June 25, 2017 Sunday Meeting
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
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Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
AIM: Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Lenwe, Varda
Games Site: tweaks ongoing
General gaming report
Topic: What would have
happened in the book world to Mordor after the One Ring was destroyed?
Are tentacles cuddly? Continued.
Flashgaming Reviews by
Personal gaming by Ar-Pharazon
Chat History for Valar Guild Meetingplace
Sunday, June 25, 2017
Times are Ar-Pharazon's in the Netherlands.
Lenwe (-V) (21:24:48): Aiya!
Ar-Pharazon-V (21:24:43): Aiya!
Arien V (22:18:19): aiya !
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:18:13): Aiya!
Varda Valar (22:56:00): Aiya :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:55:53): Aiya :)
Arien V (22:56:48): aiya :)#
Varda Valar (22:56:49): Pulling out of webwork,
loading up other stuff. We have 4 minutes!
Varda Valar (22:57:50): So much stuff with Tolkien,
seems as if it would be easier to come up with a topic, heh.
Varda Valar (23:02:37): Who all is present? :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:02:30): Here.
Arien V (23:02:47): halways :)
Arien V (23:02:50): here
Varda Valar (23:02:50): Present
Varda Valar (23:03:02): That's two and a half. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:03:20): Arien's in the hallway?
Varda Valar (23:03:49): Must be. Or she's turning
into a hobbit.
Arien V (23:04:50): hehe
Arien V (23:05:08): means just that i am lurking a
bit and rping at the same time ^^
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:05:35): Still doing catch-up stuff
in WoW myself. 4 days vacation really cuts into progress. I don't know
how you people manage to do weeks at a time.
Varda Valar (23:05:59): We just get behind.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:06:03): I need to collect 115 ribs
just to get Nomi up to speed again!
Varda Valar (23:06:54): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Varda Valar (23:06:57): Membership:
Varda Valar (23:07:49): Still seeing people pop up
after months and years of being away. :)
Varda Valar (23:08:00): Any membership news from
Arien V (23:08:29): :)
Varda Valar (23:09:00): Web:
Arien V (23:09:00): not really no . all as normal here
Varda Valar (23:09:07): Normal is good!
Varda Valar (23:09:09): Web:
Varda Valar (23:09:12): Tolkien Site:
Varda Valar (23:09:37): Updated the Timeline for
Third Age and Great Years. All major events are now present.
Varda Valar (23:10:09): Time to do the additions and
do even more linking into the rest of the Encyc.
Varda Valar (23:10:29): And of course, always a call
for articles. Updated the requested articles page too.
Eonwe Valar (23:10:32): Heya all.
Varda Valar (23:10:37): Eonwe, aiya!
Varda Valar (23:10:43): Any web news from you? :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:10:43): Oh. Membership: I'm back
Varda Valar (23:11:06): yay, we have a Phar!
Arien V (23:11:15): Eonwe aiya :) and welcome back
Eonwe Valar (23:11:15): Not really, just constant
reviewing and tweaking of code.
Varda Valar (23:11:21): (Must not say he's no longer
Varda Valar (23:11:40): Huzzah for the fine-tuning of
the Games Site!
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:11:34): Twas really busy, lot of
activities crammed into 4 days *nods* I laser battled for the first
Varda Valar (23:11:54): O fun. :)
Arien V (23:12:58): where have you been?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:13:19): Didn't leave the country.
Went to a sort of resort park thing. Centerparcs, not sure if it's
familiar in the UK.
Arien V (23:14:05): yeah they are i think
Arien V (23:14:15): I know what they are anyway :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:14:07): alright :)
Varda Valar (23:17:51): Any other Membership news?
Varda Valar (23:18:09): Gaming:
Varda Valar (23:18:40): World of Warcraft:
Varda Valar (23:18:44): See
the latest hotfixes.
Varda Valar (23:18:56): More hotfixes. See them.
Varda Valar (23:19:06): This
week's bonus event is for battlegrounds.
Varda Valar (23:19:26): Normal
and Heroic Tomb of Sargeras is now open. See the release schedule to find out when the Raid Finder
wings and Mythic will open up.
Varda Valar (23:19:36): Coming
this Friday: a Developer AMA.
Varda Valar (23:19:52): The
Midsummer Fire Festival is going. Don't miss out on
the new stuff!
Varda Valar (23:20:01): Check
out the answers to the Developer AMA.
Varda Valar (23:20:14): See
the latest hotfixes. . (For Sunday)
Varda Valar (23:20:28): Diablo 3:
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:20:20): Such many hotfixes.
Varda Valar (23:20:40): A
new blog is out for an upcoming feature: Challenge Rifts.
Varda Valar (23:20:52): It's
official! The Rise of the Necromancer pack comes out June 27th! See
what you get, and how much it is, in the official announcement.
Varda Valar (23:21:10): (Bilbo-V finds this very
interesting, the Necro coming out.)
Varda Valar (23:21:24): See
some of what's coming in patch 2.6 in the blog First Look: The Shrouded Moors & Beyond.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:21:18): *doesn't care about the new
class* hurrah, 15 euros for a new pet and 2 stash spaces :P
Varda Valar (23:21:38): Get
a deeper look into the coming new character class in the blog Deadly Roots: The Lore of the Necromancer.
Varda Valar (23:22:05): (Sauron-Valar used to play
the necro a lot, back in the day. Seemed fitting.)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:22:00): hehe
Varda Valar (23:22:19): Starcraft 2:
Varda Valar (23:22:27): Patch 3.15.0 is now out.
Eonwe Valar (23:22:33): $15 was better than what I
was expecting for it, so not so bad to me.
Varda Valar (23:22:44): Patch 3.15.1 is out, fixing and issue with the Mac
Varda Valar (23:23:08): Heroes of the Storm:
Varda Valar (23:23:16): A
new blog is up: Core Concepts: Team Leveling (Part 2).
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:23:05): Same price as for covert
ops, I think. Can't say for sure which one had/has more content though.
Varda Valar (23:23:54): What matters most is which is
*your* game. :)
Varda Valar (23:24:24): Hearthstone:
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:24:15): well, considering I haven't
even finished the Heart of the Swarm campaign yet... :P
Varda Valar (23:24:39): oops :)
Varda Valar (23:24:44): Some
changes are coming to card packs. Get more info in the update blog.
Varda Valar (23:24:55): Overwatch:
Varda Valar (23:25:03): The
PTR is available.
Varda Valar (23:25:24): Lord of the Rings Online:
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:25:11): Oh yes. Really liking those
changes. Basically means you can craft whatever legendary you want and
not worry about duplicates.
Varda Valar (23:25:54): The Featured Instance aka FI
aka Box Run this week until tomorrow is the 3-man Seat of the Great
Varda Valar (23:26:11): Check
out the Livestream Preview of Update 21.
Varda Valar (23:26:46): Bullroarer test server is up.
Lots of people have run over there to sample Mordor. Big excitement.
Varda Valar (23:27:29): We've already fought in the
Battle of the Pelennor, questing in the Slag-hills and the Wastes. So
already on the edge.
Arien V (23:27:57): very good :)
Varda Valar (23:28:01): We get to go inside Mordor
after the Ring is destroyed, where the baddies that are left are trying
to fill in a power vacuum.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:27:56): Oh, btw, for Heroes of the Storm, you've got
about one more day for the Malthael event, if you're still lacking
Arien V (23:28:33): still playing around with Helms
deep now and again .. without much success ^^
Varda Valar (23:29:01): It's best with a duo. Maybe
you can catch us on Discord or AIM if we're not on?
Varda Valar (23:29:16): Most of us will run Helm's
Deep for the Stars of Merit barters.
Arien V (23:29:22): the Deeping Wall atm ..
Arien V (23:29:37): yeah will keep my eyes open :)
Varda Valar (23:29:44): Will you have time after the
meeting? It will be pretty late for you.
Varda Valar (23:30:20): We'll see how things are
Varda Valar (23:30:37): Switching to fellow Valarites
seen this past week:
Varda Valar (23:30:39): LotRO:
Varda Valar (23:31:01): Starcraft/Broodwar:
Varda Valar (23:31:15): Starcraft 2:
Varda Valar (23:31:29): Any others?
Varda Valar (23:34:11): Any other business,
Varda Valar (23:34:27): Tolkien!
Varda Valar (23:35:13): The LotRO talk about Mordor
made me wonder about what would have happened in the book world after
the One Ring was destroyed.
Varda Valar (23:35:39): We know anything built up
using the power of the Ring had its rug pulled out from under it, so to
Varda Valar (23:36:00): Sauron and the Ringwraiths
Varda Valar (23:36:27): The fell-beasts may have been
mopped up by the eagles while disoriented, since so many eagles were
Varda Valar (23:36:52): Although some injured
fell-beasts may have survived, perhaps? Presumed dead at the time?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:36:47): Gandalf was set up to keep
an eye on the place with a fat expense account, to be voided only if he
ever decided to set foot back into Gondor... or was that the parody
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:37:25): I'm not sure how many fel
beasts were available, anyway. They seemed pretty selective mounts for
the ringwraiths. Maybe not too many of them around afterwards.
Varda Valar (23:39:28): We only know for sure of 9
Varda Valar (23:39:29): but
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:39:25): Possibly more, one of them
get shot down.
Varda Valar (23:39:56): we know the Nazgul were sent
back to be "reclothed", and may have been "re-horsed".
Varda Valar (23:40:01): Aye
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:39:54): Seems to me Sauron would
keep more than the minimum around, in case of casualties. He did seem
kind of a "strength in numbers" kind of guy.
Varda Valar (23:40:14): Agreed.
Varda Valar (23:40:27): They were also tough to breed
up and to handle once around.
Varda Valar (23:40:42): So there could have been a
few, either left for dead or extra mounts.
Varda Valar (23:41:10): We know Aragorn and Eomer
worked together, taking soldiers out to clear up bands of Orcs for
quite some time.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:41:04): They were left without a
master, riders, or pretty much any organizational breeding program
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:41:19): Not sure if they'd have
survived as a species on their own.
Varda Valar (23:41:35): Likely that there were still
bands of Harad, Easterlings, etc.
Varda Valar (23:41:44): Not likley as a species,
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:42:01): And yes, I do believe
Aragorn made furter incursions to Harad.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:42:04): *further
Varda Valar (23:42:40): Sauron was into breeding up
all manner of things, so some partly bred could have been loose or used
Varda Valar (23:42:45): as well as fully bred.
Arien V (23:42:51): well what about the orignal ones?
i mean there are rumors that they were in the way of producing
descendants like elves?
Varda Valar (23:43:27): Original what? Sorry, not
sure what you're referring to.
Varda Valar (23:44:26): If you mean Orcs, yes, they
were definitely producing in the normal manner. Not pod people like the
Arien V (23:45:45): yes orcs
Varda Valar (23:45:48): Since so many of the minions
expected to be bossed around and were of that mindset, some of the
upper levels could take advantage and try to set up their own small or
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:45:59): Some of them had that in
mind before Sauron fell, too.
Varda Valar (23:46:16): Aye, more than a rumor. So
they could have continued causing problems for a long time.
Varda Valar (23:46:32): Right. Some Orcs wanted to
form their own personal profit bandit gangs.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:46:23): Good opportunity to go
through with it. But they'd be hard pressed to keep any territory.
Arien V (23:46:44): the strongest takes the lead for
Varda Valar (23:46:48): And we know trolls liked to
waylay travelers for fun and profit and lunch.
Varda Valar (23:47:26): Aye, the strong leaders, and
they didn't have to be orcs at all, would still have their own old
commands and try to take others.
Varda Valar (23:47:40): This is my section of rubble!
Varda Valar (23:48:15): Also, there could have been
areas not wholly dependent on the Ring for a foundation or walls.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:48:29): Places the orcs might have
set up themselves.
Varda Valar (23:48:44): And they could tell their
minions to collect building parts and start rebuilding before Aragorn's
forces lopped off their heads. Incentive.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:48:42): Ah yes.
Varda Valar (23:49:16): Right. Orcs would definitely
set up their own bands.
Varda Valar (23:49:34): There were others than orcs.
Varda Valar (23:49:47): We know of the Mouth of
Sauron, for instance.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:49:38): Shelob's still around as
Varda Valar (23:50:05): True. Injured and angry, and
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:49:59): Unless Aragorn sent
expeditions in there to smoke her out.
Varda Valar (23:50:18): The Watchers were around.
Varda Valar (23:50:38): No mention of that in the
books, of Aragorn's forces going after her, but it's likely after what
Varda Valar (23:50:53): Or maybe that's too much
tunnel to smoke all of?
Eonwe Valar (23:51:17): Probably safer to collapse
the tunnel or just not go in and let her be.
Varda Valar (23:51:31): The Watchers in the stones
that Gollum led Frodo and Sam around may have still been there.
Varda Valar (23:51:47): Aye, Eonwe. They may also
have just let her stay and eat orcs.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:51:39): Could block off the
Varda Valar (23:52:36): True. Orcs might try to clear
tunnels for their own use or block off where they could as they knew
about Shelob. Plus Aragorn's forces messing with the entrances.
Varda Valar (23:53:17): Wargs were in Mordor too,
intelligent. Could have formed their own packs, or worked with other
Varda Valar (23:54:34): The whole place would have
been dangerous just from instability. Anyone staying there would have
tried to find a way to make it safer without making it too obvious
where they were unless they felt strong.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:54:36): After the initial collapse
it might be pretty stable.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:54:42): After the lava cools.
Varda Valar (23:55:28): Lava stablization. :) Some
Varda Valar (23:56:27): Forces from the south might
have come in just to see about loot. Maybe set up their own places in
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:59:55): Dunno. Would it really have
been more hospitable than Harad?
Monday, June 26, 2017
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:00:08): Though I guess there'd be
room, at least.
Varda Valar (00:00:39): Just for some. Most would
probably not move in.
Arien V (00:00:40): well vulcanic soil is said to be
pretty arable ^^ after a;; cooled off :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:00:42): good point
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:00:54): Lots of fresh minerals.
Arien V (00:01:36): maybe desperate people would move
there .. refugees or former slaves kept in the orc fortresses
Varda Valar (00:01:58): True, good farming. So that
would allow food where there hadn't been before, for the whole area.
Orcs, ex-minions of Sauron would have food.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:03:06): I wonder if said slaves and
refugees wouldn't prefer migrating to Gondor.
Varda Valar (00:03:58): They had heard scary stories
of how horribly the Gondorians would treat them. But some might try.
Varda Valar (00:04:42): They might have hoped to live
free of any master, with Sauron gone, but would have had a nasty
surprise soon enough, most likely.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:04:56): Orc warlords? Yes, probably.
Varda Valar (00:05:30): Aye. And other non-orcs.
Varda Valar (00:08:38): We know there were nameless
things in the deeps of Moria. Sauron knew that too, and would have used
them by placing them conveniently, and maybe offering them lucrative
Varda Valar (00:08:52): Others might have already
been living in Mordor.
Varda Valar (00:09:18): After all, where did those
things come from? Sauron may have known them quite well.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:09:30): Morgoth's creations, or
creatures from beyond akin to Ungoliant, perhaps.
Varda Valar (00:10:38): Aye. And Sauron did most of
the "creating" for Morgoth, corrupting things. Morgoth gave offers of
power, as did Sauron.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:11:40): It's likely Sauron would've
kept some in strategic locations in Mordor as last lines of defense.
But his fate was not decided by battle in Mordor, unless you count the
hobbits fighting Gollum :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:12:13): Their territories would've
been widely avoided by Mordor's lesser inhabitants though.
Varda Valar (00:13:00): Aye, or they would curry
favor if they knew how. Maybe some of those farm products, slaves they
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:13:46): "Here, you indescrible
horror god from the void, have a basket of apples! They're good for
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:13:52): *indescribable
Varda Valar (00:14:09): hehehehe
Varda Valar (00:14:25): And if it has a sweet
tooth... Could work!
Varda Valar (00:16:22): Sweet fang?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:16:45): sweet tentacle?
Varda Valar (00:17:49): Shades of Cthulu.
Arien V (00:17:56): tentacle .. definitly
Arien V (00:18:11): void monsters always have
Varda Valar (00:18:15): Well, it's about that time.
Eonwe needs to go, you guys should be given a chance to sleep.
Varda Valar (00:18:18): hehe, right!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:18:20): Well, the Watcher had
tentacles. Or was that movie/game only?
Varda Valar (00:18:50): The Watcher in the Water did
have tentacles, aye. With fingers on the ends.
Varda Valar (00:19:18): Pretty cool monster, unless
you have to meet it.
Varda Valar (00:21:07): *a hammer marches out from
the shelf and salutes smartly*
Varda Valar (00:21:30): *then it produces a paint
bucket and brush, quickly painting the hammerpad pink*
Varda Valar (00:21:45): *the hammer runs back to the
shelf at top speed*
Varda Valar (00:21:54): *the hammerpad shakes itself
Varda Valar (00:22:03): *we are now spotted pink*
Varda Valar (00:22:07): After-meeting!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:22:04): It didn't actually strike
the pad,did it?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:22:11): does that still count?
Arien V (00:22:28): must have been a kind of squid
Varda Valar (00:22:52): It did strike with a
Varda Valar (00:23:25): Oh, and there's the delayed
Varda Valar (00:23:31): It was a very fast painter.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:23:32): Why are tentacled creatures
supposed to be so scary? Is it the cold, slimy wriggly part of it?
Varda Valar (00:24:04): How cuddly does an octopus
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:24:05): Very, it just wants a hug!
Eonwe Valar (00:24:25): And if memory serves, at
least the ones I'm thinking of have suction cups with hooks in them.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:24:25): Ah yes, that's slightly
Varda Valar (00:24:45): Those suction cups are really
strong, too. Super hug!
Varda Valar (00:25:11): The hooks... Call it super
Eonwe Valar (00:25:17): hehe
Varda Valar (00:25:52): Anyway, free chat! Or run as
Eonwe Valar (00:27:25): That's my cue. Take care all
and have a good night :}
Varda Valar (00:27:49): Namarie, Eonwe! Thanks for
coming and for your webwork and so much. :)
Arien V (00:27:59): Namarie Eonwe :)
Eonwe Valar (00:28:04): *bow*
Varda Valar (00:28:13): *curtsey*
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:28:01): Namarie!
Arien V (01:18:54): Namarie gang .. got to catch up
some sleep ^^
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:18:47): Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:25:04): Will give gaming report in
a bit, after doing some Storm :) Silly friends who need to get up
Varda Valar (02:02:03): It's all in your time zones.
Varda Valar (02:02:16): Had a nice supper.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:02:14): yay!
Varda Valar (02:02:46): Hope Storm is going well?
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:03:19): Yep, just finished our two
matches for the day. Marshall raynor skin is quite nice :)
Varda Valar (02:03:46): I always liked that guy.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:19:14): Gaming report!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:29:35): Flashgaming:
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:30:28): http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/692571
Orange Revenge, I don't usually link from this site but the version I
found on the websites I usually get it from isn't working. So there.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:30:45): Solve math problems and
save tomatoes by getting the right number rescued.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:31:14): Seems to be a saving
problem, so maybe other websites are better... dunno, good luck finding
out, though, if you like the game enough :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:32:08): http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/tiny_frontier_saga
is the second game, a wild west themed roguelike game, you play a
sheriff who needs to save his fiancee from a gang of bandits.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:36:49): For the third game, http://www.kongregate.com/games/krangGAMES/beloved
is a small, simple puzzle game I got the badge for this week, few
minutes of entertainment but a bit preachy with its message.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:37:18): Not much of a great catch
this week, but I still hope you can enjoy them ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:40:40): Blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:42:06): Heroes of the Storm: Not much news.
Got home on friday, cleared the last 7 matches I still needed for the
Malthael event with a friend by spamming games with beginner AI and
simply trying to roll over the opposition as fast as we could,
sometimes within 10 minutes. Some maps don't lend themselves to that
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:42:21): Day after I did the brawl
for this week, a one-lane game with random heroes.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:43:20): Hearthstone: All heroes to 49! At
the cost of some daily quests, but I already missed out on a bunch last
week, a few more can't hurt. When I'm caught up on more stuff I'm sure
I'll be able to resume getting one quest a day again.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:44:12): This week's tavern brawl:
Choose a class, get a few class cards and a whole lot of webspinners
(1/1 spiders that give a random beast to your hand when killed). Quite
fun and random.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:44:25): WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:45:27): Missed the first 4 bosses
in Tomb of Sargeras normal this week because I was gone, but did see
and kill 3 later bosses tonight. Kinda tough, but fun. Some nice lore
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:46:59): No new recipes, pvp world
quests or pet master quests... quite boring on that front. I did get a
few more marks of honor from the weekly quest, which was winning 4
battlegrounds. Almost enough for the second arsenal now.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:48:29): Started working on some of
the midsummer fire festivals whenever I have time, but haven't had much
yet. I'll have to step up next week if I want to get the 1150 blossoms
I need to get my missing stuff.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:49:41): And finally (yes, it's a
short report, no surprise there) I did not yet get my last appearance
from Arcatraz. Just gotta keep at it!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:49:53): And that's my report for
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:51:57): Oh, I will share a funny
easter egg I found in the index to the Warcraft Chronicles volume 2
this week :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:52:17): "dreadlord, see Jaina
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:19:24): will send transcript
Varda Valar (04:19:49): Hantal