October 31, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST (no longer Daylight Savings Time)
Back to News
Transcript team: ArPharazon, Turgon,
Varda
Before-meeting
Letter to Tolkien Encyc
showing some problems. Worked on and solved some.
Hobbit: map confusion and
solved it
Meeting Begins (formally anyway)
Membership News:
Arathorn
Embla-(TV) - reports on New
Zealand's LotR filming sites
Fladrif
Luthien Tindomeral-V in TFT
Web News:
Beren's Lore Book
bad news
Tolkien Encyclopedia:
Articles:
New section: Fellowship
Ori
Help locating bad
links needed while Encyc is undergoing re-build, all articles and
authors getting their own pages. Gilraen and Eonwe have been helping.
Gaming News:
State of
Valar Gaming Report text on News
Azure Dreams. In
After-meeting
BroodWar: Orodreth. In
After-meeting
Gilraen's Role-playing game.
New characters can now enter.
Guild Wars Beta
Interplay: included LotR
games. In After-meeting
Middle-earth Online
Role-playing game on our Forum. Good spot now for Mirkwood Elf
characters to join our party.
WarCraft/The Frozen
Throne: new map
Tolkien:
In Before-meeting: Hobbit:
Map confusion and solved it
In Tolkien section: Gondolin's
betrayal
After-meeting:
Forum: number of pm's we can
store
Forum Middle-earth
Online rp talk
Computer talk
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ArPharazonV has entered the room.
TurgonjustTurgon: already here :-)
Orodreth V: Aiya
TurgonjustTurgon:
and afk
Eonwe Valar: heya all :}
Eonwe Valar: I always send invites
to everyone just in case :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya
GilraenV has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: That should be everyone
on my list
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: semi- afk now,..
programming :}
ArPharazonV: in game, will be right
back
Arwen V1 has entered the room.
GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GilraenV: Aiya
GwaihirValar: hey
Eonwe Valar: heya :} So my
invitation wasn't fancy enough for you? :}
Eonwe Valar: only gold frills, not
mithril? too plain? :}
GwaihirValar: when compared to my
beloved's invite... ;-)
GilraenV: It's 'cause I'm
prettier ^.~
Eonwe Valar: well, ok :} I won't
argue then :}
GilraenV: hehe
GwaihirValar: hehe
ArPharazonV: ok, back
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: wb :}
Orodreth V: I'm afk, trying to manage a dozen conversations and edit
o*counts* 4 short stories, all at the same time.
ArPharazonV:
so, what did you think of guildwars-weekend?
You have just entered room "Valar Guild Meetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: heya :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: Varda's name is
dazzlingly bright today :}
Eonwe Valar: yellow :}
VardaValar1: Odd.
VardaValar1: Yours looks pine green
ArPharazonV: it's all about the
order in which you came into the channel...
VardaValar1: Phar's looks gray
ArPharazonV: to yourself, you always
look red
Eonwe Valar: Phar's is pink :}
ArPharazonV: oro is pink to me
VardaValar1: Happy Halloween and
time change :-)
ArPharazonV: and gilraen would be
grey to Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Happy Daylight Savings
time end day :}
GilraenV: VardaValar1:Eonwe Valar: ArPharazonV:Orodreth VGwaihirValar:
GilraenV: my colours. and happy
hallowe'en
ArPharazonV: happy halloween...
ArPharazonV: even though we don't do
halloween here
VardaValar1: I'm going to show you
guys a letter just came in
VardaValar1: Have to do it in pieces
VardaValar1: hello i was looking at
your website of toilkens encyclopedia where i was looking for facts on
the nine ringwraiths[nazgul]much to my upset you have not got any facts
on them although i may be looking for them in
VardaValar1: the wrong part i doubt
that i am.if i am indeed looking for them in the wrong part please can
you email me back with the way to go about looking for them.if they are
indeed not in this website can you please email me back
VardaValar1: with this fact.i will
be most grateful for speed in delivery of this mail as i need these
facts for coursework of english lituture.yours sincerly
VardaValar1: I will leave off the
name.
Eonwe Valar: cool, we get people
doing literature research
Eonwe Valar: afk for a few
VardaValar1: k
GilraenV: do we really not have
anything on nazgul?
ArPharazonV: the encyc is actually
used for research... by outsiders... must be quite a boost to your
morale, Varda :-)
VardaValar1: It's often used for
research, not what I was pointing out
VardaValar1: I remember putting
stuff in, but it's obviously not where it can be found easily
Arwen V1: Can you find it?
VardaValar1:
I'll look harder now. Not good
VardaValar1: I've been rigging a way
to search by letter to help locate
VardaValar1: not finished, though
VardaValar1: Funny, I did not find
it a morale boost at all
VardaValar1: It says the Encyc is
not the help it should be
VardaValar1: Worse, I remember an
article on Khamul and another on the Witch-king, not locating them
myself. heh
VardaValar1: There's the Witch-king
VardaValar1: Mankind
VardaValar1: Ringwraiths, etc
Arwen V1: I found them
VardaValar1:
No link to them is the problem
VardaValar1: Will fix
VardaValar1: O good :-)
Arwen V1: mankind - king list, bottom, ringwraiths
ArPharazonV:
perhaps we should have different sections that link to the article,
instead of one section
Arwen V1: under the almost men section
VardaValar1:
sure enough. Bad labeling
VardaValar1: Takes an Arwen to find
it :-)
VardaValar1: I know you're extra
smart :-)
Arwen V1: hehe
Arwen V1: thanks =)
Musics4Me2 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer
Musics4Me2: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: leaving for asec,..
gotta switch lines
ArPharazonV: you were putting all
the articles on seperate pages, right?
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
ArPharazonV: so, instead of having
the sections themselves displaying the articles, they just link to
them, right?
VardaValar1: aye
VardaValar1: should load faster,
allow several types of navigation
ArPharazonV: that could allow for
each article to have different sections link to it, if they don't
exactly fall in one category...
ArPharazonV: and that could also
allow for several more abstract categories, like 'forces of
evil/mordor' or something for the nazgul, instead of just mankind
ArPharazonV: which would also give
you better navigation and user-friendliness
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: hantalye
VardaValar1: Right Phar. That's the
plan
ArPharazonV: in that case, problems
like with these nazgul should soon be solved, right?
VardaValar1: I have way too many
people talking at me in separate windows
VardaValar1: It is ok to talk in the
chat room
VardaValar1: I will keep the threads
separate, more or less :-)
Orodreth V: *gasp*
ArPharazonV:
ok then
Orodreth V: Talk..in a chat room?!
Orodreth V: </mock horror>
VardaValar1:
Please please : )
ArPharazonV: well, I can repeat here
what I just told Varda
ArPharazonV: I just reread the hobbit last week
ArPharazonV: and studying both maps
(thror's, and the one of Wilderland) I'm a lil confused about Dale, and
the course of the river
ArPharazonV: they seem to contradict
each other, and the hints in the book (about crossing the river and
such) are not quite matching up either
ArPharazonV: now for several
purposes, and curiosity, I'm trying to form a map in my head of the
environment, but as such, it's proving a little difficult
VardaValar1: Try the Shire Post
link, new one still on News
VardaValar1: for the Shire area
VardaValar1: Do you remember the
contradictions?
ArPharazonV: yes, I know a few..
ArPharazonV: but for exact details,
lemme fetch the book, it's nearby
ArPharazonV: ok, back
ArPharazonV: if we look at the map
at the back of the book, about Wilderland, we see the river turning
east very early, then south again after a distance, and running on
quite straight to Esgaroth
ArPharazonV: this would fit with the
statement that when Bilbo and the Dwarves exit the river, they branch
off west from it, and thus come to the mountain, effectively taking a
shortcut
ArPharazonV: however
ArPharazonV: if we look at Thror's
map at the beginning of the book, it shows something different:
ArPharazonV: the river goes a little
south, then east taking a circle around Dale, skirting the southwest
spur, and continuing towards the southwest, to the long lake
ArPharazonV: this makes a lot more
sense if you have the maps with you... should I provide a quick link
for you?
ArPharazonV: anyway
ArPharazonV: there are other
examples besides this obvious contradiction
ArPharazonV: for example, in the
book it is said in one point, that the Elves and Men besieging the
mountain move their camp from Dale, and east across the river, to get
closer to the gate
ArPharazonV: with a little
imagination, I can still understand this description, although
literally taken they would not really get closer to the gate
ArPharazonV: however
ArPharazonV: when Dain arrives, he
stops east from the river, and sends messengers across the river,
towards the human/elven camp
ArPharazonV: of course, this doesn't
fit with each other either
ArPharazonV: certainly not if you
take both maps into account
TurgonjustTurgon: just a point of note
there
ArPharazonV: after discussing this a
bit with Fladrif when I saw him in the bus, he
said he had noticed the same contradictions, and I wondered if any of
you had noticed them as well, and come to a conclusion...
ArPharazonV: go ahead, Turg
TurgonjustTurgon: you sure it said that
the Elf / Humand camp moved east of the river?
ArPharazonV: yes, they crossed the
river, and put a new camp at the eastside
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SirG3 II has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiyata
TurgonjustTurgon: well.... taken into
account that the books handle from Thorin's map
TurgonjustTurgon: it COULD be possible
that the messenger went accros the river twice...
ArPharazonV: 'That day the camp was
moved to the east of the river, right between the arms of the Mountain.'
TurgonjustTurgon: maybe, because the loop
around dale in the river might bring it to a point where it is hard to
traverse the land east of that spot
ArPharazonV: hey, you could be
right...
TurgonjustTurgon: thus, Dain, coming from
the east and a little south, up to Dale, would stop south of those
mountain arms and east of the river
TurgonjustTurgon: so, that would mean
that the messenger had to cross the river to the west, into Dale, and
then east again to the Elves
TurgonjustTurgon: this too, would be of
great tactical value
TurgonjustTurgon: because the Dwarves now
did not have to cross the river once, but twice
ArPharazonV: that would make
sense... according to a later point in that conversation with the
messengers, the dwarves were planning to go through that small passage
between mountain and river
ArPharazonV: to get to the gate
TurgonjustTurgon: while the Elven and
Human archers could take the advantage of that
TurgonjustTurgon: indeed
ArPharazonV: but the camp would be
right in the way...
TurgonjustTurgon: that too
ArPharazonV: still, how would it
explain Bilbo, with the Arkenstone, had to cross the river to get to
that camp?
TurgonjustTurgon: and because the narrow
passage would be very easy to defend from the new camp
TurgonjustTurgon: well, that might be
because the gate itself is a doorway from which the river ushers
VardaValar1: Ok, improved
navigation, emailed the guy. Back.
TurgonjustTurgon: and the path beside the
river, would most likely lead directly into Dale
TurgonjustTurgon: thus on the west side
of the river
ArPharazonV: ah yes, but I saw
something about that too
ArPharazonV: when the party of 14
went to Ravenhill, which is on the southwest spur
ArPharazonV: they took that same
crossing
ArPharazonV: that Bilbo took as well
ArPharazonV: although the road they
took then, was on the left side of the stream
ArPharazonV: which is, assumedly,
the east side
TurgonjustTurgon: which from south view
would be correct
TurgonjustTurgon: and at the time they
wer geoing to Ravenhill, their main camp was exactly where the Human /
Elf camp would be later
ArPharazonV: they came from the
north, you know
TurgonjustTurgon: too long of the Hobbit
for me to remember that part clearly
VardaValar1: Reason we are allowed
to use books during the chat. This is not a test ;-)
ArPharazonV: in that case, Bilbo
came from the right side of the stream the second time, and took that
crossing in the exact opposite direction...
ArPharazonV: which could fit, seeing
as the company of 14 had walled up the gate and made a new exit
TurgonjustTurgon: my copy of the Hobbit
is somewhere, I have no idea where tho
ArPharazonV: hmm... this could
explain most of the hints and directions
ArPharazonV: except for one thing:
TurgonjustTurgon: you do know that altho
Tolkien was very meticolous in his describing, he didn't always give
detailed account of everything
ArPharazonV: the party, as I said,
when they left the river to go to the mountain, took off in a
northwestern direction, away from the river
ArPharazonV: which fits with the map
of wilderland, but not at all with Thror's map
ArPharazonV: and as such, not with
the other hints as well
ArPharazonV: this would mean he
created the map of wilderland first, and thror's map only after they
had reached the mountain... and he never took the time to correlate the
two with each other
ArPharazonV: so he made the map of
wilderland, and then wrote about the party going to the mountain from
the river
ArPharazonV: after that, he drew out
thror's map, and after that, he came up with the whole
river/crossing/camps/dale-bit
ArPharazonV: I'm starting to think
like Christopher in the Histories now...
ArPharazonV: taking all this into
consideration, I can clearly see I have to follow the map of Thror, and
not the one of Wilderland... and the only statement I cannot use is the
one where they leave the river
TurgonjustTurgon: well, looking at the
magnitude of Tolkien's writings, and even at the Hobbit he was very
busy with creating his languages, I wouldn't blame him if he slipped an
error or 2
ArPharazonV: well, I think this
clears out any confusion the book gave me.. thanks
ArPharazonV: I'll pass the news to
Fladrif
VardaValar1: It will also be in the
transcript ;-)
ArPharazonV: yes, that too, of
course :-)
VardaValar1: Gilraen, thanks for
your help with the links
ArPharazonV: I think I'm all set now
to draw out the chapters, so I can put them to good use in the war3
campaign :-)
ArPharazonV: that was the actual
main reason of putting the chapters in maps in my head
VardaValar1: Phar, may we start the
business meeting now? :-)
ArPharazonV: yes, go ahead
VardaValar1: Thanks ever so
ArPharazonV: my problem is dealt with
Meeting:
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Members Info
VardaValar1: Valar Standard Time is now an hour later
VardaValar1: since ESDT is now EST
VardaValar1: Arathorn
seems more active again
sauronjag has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Lungorthin :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
sauronjag: Hola :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: Aiya!
VardaValar1: No new members this week
sauronjag: (I can only stay about a minute! but I will keep it
open and try to chat in awhile. happy halloween everyone)
VardaValar1: Embla-(TV) is still in New Zealand, emailing us
reports of the filming sites for the LotR movie
VardaValar1: Thanks, Lungorthin
VardaValar1: Did you have any web
reports, o White Demon?
VardaValar1: He handles our Book
List and Review section, as well as DAoC
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VardaValar1: Web News:
sauronjag: Nope. I've been looking into dark age again, but I'm
not sure if I' mgoing to be able to actually do anything about it
VardaValar1:
Okie dokie. Good luck with it
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyclopedia:
sauronjag: I've been nonstop busy for a long time now and it's not
slowing down :-) Namarie everyone
VardaValar1:
Namarie, hard-working one. We know how it is
ArPharazonV: Namarie
VardaValar1: Tolkien Encyclopedia:
VardaValar1: new section: Fellowship
VardaValar1: Sub-categories in it,
anyone can add to them. It will be mostly links to those, it looks like
now.
VardaValar1: Some things did not fit
in individual spots and this seemed like a nifty solution.
VardaValar1: New article: Ori
VardaValar1: Spawned during
researching a longer article
VardaValar1: Any other Web news?
VardaValar1: Oh, and Gilraen has
been helping locate bad links while I'm rebuilding the
Encyc : )
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VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: Eonwe has some when he
returns from afk
VardaValar1: Arathorn sent a letter
on Guild Wars:
VardaValar1: Grimbold and I are
going to try out the 'Guild Wars' beta this weekend since my internet
is back. I'm just wondering who else is going to?
VardaValar1: I know Ar-pharazon
brought it up a few times from the meeting transcripts I read, so I
imagine he will, but who else is interested?
VardaValar1: That was the copy/paste
from Arathorn.
TurgonjustTurgon: have already been
playing with Grimbold and Arathorn
VardaValar1: Thanks, Turgon. How was
it?
GwaihirValar: I believe that was this
weekend... how long is it lasting?
TurgonjustTurgon: until 12 tonight as far
as I know
ArPharazonV: yes, today is the last
day
VardaValar1: World preview goes
until tonight, aye
GwaihirValar: what style game is it?
I haven't looked much...
TurgonjustTurgon: I'll try to keep the
report short
VardaValar1: Fire when ready : )
TurgonjustTurgon: it's an RPG, MMO
TurgonjustTurgon: the graphics are
absolutely fabolous
TurgonjustTurgon: fabulous even
TurgonjustTurgon: gameplay is nice as
well, it has every aspect a MMO should have
TurgonjustTurgon: friends list, private
messages, party messages, Guilds
GwaihirValar: *sighs* another MMO...
is nobody making any good games anymore...
VardaValar1: We will have Gwaihir
make us a good game!
ArPharazonV: I played for some time
as well, although pc-crashes often got in the way, and I was away a
lot... I never even completed the second 'main quest' :-D
GwaihirValar: I'm nowhere near THAT
point yet I'm afraid ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: there is even an option
to travel from and to the most important places
TurgonjustTurgon: well, it deviates from
MMO's in certain areas
VardaValar1: So it has a stress
problem? Maybe repairable with more servers?
TurgonjustTurgon: for example, there are
quests and staging areas therefore and at the end of each quest is a
marvelous cinematic
ArPharazonV: no, problems are from
my pc I think
TurgonjustTurgon: I have experienced very
little to no lag
VardaValar1: ouch, Phar
ArPharazonV: they also happen
sometimes with War3 and Dungeon Siege...
TurgonjustTurgon: this is probably
because of the way staging areas and towns are divided up, so not too
many people will be in the same spot
TurgonjustTurgon: although a good effort,
and certainly nice for the laggishness, I think this is one of the
downsides
TurgonjustTurgon: it is hampering with
players looking for equipment or crafters
TurgonjustTurgon: one of the other
downsides, and a big one to me, that once a player uses the instant
travel system, that player automatically leaves the group he is in
TurgonjustTurgon: so, if a player would
want to go to a town and learn new spells or buy new things, he'd have
to find a new group again
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Shaggyjoe has entered the room.
Shaggyjoe: heya
FallenGlory:
Hey
VardaValar1: Aiya : )
TurgonjustTurgon: all in all, I think
this is a great game, and worth its while
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Let our new guys know
the game name?
TurgonjustTurgon: oh yes, one final thing
TurgonjustTurgon: the looting system is
the worst thing of all
TurgonjustTurgon: any dropped loot is
reserved for the player who gives the finishing blow
ArPharazonV: really? I was under the
impression they were reserved randomly
GwaihirValar: I can't see that as
being THAT bad...
VardaValar1: Kill stealers will be
Killed on Sight : )
TurgonjustTurgon: nope, that's a pluspoint
GwaihirValar: I mean it negates about
as much abuse as it implements
TurgonjustTurgon: areas with creeps in
them are ALL divided
TurgonjustTurgon: each group has a
different one
VardaValar1: Turgon, when you are
done, Gilraen is next
ArPharazonV: yup, and gold is shared
amongst the party
VardaValar1: Then Eonwe
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, weighing the
good against the bad, I'd say it breaks even
GwaihirValar: I don't know how much
of a problem MMOs have with invisibility/hiding... BUT I know in some
other games it's easy to hide and wait for items to drop and then take
them before other people can get them....
TurgonjustTurgon: well, in the payable
MMO's (DaoC at least) loot is reserved for the party that makes the kill
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, I'm finished
on Guild Wars, I'd like to give the gavel to Gilraen :-)
VardaValar1: Gilraen, please go
ahead.
TurgonjustTurgon: she seems afk at the
moment
TurgonjustTurgon: maybe Gwai can kiss her
from her beauty sleep ;-)
GwaihirValar: lol
VardaValar1: Gilraen is pulled away
to do a chore for her mother right now
VardaValar1: Eonwe, your turn : )
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: First, I'd like to say
I finished getting together the gaming information and putting together
the State of Valar Gaming
Report
Eonwe Valar: It should be on the
News page very soon
Eonwe Valar: Some numbers I'd like
to point to is that only about 1/3 of our Guild even responded to the
letter
SirG3 II: ouch
Eonwe Valar:
Hopefully if you're here, you were among those who did respond. A quick
look over the roll tells me at least most of you did.
TurgonjustTurgon: yikes...
ArPharazonV: that ain't much
Eonwe Valar: If you didn't, get the
info in for the Games Page. It won't affect the report at this point,
but it'll help us know where you game, and hopefully help you find
someone to game with.
Eonwe Valar: Some pages won't have
player listings on the Updated Games page
TurgonjustTurgon: in case Luthien and / or Paladin Took didn't send theirs, I
have met and played with them in TFT
ArPharazonV: yeah, same here... we
encountered them yesterday
Eonwe Valar: D1, Neverwinter Nights,
Warcraft 2
GwaihirValar: ahh, Luthy's been on
again... good to hear.
Eonwe Valar: and E-mail to the Games
Page counts as a contact with the Guild, btw
TurgonjustTurgon: she goes under the nick
of Tindomerel-V if you happen to come across her
VardaValar1: The State of Valar Gaming Report is now
on the News page under Oct. 29
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Turgon
Eonwe Valar: THanks Varda
VardaValar1: My pleasure
Eonwe Valar: If you see members
around in games, encourage them to e-mail their info to the Games Page
if they haven't, with a CC to Varda just in case.
Eonwe Valar: Second, I have some WC3 branch news.
Eonwe Valar: I've removed from the
branch accounts that are near or over 300 days since last login
Eonwe Valar: these accounts are more
than dead by Blizzard's standard.
VardaValar1: That include WarCraft 3
and The Frozen Thorne both
VardaValar1: Throne
Eonwe Valar: aye, ROC and TFT both
Eonwe Valar: If you find your
account was among those deleted, you need to get in contact with me or
one of the Shamen to get the tag on a new guild account.
Eonwe Valar: if it wasn't deleted
and you find your account is dead, let me know so it can be removed,
then make a new account and get one of us to tag it.
Eonwe Valar: If your account is more
than 90 days since last login, you may find it dead when you try to
next log in.
Orodreth V: Still trying to work on going somewhere just to keep my
account active..
Eonwe Valar:
3rd : New WC3 map for halloween. Haven't tried it yet.
ArPharazonV: me neither.. tried
downloading it once, but failed
Eonwe Valar: One more note on 2 : we
have 24 members in the WC3 branch after the account deletions. about
half of those are under the 28 days, so we're ok for now
GwaihirValar: good!
Eonwe Valar: That'll do it for my
news. Back to you Varda.
VardaValar1: Gilraen is next, still
on Gaming News
DaeTPringl has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Eowyn : )
DaeTPringl: Hail, I am Eowyn.
Though my name is spelled completely wrong at the moment. ;-)
GilraenV: I'm advertising a
forum-based rpg (a la the one on the guild
message board) by the name of the Empire of Arine ( http://www.atalantei.com is the easiest address to give )
GilraenV: (and
Gwaihir will be wincing after reading that as he's heard far too much
about it recently)
VardaValar1: hehe
GilraenV: It's run by myself and
a friend, and on friday we moved to the new location, so basically
starting up again 2 years after the last story left off. It's set in a
world simailar to mediaeval Earth, but it has magick
GilraenV: and a rather
matriarchal society, courtesy of it's creators being female ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: not too much like Wheel
of Time, I hope?
GilraenV: Wheel of Time?
Eonwe Valar: Turgon read my mind,..
:}
GwaihirValar: I think that answers
your questions...
GwaihirValar: :-)
VardaValar1: I had that thought too
TurgonjustTurgon: well, Wheel of time is
centered around inadequacy of men, to put it lightly
Eonwe Valar: aye, putting it quite
lightly, Turgon :}
VardaValar1: Our guild is mostly
guys, so that kind of stinks
SirG3 II: nah
SirG3 II: :P
VardaValar1:
:-)
GwaihirValar: umm... It's more likely
to be based off of Exiles in that regard than WoT... because I believe
she hasn't read WoT, but I know she has read Exiles :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: I haven't
Eonwe Valar: So how similar is
Exiles to WoT ? give us non-Exiles-but WoT-readers a little idea :}
GwaihirValar: I've never read WoT,
couldn't get past page 15.
TurgonjustTurgon: but if its a
matriarchal society without the WoT thingy about men, it's cool
GwaihirValar: however, I'm not sure
it was based off either ;-)
GwaihirValar: anyways, afk for a
short while
SirG3 II: darn, there goes reality sucking him in again :P
Orodreth V: Reality! Pssh! who needs that?
GilraenV:
the majority of deities and rulers are female.
VardaValar1: This is one reality,
right here ;-)
Eonwe Valar: anyway, gl with the RP
GIlraen :}
Orodreth V: I
GilraenV:
but no man-hating. well, one of the characters hates men. but the
society in general doesn't
Orodreth V: I'm in the middle of GMing my own and joing another major
RP, so I'll look into it but I dunno if I can dedicate time to three
major RPs.
GilraenV:
so... *shrug* if anyone's interested, wander along and have a gander,
please.
TurgonjustTurgon: I'll check it out when
I have the time, bookmarked for now
VardaValar1: Orodreth, next you'll
have to jump into the Middle-earth one on the Valar forum ;-)
Arwen V1 has left the room.
VardaValar1: And Gilraen, you
mentioned new folk could join in now?
GilraenV: indeed... we're just
starting up again after moving boards
ArPharazonV: yes, I'm kinda stuck at
that one... can't decide whether to continue my sidequest in
letter-form, or in normal form... I'm not sure about what I want to
give away
GilraenV: so ther aren't any
major plots going on yet. of course, new characters are always welcome
VardaValar1: Thank you, O brave rp
creator : )
VardaValar1: Speaking of rp's, the
guild rp in our Forum is in a spot where other folk can join in from
Mirkwood.
VardaValar1: We need five warriors
to join us there
VardaValar1: Any gender, Gilraen : )
ArPharazonV: anybody who wants to
play my younger brother is welcome as well!
ArPharazonV: he's a key part in my
sidequest, and we could have him join us
VardaValar1: I could use a brother
too : )
SirG3 II: I could give you mine :P
VardaValar1:
hehe
VardaValar1: I'd love to drag in
Merry or Sam, but would be very tickled to take any of you
VardaValar1: Not a bad apple here
VardaValar1: I could have a sister
if the brother is a problem : )
VardaValar1: Turgon has some TFT news
VardaValar1: Go ahead, Turgon. And
he has a web url too
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, as usual, through
Pharazon, I got a new map for TFT
TurgonjustTurgon: the Weakest Link, LotR
style
TurgonjustTurgon: after playing a couple
times, it became evident it had some errors in answers and questions
TurgonjustTurgon: so after what seemed to
me as a lot of fiddling, I managed to purge the errors from the
question "database"
TurgonjustTurgon: I also removed some of
the bad language that was intended for people who left before the game
was finished
VardaValar1: (It was in there
without Turgon putting it there)
TurgonjustTurgon: I have not yet found a
way to allow multiple answers to a question, but am working on that
ArPharazonV: heh... I just hope you
didn't change too much... some questions were actually correct which
you thought weren't
VardaValar1: Please PM me any
Tolkien topics
TurgonjustTurgon: also, after testing the
new one, Paladin and Luthien, gave me some pointers on some of the
questions
TurgonjustTurgon: and no, didn't change
anything that I was not sure of being wrong
TurgonjustTurgon: and that's it for the
map
TurgonjustTurgon: As for the link
TurgonjustTurgon: http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/
TurgonjustTurgon: it's an
encyclopedia site
TurgonjustTurgon: much like ours, and
just as complete as ours
ArPharazonV: looks... very...
familiar
TurgonjustTurgon: which means, a lot of
articles, no where near to completion :-)
ArPharazonV: you sure it wasn't in
the database yet?
VardaValar1: That should be in the
Encyc
VardaValar1: Encyclopedia of Arda
VardaValar1: Will check
Orodreth V: The Encyclopedia of Arda is great for alternate names and
meanings.
VardaValar1:
It is there under "Encyclopedias"
GwaihirValar: btw, the part of
reality that was sucking me in was food... so I can forgive it ;-)
SirG3 II: ah
VardaValar1:
Food is a good reality : )
DaeTPringl: mmm food
SirG3 II: I bring the food back to my reality
ArPharazonV:
what do eagles eat, anyway?
VardaValar1: Good plan, farmer
GwaihirValar: that's what I did...
GwaihirValar: but it still took time
to finish prepping ;-)
TurgonjustTurgon: hmmm... still can't
find it
DaeTPringl: other eagles? j/k
VardaValar1: Snakes, birds, fish,
what they can catch
ArPharazonV: yummy, Gwaihir
GwaihirValar: yes, the rare and
elusive breaded chicken ;-)
SirG3 II: yay
VardaValar1:
Look under Tolkien, Encyclopedias
VardaValar1: Not alphabetical
VardaValar1: Dark Side of Tolkien is
out of place, needs moved. Will do
VardaValar1: no, it is not out of
place
VardaValar1: Can you see it now?
TurgonjustTurgon: weird.... there doesn't
seem to be a link OR a section called Encyclopedias under Tolkien where
I am browsing....
ArPharazonV: I just found it under
'more links'
VardaValar1: Our Links section is
under More Links on the index
VardaValar1: The index is to Valar
pages
VardaValar1: More links is to
non-Valar pages
VardaValar1: Bilbo-(V) says hi, just
came in : )
TurgonjustTurgon: well, I just can't find
it
ArPharazonV: http://valarguild.org/varda/links/links.html#T
olkienEncycs
TurgonjustTurgon: on
another note, Beren's Lorebook is down,
his geocities site has gone untended for too long and has gone into
inactivity
ArPharazonV: the ninth one
ArPharazonV: yes, I noticed that
this week, I wanted to use it.. don't know what for, but I wanted to
use it
ArPharazonV: and it was gone...
GwaihirValar: hmm... for a while he
had a link to a new site there, I think
GwaihirValar: maybe he moved it
TurgonjustTurgon: nope, checked both
TurgonjustTurgon: both inactive
VardaValar1: Checked. Both links to
Lore Book are down
TurgonjustTurgon: and, yes, I found it
VardaValar1: He is active on the
Forum. We can ask him there
TurgonjustTurgon: no wonder I couldn't
find it before, I am used to using the main page, not the main "main"
page
ArPharazonV: I found it using the
main page, not the main 'main' page... if we're talking about the same
thing... but still, each his own ways of tracking sections
VardaValar1: The splash page and the
index page both have the Links link, so np
HearNoEvil80 has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
TurgonjustTurgon: yes, but not used to
that page, was just checking on the splash page or the other one if not
the one meant :-)
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Gil-galad : )
HearNoEvil80: Aiya...sorry I missed
the meeting....too many emergencies going on *sigh* running around
ragged heh
ArPharazonV: I just found it on both
pages... but no problem
TurgonjustTurgon: oh well, good has come
from an already known link tho :-)
VardaValar1: The splash page is the
short one, http://valarguild.org
TurgonjustTurgon: the
other one then :-)
VardaValar1: Know that feeling, Hear
: )
ArPharazonV: ah, I found it first on
the 'other' page
TurgonjustTurgon: anyways, I think this
about concludes our little linkage stuff :-)
ArPharazonV: big headline at the
bottom 'more links'
ArPharazonV: well, ok
ArPharazonV: new topic!
VardaValar1: Pardon, many windows
were open
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TurgonjustTurgon: Tolkien!
VardaValar1: Turgon, you have a
topic?
TurgonjustTurgon: uh... nope...
ArPharazonV: well, Dale has been handled in the
premeeting... so I don't have one either
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
TurgonjustTurgon: well, maybe one....
VardaValar1: Welcome back
VardaValar1: What one, Turgon?
TurgonjustTurgon: the fate of Hurin and Huor coming to Gondolin
VardaValar1: What about them?
Eonwe Valar: thanks,.. seems I hit
the close button rather than the minimize button
VardaValar1: oopsie : )
ArPharazonV: well, there goes that
transcript ;-)
VardaValar1: I still have mine
TurgonjustTurgon: well, too long since I
read that part, but for what I can remember, it seems as if their fates
and their families were sealed after coming to and departing Gondolin
VardaValar1: And what question do we
address?
TurgonjustTurgon: whether or not that was
the case
VardaValar1: Could you state the
question in one line?
VardaValar1: I'm getting lost : )
TurgonjustTurgon: excuse me if I am a bit
sketchy, but usually when I have a topic, I have a couple things in my
mind already I want to address, and this one was straight from my
thoughts :-)
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, here comes:
VardaValar1: np
TurgonjustTurgon: Huor and Hurin were
lost in the wilds after some battle (I think) and they were picked up
by the Eagles and brought to Gondolin
TurgonjustTurgon: when they returned,
they wore the garments of princes
TurgonjustTurgon: and even though they
already were lords among their people, it seems as if their coming to
Gondolin sealed their and their families fates
TurgonjustTurgon: Hurin as Morgoth's most
hated enemy and the doom that befell Turin
VardaValar1: The clothes did give
away the existence of Gondolin, good point
ArPharazonV: well, from what I know,
Hurin also revealed the location of Gondolin to Morgoth... or at least
the general area
VardaValar1: People wondered why
they were in such great shape after being lost in the wilderness
TurgonjustTurgon: and Huor for his son
Tuor, chosen by Ulmo to bring to Turgon his message of Doom
VardaValar1: Aye, Hurin did call out
to the people of Gondolin, giving away the general area
VardaValar1: Took Maelin to make it
specific
TurgonjustTurgon: aye
VardaValar1: Maeglin
ArPharazonV: being descendants from
Hador, they already were heirs to the house of Men, and leadership of
Hithlum...
TurgonjustTurgon: but as far as I know,
Hurin was not hated by Morgoth until the Nirnaeth
VardaValar1: *looks around for all
those dropped letters*
VardaValar1: That's when he foiled
Morgoth, aye
TurgonjustTurgon: true, Pharazon, but
that's why I bring this up
VardaValar1: Kept him from taking
Turgon
TurgonjustTurgon: it seems as if their
fates didn't begin to unfold after their visit to Gondolin
ArPharazonV: I hardly think that
they would have given any less resistance to Morgoth had they not
visited Gondolin...
TurgonjustTurgon: probably not, but that
is not the point
TurgonjustTurgon: the point is their
fates, not their resilience
ArPharazonV: but their fates did
rely on their resilience...
TurgonjustTurgon: only partly
ArPharazonV: their defiance and
resistance of Morgoth made them his enemies, regardless of their
knowledge
TurgonjustTurgon: but would Tuor have
come to Nevrast seeking for signs of Turgon and thus find the hauberk
left by Turgon on Ulmo's council if it hadn't been for Huors visit?
ArPharazonV: I think that fate had
been decided already, and it was not like Tuor was guided by his father
TurgonjustTurgon: would Morgoth have
noticed the family of Hurin any more than he would have of say, the
people of Brethil if Hurin didn't have knowledge of Gondolin
ArPharazonV: how did Morgoth know
Hurin had knowledge of Gondolin anyway?
TurgonjustTurgon: spies
TurgonjustTurgon: and a good mind aside
from that
TurgonjustTurgon: he was Vala after all
ArPharazonV: in that case, it could
well be that Morgoth only chose Hurin because he knew he knew the
location of Gondolin
ArPharazonV: and no, that's not a
typo.. I said he knew twice
TurgonjustTurgon: I get the drift :-)
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After-meeting:
VardaValar1: (I sent Beren a PM in
the Forum about the Lore Book)
ArPharazonV: oh, btw, Varda...
ArPharazonV: how many PM can you
have in storage?
TurgonjustTurgon: dunno, I got over 40
there
VardaValar1: Don't know. Turgon or
Eonwe, do you know?
ArPharazonV: oh, good... I had 8,
and was worried if I could still receive any
VardaValar1: I currently have 40
TurgonjustTurgon: I can check the
proboards main page for exact numbers if you like
VardaValar1: That would be helpful
ArPharazonV: seeing as the War3
forum and WoW forum have a maximum storage of 5, I was worried about
reaching the maximum...
TurgonjustTurgon: 46 messages at this
point
GwaihirValar: I think the one other
forum I'm a member of has a peak of 50(but I could be wrong)
ArPharazonV: but if you guys have
40+, I won't have to worry for a long time... that's a relief
VardaValar1: To PM someone, you can
click on his name and it takes you to his profile, and that gives a
spot at the bottom to PM from
VardaValar1: If he has no posts, you
can go to the Members page and do the same thing by clicking his name.
Even if he does have posts. ;-)
Eonwe Valar: I've got over 100 PMs
so I wouldn't worry too much :}
TurgonjustTurgon: well, it could very
well be that admins have a higher number of max PM's, but not sure on
that, and I would doubt it
VardaValar1: yay!
VardaValar1: I delete some of mine
now and then
ArPharazonV: if you could check out
the exact number for regular members, I would be very happy
VardaValar1: If you can check,
Turgon, that would help us
Eonwe Valar: I don't think there's a
way to do it through the board
VardaValar1: I don't see a place t o
check on the board, but maybe the site for making boards
GwaihirValar: I don't know that
admins WOULD have a max...
VardaValar1: I think we ended our
previous Tolkien discussion :-)
GwaihirValar: I mean on the more
active boards the admins get as many pms as Varda gets e-mails ;-)
VardaValar1: *gasp*
VardaValar1: I already use three
accounts to handle emails : )
SirG3 II: heh
VardaValar1:
and check all three just about daily
SirG3 II: I hate email
VardaValar1:
Gmail is good about putting the spam out of the main mail. Very nice
ArPharazonV: sorry to bring it up,
we could resume the Tolkien topic afterwards
VardaValar1: A new one from LotR
would be good : )
VardaValar1: Everyone has read it or
they would not be in the guild
ArPharazonV: or the hobbit? you
know, the one I reread most recently? ;-)
VardaValar1: That would be good too
: )
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
ArPharazonV: oh, right.. concerning
the hobbit (pun not intended).. I have a question about Mirkwood
Shaggyjoe has left the room.
SirG3 II: Sorry to intrude, but this was funny: AMAZING BUT TRUE ... If all the salmon caught in Canada
in one year were laid end to end across the Sahara Desert, the smell
would be absolutely awful.
Eonwe Valar:
OK, write a one-page dissertation on the nature of the Palantiri. Oh
wait, that sounds likea homework assignment,.. ;}
VardaValar1: They would dry out : )
VardaValar1: Just one page?
ArPharazonV: well, here it goes,
anyways...
Eonwe Valar: 10 page? 100 page? :}
ArPharazonV: I was wondering about Thranduil's halls
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: where exactly are they
located? what direction is the gate heading into?
ArPharazonV: if they, like I seem to
interpret from the hobbit, are lying eastwards, I think I made my posts
in the RP wrong...
VardaValar1: I've just been handed a
bucket of links to work on
TurgonjustTurgon: ok, just posted a
request for the number on the proboards site, should have an answer soon
Eonwe Valar: there may have been
multiple gates, as would be typical of a castle
VardaValar1: They should have had
the info available. Maybe they will after the request. Thanks for your
trouble, Turgon
ArPharazonV: no, I think there were
only 2 gates in the halls, at least at the time of the hobbit
ArPharazonV: 1 was the main gate
ArPharazonV: the other was the
barrelgate
ArPharazonV: both lay to the east...
ArPharazonV: I think, after reading
that chapter
VardaValar1: A giant gate often has
a small gate next to it, for minor errands. But saw none mentioned in
Tolkien
ArPharazonV: yes, it is stated in
the hobbit that the only exit besides the main gate was the
water-gate...
ArPharazonV: and believe me, poor
old bilbo had plenty of time to check it all out :-)
Eonwe Valar: What does Tolkien know
about Mirkwood's gate? :}
ArPharazonV: still, I think after
this, that the gate used in the RP lay to the east, which could work
less easily with my posts...
VardaValar1: Just sort of squinch
your map around on the table...
ArPharazonV: lol... perhaps it can
still work
Eonwe Valar: the main gate appears
to be facing west
Eonwe Valar: since we're coming from
the west, we're ok
ArPharazonV: I thought it was facing
east...
sauronjag has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: I'm using Atlas of
Middle-Earth
VardaValar1: Don't think when you
can look it up :-)
VardaValar1: Those books are not
always accurate, beware
ArPharazonV: looking it up now, in
barrels out of bound
ArPharazonV: *bond
Xseanzee disco has left the room.
Eonwe Valar: Since we're on the
Forest Path, and that leads to Thranduil's halls, it's likely that will
lead to the main gate
ArPharazonV: wait a sec...
ArPharazonV: perhaps I'm confusing
the main gate with the main mouth...
Eonwe Valar: but it's a Revised
Edition,.. It's gotta be perfect :}
ArPharazonV: lol
ArPharazonV: but anyway, if I look
at the map, the halls seem to be on the eastside of the mountainrange
ArPharazonV: but... if you guys are
convinced the gates are on the westside, I'm happy...
ArPharazonV: problem solved for the
rp
VardaValar1: I haven't looked it up.
Repairing the buckets of links folks are telling me about : )
ArPharazonV: now I still have to
come up with a new post for the rp... I can't really decide how to
continue my little quest... but I think it's about time
VardaValar1: Heard about the latest
anniversary edition coming out of LotR? It's supposed to have even more
corrections from Chris, near perfect
ArPharazonV: did you, in the rp,
actually get my letter yet?
ArPharazonV: hey, sounds cool
ArPharazonV: anniversary... 50
years, I would guess?
VardaValar1: I'll bet it will be
hardback and expensive. Hope they have a cheap version
Eonwe Valar: Hmm guess I better get
a new copy of the current Hardback version soon then
Xseanzee disco has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: As for Calion's letter,
I was problably going to recieve it in my next post
Eonwe Valar: still don
Eonwe Valar: 't know what Auros is
going to do about it yet, though
ArPharazonV: I advice you to join me
on my quest! It'll give you something to do while you're in town, and I
won't be so lonely ;-)
ArPharazonV: *advise
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: if not, I'll try to
finish it as quickly as possible.. I don't want to be left behind
ArPharazonV: shall I spill the
details here? I'm tired of keeping it bottled up
VardaValar1: You could put it in the
rp?
ArPharazonV: yeah, allright...
Eonwe Valar: If Auros has to go
chasing you down, he's not going to be pleased :}
VardaValar1: We are trying to do
something in town
VardaValar1: We are trying to report
to Thranduil, collect more warriors, and head for Erebor
ArPharazonV: I'll go on my mission
alone, then... and lose the letter-style
ArPharazonV: but I'm afraid that
post will have to come tomorrow... I'm going to bed now
VardaValar1: You need to stick with
the group when possible
VardaValar1: Sleep is good :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Try to stay with us
TurgonjustTurgon: now is it Varda?
VardaValar1: in the rp
VardaValar1: Irmo is a nice guy, yes
: )
TurgonjustTurgon: sleep is a big waste of
time in my eyes
ArPharazonV: I cannot walk away from
this... I initiated a new part for me, which has to be fulfilled.. I
don't want to lose my brother :-)
VardaValar1: Irmo, don't listen!
TurgonjustTurgon: but then again, can be
pleasant :-)
VardaValar1: Phar, does not have to
be long
VardaValar1: Can catch up with us
again
ArPharazonV: yes, allright... and
you can 'fill me in' when I catch up... of course I'll continue reading
your posts
VardaValar1: Your story arc needs to
have to do with the main story
VardaValar1: Try to work it in
VardaValar1: Maybe your arc will
find something Auros really must know
TurgonjustTurgon