
AriehnV: i have a feeling Frali might end up sparring with Gimli at the forges .. maybe they get a recomendation to go to an area more appropriate for that ^^ , so you can pick them up on the way if ye like
VardaValar1: Alrighty then, I'll be sure to hit that post in a bit, maybe later tonight as my time is running out.
VardaValar1: Elves would let them know about the training grounds, putting Frali right there for our group.

VardaValar1: How about a quick trivia from each of us, on Beren and Luthien, since we are all Silmarillion readers here?
VardaValar1: Reversing normal order, I can start. : )
ArPharazonV: Sure :-)
VardaValar1: Then Indis, Phar, and Arien.
VardaValar1: Who did Luthien disguise herself as, of Sauron's servants?
VardaValar1: Spelling optional.
AriehnV: the bat .... forgot her name
ArPharazonV: Turingwethil?
VardaValar1: Both right. Indis, want to try for the spelling?
ArPharazonV: Well, something like that anyway. Might be an extra h in there.
VardaValar1: Indis is probably in a raid.
VardaValar1: Thuringwethil is correct, there's your extra h, very good.
ArPharazonV: So close!
VardaValar1: You added an h, that works. : )
VardaValar1: Indis, if you're there, would you like to ask a Beren and Luthien question?
karakedi25: you got it
karakedi25: you got it
karakedi25: ugh
karakedi25: let me think
karakedi25: What was the name of the last place Beren and Luthien lived?
AriehnV: Land of the living dead
VardaValar1: was with the Green Elves, the Laiquendi
ArPharazonV: Ossiriand, but I believe there was a more precise location...
VardaValar1: I second Phar's.
VardaValar1: and because they lived there, it was called what Arien said.
karakedi25: it was an island in one of the rivers
ArPharazonV: Probably something with Tol then.
karakedi25: and it was called the land of the dead who live, more specifically
AriehnV: details **
VardaValar1: aka trivia. : )
AriehnV: yes but sounds less like zombies :-D
VardaValar1: What is it, Indis?
karakedi25: what I said
karakedi25: land of the dead who live
karakedi25: anyone still there?
ArPharazonV: Yep.
ArPharazonV: My turn then?
VardaValar1: Ok, so no other more formal name.
VardaValar1: Trying to Post Reply on the forum but it says website unavailable.
karakedi25: I don't remember the name of the island or the Sindarin version of the name I gave. It was what the Green Elves called it.
VardaValar1: okie dokie. Your go, Phar. : )
ArPharazonV: Allright. A fun multiparter.
VardaValar1: (can anyone else see the forum?)
ArPharazonV: There are 4 great named canines in the story of Beren and Luthien. What are their names, and how did each finally reach their end within the writings of Tolkien?
ArPharazonV: Nah, currently unavailable
AriehnV: (website currently unavailable varda)
karakedi25: Huon, Carcharath...
VardaValar1: (Thanks)
karakedi25: Huon died protecting Beren; Carcharath killed Beren and was killed by the elves of Doriath.
VardaValar1: Huan died saving Beren.
AriehnV: Huon? i think Huan ...was it?
ArPharazonV: Huan, yes.
karakedi25: right, Huan
ArPharazonV: It's also, ironically, Carcharoth :-) But close enough
ArPharazonV: Who are the other 2?
VardaValar1: Carcharaoth bit Beren's hand off with the silmaril still in it, burning him and driving him crazy. He was killed like Indis said
VardaValar1: Carcharoth
VardaValar1: starts with L...
ArPharazonV: No.
VardaValar1: Lungorthin. No? um
ArPharazonV: Lungorthin was a balrog :-)
VardaValar1: Sauron changed to a great wolf.
VardaValar1: heh, o right.
ArPharazonV: That's one, yes.
VardaValar1: The one Beren changed to?
AriehnV: and Draugluin , Saurons lieteunat?
VardaValar1: hah, there's that L
ArPharazonV: There you go :-)
VardaValar1: L luin blue
VardaValar1: yay Arien!
AriehnV: :-D
ArPharazonV: Still want to say the fates of Draugluin and Sauron?
VardaValar1: Huan killed Draugluin
VardaValar1: Huan beat Sauron back
VardaValar1: Draugluin first took the message to Sauron.
AriehnV: and Beren disguised as Draugluin
VardaValar1: I really need to re-read.
ArPharazonV: Yesp!
ArPharazonV: ...
ArPharazonV: either Yep or Yes.
VardaValar1: (forum came up, tried to post a copy, website goes down when hitting reply. I'm breaking it!)
ArPharazonV: To the answers, that is. I'll not comment on Varda's rereading.
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: First you break AIM, then you break the forum. What's wrong with you?
VardaValar1: I know re-reading is needed, no worries.
VardaValar1: It's just one of those days. Beware of falling stars!
VardaValar1: (Cloud Flare problem, possibly) [Note: post worked later during the meeting.]
VardaValar1: Arien, like to give us a question?
AriehnV: hmm okay and ... Phar i wanted to ask in that direction as you did but you were faster :-)
ArPharazonV: Sorry for the alphabet!
AriehnV: hahaha :-)
AriehnV: well i ll be simpler then .... When Beren and Luthien met , where was it and how did they meet and how did she react first to his approach?
karakedi25: She was dancing, and he saw her and fell in love with her. He called her Tinuviel. I believe she was attracted to him from early on, but I dont remember the specifics.
VardaValar1: She ran. She had been dancing when he approached.
karakedi25: And it was in Doriath
ArPharazonV: Got nothing much to add there.
AriehnV: Correct :-) she ran aye
AriehnV: and in doriath as well
AriehnV: and the dancing is correct as well :-)

AriehnV: I ll never foget that woman at the Festival in the Shire a few years back who recited that whole story off by heart or as good as
VardaValar1: A true bard! That's long.
AriehnV: *nods*
ArPharazonV: Reminds me of Homer and The Odyssey.
ArPharazonV: Now there's something to memorize.
ArPharazonV: Can't imagine how he did it ;-)
VardaValar1: People used to do enormous quotes from memory, thanks to training. We've lost a lot. Good to hear some can still do that.
VardaValar1: Woods of Doriath. Beren had just come from losing everyone in his band, through horrors, and something that beautiful had to be a mind-bender.
AriehnV: "come on my friends it is not too late .. now let us search for new shores. Yet as the temperament of heroe's hearts - weakened by time and fate , but never led astray by it." quote finish
ArPharazonV: You'd think he'd be more suspicious.
VardaValar1: I'm overtime to go back to the tabletop game, going to let you folks take over. Right after using this hammer on that big bug over there...
VardaValar1: Thomp!!

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
karakedi25: Enjoy your game
VardaValar1: Have to watch out using those hammers.
VardaValar1: Thank you. One of the gang had just come up and was filling me in. I'll scroll back later!
ArPharazonV: Enjoy!
AriehnV: *weakened by age and time" thats the right words .. but thats what you get when translating from German .. quote is from "odyssey " by a guy called William o' Shaughensay or something like that
AriehnV: which you put into my head Phara :-P
ArPharazonV: Sounds like a translation from the Greek one :-)
AriehnV: :-) I learned that passage by heart when i read the book from "Dead Poets Society" .. it is what the tragic main character who commits suicide reads at the first meeting
AriehnV: i think Ewan Mc Gregor played him if i remember rigfht
ArPharazonV: Haven't seen it.
AriehnV: its a brilliant film
karakedi25: Namarie
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ArPharazonV: Hmm. Apparently when there's an error and I can't rejoin the room normally, I can simply invite myself in again.
VardaValar1: o good :-)
ArPharazonV: ...random fact, did you know that Forty is the only number with its letters in alphabetical order?
VardaValar1: Cool, did not know that.
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