September 9, 2007 Meeting
5pm EST (GMT - 5);
(GMT = 22:00)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
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Transcript work by: Arien (timed entries), Ar-Pharazon, and Varda
Attending: (12 or 13)
Members:
Aerandir-(V)/mordacil, Ancalagon-(V)/Sarujil,
Arathorn-(Valar)/mikenowo, Arien-(Valar)/AriehnV(presiding),
ArPharazonV, Arveleg-(V)/King Arveleg I, Elwing V, Eonwe Valar,
Fladrifv, GilraenV, Menelvagor Valar, VardaValar1
Guest: rienzi0711 (alt for Arveleg?)
Before-meeting
Meeting begins
Membership:
Web:
New story by Fladrif-(V)
New music poll on the Forum by Fladrif-(V)
Gaming:
StarCraft
Doom 3
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Archlord
WoW:
Argent Dawn server
Lothar server
Uldaman server:
LotRO:
Arathorn started the seven-day LotRO trial during the meeting
Kinship Recruiting Faire.
Tolkien:
Topic by Arien-(Valar): What
might have happened in the Brown Lands that they got devastated?
After-meeting:
WoW Lothar server gaming; LotRO Landroval server gaming
Before-meeting:
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Fladrifv has entered the room.
Fladrifv: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya all.
ArPharazonV: heya
mordacil has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Phar, I think Varda might be having some problems with her
DSl since she's not already here, and I'm about to be heading to the
movies with my family. Could you chair the meeting if Varda doesn't
make it in a couple of minutes?
ArPharazonV: I won't be here very long, I'm afraid
Eonwe Valar: Anyone else at the keyboard who could cover it?
Fladrifv: uhm...
Fladrifv: I can be backup if needed
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Fladrif.
Eonwe Valar: You've been to enough meetings, I think you know the format by now.
Fladrifv: :-)
Eonwe Valar: Of course, let me know now if I'm assuming too much :}
mikenowo: Heya.. been a while since I been here ;-P
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arathorn :}
mikenowo: Just downloaded LOTRo 7 day trial and trying it out today
Eonwe Valar: Cool.
mikenowo: was wondering if anyone else is using it lately
ArPharazonV: Arathorn! That was it....
Eonwe Valar: We have a guild branch set up on LotRO, Landroval server.
mikenowo: I was told Landroval is the serevr some Valars are on?
ArPharazonV: I knew the name was familiar
mikenowo: ahh nice.. I set up a few chars and trying out the classes
Eonwe Valar: Unfortunately, you can only have 5 characters per server.
mikenowo: is theer a guild friend type channel too?
Eonwe Valar: They don't have that function, unfortunately.
mikenowo: yeah I noticed teh 5 char limit
mikenowo: hmm wondering how I'd see if any valar guild members are online?
Eonwe Valar: You can use the LotRO player table on the Games Page to
try and find some of the names for as many of the guild members as I
can keep track of through the guild roster there.
Eonwe Valar: just use that as a basis and try /who ing them is the best I can suggest.
mikenowo: ok, in WoW you can do a /who valar and get a list of guild names chars online... was wodnering if teh same here
Eonwe Valar: think you might be able to try searching by kinship name as well.
Eonwe Valar: I think there is, aye.
mikenowo: what is the full guild name.. just "Valar"?
Eonwe Valar: Pretty sure we went with "Valar Guild" in LotRO as well.
mikenowo: okie
Elwing V has entered the room.
mikenowo: Ive got a few arathornv and haranv etc chars Im testing now ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I'm hoping Varda makes it tonight, but as I said I suspect she is having DSL issues.
Eonwe Valar: I enjoy the Champion myself, when I can play it on dial-up anyway :}
ArPharazonV: hey, is Haran still coming back in the rp? :-)
mikenowo: I started with teh rogue type char.. lore master looks interesting too
mikenowo: Im not around much on Sundays lately.. popped in today tho
Eonwe Valar: Fladrif, go ahead and start the meeting, I don't want to keep everyone too long.
Eonwe Valar: Glad you stopped by :}
AriehnV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Ah, here's Arien :}
AriehnV: Aiya there :-)
AriehnV: I just updated my bs training
AriehnV: 212 now
Fladrifv: Aiya Arienh
Eonwe Valar: If Arien's willing and you want to pass the buck, Fladrif,
we can have Arien do the meeting, since she's a Maia a supposed to be
on call :}
Fladrifv: you want to lead the meeting instead?
AriehnV: oooh i ve never done it before
Eonwe Valar: And she's come to meetings as well :}
Fladrifv: aye
Fladrifv: Then this is a good day to start
ArPharazonV: *nod* let the highest rank take the lead!
Fladrifv: Ariehn hereby ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Arien, I'll need you to record the attendance as well as a transcript and send it to both Varda and myself please.
AriehnV: *sigh* you wanted it :-)
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AriehnV: maybe we can keep this short then
Eonwe Valar: Varda's having DSL issues, and I have to go in two minutes ago ;}
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AriehnV: Elen sila lumenn omentielvo!
ArPharazonV: have fun, Eonwe!
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
AriehnV: Membership news:
Eonwe Valar: *Beline, not BVeline
Eonwe Valar: pardon, miswhisper.
Eonwe Valar: Take care all :}
AriehnV: unfortunately Eonwe and Varda cannot be present today , which is why we find myself in this rather unusual position
AriehnV: you too Eonwe :-)
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
AriehnV: i personally dont have any membership news but maybe one of you?
ArPharazonV: college started this week!
ArPharazonV: other than that, not really
Fladrifv: So did it for me
AriehnV: schools and colleges are back on in Europe and in the uk as well
Elwing V: I try to be on WoW (Uldaman) Wed night - this past I did not
see any other guild members (there is always a chance I could miss the
"pop-in" alert tho)
AriehnV: can you put that in gaming elwing?
Elwing V: sure :}
AriehnV: on the more personal side here the drama with bruces car is continuing
rienzi0711 has left the room.
AriehnV: just as a wee note ... the motor had to be replaced and he had a courtesy car for two weeks
AriehnV: now after he had it ten days his fuel tank is leaking and the garage gave him a tin box
AriehnV: but other than that we are all right :-)
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AriehnV: Web news:
AriehnV: Fladrif has got a story on the web site :-)
AriehnV: here is the link
AriehnV: http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/encyc/fiction/authors/Fladrif/Fladrif.htm
AriehnV: Roots up - an Ents tale
AriehnV: I will have a look at it later :-)
AriehnV: He has a music poll on the forum as well , so please take an active part in it :-)
AriehnV: Our Ent has been fairly busy it seems
Fladrifv: I might become hasty ....
ArPharazonV: *grin*
Elwing V: How un-Entish! ;-)
AriehnV: he grows backwards maybe and becomes younger
AriehnV: ;-)
AriehnV: sorry grows younger
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AriehnV: gaming news:
AriehnV: has anyone played other games than WoW or LortO this week?
Elwing V: you mean there are others?!
mordacil: heh, starcraft
Fladrifv: too many :-)
AriehnV: hehe
ArPharazonV: just some flashgames on the interenet
mikenowo: Doom3, Return to Castle WOlfenstein ;-)
AriehnV: Never heard about that one
AriehnV: can you tell us a bit shortly?
Fladrifv: I played wolfenstein ;-)
ArPharazonV: and some introduction games in my college, but those weren't online!
mikenowo: just got the 7 day trial downloaded for LOTRo yesterday.. just trying it out today
mordacil: what is LOTRo?
mordacil: like WOW?
AriehnV: Lortd of the rings Online
ArPharazonV: yeah, same genre as WoW
Elwing V: lovely graphics - I get to play a bit as Varda's guest when I visit
AriehnV: similar in gameplay but its Middlearth based and , background is the growing army of the witch king
mikenowo: I was wondering if anyone here is playing it on teh Lanvroval server.. see if I can get any pointers today ;-)
AriehnV: but can we stay on other games first ;-)
Elwing V: perhaps not quite the variance of inhabitants as WOW, but you
"know" the characters better (I think) and that makes it a bit more
intense play
mikenowo: I like that it runs fairly well on my 1.3 Ghz machine.. thought it wouldnt
AriehnV: Fladrif , you were trying out Archlord weerrent you?
AriehnV: or wanted to
Fladrifv: well I did half
Fladrifv: I managed to download it but did not yet further test it
AriehnV: i started the download last week but it is a rather lagrge file
AriehnV: i will see maybe i try it again this coming week
GilraenV has entered the room.
Fladrifv: maybe I have some time to actual test it this week
GilraenV: Aiya all. Sorry I'm late :-)
AriehnV: aya Gilraen :-)
Elwing V: Aiya
AriehnV: No worries .. this is a rather unusual constellation , gilraen since both Varda and Eonwe are not here today
King Arveleg I has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
AriehnV: so you have to make do with me as moderator :_)
AriehnV: and greetings your majesty *bows*
Menelvagor Valar: Tihi, thanks.
AriehnV: *laughs*
King Arveleg I: [System Message] User is not available.
AriehnV: aiya Menel :-)
King Arveleg I: [System Message] User is not available.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
King Arveleg I: [System Message] User is not available.
AriehnV: we have come to gaming news so far @
King Arveleg I: [System Message] User is not available.
King Arveleg I has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Well, I just got in to check and say hi.
Fladrifv: hi back
Menelvagor Valar: I am rather tired and I have class to attend to tomorrow morning.
AriehnV: good to see you though :-)
Menelvagor Valar: And since it's the first class on monday in a long while, I want to be asleep early.
ArPharazonV: how'd Mag go?
AriehnV: very sensible , Menelvagor . I hope you have a good day
AriehnV: shall we go over to WoW then?
AriehnV: then Menelvagor can report in peace :-)
Menelvagor Valar: heh, just been raiding a lot.
AriehnV: nice one 0
AriehnV: I am missing that :-) but it wont be long .. with a bit of luckl about a month or less
Menelvagor Valar: If you get to 70 fast enough, I need a healadin.
AriehnV: trying to trying to
Menelvagor Valar: I know you are :-)
AriehnV: She is nearly fifty
AriehnV: so maybe :-)
AriehnV: on the guild questing side Aeremethar,
Valandiles Paladin and Urwendi , aforementioned Healadin , have been
paying a visit to the ogres at the ruins of Isilden and the Yetis in
Rage Scar Hold
AriehnV: Aeremethar seemed to be fairly tired and fell asleep a couple
of times so the brave lady stood her ground and defended him
successfully against marauding intruders
Menelvagor Valar: Well done!
Menelvagor Valar: Anyways, I am off to bed now.
AriehnV: sleep well , mellon amin
Menelvagor Valar: Good night, sleep tight and see you around.
AriehnV: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar has left the room.
AriehnV: thus endeth my report
AriehnV has left the room.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: sorry back
AriehnV: just clodsed the wrong window
AriehnV: Phara can you save the file for eonwe after trhe meeting is finsished?
ArPharazonV: I'll save the first bit, have to go in a few minutes
AriehnV: ok thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: you'll have to get the rest, or ask Fladrif or Ancalagon or anyone else to do it
AriehnV: ok i dont think we will be long anyway
AriehnV: For Lothar there is no report as Eonwe forgot to type one but
he mentioned in a whisper there was some guildquesting going on
AriehnV: where he was joined by Beleg [note Beline, guild-friend]
AriehnV: but he will have to fill in with that as i am sure he will type it and put it on the forum
AriehnV: Elwing, you wanted to add something?
Elwing V: deja vu -- I was in Uldaman awhile Wed night but did not notice other guild members on at the same time
Elwing V: note the "notice" for my attention is not always caught by the "pop-in" :-)
Elwing V: also I was only on for about 3 hrs
mikenowo: varda just signed on
ArPharazonV: great
ArPharazonV: invited her
AriehnV: nice one :-)
AriehnV: ah that happens sometimes
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
AriehnV: I hope Varda will drop in for the Uldaman report but i wouldnt count on it
Elwing V: welcome!
ArPharazonV: Aiya
AriehnV: aiya there :-)
AriehnV: /
VardaValar1: DSL just came up for a while. Repairman was just here and said to buy a new box
AriehnV: ouch
VardaValar1: Pulled this comp out of a pile and it worked. Lucky to be online.
Elwing V: they should give guarantees on those
mikenowo: ha.. that happened to me a few weeks ago.. got a new one in the mail
VardaValar1: They said it was 7 years old
mikenowo: Mine was from 2000 :-P
mikenowo: SO Varda I was just saing that Im trying out LOTRo 7 day trial today ;-)
VardaValar1: Been a while, Arathorn. Good to see you again
VardaValar1: Cool :-)
VardaValar1: Did you go on Landroval?
mikenowo: I.m on Landroval .. just trying to see if any one else will be on ;-)
mikenowo: yipyip
VardaValar1: Who is presiding? I sailed in and broke things up unintentionally.
AriehnV: Me i am presiding
AriehnV: as novelty Maia :-)
VardaValar1: Thank you, Arien. I'll go to side window and let you get on with business. : )
VardaValar1: Novelty?
AriehnV: well i never presided a meeting
AriehnV: so it is a novelty for me
VardaValar1: hehe - now you will be experienced!
AriehnV: we were just finishing off with the gaming reports for wow anyway
ArPharazonV: Varda, Arien left the meeting for a few moments, so I'll
have to get the first part of the transcript, can you get it from here
just in case?
AriehnV: aye it was a misclick on my side and i closed the window
AriehnV: was pure accident
ArPharazonV: we know, but still, in case it happens again ;-)
AriehnV: Elwing had been on Uldaman on wednesday but she didnt find any otrher guild members online at the time
AriehnV: so she finshed with that report
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mikenowo has entered the room.
AriehnV: any reports for Lotro?
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mikenowo: grr lan cable popped out L:-\
Elwing V: this thing makes weirdest noises sometimes...
AriehnV: Ancalagon, do you have any LotrO report?
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
AriehnV: Aiyata
VardaValar1: Sure glad you're running this and not me. Can't keep a connection.
VardaValar1: Hantal
AriehnV: there dont seem to be many reports today
AriehnV: Varda, can you fill in with the LotrO report\>
VardaValar1: /bows
VardaValar1: LotRO has been busy all week.
VardaValar1: I went in for my first Ettenmoors run on a record-breaking day
VardaValar1: More Free People there than ever before and for the first time we took over the map. :-)
VardaValar1: Valar was well-represented, a lot of high levels.
VardaValar1: Also, much questing and leveling together all week.
VardaValar1: We attended a special event yesterday
VardaValar1: where kinships spoke to others and could recruit.
VardaValar1: A number of people expressed interest, and we'll see what comes of it.
Elwing V: kind of like a job fair :}
AriehnV: nice one :-)
Elwing V: give your resume, and we'll look it over and give you a call... ;-)
AriehnV: thank you , Varda and Elwing
AriehnV: the official business part is over now - it is tolkien time :-)
AriehnV: Does anyone have any topic for tonight?
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mikenowo: Ook... I'm heading back into LOTRo .. see if my sound is
working better (movies come out choppy).. if anyone wants to look me up
Ill be on an arathorn* or haran* char ;-)
VardaValar1: Aiya
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AriehnV: Nice to see you , Arathorn and well met
VardaValar1: Arathorn, we would like to see you, chekc the forum for our names
AriehnV: say hellow over there
mikenowo: ok.. a quick q tho..
VardaValar1: Sarujil is Ancalagon
VardaValar1: fast before I crash!
mikenowo: is there an inn to rest inn and mail like in WoW?
ArPharazonV: Also, come back to the rp!
VardaValar1: We need you in the rp too
VardaValar1: Not quite the same but close. Mail is about the same.
mikenowo: I havent been around much on Sundays but if I decide to go a bit longr with LOTRo I may be ;-)
VardaValar1: You need a broadband connection and great video card to really enjoy it
VardaValar1: We would love to have you come in
VardaValar1: Anc, are you in LotRO where you could help him out?
VardaValar1: I can hardly stay connected
mikenowo: It seems to run fairly well on my PC didnt think it would
Sarujil: im not in there right now but i think fin and belleg might be
AriehnV: it would be nice to have another lowbie character hanging
around :-) I feel a bit out of place there since all are soo high levels
VardaValar1: We have low levels too
Fladrifv has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Fladrif
Fladrifv: Im back
AriehnV: aiyata :-)
Fladrifv: Aiya Varda
AriehnV: then i would suggest before we force the meeting to go on and have the great big silence we will call it for tonight
VardaValar1: o sorry, side windows
VardaValar1: did you do the Web report?
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VardaValar1: or Tolkien?
Sarujil: we could always discuss anc's riddle :-D
AriehnV: did web report and was about to come to toliend but i dont have a problem
AriehnV: err topic
AriehnV: tolkien
Fladrifv: as long as you have no problem ;-)
VardaValar1: One thing is to use a favorite quote.
VardaValar1: Then tangent off of it.
AriehnV: go on anc :-)
VardaValar1: Anc may be helping Arathorn on LotRO now
VardaValar1: Who all is still here?
AriehnV: I
Sarujil: im helping arathorn but on a separate computer
Elwing V: me
Fladrifv: *raises finger*
Sarujil: so im mostly here
AriehnV: oh i just had an idea
VardaValar1: One of the things I really like about Tolkien is his use of language.
AriehnV: for a topic
VardaValar1: It's your meeting. Fire away :-)
AriehnV: hehe
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ArPharazonV: I'm about to leave, so...
ArPharazonV: will save and send
AriehnV: i have to admit this will be a bit of a flapping around since
tolkien himself did not write anything about what happened there
AriehnV: but it was always of interest to me and certainly to many what
might have happened in the Brown Lands that they got devastated
VardaValar1: The Brown Lands before were the place where the Entwives had their gardens and trained Man in farming.
AriehnV: Ok , ar pharazon , thank you for being here and for saving the meeting so far :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar
Fladrifv has entered the room.
Fladrifv: stability all over...:-(
VardaValar1: Aiya Ent : )
AriehnV: so it was definitely the Entwives that taught menkind and not the Elves>?#
VardaValar1: I feel for you : )
ArPharazonV: wasn't it the Numenoreans who taught Men in Middle-earth about corn etc?
VardaValar1: They also taught Men, but that is what was going on there.
VardaValar1: The Entwives were growing crops and taught humans who were in that area.
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VardaValar1: They were not the only teachers, right.
ArPharazonV (23:33:36): saved
VardaValar1 (23:33:45): Yay Phar!
Fladrifv (23:34:32): can someone updateme on the topic
Fladrifv (23:34:35): missed that part
AriehnV (23:34:40): ok we have established what the brown lands used to be like before they were destroyed
ArPharazonV (23:34:46): someone else has to get the rest! *glares at Varda, Arien, Fladrif, Ancalagon, and others*
VardaValar1 (23:35:10): This comp can make an attempt. It was just resurrected from the great pile of computer parts.
AriehnV (23:35:26): *loook for another job, human .. there are enough heroes already * - *glares back*
AriehnV (23:35:52): *grins wickedly * - i will save it , phara
VardaValar1 (23:35:56): We do need another transcripter though
VardaValar1 (23:36:03): Thanks, Arien
VardaValar1 (23:36:27): Don't have my books with me, but
AriehnV (23:36:43): the topic is the Brown Lands, fladrif and what happened or might have happened to them
VardaValar1 (23:36:44): the Brown Lands were attacked to stop all that sort of activity.
VardaValar1 (23:37:05): Then Entwives were not destroyed completely as might be expected, but headed west.
Fladrifv (23:37:07): ok thanks Arie
VardaValar1 (23:37:23): What happened to them next was lost to the knowledge of the Ents.
Sarujil (23:37:23): supposedly the brown lands were destroyed during the first war with sauron
Elwing V (23:38:33): were Entwives more like tree or person (in appearance)?
AriehnV (23:39:23): I am not sure ... but Fangorn hints to merry and Pippin they were more like People
AriehnV (23:39:30): more humanoid than the Ents
AriehnV (23:39:43): hold on ...
VardaValar1 (23:40:03): They had a more aged look happening during that time
VardaValar1 (23:40:17): Fangorn tells about it, but I don't have my books atm
Sarujil (23:40:38): they certainly had a more man-like mentality, with their desire for mastery over things
VardaValar1 (23:40:44): Right
mordacil (23:40:54): most of the description goes into how their thinking differs from the male ents
VardaValar1 (23:40:58): Alien to the Ents who liked their trees to stay wild
VardaValar1 (23:41:24): True
Elwing V (23:42:04): just thinking - if some Ents were becoming more
"tree-ish" maybe entwives became more "humanish" and eventually were
integrated into human society
VardaValar1 (23:42:21): They were in the way of teachers at that time
VardaValar1 (23:42:31): but not after, as they fled
VardaValar1 (23:42:41): but since they went west, they may have been near the Shire.
VardaValar1 (23:43:04): They could have been a source of those walking tree stories there.
VardaValar1 (23:43:25): Fangorn said the entwives would have been attracted to the Shire
ArPharazonV (23:43:25): anyone seen any humans looking like trees then?
mordacil (23:43:28): only old people
VardaValar1 (23:43:33): Some very tall and strong. : )
VardaValar1 (23:43:59): Cool, humans turn treeish with age!
mordacil (23:44:08): yep
VardaValar1 (23:44:21): Not a bad fate.
mordacil (23:44:27): if the entwives are there, they are probably handing around bombadils domain
mordacil (23:44:32): *hanging
VardaValar1 (23:44:38): Quite likely.
ArPharazonV (23:44:48): ah, yes, Fladrif told me about that bit in his story, which you edited out?
ArPharazonV (23:44:55): old man willow is Fladrif's wife or something? what was it?
VardaValar1 (23:44:56): I did?
AriehnV (23:45:10): just had a scan through the book in the passage concerned
VardaValar1 (23:45:12): I left in the willow lady
ArPharazonV (23:45:22): hmm.. will have to reread again
AriehnV (23:45:25): but there is no hint about the looks
AriehnV (23:45:29): just the mentality
Elwing V (23:45:45): I think that would be Old Lady Willow
VardaValar1 (23:45:49): More than one place they are mentioned. Tolkien is like that. : )
VardaValar1 (23:45:51): hehe
VardaValar1 (23:46:12): Drives us crazy looking up things. : )
ArPharazonV (23:46:15): yeah, makes it hard for us to get source material for our discussions :P
VardaValar1 (23:46:51): Anyone else looking it up? I can run upstairs and push things around and get my books. : )
ArPharazonV (23:48:01): it is sent
ArPharazonV (23:48:03): so I'm outta here!
ArPharazonV (23:48:21): gotta rise and shine in less than 5 hours
ArPharazonV (23:48:41): Namarie
ArPharazonV (23:48:50): it's tiring, life of a king...
VardaValar1 (23:48:56): hehe
AriehnV (23:48:57): Namarie Phara
VardaValar1 (23:48:58): Namarie!
Elwing V (23:49:00): namarie - get that beauty rest!
ArPharazonV (23:49:08) has left the room.
AriehnV (23:49:56): hmm what other books have them mentioned?
VardaValar1 (23:50:22): Just found out Fladrif may have sent a different version of his story than he thought.
AriehnV (23:51:45): how that?
AriehnV (23:52:52): the Passage in LotR mentions that the entwives were
different to the ents, gave their love to things that grow, shrubs and
fruit
AriehnV (23:52:59): but nothing about the looks
VardaValar1 (23:54:21): ok, what chapter are you in?
Elwing V (23:55:12): my "guide to ME" just says treeherds were spirits
put into trees by Yvanna, and has entwives just behaving different, so
I'm thinking they at least started out appearing mostly "treeish"
VardaValar1 (23:55:49): Aye, Elwing.
AriehnV (23:56:20): I had a look at Chapter four in book three
AriehnV (23:56:37): the one which is entitled *treebeard*]
VardaValar1 (23:56:56): ok, heading upstairs for books
Fladrifv (23:59:21): ok Im heading to my 'bed' as far as we ents have that
Elwing V (23:59:29): maybe Yvanna smuggled the entwives back to her own gardens at some point
Elwing V (23:59:47): bed of mulch :}
VardaValar1 (23:59:53): back. Earlier in LotRO report, cut off before
telling that Alatar decided to return to WoW due to problems with Vista
and LotRO apparently.
VardaValar1 (23:59:58): Nighty night, Ent : )
AriehnV (23:59:59): `ok rest well, Ent
Fladrifv (00:00:17): Namarie all and find my ent wife back!
VardaValar1 (00:00:29): She wants you to say her way is best. ; )
Fladrifv (00:01:06): *hooom boom grmblz*
Elwing V (00:01:23): that must translate to "zzzzzzz"
AriehnV (00:01:40): /chuckle
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VardaValar1 (00:04:26): I liked the grmblz on the end.
AriehnV (00:04:26): unfortunately i dont have the more research
related works of tolkien like *me * or whatever else you are usng
.. so i have to rely on the books themselves
AriehnV (00:04:35): and there is not much information
VardaValar1 (00:04:40): Digging now
VardaValar1 (00:04:51): I mostly use the originals, Arien
Elwing V (00:05:04): you know, for most the "zzz" would be "sawing logs" - that just doesn't seem right for an Ent!
Elwing V (00:06:50): wonder what homile they would use instead....
VardaValar1 (00:07:43): Lots of bits in here.
VardaValar1 (00:08:29): "You never see any, hm, any Ents around there,
do you?" he asked. "Well, not Ents. Entwives I should really say."
VardaValar1 (00:08:43): "Entwives? said Pippin. "Are they like you at all?"
VardaValar1 (00:09:33): "Yes, hm, well, no; I do not really know now,
"said Treebeard thoughtfully. "But they would like your country, so I
just wondered."
VardaValar1 (00:09:55): subject changes then.
Elwing V (00:10:26): so he doesn't know if they have changed much over the long years...interesting
VardaValar1 (00:12:30): "When the world was young, and the woods were
wide and wild, the Ents and the Entwives...walked together and they
housed together.
VardaValar1 (00:13:00): "But our hearts did not go on growing in the same way..."
VardaValar1 (00:13:33): z
VardaValar1 (00:13:35): z
VardaValar1 (00:13:40): heh pardon
Elwing V (00:14:17): cat napping on us? :}
VardaValar1 (00:14:24): "After the Darkness was overthrown the land of
the Entwives blossomed richly, and their fields were full of corn.
VardaValar1 (00:15:04): "Many men learned the crafts of the Entwives
and honored them greatly; but we were only a legend to them..."
VardaValar1 (00:15:54): "Yet here we still are, while all the gardens
of the Entwives are wasted: Men call them the Brown Lands now.
VardaValar1 (00:16:16): Then Fangorn sees Fimbrethil again
VardaValar1 (00:16:56): "Very fair she was still in my eyes, when I had last seen her, though little like the Entmaiden of old.
VardaValar1 (00:17:27): "For the Entwives were bent and browned by their labour; their hair parched by the sun
VardaValar1 (00:17:45): "to the hue of ripe corn and their cheeks like red apples.
VardaValar1 (00:18:05): "Yet their eyes were still the eyes of our own people."
Elwing V (00:18:19): sounds a bit more humanish to me, as the time passed
VardaValar1 (00:18:36): About what happened to them:
AriehnV (00:18:55): aye it does .... did not read the chapter far enough
VardaValar1 (00:18:57): War had passed over their land
VardaValar1 (00:19:13): "But the Entwives were not there.
VardaValar1 (00:19:50): "Long we called, and long we searched; and we
asked all folk that we met which way the Entwives had gone.
VardaValar1 (00:20:29): "Some said they had never seen them; and some
said that they had seen them walking away west, and some said east, and
others south.
VardaValar1 (00:20:49): "But nowhere that we went could we find them."
Elwing V (00:21:21): so a couple of possibilities...
Elwing V (00:21:56): one: they seemed more humanlike, maybe like elderly "mothers" that were taken in and cared for by humans
VardaValar1 (00:22:40): In the elvish song that Fangorn tells, the Ents
and Entwives will be reunited eventually and go together into the West.
Elwing V (00:22:45): or 2: maybe they found a nice place to "take root" and became mostly or wholly treeish
Elwing V (00:23:25): the spirits that inhabit them would either leave
(back to Yvanna I guess) or maybe just go into a hibernation sort of
existence
Elwing V (00:23:44): then they would surely seem like ordinary trees to most people
Elwing V (00:24:01): so it would be hard for the Ents to get word of them
VardaValar1 (00:24:56): "Entwife: When Winter comes, and singing ends; when darkness falls at last;
VardaValar1 (00:25:20): "When broken is the barren bough, and light and labour past;
VardaValar1 (00:25:45): "I'll look for thee, and wait for thee, until we meet again:
VardaValar1 (00:26:06): "Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
VardaValar1 (00:26:39): sorry, jumped a line
VardaValar1 (00:27:17): Entwife: "Together we will take the road beneath the bitter rain"
VardaValar1 (00:27:41): Both: Together we will take the road that leads into the West,
VardaValar1 (00:28:08): "And far away will find a land where both our hearts may rest."
VardaValar1 (00:28:11): End
VardaValar1 (00:28:19): but that is Elvish poetry.
VardaValar1 (00:28:46): The only part that Fangorn takes issue with is that the Ents could have said more on their side.
Elwing V (00:29:01): **sniff** Sounds like she hopes they'll get back to Valinor, and the "undying gardens" :}
VardaValar1 (00:29:16): Aye.
AriehnV (00:29:33): it certainly hints like that
VardaValar1 (00:30:09): A place that can handle both their loves.
VardaValar1 (00:30:27): A safe place where the Enemy does not tear up their lands.
AriehnV (00:30:30): and if have Celeborns word at his words of goodbye
to Treabard in mind correctly it is there and then that they
might meet again
Elwing V (00:30:53): interesting verse "broken is the barren bough" -
wonder if that means they could have entlings again (which for some
reason wasn't possible at the time they were "estranged")
VardaValar1 (00:31:56): More on it is in the Silmarillion
VardaValar1 (00:31:59): Aule and Yavanna
VardaValar1 (00:32:12): Thanks, Arien
VardaValar1 (00:32:41): They were separated and aging
VardaValar1 (00:33:52): In "Of Aule and Yavanna" it speaks of ents
VardaValar1 (00:34:07): or at least shepherds o
VardaValar1 (00:34:16): pardon, not by that name.
VardaValar1 (00:34:49): It says they will be there "For a time:
VardaValar1 (00:35:13): "while the Firstborn are in their power, and while the Secondborn are young."
VardaValar1 (00:35:50): Here's a timing thing I missed before on eagles
VardaValar1 (00:36:22): "...before the Children awake there shall go
forth with sings like the wind the Eagles of the Lords of the West."
VardaValar1 (00:36:49): So the eagles came first
VardaValar1 (00:36:57): The ents came later, as it says
VardaValar1 (00:37:34): "When the Children awake, then the thought of
Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar,
VardaValar1 (00:37:52): "and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar,
AriehnV (00:37:54): aye just got that passage out
VardaValar1 (00:38:38): "and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared."
VardaValar1 (00:38:57): Kelvar and olvar. hmm
AriehnV (00:39:30): Kelvar - beasts and olvar - plants?
VardaValar1 (00:39:35): "But in the forests shall walk the Shepherds of the Trees."
VardaValar1 (00:40:46): aye, Kelvar are plants
AriehnV (00:41:01): ok other way round lol
AriehnV (00:41:06): ta
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VardaValar1 (00:41:16): arg
VardaValar1 (00:41:22): Aye, Kelvar are animals.
VardaValar1 (00:41:44): I typoed : )
VardaValar1 (00:42:02): So, feel as if we covered the topic? : )
Elwing V (00:42:28): I say we put a good dent in it :}
VardaValar1 (00:42:31): hehe
AriehnV (00:42:32): fairly indeed
VardaValar1 (00:42:46): Want to call it a wrap, Arien?
AriehnV (00:42:53): i thank you all for your attendance and participation , friends
VardaValar1 (00:42:58): Elwing needs her supper and you need sleep!
AriehnV (00:43:09): sleep who needs that ;0
VardaValar1 (00:43:11): Thank you, Arien, for handling this.
VardaValar1 (00:43:13): You!
Elwing V (00:43:16): Hee
AriehnV (00:43:18): hehe
VardaValar1 (00:43:24): If not, you can jump on LotRO!
AriehnV (00:43:32): so i declare this meeting for closed
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After-meeting:
VardaValar1 (00:43:35): I can't do that, as Sauron has the LotRO comp. : )
Elwing V (00:43:45): that evil being!
VardaValar1 (00:43:49): Right : )
VardaValar1 (00:44:05): Are you still in WoW with Fangorn and Sauron, Elwing?
VardaValar1 (00:44:20): I might slip back in. Check on your warrior in a bit. : )
Elwing V (00:44:36): in Wow, mixing up various chars :}
VardaValar1 (00:44:39): My priest is exploring and questing right where you are.
VardaValar1 (00:44:43): hehe
Elwing V (00:44:59): we could jog around a bit together :}
VardaValar1 (00:45:13): Ok, grab a bite and I'll try to keep a connection : )
VardaValar1 (00:45:25): See you there!
Elwing V (00:45:30): k, see you soon :}
VardaValar1 (00:45:34): =)
Elwing V (00:45:49): namarie all
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VardaValar1 (00:48:41): Namarie!
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