March 26, 2017 Sunday Meeting
EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
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Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding)
General gaming report
Topic: Discuss whether the
Elves who had not been to Valinor but had descended from those who did,
would be counted as high elves? This is a question brought up by
controversy over an upcoming class in LotRO. Who are some of those
elves that we know of?
Flashgaming Reviews by
Personal gaming by Ar-Pharazon and Arien
Ar-Pharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar (Eonwe Valar) has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
Eonwe Valar: Afk for a few minutes before the meeting. Hope it goes
well for you.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Saw your message on the forum; and yeah, I was under the
impression it was the 18th, not the 28th :-)
Eonwe Valar: Back
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, we seem to be light on people.
Eonwe Valar: THanks.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Arien may be on the wrong version again.
Eonwe Valar: Let me bring that up then.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Can you use that to invite her here?
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, It's not letting me sign in on the new AIM.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Probably better if she logs into the old one.
Ar-Pharazon-V: But just try convincing her of that ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Just like me, it won't let her have both up this week.
Eonwe Valar: One second Phar.
Eonwe Valar: I'm trying to see if Arien can bring you into the new
Group Chat so we can be in the same room.
Eonwe Valar: Otherwise I might have to switch versions now.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I'd rather stay with this one, it makes for cleaner
Ar-Pharazon-V: Just tell her to log over >.>
Eonwe Valar: It does, but we won't have a choice next week :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: Yes, well, next week I'm installing the new version.
Eonwe Valar: And the code on this one for the chat room isn't bad. You
can even still save the conversation from this old version.
Ar-Pharazon-V: What is this obsession people have with getting new
versions of everything while the old ones are still working?
Eonwe Valar: Usually it's new features. For this one, for me, it's
because I have to know what's going to happen before we start dragging
everyone into it.
Eonwe Valar: Because they're forcing us into it, heh.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Yeah, alright, but for the meeting it's still fine.
Eonwe Valar: This "new version" of AIM has actually been around for a
few years now.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Irrelevant, since the point of the new one still stands
Ar-Pharazon-V: *the old one
Ar-Pharazon-V: So either I install the new one, and I have no idea how
to transcript, or Arien goes back to the old one, that's basically the
Eonwe Valar: No, you don't have to install it this week.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I do if I want to transcript. I didn't manage to get
that to work last time we tried.
Eonwe Valar: If someone over there can invite you into the new Group
Chat, you can still save it as you would've.
Ar-Pharazon-V: No, because it figures as an IM.
Eonwe Valar: It works for me just fine, and I'm in the Old one.
Eonwe Valar: IMs should be saveable too from Old AIM anyway.
Eonwe Valar: New AIM doesn't have a spearate save function anyway.
Eonwe Valar: *separate
Ar-Pharazon-V: Fine. Get me in. But let it be known for the record that
I do so with reluctance.
Eonwe Valar: You can set it to save to your computer, but that's it.
Parsing out the meeting minutes will be a pain anyway.
Ar-Pharazon-V: All the more reason to stick to the old one one last
Eonwe Valar: Well, I'm also trying to see if Arien still has Old AIM
installed, but I'm explaining to you about New AIM too.
Eonwe Valar: I could probably write a PHP code to parse the meeting
minutes from the new code, but then Varda would have to install PHP on
her computer, or make a dummy server on her computer/flash drive :}
Arien V (AriehnV) has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: The HTML looks well-formed, as one would expect, so I
could probably even run it through an XSL stylesheet to get the meeting
Eonwe Valar: Until AIM breaks it, heh.
Arien V: right aiya .. this is the old version now ^^ .. it
installed over the new one
Ar-Pharazon-V: Should be the last time you need it :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Thank you. I'd rather not go into the new version until
I need to and I'd rather not have to figure out transcripts until then,
even if Eonwe says it's impossible ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Ok, now that we are together again, one last time in Old
Eonwe Valar: Elen
Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: It's safe to say we're gonna have fun the next couple of
Eonwe Valar: With New AIM.
Ar-Pharazon-V: At least DST is back to normal ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Any questions from members on New AIM, you can ask on the
Forum and I'll try to answer. Make sure you get invited to the new
Group Chat over there. It's still "Valar Guild Meetingplace" but as far
as I can tell you can't invite yourself.
Eonwe Valar: It's more exclusive that way, heh.
Eonwe Valar: And aye Phar :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: Odd. So how does the first person get in?
Eonwe Valar: He creates the channel when he invites 2 or more people.
Eonwe Valar: Once the "channel" is created, it always exists.
Eonwe Valar: You're always in the Group unless you choose to leave.
Ar-Pharazon-V: But I can't "create" the channel by inviting 2 others
and get myself in?
Ar-Pharazon-V: If it already exists?
Eonwe Valar: No, you'll apparently create a new channel with the same
name but a number at the end.
Eonwe Valar: so "Valar 2" instead of "Valar" if Channel "Valar" already
Ar-Pharazon-V: So you could apparently hijack a room-name.
Eonwe Valar: It also seems that over there, when you enter you'll get
to see the conversation since you last logged out too.
Eonwe Valar: If you were the first person to make it ever, yes.
Eonwe Valar: Or someone who catches it if everyone else had abandoned
the channel name, I suppose.
Ar-Pharazon-V: There's no way to kick people out of the channel? I
thought you did that last time.
Eonwe Valar: I can kick people out.
Ar-Pharazon-V: so you could kick people out and not invite them back
in, and keep it for yourself
Eonwe Valar: If I were that kind of person, yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Like I said, hijack :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Or can only the creator do that?
Eonwe Valar: From what I've read, Creator only.
Ar-Pharazon-V: So if the creator goes awol..
Eonwe Valar: But since I haven't had alot of opportunity to test since
finding willing participants can be difficult outside of meetings :}
I'm going by assumption and reading.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Anyone who enters can't get out and will always be
subject to anything said in there ;-)
Eonwe Valar: No, in New AIM you can leave of your own volition. Getting
in is the tough part.
Eonwe Valar: But with the "always in" feature, it does make it easier
to stay in contact with members of the Valar Guild,... if that's
actually a goal for a member :}
Eonwe Valar: Having looked at the HTML for a meeting channel in the New
AIM, it looks cleaner than Old AIM. The pain is going to be parsing
through a long file, but it also may mean no more incomplete
transcripts pieced together for Varda, since members missed should be
sent to the user upon logging back in.
Eonwe Valar: *members missed = messages missed
Ar-Pharazon-V: That is the most useful feature I've seen from it so
far, yes :-)
Eonwe Valar: Hmmm,...
Eonwe Valar: Although, taking a look here at how it saves to the file a
little closer, I'm noticing a big problem.
Eonwe Valar: I'm seeing that everything that isn't me,.. is "Valar
Guild Meetingplace" as the speaker. Obvious problem there.
Eonwe Valar: See, this is why I needed to test beforehand: to catch
this stuff early :}
Eonwe Valar: Anyway, like I said, fun for the next couple of weeks.
Eonwe Valar: In other Membership news: Varda must've had something come
up. Did either of you get an e-mail from her?
Arien V: nothing here
Ar-Pharazon-V: Not me.
Arien V: I hope she is okay
Eonwe Valar: Indeed. I'm sure it's nothing serious.
Eonwe Valar: Well, nothing too serious. Must've been *something* for
her to miss the meeting :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: Any gaming activity the last few days? Or is that best
kept for a further section? :-)
Eonwe Valar: I could check in LotRO, see when she was last there.
Arien V: i ll check that
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Arien.
Eonwe Valar: In the meantime:
Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: No new web news right now, but there's always some work
going in the background, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: World of Warcraft:
Eonwe Valar: Coming this Tuesday, March 28th: Patch 7.2: The Tomb of Sargeras!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Wednesday for Europe.
Eonwe Valar: There was another VoD Q&A this week,
this one on content in patch 7.2. Check out what was said, and see the
patch 7.2 trailer here. (Interesting looking trailer)
Eonwe Valar: A new preview for patch 7.2 is out: Patch 7.2 Preview: A Challenging Appearance!.
Eonwe Valar: And of course Check out the latest hotfixes.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oh yes, very interesting trailer, also good set up for
Arien V: Fainan shows on online last at 3.14 am this time
Eonwe Valar: Ok, so she's been on recently.
Arien V: yeah
Ar-Pharazon-V: that's good :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: and yet, slightly worrying
Arien V: causes me to worry actualy
Arien V: if someehting came up in her family she surely would have said
Ar-Pharazon-V: Might be computer trouble then? But she usually finds
some way to communicate.
Eonwe Valar: If she had time to e-mail, aye.
Eonwe Valar: Might be having internet issues related to the previous
work she was having done on her house. [Note: internet cable was
accidentally cut in two places during work on the house.]
Eonwe Valar: Lord of the Rings Online:
Out this week: Update 20!
Eonwe Valar: From the News page, updated by Varda during the week:
Eonwe Valar: "Featured instance aka box run this week: 6-man Haudh
of Strategy guide. Light oils (vs all wraiths vs reflected
damage), Hope tokens, potions for Disease (kergrim and wights) and Fear
(spirits). No AOE on limrafn waves due to reflected damage (reflect
100% of fire damage). Westernesse damage works against Valandil's
Eonwe Valar: "Update 20! Servers will be down for the update "Battle of
the Black Gate" from around 8:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Eastern. Here are the release
notes from Cordovan. Here's a few of the things he
regions, two new dungeons, new flora quests. New quests will start at
the Camp of the West. Epic Volume IV, Book 8.
different factions of the Host of the West.
recipes. Four new customizable chat tabs. New animations for a batch of
Box run: 6-man Wraith of Earth."
Eonwe Valar: "Spring Festival begins."
Eonwe Valar: Arien, if you're still in LotRO, are you able to throw
together a quick list of who was on this week?
Arien V: Arien
Arien V: Morwen
Arien V: Fainana
Arien V: Varda i mean
Arien V: Fangorn
Arien V: Dis
Arien V: Elledan
Arien V: Elladan
Arien V: Lenwe
Arien V: Erkenbrand
Ar-Pharazon-V: am I still here? had a bit of lag everywhere :-)
Eonwe Valar: You're here, aye.
Eonwe Valar: Assuming Arien is still completing the list :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: ah, nothing missed then!
Eonwe Valar: If she'd still letting us know who was there for the week
I don't want to interrupt, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: *If she's
Arien V: Elwing
Arien V: nar
Arien V: Thats it as far as i could make out
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Arien.
[Insert: alphabetical list made by Varda for the last week, after
internet cable was temporarily repaired:
Eonwe Valar: I need to wrap up soon, so I'm going to speed through the
rest of the gaming news.
Eonwe Valar: Diablo 3:
Eonwe Valar: Out this week: Patch 2.5.0.
Eonwe Valar: For those who play on XBox One and
Playstation 4, this patch also brings seasons to those versions.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Did season 10 start, then?
Eonwe Valar: Not yet, a couple more days. 31st I think.
Eonwe Valar: Starcraft 2:
Eonwe Valar: Starcraft 2 will be celebration Noble
Garden. Check out the announcement to see the portraits you can earn.
Eonwe Valar: We also got another preview for patch
3.12: Patch 3.12 Preview: Brand New Skins.
Eonwe Valar: Starcraft:
Eonwe Valar: Heroes of the
Because one Starcraft just isn't enough, and who can argue?,
Blizzard is going to be releasing Starcraft Remastered.
It is exactly as it sounds :} Follow that link, watch the video, play
with the slider on the images to compare, then go train more SCVs to
mine the minerals to buy this one :}
Eonwe Valar: There was a hotfix this week.
Eonwe Valar: Hearthstone:
Eonwe Valar: A new E. Malone's Journal is out: E. Malone's Journal - Week Three.
Eonwe Valar: Check out the Hearthside chat: Hearthside Chat: Un'Goro Quests with Peter Whalen.
Eonwe Valar: There was also a stream this week.
Arien V: ((adding Nimrodel to the list missed her before))
Ar-Pharazon-V: Note, while Starcraft Remastered will have a price,
they're also making the original (and expansion) free to download.
Eonwe Valar: Also, Wow Lothar
because I just remembered to add it, heh: I saw Bofur and Nob were on
during the week.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I might do that, I'm not sure I actually have any..
legitimate.. copies lying around right now....
Eonwe Valar: And aye, if you haven't tried Starcraft before, you can
try it for free soon(TM)
Eonwe Valar: And then decide to go buy a remastered version, hehehe.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I dunno, it might be rather nostalgic. But I'll probably
go for both for collection's sake anyway :-)
Eonwe Valar: Aye, I'm just waiting to see if they're going to make a
collector's edition for it, lol.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Good point!
Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Arien V: one thing Eonwe i d like to mention
Arien V: from Eve online
Eonwe Valar: Sure, go ahead Arien.
Arien V: they have a free alpha version where you can fly starter ships
up to cruiser class and train simple skills up to level 3
Arien V: if you want to try out or play casual that is enough for level
one and two missions
Arien V: its a nice thing if you dont want to spend a lot of time there
Arien V: but enjoy flying around in space a tiny bit :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Arien V: thats it :-)
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
The PTR is up.
Eonwe Valar: As for Tolkien, I had a topic for tonight that I actually
intended for last week. Because business took up most of this week's
meeting, and I don't have much time for Tolkien, I'll leave this option
up to you:
Eonwe Valar: 1.) I can go ahead and give you the topic for you to enjoy
and mull over as you see fit, or
Eonwe Valar: 2.) You can wait until I make a forum post for discussion
of it this week.
Eonwe Valar: Which would you two prefer?
Ar-Pharazon-V: In which case we'd discuss it on the forum, or in next
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Ar-Pharazon-V: is that an "Aye" to both? :-)
Eonwe Valar: Either way I'll make the forum post this week. If we
discuss it at the meeting next week as well, great.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well, is it a topic that should be discussed with
Eonwe Valar: It's part research/knowledge, part opinion I suppose.
Eonwe Valar: Hard to really describe it without just giving it to you.
It requires knowing about the topic, and extrapolating from that and
certain aspects of the real world, I suppose is a long way to put it.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sounds like something that'd be more fun with more than
just me and Arien on a late sunday night :-)
Eonwe Valar: I hope it would be :}
Ar-Pharazon-V: But I suppose we could give it a start, some early
Ar-Pharazon-V: Unless you have something else in mind.
Eonwe Valar: Not that it would be boring with you two, but as I thought
this was a pretty clear-cut case, and my topic was prompted by
somethign suggesting it was not, it could get interesting.
Eonwe Valar: I can introduce the topic, sure. Probably about the only
thing I have time for at this point :}
Eonwe Valar: One sec, I typed it up for Varda in case I missed tonight.
Arien V: which topic?
Eonwe Valar: I was reading the LotRO interview
linked on the News for March 17th, and found a certain part about how
they're defining High Elves interesting. The way it read to me, it's
like they expected it to be controversial that the term would encompass
the descendants of these elves as well. So, what do we know of the High
Elves, both in LotR where their license lies, and outside i.e.
Silmarillion, the term's application, history, etc., and why should or
shouldn't their definition be controversial?
Eonwe Valar: If you want to knowwhat interview: http://www.mmo-central.com/2017/01/31/going-mordor-standing-stone-games/
Ar-Pharazon-V: So, basically, whether
the Elves who had not been to Valinor but had descended from those who
did, would be counted as high elves?
Eonwe Valar: That boils it down, yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well it would disclude a lot of people, including Elrond
and Gil-Galad. On the other hand, we don't consider Thingol's
descendants high elves either.
Ar-Pharazon-V: disclude, that's a word, right..?
Eonwe Valar: Yes.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Maybe it's exclude..
Eonwe Valar: both work
Eonwe Valar: And why don't we consider Thingol's descendants
High-Elves? We consider him a Calaquendi.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Not sure, I've just never seen them referred to as such.
Eonwe Valar: Luthien could've been considered High-Elven. Dior might be
trickier because the father is human.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Which might be the cause of the supposed controversion.
Eonwe Valar: That's when we get into the issue of of the half-elven.
Eonwe Valar: And that's where I need to call it, hehe.
Ar-Pharazon-V: fair enough :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: We can continue next week?
Eonwe Valar: I'll get the forum post u during the week, and if we still
have the interest to continue next week, and I am able to make it, we
can continue. If I can't, you all can continue without me :}
Eonwe Valar: *forum post up
Eonwe Valar: *bangs gavel*
Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting:
Eonwe Valar: Take care all, good night, sleep well, and see you next
week in New AIM :}
Arien V: Namarie :-)
Eonwe Valar (Eonwe Valar) has left the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I'll finish this Withered scenario before launching into
Arien V: all right
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oki, let me round up some flashgames.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Right, this'll do.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Personal gaming report!
is the first one, a driving game with rather tough controls where you
have to make it to the finish over streets in a city, keeping as much
of your cargo on the car as possible while also picking up coins. Can
be a bit slow to react, is rather silly hard actually ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Still, see how far you get before you throw your pc out
the window in frustration.
is the second game, an action game where you fight bosses on a small
level while collecting currency to upgrade your weapon and health.
Arien V: lol sounds like nothig for me
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well not every game I give is very good, sometimes the
pickings are slim ;-)
Arien V: mmh true
Arien V (AriehnV) has left the room.
ariehnv has been invited.
Arien V (AriehnV) has entered the room.
Arien V: oh was i kicked out?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Anyway, http://www.kongregate.com/games/CasualCollective/the-space-game
is a nice one.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Defensive strategy mission in space! Mine asteroids,
build defenses, fight against waves of pirates.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Nearly every building takes several upgrades, and there
are various different defensive buildings which are good for different
Arien V: sounds cool
Ar-Pharazon-V: yep :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: And now, blizzard gaming.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Heroes of the Storm:
Not much news. Gotten a few nice wins in, but no new levels, and the
brawl was an old one again.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Though I did fit some of the heroes with better fitting
mounts, which is always nice :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hearthstone: A
bit of an old brawl but with a new theme; rather than besieging
stormwind, you decorate it. Every time you attack the opponent it gets
more health, and it has some weapon upgrades too. See how far you can
get, 30 is the main goal for the decoration.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Been working on the Karazhan adventure, clearing the
prologue and first 2 wings. It's quite fun, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the
last few wings as well :-)
Arien V: good :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Now that they're combining the expansions with the
adventurers, I hope there are similar story sequences in Un'goro.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Lot of humor in the dialogue, as well, especially with
Ar-Pharazon-V: Speaking of, WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V: Yay more stuff done.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Maxed out all 6 reputations now, and got all the
patterns, pets and toys. Also a new tabard to fit with my dps spec
Ar-Pharazon-V: Favorite pet at this point is the baby elderhorn from
the Highmountain faction.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Using some of the patterns, I've maxed out my
leatherworking skill rather cheaply, and was able to make myself a new
mount, which is also an elderhorn!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Raiding: Not much news, a bit of farming of normal and
heroic bosses. Got my fourth item for unlocking the normal raid
teleporters, and got a nice necklace as reward which is actually good
for my catspec as well.
Ar-Pharazon-V: This week's weekly quest was 4 mythic dungeons. Did 3 of
my usual 4, but for the last one I went in with a group of friends as
they cleared the Vault of the Wardens, which I'd not done before. Seems
okay, though we went through it a bit quickly. I'm sure I'll go back
there more often.
Ar-Pharazon-V: World quests still going on, and after seeing a few days
*without* new different ones, for the first time, I decided to change
my policy and complete *every* new different quest I see instead of
just one a day. Last few days that has made it feel a bit busy, but
Ar-Pharazon-V: And of course that won't last very long, I'll run out
Ar-Pharazon-V: For Family Familiar, I've leveled my last few pets, and
been working on more pet masters as they popped up.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Got my 10th fight with both Bredda and Grixis, so that's
going pretty good. I also got up to 1000 pet charms, which allowed me
to buy a mirror toy which makes my pet look like myself. Had some fun
with that in raids already :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oh, I've also been working on Suramar, finally.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Bit late right before the next patch, but we'll see how
long it takes to catch up.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Finished the bit with the Vineyards, unlocking another
teleport there, which proves very useful because it's a good place to
farm ancient mana.
Arien V: very good
Arien V: yeah its a good farmplace
Ar-Pharazon-V: Which is good for withered training scenario; I got my
second-last toy out of those this week, only one to go.
Ar-Pharazon-V: From the withered reward chest that is.
Arien V: good
Ar-Pharazon-V: What else...
Ar-Pharazon-V: Appearances. Not much to add. Only got one of the two
items I needed from heroic Auchenai Crypts, so one to go.
Arien V: i ve got only shaman and warrrior as classes left to max ^
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah, nice :-)
Arien V: just as sidenot hehe
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oh, and finally I'll note the Warcraft Legends 1 and 2 manga books
arrived this week.
Arien V: i ve got most of them ready for heroics apart from the latest
Ar-Pharazon-V: Though something appears off with the printing, since
both books occasionally have words missing at the bottom of speech
Arien V: but gearing them for that is fast wth timewalking
Ar-Pharazon-V: ah yes :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Anyway, I do have scanned versions around, so I've been
thinking I could just fill in the words myself ;-)
Arien V: :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: And that's my report for this week!
Arien V: grats for it :-)
Arien V: and thanks you
Ar-Pharazon-V: You grats too!
Arien V: and bed time for me now .. next week its back to work after
two weeks holidays, sigh
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aw, good luck :-)
Arien V: well not the coming week ^^ but the week after
Arien V: and we ve beem playing infinity yesterday
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sounds big ;-)
Arien V: that is bruce has , we played on a large table and a big army
so his game took ages
Arien V: and we were a bit late with starting
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah, a tabletop game?
Arien V: ayep
Arien V: wargame
Arien V: bit of scify sort of .. strategy game with models and dice
Ar-Pharazon-V: handpainted figurines, that sort of thing?
Arien V: yeah and you got to glue them together , its up to the player
whether they want to paint them :-)
Arien V: for tournaments i understand it seems to be obligatory tho :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: "No, see, I used invisible paint!"
Arien V: it takes quite a while to deploy the troups and to work out
who goes first and so on
Arien V: and put the boards together of course
Ar-Pharazon-V: Funnest boardgames take a while to put together.
Arien V: but its quite fun and it gives us the chance to meet people
outwith work and computer world :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: large group?
Arien V: not really four guys normally and us
Ar-Pharazon-V: Still decent.
Arien V: they didndt really plan to go bigger but a customer of bruce
in the sweet shop mentioned it to him and he told me and asked whether
we were interested
Arien V: who i happen to know as well of course from my work ^^
Arien V: as customer
Arien V: namarie tho for now ^^ as i say last night got a bit late ..
or early ^^
Arien V: :-)
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How did they show appreciation
in Middle-earth and beyond?