AriehnV: and yesterday i had an interesting meeting in Halls of Reflection i d like to mention]
AriehnV: through the dungeon findere there was a pali called Tinuviel in the group from Burning Legion server
AriehnV: and when i said *a Elbereth Tinuviel* she smiled and laughed ( i think u know the real version of this hehe)
AriehnV: aye a little gem since i get a wee bit frustrated with pve .. think i ll take a bit of a break there
VardaValar1: Bilbo, Sauron, Eowyn, Fangorn, Elwing, and Varda have been on - questing and in that dungeon tool you mentioned. :-)
VardaValar1: We quest together while in the queue.
VardaValar1: The Icecrown questing area reminds me of LotRO with its story moving along in the game as well, instancing.
VardaValar1: I suspect the Devs in both games play the other game a bit. If not, they should. And it makes both games better.
VardaValar1: We also saw Arwen and Arathorn. : )
ArPharazonV: well, we have seen them take features from each other
VardaValar1:
Uldaman
has been taking a back seat while we work up Lothar characters. We keep
swinging our focus back and forth between the two.
VardaValar1: Aye, good cross-pollination.
AriehnV: i think Turbine are and american sister company from blizzard
AriehnV: even the name suggests it
AriehnV: so it would make sense
VardaValar1: In
LotRO, Turbine distributes for the Americas and Codemaster distributes for Europe.
AriehnV: *nods go on*
VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: We are very lively all week.
VardaValar1: Today, the Melkorrim had their morning run, which they are willing to include others on.
karakedi25: increasing amounts of end-game play
VardaValar1: I came in the afternoon and we had
VardaValar1: two simultaneous three-man groups running Sword Halls three times at the same time, reporting to each other at the end.
karakedi25: That's an example of end-game play.
VardaValar1: I of course was in the group where no mithril flakes dropped, hehe, but we had plenty of great stuff.
VardaValar1: The Sword Halls are in Dol Guldur and need level 65's (cap).
VardaValar1: Indis, you wanted to speak? Go ahead.
karakedi25: good place for grinding the tokens needed for end-game items
karakedi25: so they're increasingly popular as our membership has more and more people at level cap
karakedi25: not sure how many now, but at least 10 and maybe more
karakedi25: (including alts)
VardaValar1: 14 last check
VardaValar1: more moving up.
karakedi25: I was in a group last night (not Valar) that attempted the real end-game dungeon, Barad Guldur.
karakedi25: We made it through great difficulties to the first boss, but it got too late for us to keep trying him after 2 wipes
karakedi25: but we will be back!
karakedi25: From a lore point of view, that's where the Lieutenant of DG hangs out, Kamul, I believe...
VardaValar1: DG-Dol Guldur
karakedi25: but lotro doesn't have the license to use his name
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VardaValar1: Khamul is the second-in-command of the Nazgul, right after the Witch-king.
AriehnV: its speculative anyway
karakedi25: As I remember, Kamul is the only name Tolkien gave; the others are indeed speculative
VardaValar1: Khamul, yes.
AriehnV: ah ok i mixed that up then .
ArPharazonV: yes, he was the only one named, in Unfinished Tales I believe
karakedi25:
anyway, this is a real challenge awaiting the Valar Guild when we are
adequately geared. That's what running the Sword Halls is in aid of.
ArPharazonV: the Easterling
VardaValar1: Also in aid of The Watcher and Dar Nalgub, which name I am butchering.
karakedi25: Dar Nargulub
VardaValar1: Most people say DN. ;-)
karakedi25: which is another very nasty dungeon in Moria
VardaValar1: Thanks. : )
VardaValar1: It's the top Moria dungeon.
ArPharazonV: also a completely made up name I suppose?
karakedi25: yes
karakedi25: The devs in LotRO use Hebrew for making up names in Khuzdul.
VardaValar1: Only a small section of Moria is told in the books, just where the Fellowship walked.
karakedi25: (and it's possible that Tolkien based Khuzdul on Hebrew in the first place)
VardaValar1: Do you have any basis for that?
VardaValar1: Speculation is fine. Just curious.
karakedi25: yes, a couple of things...one is that Melek, which occurs a lot in place names, means king in Hebrew.
karakedi25: the other is that I speculated with our dev who is the lore-monkey for lotro in a PM, and he confirmed that it was indeed so
VardaValar1: LotRO place name.s
VardaValar1: Very cool that he told you!
karakedi25: :-)
karakedi25: he made something of a mystery of it in the forum, so I PM'd him to check it out, and he confirmed my educated guess
VardaValar1: He confirmed that the Devs used Hebrew or JRRT?
karakedi25: devs
VardaValar1: That I can believe. : )
ArPharazonV: if he knew JRRT used it, I'd like to know his source ;-)
karakedi25: for what he called 'pseudo-Khuzdul'
VardaValar1: Aye, Phar.
karakedi25: but I believe JRRT may also have done so, but I need a source as well
karakedi25: unfortunately my Hebrew, which was never worth much, is now almost non-existent
AriehnV: weel it sais in my German new Elvish book that Khuzdul had something in common with hebrew
ArPharazonV:
would be hard to find a source for that, if he never stated his
inspiration we'll never get far beyond speculation, reasonable though
it might be
VardaValar1: Does it say JRRT said that?
karakedi25: I speculate that he used it as the base, but it's only speculation
AriehnV: its a similar structure .. three roots with various vowels to fill in
VardaValar1: I
remember something vaguely about it but don't want to repeat it when
it's that badly remembered, but it seemed like he wasn't that fond of
Hebrew.
VardaValar1: the language, but that is probably mis-remembering.
ArPharazonV: well he didn't develop Khuzdul very far ;-)
AriehnV: the word kh - z - d
AriehnV: Khazad
AriehnV: k z d being the roots
ArPharazonV: Khuzdul would have those roots too
karakedi25: yes, that's very characteristic of semitic languages (triliteral roots)
AriehnV: yesseveral words that have to with dwarvish things
AriehnV: also the name for nargothrond
AriehnV: Nullukhizzdin
AriehnV: which means subterranean dwarf fortress
karakedi25: khizzd being the portion that refers to dwarves with mutations
AriehnV: but what i wanted to say .. that the number value of those three roots is seven
AriehnV: same as hazid - the word for seven in hebrew
karakedi25: for the 7 fathers?
AriehnV: yes
karakedi25: certainly supports the supposition, doesn't it?
karakedi25: it's the kind of thing Tolkien would have done
AriehnV: just a wee excurse and roughly explained from what pesh writes in here
VardaValar1: Just
checking our language section in the Tolkien Site and finding that
Dwarvish has been neglected. We tend to jump over to the Ardalambion
for it.
karakedi25: there isn't very much around about it
VardaValar1:
http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/khuzdul.htm
karakedi25: that's probably enough about lotro from me, and it seems as though we're into Tolkien already
VardaValar1: We moved from LotRO to Tolkien languages.
karakedi25: yes, I'm aware of Ardalambion, a great site
VardaValar1: I let it go on into Tolkien.
VardaValar1: I am putting up the dwarvish link for those reading who may be interested.
VardaValar1: Do we wish to discuss the rp? Arien posted last time last Sunday.
VardaValar1: A nice bit of fighting there. : )
karakedi25: Arien, what's the name and author of the book you're reading?
karakedi25: sounds as though there's some good stuff there
TulkasValar61: Sorry
folk, I must depart. I have some pickerel, or walleye (as they are
called in the US) fresh out of the lake and on my counter just begging
to be fried up for supper..have a good one
VardaValar1: Namarie, Tulkas!
VardaValar1: Sounds great!
karakedi25: aw
karakedi25: enjoy your fish :-)
VardaValar1: We are pulling back from doing much on the
rp to give Eonwe a chance to post, when he gets time.
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VardaValar1: So I'm switching to
After-meeting to free people to leave or continue any chat. :-)
karakedi25: which means that Frali may be sitting on Estarion for a while.
VardaValar1: Did you read what Frali did?
karakedi25: you may want to be sure you have plenty of throwing axes
VardaValar1: He did more than sit.
karakedi25: yes
karakedi25: read above
VardaValar1: yep
VardaValar1: Ok, I'm taking off too.
VardaValar1: Namarie!
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karakedi25: I'll be going back into LotRO, but nice to 'see' you all
karakedi25: namarie
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AriehnV: Namarie :-)
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fladrifv: Namarie
ArPharazonV: namarie
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