Valar Guild

February 24, 2013 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (6)
    Arien-(Valar)/AriehnV, ArPharazonV, EonweValar, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    SC2 beta
    Trivia round
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya. Popping in early whilst working. :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-) working on legendary quest which tells me to win a battleground ;-)
VardaValar1: Sounds pretty major!
ArPharazonV: It's tough. Lost 2 so far.
VardaValar1: Hey, legendary should be tough. : )
ArPharazonV: Yes, but it just means horde's better than us :P
VardaValar1: Atm
ArPharazonV: There we go, third time's the charm!
VardaValar1: Huzzah!
AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Sunshine :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
AriehnV: aiya both :-)
VardaValar1: oops, time to stop work and come enjoy the meeing.
ArPharazonV: Same for me, logging out of WoW :-)
VardaValar1: No letter from Eonwe, so he may be logging in shortly if he can borrow a computer.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Gwaihir : )

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: We have another person expressing interest in joining the guild, but the usual problem getting together. We'll see how it goes.
VardaValar1: A letter should probably go out to folks possibly this coming week to see if inactives would like to continue their association with our Tolkien fan club and gamers group.
VardaValar1: All members are welcome to scout for new members.
VardaValar1: First see if the person is pleasant and courteous as someone you would like to be around for the next 15 years and bring around the rest of us.. Then make sure they read all three books of the LotR so as not to waste their time and ours.
VardaValar1: Any pleasant person who won't grief us over Tolkien is welcome in our friend channels and meetings.
VardaValar1: Does anyone else have any membership news?
VardaValar1: Phar was trying to pull out of his WoW game. : )
ArPharazonV: I'm here, but no member news.
VardaValar1: Ok, thanks!

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Nothing new to report on my end.
VardaValar1: We would be happy to accept any poetry, humor, stories, articles, or game reviews, and the senders can receive help with them, have them changed if they wish later.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Which non-WoW, non-LotRO games have we been playing this last week? : )
ArPharazonV: More SCII beta, though I'm not very good at it :-)
VardaValar1: Hey, it's a beta. Managed to destroy the world yet? : )
VardaValar1: StarCraft/BroodWar with the team of Sauron, Fangorn, and Varda.
ArPharazonV: Also flashgaming, could link you a beautiful looking game which basically has you exploring an area and collecting items and completing a few quests, which was one of the Badges of the Day for this week.
VardaValar1: Star Trek Online for Sauron and Bilbo.
VardaValar1: Sure, link away.
AriehnV: A bit Sto here too ^^
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar.
VardaValar1: Bilbo was picking up some items on Kongregate too.
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis : )
karakedi25: Popped in to say hi, as I've not been in for some time.
VardaValar1: Nice to see you again. : )
ArPharazonV: Quite addictive, that website, if you let it ;-)
karakedi25: Have a dinner out with in-laws, but I can stay for a short time
VardaValar1: Hi to your folks!
ArPharazonV: And in-law folks!
AriehnV: aiya INdid :-)
karakedi25: Which website is that?
AriehnV: Indis
ArPharazonV: Kongregate.
VardaValar1: Did you want to mention any news, Indis, while you can?
ArPharazonV: Flashgames.
karakedi25: Personal or gaming?
VardaValar1: Either. We just completed Membership and are now in Gaming.

karakedi25: Well, I've gone over to the dark side in LotRO and made a creep.
VardaValar1: Fun : )
karakedi25: a monster player, for those who don't know
karakedi25: She's a spider; her name is Mornathril (spiders have Sindarin names)
ArPharazonV: Creepy.
karakedi25: :-D
VardaValar1: LotRO has an area called the Ettenmoors where the Free People (freeps) and creature players (creeps) can battle.
VardaValar1: No wholesale monster killing going on in the Shire for instance, as that would break lore.
karakedi25: it's the only PvP in the game. Creature players are all real players who make monsters in addition to their 'Free People' regular players
VardaValar1: Although we can "spar" in the regular world if we agree to it.
ArPharazonV: Like duels in WoW.
karakedi25: Mornathril means 'black weaver'
ArPharazonV: I think that was supposed to have a question mark.
VardaValar1: Kind of like rangers sparring for training purposes.
karakedi25: and her hatchling (pet) is called Niben
karakedi25: which means 'small'
VardaValar1: Great names : )
karakedi25: Lore geek to the end
VardaValar1: Huzzah!
VardaValar1: Spider emotes are a lot of fun too. : )
karakedi25: ./sing is fun--it's chittering
ArPharazonV: That hatchling's going to resent his name when he grows up.
karakedi25: He won't grow up. Peter Pan will envy him.
VardaValar1: Or be lke Little John in the Robin Hood band.
ArPharazonV: That works!
VardaValar1: Niben, Side-kick.
VardaValar1: 4 kicks this way, 4 that way.
karakedi25: That's it
ArPharazonV: Best sidekick you could wish for!
VardaValar1: ^^
karakedi25: and she's tough, too
karakedi25: similar to a lore-master pet; the spider is the LM of the creeps
VardaValar1: Fits you well, o Lore-master.
karakedi25: exactly
VardaValar1: In other LotRO news, we have a group of lower level folk who've been working up together, most recently in the Trollshaws near Echad Candelleth, and some others mid-range doing skirmishes.
VardaValar1: We also have a lot of folks joining up with other groups and/or pugs for higher level runs.
VardaValar1: People are trying to figure out how to set up for the changes coming in the next update.
VardaValar1: Rumors abound. : ) The test server, Bullroarer, is still in progress.
karakedi25: Actually they've been rather open about what to expect, and anyone can go onto Bullroarer to try it out and see what's coming.
VardaValar1: You don't require an invitation?
karakedi25: Not for Bullroarer.
VardaValar1: Did before. Thanks! I'll have to check that out. : )
AriehnV: oh my Guardian has started the class quest and been blundering through West Angmar in her usual style beating a few 52 sigs on the way ;-)
AriehnV: until she ran into some elites hehe
karakedi25: what level is she?
AriehnV: 48
karakedi25: guardians are tough and can handle over-level mobs
VardaValar1: A bit higher than our low level group that's running in the vicinity of 40.
AriehnV: :-D
VardaValar1: True
VardaValar1: Being a good player, good gear and traits really helps too.
AriehnV: anyway she is on the way to the right guy now i hope and through the danger danger zone
karakedi25: I made a guardian (now 85) and have a 37 champion in the works, but she's part of a static group, so she is leveling in tandem with them
VardaValar1: on to the next danger zone. : )
AriehnV: aye ^^
karakedi25: everything's a danger zone :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
karakedi25: OK folks, I'm going afk to change clothes and get ready to go out. Will check back before I leave. Fun chatting with you all.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
AriehnV: nice to see you too Indis :-)
ArPharazonV: Have fun, Indis!
AriehnV: have fun with your folks Indis
VardaValar1: Namarie!
AriehnV: and aiya Eonwe :-D
Eonwe Valar: Heya all.

AriehnV: and on the WoW front .. i know its a bit sneaky .. but i am officially now a Double Agent ^^
ArPharazonV: Aiya Eonwe!
VardaValar1: What is that, Arien?
AriehnV: having maximised a horde and Alliance toon
VardaValar1: heh, ok
ArPharazonV: Grats :-)
VardaValar1: We put our Horde and Alliance on different servers so we could max the types we could play.
AriehnV: I think its a nice achievemen t ;-)
VardaValar1: So we should keep one space free for another type on each server! heh
ArPharazonV: I think it's cross-server, Varda, so some of you might/will have it already from both servers.
VardaValar1: ohh!
AriehnV: yeah since i have alliance on Argent Dawn and Horde on Earthen Ring
Eonwe Valar: That achievement is obviously account-wide, hehe.
VardaValar1: Nice to know. : )
AriehnV: i believe else the patch is rumoured to come out this wednesday in europe
AriehnV: the Thunder King
ArPharazonV: It is. I've been working on finishing the chapter of the legendary quest from the current patch, in time for the new patch.
ArPharazonV: And finished it at the start of this meeting ;-)
AriehnV: :-)
Eonwe Valar: I'm still putting together the 6k VP, so no way I'll be done by Tuesday, heh.
AriehnV: oh yes and on Tuesday was it Phara\? my hunter ran into a very well known drood
ArPharazonV: Yes, that's the tricky bit. I managed to scrape the 6k together this week/reset, so I shouldn't have started a week later :-)
ArPharazonV: Oh?
AriehnV: aye at the whats it called the thingame front ..
AriehnV: sorry i dont do names as you should know :-D
AriehnV: where the alliance were landing
VardaValar1: Sauron just came home with Thin Mints from some Girl Scouts. Evil evil.
ArPharazonV: Ehrr... the one in Krasarang Wilds or in the first zone of the Jade Forest?
AriehnV: aye that one
AriehnV: for the dailies :-)
AriehnV: you showed me how to collect some interesting stones
AriehnV: Was quite nice actually to do them together for once
ArPharazonV: Ah, the one in Krasarang. Lion's Landing, I believe?
AriehnV: aye
ArPharazonV: Right! Was that this week?
AriehnV: aye it was this week or last depends on when you count the start
AriehnV: monday or sunday
VardaValar1: Names are a good thing to try to learn, or jot down when the memory goes. ^^
Eonwe Valar: Eowyn, Elwing, and I managed to get into a Sha of Anger group earlier in the week together. Got Eowyn her claw for a free pair of 476 boots, and some PvP item, hehe.
ArPharazonV: Well, with meetings from sunday to sunday, if it was last week, we should've reported it last week ;-)
VardaValar1: <--- forgets names too
VardaValar1: Nice, Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: It got mentioned anyway, thanks Phar. : )
VardaValar1: and Arien. : )
VardaValar1: Have you seen any of the other Valarites from Europe in WoW? Needing to see who's still with us for 2013.
ArPharazonV: Hmm, not lately.
VardaValar1: Really nothing they do with the group. Would love to see them drop in here or send something even once a year for the Tolkien Site, or say hi on the forum.
VardaValar1: On to Tolkien!
ArPharazonV: Well, Fladrif's around in the meetings often enough
ArPharazonV: but I don't remember seeing anyone else.
VardaValar1: Aye, he's beeen great. : )
VardaValar1: and he's added to the site.

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: This time we maike an attempt to stick to LotR, a challenge itself. : )
VardaValar1: We each get to ask a trivia question, doesn't have to be a stumper.
karakedi25: OK have to leave now, and enjoy the Tolkien part.
VardaValar1: Namarie Indis : ) Bon appetit!
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
karakedi25 has left the room.
VardaValar1: So Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Gwaihir, Varda (if we're present).
VardaValar1: Anyone can answer or make a group answer.
VardaValar1: Arien, fire when ready!
AriehnV: fire?
AriehnV: where?
VardaValar1: Go ahead and ask your trivia question.
ArPharazonV: *ducks*
VardaValar1: *tosses water*
AriehnV: brrrr
VardaValar1: *puts a shield wall over the group*
VardaValar1: This is for the fun of thinking about the story, not necessarily to stump.

AriehnV: ... hmmm all right .. When the hobbits left Bree and crossed into Midgewater moors they came past old ruins ... until they reached Weathertop where they were finally assaulted by four of the ringwraiths i think or was it five? .. How did the group fight them and what was the outcome?>
Eonwe Valar: They built up a fire.
ArPharazonV: Hmm. In the parody books they used Sam as a distraction when they made a run for it, but I don't think that's right...
ArPharazonV: I'll have to go with fighting them off with fire, yes. And looking at Frodo's shoulder, that could've gone better.
VardaValar1: Only the fire that was on Aragorn's torches ran off the Ringwraiths, as he took the fire to them. Fire was able to cross between the material world into the wraith world.
ArPharazonV: But then again it could've been a lot worse.
VardaValar1: Aye, the morgul blade could have turned Frodo into a wraith, if he had not been helped. Bad news for the Free People.
AriehnV: yes right .. ur all right :-D
AriehnV: but not quite complete .. aragorn bade them to stand with the back against the fire .. back to back
VardaValar1: ahh, forgot that.
AriehnV: defensive circle we call that in larpo
ArPharazonV: Make sure they can't creep up on you. Not a bad idea.
ArPharazonV: But if your enemy pushes you back a bit, you're *in* the fire.
VardaValar1: The fire is also acting as an offense.
AriehnV: sooo i guess Phara ur up next :-)
VardaValar1: Aye : )
ArPharazonV: At first I was going to ask for the 6 book titles for lotr, but the titles aren't really in the book itself...
ArPharazonV: so I'll go with

ArPharazonV: What was Frodo doing when he ended up with the Ring on his finger in Bree, and how did it happen?
VardaValar1: The titles are in the book in my copy.
ArPharazonV: All 6?
ArPharazonV: Didn't remember. Oh well!
VardaValar1: Maybe different copies are different.
Eonwe Valar: He was singing because Strider pointed out Pippin was getting awefully "talky".
Eonwe Valar: My copies only say "Book 1, Book 2" etc.
ArPharazonV: So do mine, I think.
Eonwe Valar: My copies are some 40 years old too, so...
VardaValar1: Sorry, thinking chapters.
VardaValar1: Go ahead Eonwe : )
ArPharazonV: Continue your answer, I want more detail ;-)
VardaValar1: The Books don't have titles inside, aye
VardaValar1: o dear, keep seing the movie in my head instead of the book. It's finally happened. /hanghead
ArPharazonV: Oh, I've had that for years.
VardaValar1: *time to reread again*
Eonwe Valar: Frodo stood up and started giving a small speech, someone called for a song, and he started performing one of Bilbo's songs. Everyone loved it, called for an encore, and he put more enthusiasm into this time.
ArPharazonV: The movies are more visual. I could reread LotR today (well, hypothetically) and the movie'd be back in my head tomorrow.
VardaValar1: Aye, Frodo tried to get attention off of Pippin by the Man in the Moon song was it?
AriehnV: well yes .. Merry and JPippin were getting friendly with some of the local hobbits
ArPharazonV: Correct so far!
VardaValar1: I run a movie in my head while reading. : )
Eonwe Valar: When he got to the part about the cow jumping over the moon, he fell back off the table, had his hand in his pocket, the ring slipped on, and he disappeared.
AriehnV: and Merry had some great success about a fat Mayoir
AriehnV: so he went on to the party report
ArPharazonV: Eonwe's answer accepted!
VardaValar1: He started dancing on the table, fell off, and the Ring went tricksy to reveal itself no doubt.
AriehnV: and trhats when Frodo got afraid he might mention the report
VardaValar1: So his hand was in his pocket, fingering the Ring. ahhh hah!
AriehnV: .. add on Eonwes answer ^^
ArPharazonV: Yep, it's not like in the movie where you can see the Ring spinning through the air and landing on his finger ;-)
VardaValar1: That was too visual really, obvious to all watching and an end to the secrecy.
ArPharazonV: Yes. Everyone watching should've seen the Ring at that point.
VardaValar1: Several times in the movie the Ring is too obvious.
ArPharazonV: Because it's a movie, no doubt. We need visible clues.
ArPharazonV: Otherwise, the Bilbo/Gollum scene should've taken place in almost complete darkness :-)
VardaValar1: Phar, let us know when you feel the question is answered.
ArPharazonV: I did, about 10 lines up.
VardaValar1: ah you did
VardaValar1: Eonwe, your turn. : )
ArPharazonV: Feel free to continue!
VardaValar1: ArPharazon-V: Eonwe's answer accepted!
ArPharazonV: Too vague, was it?
VardaValar1: lol - no : )
ArPharazonV: Or lost in the storm?
VardaValar1: Bilbo says hi. : )
ArPharazonV: Hi Bilbo!
AriehnV: say hi back :-)

Eonwe Valar: My question: What's the deal with Aragorn taking the Paths of the Dead?
ArPharazonV: To get reinforcements, in the form of the undead and the people of Gondor?
VardaValar1: He didn't want to - but he was in a hurry and could not wait until the muster of Rohan was ready. Riders coming from all over Rohan. Like Theoden said, they might only arrive in time to scare off the crows.
ArPharazonV: And yet, Aragorn arrived only after Theoden did.
VardaValar1: Reinforcements also from the Grey Company.
Eonwe Valar: What made him think he should, or even could?
VardaValar1: He stopped the Corsairs
ArPharazonV: That's true.
VardaValar1: When Eomer thought the Corsairs were sailing in, he thought they were lost.
AriehnV: and the undead where oathbreakers ... they had sworn fealty to Elendil when they were in trouble ... when he asked them to support him against Mordor they refused to follow the oath
VardaValar1: The ghosts helped scare the Corsairs off the boats, but did not come to Gondor.
AriehnV: in the film they did
VardaValar1: Film was wrong. : )
AriehnV: helped clear the landing site
ArPharazonV: In the book they went as far as the boats, in the film they went as far as Minas Tirith...
VardaValar1: The Oathbreakers were released after the boats were cleared.
ArPharazonV: and in the Battle for Middle-Earth game you can bring them to the Black Gate too ;-)
VardaValar1: They could only frighten
AriehnV: i think they would have caused a right panic if they had come to Minas Tirith
VardaValar1: Humans helped crew the Corsair boats
AriehnV: by deffenders and attackers alike
ArPharazonV: Quite a difference from the movie, yes. They weren't as much into the physical killing.
ArPharazonV: Still, they might've been able to help scare the orcs a little bit if they'd come to Minas Tirith, and the men of Gondor could abide them on the same boat :-)
Eonwe Valar: Just missing one part for the answer, and I'll be satisfied.
VardaValar1: Might have been worse against the defenders, but the Nazgul and orcs might not have been scared off by ghosts.
ArPharazonV: Hmm, what missing part could that be.
ArPharazonV: Stone of Erech?
VardaValar1: Aragorn was following a prophecy.
ArPharazonV: That's where the Oathbreakers swore their original allegiance and again pleaded their allegiance to Aragorn.
VardaValar1: He also needed to give the Oathbreakers their chance at redemption, perhaps because the Valar wished it. Otherwise he'd probably have been glad to skip them.
VardaValar1: He was told "Remember the Paths of the Dead" if he needed haste. Elrond sent that message with the Grey Company I think?
AriehnV: yes Elrond and Elrohir brought it
Eonwe Valar: And there is the missing part.
AriehnV: together with the black banner
VardaValar1: Elladan and Elrohir
Eonwe Valar: The prophecy, which Aragorn was reminded of by Elladan and Elrohir.
AriehnV: darn mistype ^^
ArPharazonV: Ah :-)
VardaValar1: Arwen sent the banner of his kingship, but that's not the part that sent him through the Paths
VardaValar1: Ok, so I have to remember the actual words of the prophecy? :-) heh
AriehnV: wasnt there a black one too?
AriehnV: for the dead?
ArPharazonV: And the dead keep it..
VardaValar1: Not sent with the Grey Company
VardaValar1: They had misty looking equipment. Aragorn was called the King of the Dead by the locals who saw them riding.
VardaValar1: Ok, you meant we got the missing part. : )
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: So my turn is up :}
VardaValar1: Thanks, Eonwe. : )
VardaValar1: Gwaihir, are you present?

VardaValar1: My question: At Gondor, what stopped the Lord of the Nazgul from entering the gate, and then what got him to leave the gate? (Different)
Eonwe Valar: Gandalf arrived at the gate, barring the way.
VardaValar1: Aye
ArPharazonV: And I'll go with the arrival of the Rohirrim for the second answer, the horn-blowing.
VardaValar1: Aye!
VardaValar1: He had to go handle another army coming in.
VardaValar1: Thanks for playing, everyone. : )
AriehnV: btw .. i found something that i thought i remembered in the chapter about the stone of erech
VardaValar1: Sounds interesting. Please go ahead.
AriehnV: "And with that he (Aragorn*) bade Halbard unfurl the great standard which he had brought and behold! it was black, and if there was any device upon it it weas hidden in the darkness "Q
AriehnV: from "The passing of the Grey Company" towards the end
AriehnV: so i wonder .. if the Grey Company didnt bring it.. who then?
ArPharazonV: A completely black banner for an army of ghosts inhabiting darkness. Seems fitting somehow.
VardaValar1: ok, located the description when it wasn't night time
VardaValar1: When the Corsairs came. It's right after the stave Eomer-king spoke.
VardaValar1: There flowered a White Tree...Seven Stars were about it, and a high crown above it
VardaValar1: The stars were of gems, the crown was of mithril and gold
ArPharazonV: So both banners are the same banner, it was just the description at night that was confusing?
VardaValar1: They reflected the light, aye. At night, they had nothing to reflect.
AriehnV: oh its the same?
VardaValar1: Kind of like the argument about "Legolas' dark head" in the pitch-black night, as a sillhouette against stars for the argument that he has dark hair.
VardaValar1: I like that things appear differently in the niight or in the day. Think it's on purpose. The night obscured things.
VardaValar1: It made the flag very fitting to each occasiion.
VardaValar1: (drop the extra i)
ArPharazonV: The darkness goes, and the stars appear :-)
VardaValar1: Nice!
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: That was so good, I hereby declare

VardaValar1: After-meeting
AriehnV: talking about which .. its absolutely beautiful and amazing .. the stars are out and the full moon causing bright
VardaValar1: Where you are?
VardaValar1: A soft dusk here.
AriehnV: Isle of Skye, Scotland .. betweeen here and the states is only the Isle of Lewis and a Rocky outcrop called Rockall i think \:-)
ArPharazonV: Hmm, what direction is the moon? I might take a look.
VardaValar1: The islands of Faery popping in and out of the water. : )
AriehnV: .ooh near midnight .. so it will be south
VardaValar1: Sounds gorgeous
ArPharazonV: Nahh, too cloudy here.
VardaValar1: awww
VardaValar1: Good thing we have Arien to tell us!
AriehnV: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: I need to leave the house, buy supplies.
VardaValar1: Spending time with you folks is a delight. Take care and namarie!
AriehnV: its just a touch too bright within the village to be really stunning but i guess a couple of miles towards the north it gets more intense
Eonwe Valar: Take care Varda :}
AriehnV: all right then Varda , enjoy
ArPharazonV: And I don't think the moon's position is dependent on the time of day alone, I've seen it on different sides at the same time of night ;-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Varda!
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AriehnV: always depends on where you are standing too .. nod
AriehnV: and trhe angle from which you look at it
AriehnV: ... and of course the point in space where our little rock is
ArPharazonV: Hmm, I assume that if it's south for you, it'll be south for me. The chances of it being otherwise are quite low, it'd have to be like... between us.
AriehnV: like that Meteor that crashed in Russia
AriehnV: .. if it had been four hours later it would have struck in North England
AriehnV: becase of the earths position
ArPharazonV: Lucky for you, unlucky for them, that it wasn't four hours later.
AriehnV: ever tried reading a starmap? is fun but really a bit irritating first hehe
ArPharazonV: I think I tried it, years ago.
ArPharazonV: But since they change with position on Earth and the position *of* Earth, the only one that would be somewhat realistic would be 3-dimensional ;-)
AriehnV: *och aye .. .. you have to kind of hold the starmap abouve your eyes and look at it from *underneath* to get the idea
AriehnV: or else be able to kind of *mirror * the starmap to the sky above
ArPharazonV: Yeah, that makes sense. But again, it'll change depending on location. North/south in any case.
Eonwe Valar: I'm going to log out of AIM now. Take care, good night, sleep well, and have fun :}
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
AriehnV: Namarie all
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
AriehnV: gn from me too
ArPharazonV: nn!
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