December 5, 2004 Meeting
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
5pm EST
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Transcript team: Varda
Before-meeting
Meeting Begins
Membership:
Lungorthin/raukojag
Arathorn
Farmer Maggot
Ar-Pharazon
Webwork:
Tolkien Encyclopedia: new
article
Games page
World of WarCraft page,
aka WoW page
Gaming:
WoW
D2X
Tolkien:
Death as a theme
English Myth
Silvan elves as they would be
now, in Tolkien's mythology
Beorn in the myth
Trolls in books vs movie
Weapons in Tolkien
Before-meeting:
You have just entered room "Valar
Guild Meetingplace."
VardaValar1: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya
VardaValar1: Almost missed the time
:-)
GilraenV: Aiya
Menelvagor Valar: no worries, everybody
seems to have done so
GilraenV: it's a very small
meeting today ^.~
VardaValar1: Lot of folk need to be
invited or they don't show
VardaValar1: Doing it now
Menelvagor Valar: Lungorthin
has already been in and has gone to study for his tests coming week
VardaValar1: Good for him!
VardaValar1: Finals next week for
lots of college folk
Eonwe Valar: heya all :} sory was on
another screen :}
GilraenV: gwai was eaten by the
work monster again
VardaValar1: ouch, understood
GilraenV: heya, good to see life
GilraenV: saw arathorn
in d2x
yesterday
VardaValar1: Eonwe, are you in WoW
at the moment too?
GilraenV: which was novel, as I
rarely see anyone other than gwai
VardaValar1: O cool
Eonwe Valar: no, not at the moment
VardaValar1: When do you come in,
Gilraen?
GilraenV: *rambles*
GilraenV: come in... to what.
sorry?
GilraenV: I'm half asleep
VardaValar1: What time of day do you
play D2X?
GilraenV: ah. it varies...
usually evening/night GMT
sauronjag has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
sauronjag: hehe oops :-) Heya, I can'
VardaValar1:
So before meeting time about?
Menelvagor Valar: well before I bet
VardaValar1: Showing up gets you
credit anyway :-)
sauronjag: I can't stay I'm heading out and saying goodbyes as we
speak :-) I have a ton of tests to study for
GilraenV:
hehe. depends on if I have college the next morning
VardaValar1: You and many others
VardaValar1: Good memory to you!
sauronjag: thanks :-) namarie
sauronjag has left the room.
GilraenV: good luck
GilraenV: BAH
GilraenV: I keep missing
GilraenV: *shakes head*
VardaValar1: They often see the
transcript anyway : )
GilraenV: hehe
VardaValar1: We could have a short
meeting?
Eonwe Valar: My tests are luckily
not until wednesday, and then I have one or two at the end of next week
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo
VardaValar1: Member News:
VardaValar1: We are mostly absent
due to finals and WoW : )
VardaValar1: Any other Member news?
VardaValar1: and work, heh
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VardaValar1: Web News:
VardaValar1: New article in the Tolkien Encyc:
VardaValar1: Halls
of Thranduil
VardaValar1: It exists due to
research for the MeO rp : )
VardaValar1: Any other Web news?
VardaValar1: Eonwe, how goes the Games page?
VardaValar1: Any more responses?
Eonwe Valar: Still on hold until
after finals
VardaValar1: Okie dokie
Eonwe Valar: no, no one has sent in
gaming info since the update
Menelvagor Valar: whoops, getting on with
it fast
Menelvagor Valar: dunno if you got a mail
from FM, but both he and Phar
cannot be here tonight
VardaValar1: The WoW web page has been updating
VardaValar1: Finals?
FallenGlory has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: on FM I don't know,
Phar is visiting his granny
VardaValar1: Aiya
FallenGlory: Heya
VardaValar1: Any other Web news?
Menelvagor Valar: not from here
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VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: WoW has been very popular
VardaValar1: Don't forget to tell us
your name on the Forum
VardaValar1: Lothar on Eastern is
the official guild server
VardaValar1: Alliance
VardaValar1: Any other Gaming news?
Menelvagor Valar: WoW isn't due to
release in Europe until jan. 14th
VardaValar1: Anyone here play WoW?
Eonwe is Auros on Lothar
VardaValar1: ouch
VardaValar1: I'm Fainan on Lothar,
in there now
Eonwe Valar: You can preorder it
now, though
VardaValar1: Might be a good idea
VardaValar1: They sold out here in
no time
Menelvagor Valar: not until social
security gives me my money for this month
Menelvagor Valar: they are late
VardaValar1: Good thing it doesn't
come out for you yet then : )
VardaValar1: Less aggravating
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
GilraenV: I'd like to try it, but
I can't afford it
VardaValar1: First month free helps
VardaValar1: We kind of dug into our
grocery money, heh
GilraenV: I can't even afford the
disc ^.~
VardaValar1: I don't advise it though
GilraenV: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: I'll dig into my DaoC
money for it :-)
VardaValar1: Babysitting, shoveling
snow, mowing lawns.... : )
Eonwe Valar: Circuit City I think
has it for 39.99 this week if tht helps anyone
VardaValar1: That's how we plan to
finance our online time, too. Dropping EQ
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe
Menelvagor Valar: Britain and Holland
don't have those stores I'm sure
VardaValar1: But someone reading the
transcript might be helped
VardaValar1: Any other gaming news?
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VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: Anyone have a Tolkien
topic?
MaglorV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya
MaglorV: Aiya
VardaValar1: We are trying to pick a
Tolkien topic : )
VardaValar1: You have one, Maglor? :
)
MaglorV: I can't say that I do
VardaValar1: Tolkien said Death was
a major theme in his work
VardaValar1: I guess he might have
said Endings and new beginnings just as well
VardaValar1: The end of the time of
the Elves in Arda, but the beginning of the time of Men
VardaValar1: The end of nearly
anything not man, heh
VardaValar1: The silvans stayed
though
VardaValar1: I wonder what became of
them
VardaValar1: Did they all eventually
succumb to the sea longing by traveling?
VardaValar1: I can talk to myself
all day, but would rather not : )
MaglorV: I think that depends on
how you see Tolkien's books
MaglorV: He began it with the
intent of writing an English Myth
VardaValar1: And wouldn't you say he
succeeded?
MaglorV: so, if that is the
case, the Sylvan Elves stayed, and hide in the
forests
MaglorV: to this day :-)
VardaValar1: I like that : )
Menelvagor Valar: I see only one problem
with that Maglor
VardaValar1: Hobbits are supposed to
be around too, but hide when people come near
MaglorV: true
MaglorV: and elves are even more
sneaky
VardaValar1: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: unless the Silvans have
made cloaks such as the Lothlorien's did, but with heat absorbtion,
they would have been detected by the heat-detectors of the satellites
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: And been considered
more wildlife? : )
VardaValar1: The Dorwinion wine
still around? Very wild life
MaglorV: they have "elf magic"
though (the Sam in me speaking)
VardaValar1: Might be assumed to be
hikers?
MaglorV: hehe, maybe
GilraenV: or campers
VardaValar1: aye
Menelvagor Valar: that was about the
Lothlorien, not the Silvans
Menelvagor Valar: and I would doubt that
such a large community such as the Silvans of Menegroth would have been
seen as a casual nr. of campers
MaglorV: yeah, but most of the
elves in Lothlorien were sylvan
VardaValar1: Lothlorien was deserted
pretty much
VardaValar1: Some of the Lothlorien
silvans went to Ithilien
VardaValar1: I assume some went to
Lasgalen
MaglorV: and then there is
Greenwood
VardaValar1: A batch would have gone
to southern Lasgalen with Celeborn
VardaValar1: The Lasgalen/Greenwood
elves stayed on
VardaValar1: Not spoiled by a Ring
;-)
Menelvagor Valar: true, but where would
you find a large forest like that these days?
VardaValar1: Yosemite National Park
MaglorV: ahh, another good point
MaglorV: North America?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: Quite a few large
national parks
MaglorV: yeah, but how would
they get here?
VardaValar1: They have parks all
over the world
Menelvagor Valar: ah!
VardaValar1: Wear a low hat? : )
Eonwe Valar: There's also the
Amazon, and the jungles of Africa
Menelvagor Valar: it's a government
cover-up to hide the existence of the Elves :-D
VardaValar1: hehehe
MaglorV: hehe, yeah
VardaValar1: Any park ranger would
surely assist : )
MaglorV: so UFOs are elven
fireworks?
GilraenV: they're the origin of
the robin hood story... elves in sherwood forest ^.~
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: hmmm
VardaValar1: We could have fan fics
come out of this : )
Menelvagor Valar: where else would Yogi
learn to talk?
MaglorV: haha, ouch, i dont want
to step into that territory
GilraenV: *laughs*
Menelvagor Valar: OR
Menelvagor Valar: Yogi is one of the last
descendants of the Beorn line :-)
VardaValar1: The elves would
probably have diffused all over the world, in this length of time
VardaValar1: Must be it, Menel : )
VardaValar1: They would have caused
a ton of superstitions and folklore
MaglorV: lol, my pet in WoW is
named Beorn
GilraenV: bigfoot
VardaValar1: and movies
VardaValar1: I see a lot of Tolkien
names in WoW among the Night Elves
MaglorV: yeah
VardaValar1: Hope the GM's don't
crack down on them too much
Menelvagor Valar: hehe :-)
VardaValar1: So Orodreth and
Fingolfin
MaglorV: I have already sent 3
people to the Valar Guild site :-)
VardaValar1: o cool!
MaglorV: they seemed really
interested in joining
Eonwe Valar: good job Maglor :}
VardaValar1: Maglor, super-recruiter
: )
MaglorV: one was named Tulkas
Menelvagor Valar: well, WoW is the next
best thing for a Tolkien fan to play and see some of his fanship back in
MaglorV: the other two
recognized my name and asked me about it
VardaValar1: Very good
Menelvagor Valar: not counting MEO there,
since it has not been released yet
VardaValar1: Mine is just not Tolkien
VardaValar1: I hope MeO is watching
WoW closely
Menelvagor Valar: and EQ2
VardaValar1: sye
VardaValar1: aye
GilraenV: Well, I should be off.
long day tomorrow.
Menelvagor Valar: I've seen a couple
screenshots on trolls
in EQ2
VardaValar1: Good night, Gilraen!
Eonwe Valar: If someone recognizes
my name, I'll definitely have to consider a test :}
Menelvagor Valar: they were hideously
beautiful
GilraenV: Namarie all.
MaglorV: Namarie
Menelvagor Valar: namarie
VardaValar1: Namarie
GilraenV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: I actually think the
trolls seen in the movie are a bit overdone
VardaValar1: All those online fees
kill the number of games we can play
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: yep
VardaValar1: How so, Menel? (not
arguing, just curious)
MaglorV: but all I want to play
now is WoW, im hooked
Menelvagor Valar: well, we all know that trolls are big and generally dumb,
right?
VardaValar1: new game, Maglor : )
VardaValar1: And green : )
VardaValar1: Huge flat feet
Menelvagor Valar: not necessarily :-)
VardaValar1: Just the ones described
Menelvagor Valar: but their color is
beside the point
Menelvagor Valar: I think the trolls in
the movies are not just big, but rather beefy
VardaValar1: What's wrong with beefy?
Menelvagor Valar: and not just dumb, but
plain stupid
VardaValar1: You want a troll that's
really dim, try the one in Harry Potter ; )
Menelvagor Valar: well.... the
visualisation make it seem it is ALL brute force
Menelvagor Valar: and very little agility
VardaValar1: Did you see much
agility in the ones in the books?
MaglorV: the books say very
little about them
Menelvagor Valar: well, considering the
little room the Troll in Moria was in, he was quite nimble
VardaValar1: The ones attacking at
the gate of Mordor could handle weapons anyway
Menelvagor Valar: but I shouldn't quote
on the books too much, haven't reread yet :-)
VardaValar1: Can always drag out a
book and flip through to the spot : )
VardaValar1: You thought the room
was little?
MaglorV: page 420 in my book :-)
VardaValar1: Had lighting from up
high I think?
MaglorV: in Bridge of Khazad-dum
Eonwe Valar: The hill trolls at the
Battle of the Morrannon were described as agile and cunning, weren't
they?
VardaValar1: Single-minded attackers
Eonwe Valar: if they took time to
bite out their victim's throats, I'd hope they were agile
VardaValar1: aye : )
Menelvagor Valar: ok, it is green
Menelvagor Valar: and scaled
Menelvagor Valar: not just one big hide
VardaValar1: Just had to revert to
type instead of remembering weapon. Ah the yumminess
VardaValar1: Scaled, aye
VardaValar1: Don't remember if the
movie showed any scales
Eonwe Valar: well, I'd hope for
their sakes,.. if I was fightinig them I'd hope they were slow as
molasses :}
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Need a blade like Frodo's, too
VardaValar1: Boromir's just bounced
off, as I remember
MaglorV: "The hobbit's bite is
deep"
VardaValar1: Boromir's would have
been a really good blade, being the Stewards' heir
MaglorV: but it wasn't Sting
VardaValar1: Needed that extra
VardaValar1: Go Sting!
MaglorV: not an elven blade,
forged in Gondolin :-)
VardaValar1: Better get rid of the
trolls while elven weapons are still around!
Menelvagor Valar: both of you are correct
:-)
VardaValar1: Yay us : )
Eonwe Valar: If the Steward was as
fortunate as the king, it would be a Dwarf blade
MaglorV: Who had a dwarf blade?
Eonwe Valar: As I recall, Narsil was
forged by Telchar the Dwarf
Menelvagor Valar: excuse my personal
preference, but I'd say a Gondolin sword was better than a dwarven blade
VardaValar1: Aye, fka Turgon.
Eonwe Valar: Menelvagor, I would
love nothing more than to be able to agree with you :}
VardaValar1: No bias there, of course
MaglorV: hehe, I'm and elf fan
too
VardaValar1: And reforged by
Rivendell elves
Menelvagor Valar: well, of course, I must
admit that the very best of blades were made by Eol
VardaValar1: Double good
Menelvagor Valar: and he had extensive
knowledge of Dwarven smithying
Eonwe Valar: believe me, I would
like to say Elves all the way, but I've seen too many inferences that
seem to say Dwarves were superior in the durability of weapons and armor
MaglorV: they were definately
better at building
VardaValar1: Go Dwarves!
VardaValar1: But Anduril had some
elf help
Menelvagor Valar: but after the
Silmarillion, they have rarely made any swords
Menelvagor Valar: usually axes
Menelvagor Valar: lots and lots of axes
Eonwe Valar: Elves of course had
other things to bring to the table when making their weapons.
VardaValar1: Where do you get that,
Menelvagor?
VardaValar1: Go Elves : )
Menelvagor Valar: well.... the council of
Elrond is one hint, all Dwarves there bore axes
Menelvagor Valar: and in the Hobbit, as I
recall, none of the Dwarves used swords in the Battle of the five Armies
VardaValar1: You going by book or
movie?
Menelvagor Valar: this is book
MaglorV: There were swords AND
axes littlered on the floor of Balin's tomb
VardaValar1: Mirkwood elves used
spears too. Wouldn't guess from movie
Menelvagor Valar: of course, admitted,
only Dwarves I remember at the council are Gimli and Gloin
MaglorV: and it says only SOME
of trhe swords were crooked orc swords
Menelvagor Valar: or was it Oin...? :-)
Menelvagor Valar: good point there Maglor
VardaValar1: Gimli and Gloin were at
the Council in the book, aye. Not a crowd
Menelvagor Valar: but given the Dwarves
height, I would say they would make few swords, other than for "export"
MaglorV: in real life axes are
all but useless in battle...
MaglorV: thats why the Romans
kept winning
VardaValar1: Don't tell that to the
Vikings
Menelvagor Valar: no, that was superior
battle tactics
VardaValar1: or the axe throwers
Eonwe Valar: Well, a sword for a
Dwarf would be different than a sword for a human
MaglorV: haha, the vikings didnt
have many full battles, lots of raids
MaglorV: different tactics
Menelvagor Valar: Axes are usually better
than swords
MaglorV: haha
VardaValar1: An axe can sure give a
sword a problem
MaglorV: yeah, but an axe cant
parry
Menelvagor Valar: at least, when used
under the right circumstances
Menelvagor Valar: it can parry
VardaValar1: I've seen them parry
MaglorV: one swing, and you have
to hit, or the guy with the sword will gut you
Menelvagor Valar: the only thing they
can't really do is thrust
VardaValar1: Some types of axes have
a sharp point added for just that
Menelvagor Valar: well, try to miss with
a sword and have your head cut off by the axe :-)
Eonwe Valar: A quick swordsman would
have the advantage against an axe though, I'd think, since axes are
topheavy.
Menelvagor Valar: indeed Varda
Menelvagor Valar: true, Eonwe, but
therefore the right circumstances
MaglorV: exactly what im trying
to say Eonwe :-)
Menelvagor Valar: If you pitted an
Axemaster against a Swordmaster, I bet it would be a tie
MaglorV: haha
VardaValar1: I'd go for a bow ;-)
MaglorV: lol
Menelvagor Valar: then again, the
Bowmaster (or mistress) would come out on top putting a couple arrows
through both :-)
Eonwe Valar: assuming they couldn't
parry the arrows
MaglorV: hehe, that would be
awesome
VardaValar1: Keep them busy holding
up shields : )
VardaValar1: That would be cool to
see, sword parrying arrows
MaglorV: have you ever seen the
skeletons of Welsh bowmen?
Menelvagor Valar: the Romans had their
shielding very well arranged
MaglorV: they are soo messed up
from pulling the bowstring
VardaValar1: Lot of rank and file
bowmen had truly awful bows
Menelvagor Valar: the square shields can
block virtually any incoming arrow, except for the small slit in front
to look out of
VardaValar1: Not much more than a
stick with a string
VardaValar1: Aye, Romans were deadly
MaglorV: but the Welsh were the
best of the best, had a bow with like 80 pounds of pull
VardaValar1: Go Welsh! ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: and if there would be
an incoming volley, they would just shut the shields together and place
the top ones over the front ones to eliminate that slit
VardaValar1: Keep them on the
defensive, good plan
Eonwe Valar: you can still move in
that formation, be it slowly
VardaValar1: Romans could advance
holding up shields though
VardaValar1: Aye, Eonwe
VardaValar1: Back up, bowmen!
Menelvagor Valar: well, with several
Legions (1000 men) used in most campaigns, you would need a massive
amount of bowmen to halt them for long
MaglorV: ahh, but bowmen werent
widely used in roman times
Eonwe Valar: and a massive number of
arrows
VardaValar1: Clout!
MaglorV: the archer really wasnt
a battle winning force until the 100 years war
Menelvagor Valar: true, I think the only
one who has ever really utterly routed the Romans was Hannibal
Menelvagor Valar: Roman formations were
not used to having Elephants trampling through them :-)
MaglorV: the British beat them
in 4 ad
MaglorV: im mean 49 ad...
MaglorV: 4 ad the british lost
:-(
Menelvagor Valar: yet the south of
Britain came under Roman rule
MaglorV: yeah, later
MaglorV: Ceasars invasion failed
utterly
Menelvagor Valar: which one?
VardaValar1: but they were
assimalated...
MaglorV: what does this have to
do with Tolkien?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: weapons, we tangented
Eonwe Valar: We were discussing
weaponry :}
VardaValar1: Thanks for reminder : )
MaglorV: ahh... Digressions,
gotta love 'em
Menelvagor Valar: we're famous for them
:-)
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: we should trademark it
VardaValar1: As long as they are
good digressions : )
MaglorV: hey, I thought of a
Tolkien topic
Menelvagor Valar: Degression tm, by The
Valar Guild
VardaValar1: A third one? Cool
VardaValar1: hehe, Menel
MaglorV: what are the
differences between the Gandalf of The Hobbit and the Gandalf of LOTR
VardaValar1: Not so much from the
hobbits PoV
MaglorV: what I mean is they act
quite different
VardaValar1: He had to interact with
others than hobbits, making him change a lot
VardaValar1: Dwarves, he also
interacted with in the Hobbit
MaglorV: the first thing that
had me think of this is when he almost kills himself, when they are in
the trees
VardaValar1: Jog my memory, please
Menelvagor Valar: same here :-)
MaglorV: im trying to find it, 1
second
VardaValar1: Thanks
VardaValar1: Menel, you're rereading
LotR, right? About where are you now?
MaglorV: Here is part: Now you
can understand why Gandalf, listening to their growling andyelping,
began to be dreadfully afraid, wizard though he was, and to feelthat
they were in a very bad place, and had not yet escaped at all.
VardaValar1: warg riders
MaglorV: Then Gandalf climbed to
the top of his tree. The sudden splendourflashed from his wand like
lightning, as he got ready to spring down from onhigh right among the
spears of the goblins.
MaglorV: That would have been
the end ofhim, though he would probably have killed many of them as he
came hurtlingdown like a thunderbolt.
MaglorV: I cant imagine the more
mature Gandalf of the LOTR doing this
Menelvagor Valar: no, not rereading yet
VardaValar1: Aye, Maglor. Definite
change there
Menelvagor Valar: will finish Wheel of
Time part 9 first
MaglorV: hehe
MaglorV: do I know how to kill a
chat or what?
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: That wasn't a killer.
Very interesting
VardaValar1: Gandalf was less
powerful and wise in the Hobbit
VardaValar1: He needed to be much
more to handle the LotR plot
MaglorV: more of a traveling
conjurer, sometimes a fool
Menelvagor Valar: yet some of his
suicidal traits could be seen in LotR as well
VardaValar1: Can't think of him as a
fool. Pippin, maybe
MaglorV: i mean in The Hobbit
VardaValar1: Self-sacrificing,
rather than suicidal : )
Menelvagor Valar: he knew full well he
couldn't stand against the Balrog in Moria
Menelvagor Valar: what I mean :-)
VardaValar1: That was
self-sacrifice. Aye
MaglorV: true, that was self
sacrificing
VardaValar1: He did it for the good
of the world
MaglorV: but the Hobbit excerpt
isnt quite the same
Menelvagor Valar: well
MaglorV: he hasnt provided a way
for the others to escape
VardaValar1: It was also
self-sacrifice though
Menelvagor Valar: I know somewhere there
is a reason for why he wanted Smaug removed
MaglorV: so they would have been
up a tree without a wizard
VardaValar1: He would have blown a
hole in the enemy, maybe letting others escape
MaglorV: maybe
VardaValar1: They were without a
wizard a long time. Bilbo had to fill in
Menelvagor Valar: because Sauron might
have used him and the North of ME would be in shambles
Eonwe Valar: If Smaug were not
removed before the WotR, that would've been another weapon for Sauron
to bring upon the Free Peoples
VardaValar1: Smaug caused a weak
spot, aye
Menelvagor Valar: the mission to remove
Smaug was at that time as vital as the Ring would become later
VardaValar1: Sauron would have
manipulated him into attacking
MaglorV: the story of Gandalf's
planning of that is interesting
MaglorV: its made to look like
it was just luck that Gandalf started it
Menelvagor Valar: true
Menelvagor Valar: but so it was luck, or
fate that started the Quest for the Ring
Menelvagor Valar: namely, by that chance
meeting of Thorin in Bree
MaglorV: yeah
MaglorV: "But at last there came
about by chance a meeting between Gandalf and Thorin that changed all
the fortunes of the House of Durin, and led to other and greater ends
beside."
Menelvagor Valar: aye
MaglorV: "On a time Thorin,
returning west from a journey, stayed at Bree for the night. There
Gandalf was also. He was on his way to the Shire, which he had not
visited for some twenty years."
Menelvagor Valar: and mark, greater ends
:-)
MaglorV: yep
Menelvagor Valar: and this is in
Appendices, right?
MaglorV: yeah
MaglorV: "The Dragon Sauron
might use with terrible effect. How then could the end of Smaug be
achieved?"
MaglorV: "It was even as Gandalf
sat and pondered this that Thorin stood before him, and said: 'Master
Gandalf, I know you only by sight, but now I should be glad to speak
with you."
MaglorV: "For you have often
come into my thoughts of late, as if I were bidden to seek you. Indeed
I should have done so, if I had known where to find you.'"
MaglorV: interesting start to
such a wonderful series of events :-)
MaglorV: ....
Menelvagor Valar: well... Tolkien often
stated such events as fate
Menelvagor Valar: not luck
MaglorV: yeah, or the will of
some other force (read Valar)
Menelvagor Valar: seems we have gone
awohl this time :-)
VardaValar1: For you have often come
into my thoughts of late, as if I were bidden to seek you.
Menelvagor Valar: not just yet I guess :-)
VardaValar1: Chance, heh
VardaValar1: Valar messing around
MaglorV: yep
VardaValar1: I had to toss some dead
animal in the oven for dinner : )
VardaValar1: ribs of same
Menelvagor Valar: haha :-)
MaglorV: lol, that is a very
appetizing way of saying it
Menelvagor Valar: cow?
VardaValar1: Wouldn't tell that to
the diners
VardaValar1: Aye
MaglorV: mmm
VardaValar1: Didn't take it down
with a bow.
VardaValar1: Chance. We can often
read that as Valar in Tolkien : )
Menelvagor Valar: aw
VardaValar1: Makes interesting
reading, trying to see or make up between the lines
MaglorV: yeah
Menelvagor Valar: or read later some in
betweens that have been in betweens in former chapters :-)
VardaValar1: hehe
Menelvagor Valar: Menelvagor or Turgon, I
remain uncannily crafted in confusing sentences :-)
MaglorV: lol
VardaValar1: : )
VardaValar1: I'm going to bug out,
play some WoW
MaglorV: hehe, me too
VardaValar1: Probably should get
work done instead
VardaValar1: but hey, it's Sunday ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: and I'm out to play
FF-X2
VardaValar1: Happy hunting!
VardaValar1: Be it axe, sword, bow,
or knife : )
Menelvagor Valar: will keep chat open in
case of any events, for saving purposes
VardaValar1: Thank you!
MaglorV: ok, namarie all. See
you in game Varda ;-)
Menelvagor Valar: all of them I think
VardaValar1: See you there,
Kanafinwe : )
Menelvagor Valar: but instead of bow, guns
Eonwe Valar: Anybody know someone
named Aloha 5463?
VardaValar1: Not offhand
MaglorV has left the room.
Menelvagor Valar: not sure I remember
correctly
VardaValar1: Why?
Menelvagor Valar: but I think he is
leafie's lover
Eonwe Valar: I recieved a PM from
them last week as well, asked if there was something I could help them
with, and they said no
Eonwe Valar: ok, then I'm not
accepting the pm
VardaValar1: What pm for?
Eonwe Valar: nothing,.. it contained
no message except hi
Menelvagor Valar: heh
Menelvagor Valar: hate those
VardaValar1: I'm glad it's not for
me : )
VardaValar1: Off to reconnect
Eonwe Valar: hf
VardaValar1: You bet!
VardaValar1: Have to catch up with
Sauron : )
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