July 30, 2017 Sunday Meeting
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Transcript work by Arien, Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Varda
General gaming report by Eonwe
New game coming out: Legends
of Equestria. Report by Ar-Pharazon
Topic: How did the elven
affect the elves' development?
More Tolkien chat.
Flashgaming Review by
Varda Valar (15:45:45): Aiya
Arien V (16:00:02): aiya all
Varda Valar (16:00:15): Aiya Arien :)
Varda Valar (16:00:30): Not sure Phar is with us.
Video card may be out.
Arien V (16:00:48): ah right
Varda Valar (16:00:50): Eonwe figured is probably at
Varda Valar (16:01:04): Do you see Phar online? your
turn to give him a poke, maybe?
Arien V (16:01:27): he was last on 2 hours ago
Varda Valar (16:01:43): Thank you. :)
Varda Valar (16:01:58): Pretty empty on the Discord
Varda Valar (16:02:09): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Varda Valar (16:02:15): Membership:
Varda Valar (16:02:24): The sun and stars are here at
the same time. :)
Varda Valar (16:02:31): Web:
Varda Valar (16:02:40): Nothing new up on the Tolkien
ArPharazon-V (16:02:48): Aiya!
Varda Valar (16:02:50): News up for the Games site
Varda Valar (16:02:52): Phar!
Varda Valar (16:02:59): How's your computer doing?
Arien V (16:03:37): Phar your back :)
ArPharazon-V (16:03:41): Eh. Video card's broken in a
way, won't react to drivers well, and it's dying anyway.
ArPharazon-V (16:03:53): and yes, I've been in the
room for over half an hour, just afk :)
ArPharazon-V (16:04:17): Anyway, I'm here without
drivers, low resolution, not playing games much, in fact, all I've got
open now is this messenger :)
Varda Valar (16:04:27): o good. Glad you could make
EonweValar (16:04:29): Heya all.
Varda Valar (16:04:36): Eonwe, just in time. :)
ArPharazon-V (16:04:43): Got a new video card
ordered, should arrive during the week; after I return from vacation on
friday or saturday it should be fixed.
Varda Valar (16:04:45): About to go to Gaming News
Varda Valar (16:04:58): Ah, a nice thing to return
home to. :)
ArPharazon-V (16:05:10): With all that, I think I'll
postpone this transcript too, and might as well send you a triple one
next week ;)
Arien V (16:05:34): heya Eonwe :)
ArPharazon-V (16:05:54): And yeah, Arien, I was
online in WoW for a bit, checking mail... but only on the lowest
graphic quality, no raiding or anything.
Varda Valar (16:06:00): I'm picking them off the chat
room and putting them up. No worries. Sure will be nice to have your
much cleaner ones when you're back though!
Arien V (16:06:12): okay
Varda Valar (16:07:31): Eonwe
has the Games Report. :)
EonweValar (16:07:45): Thanks :}
ArPharazon-V (16:07:54): I can tell you for gaming
and personal gaming news that I haven't really done anything except a
few browser games and that WoW mail checking thing... but I do have a
bit of general news I'll give when there's a window open for me :)
Varda Valar (16:08:42): You can do your general after
Eonwe, might need to remind me!
World of Warcraft:
EonweValar (16:09:16): This week's bonus event is World
Finder Wing 3 is open this week.
EonweValar (16:10:02): More hotfixes.
recent for the week.)
Heroes of the Storm:
ArPharazon-V (16:11:00): Heh, I'll have so many
hotfixes to read about when I get back next weekend... I've been
neglecting it this week because everything works so slowly ;)
EonweValar (16:11:03): Check out the recent balance
EonweValar (16:11:51): A new comic series is out: Chilling
Tales From the Tavern. Three are up
EonweValar (16:12:10): Check out the Hearthside
Chat with Dave Kosak.
Also out: Icecrown
Tours - Part 2.
ArPharazon-V (16:12:27): comic series? Oh, looking
forward to seeing those...
Varda Valar (16:12:41): Phar posting time. :)
EonweValar (16:13:13): Bonus News: Mordor expansion
for Lord of the Rings Online
is coming Monday. Servers will be down
then for the update.
ArPharazon-V (16:13:19): Sorry for the interrupts ;)
EonweValar (16:13:50): Thus ends my report.
Varda Valar (16:14:02): Thenk you, Eonwe. :)
Varda Valar (16:14:15): Phar, would you like to add
your general gaming news?
ArPharazon-V (16:14:20): Sure.
ArPharazon-V (16:14:55): Right now we're a bit
between the announcement and the actual release, but I only just caught
up on it the week before my card died and I'd forgotten to mention it
ArPharazon-V (16:15:43): but Legends
of Equestria, the big MLP MMO that I've been following for
years, and participated in a few open server tests with, is now
preparing for the Open Access Release.
Varda Valar (16:15:51): Ah hah!
Varda Valar (16:16:10): Get past the llicensing
ArPharazon-V (16:16:41): After a closed beta sort of
thing that's been happening over some months, it will now be available
for anyone to play, though they want to continue adding content as we
go. Just like an actual MMO ;)
ArPharazon-V (16:17:09): Well, they've been avoiding
trademarked names and characters, and haven't had a cease & desist
letter yet, so it's looking good!
ArPharazon-V (16:17:28): So yeah, the "real" release
date will be on August 19 for those interested!
Varda Valar (16:17:33): Would be cool if they could
get a real license.
http://www.legendsofequestria.com/ for more information
ArPharazon-V (16:18:08): Hmm, they'd probably have to
give up a lot of control over the game if that was the case. But as it
is, they can do what they want so far, and it's free :)
ArPharazon-V (16:18:44): And that's my news!
Varda Valar (16:19:04): Thank you, Phar. A new game
is big news. ::)
Varda Valar (16:19:07): LotRO:
Varda Valar (16:19:17): The Mordor expansion is
Varda Valar (16:19:32): But it will be delayed a
little. Monday was the plan.
Varda Valar (16:19:57): This
news from a Dev:
ArPharazon-V (16:19:59): (afk a bit, back in 5
minutes, I'll hop into whatever topic's going on)
Varda Valar (16:20:00):
We are as excited as many of you to get
into Mordor, but we have some unfortunate news: we have to adjust the
release date. While preparing over the weekend to release the expansion
on Monday, we discovered an issue in the build that impacted the
ability of monsters and NPCs to move around correctly. This problem was
specifically identified in older content.
While correcting this issue is not a problem, the process to correct it
takes too long to be able to release Mordor on Monday. So, we have to
adjust the release date. We will have more info on the release date
soon. We will know a lot more in the next 24 hours or so, and will pass
along the info as soon as we can.
Varda Valar (16:20:59): Some of us have gotten the
scattered across the cheapest, middle, or the top version that have
been mentioned so far. Helps keep Standing Stone Games going.
Varda Valar (16:21:15): In LotRO this past week, we saw:
Varda Valar (16:21:58): In WoW:
Varda Valar (16:22:03):
Varda Valar (16:22:09): In SCBW:
Varda Valar (16:22:17):
Varda Valar (16:22:23): In SC2:
Varda Valar (16:22:31):
Varda Valar (16:22:39): Feel free to add in more!
Varda Valar (16:27:21): If there is no furhter news
or business or suggestions?
Varda Valar (16:27:26): then
Varda Valar (16:27:29): Tolkien!
Varda Valar (16:27:43): Here's a topic from Eonwe. ;)
Varda Valar (16:28:03): How did the elven Rings
affect the elves' development?
Varda Valar (16:29:38): First, the Rings' existence
meant they were interacting with Sauron, learning from him.
Varda Valar (16:30:07): Apparently he worked in a
coding virus for all the Rings made to let them hook into the One Ring
ArPharazon-V (16:30:12): Strange to call it
"development" when the primary effect was conservation :)
Varda Valar (16:30:16): No telling what else he
Varda Valar (16:30:20): There you go!
Varda Valar (16:30:35): They seemed to become
stagnant if they had a Ring.
Varda Valar (16:31:10): Trying to keep what they used
to have, rather than the old pushing forward with new crafts.
ArPharazon-V (16:31:10): And yes, though Sauron had
no part in the making of the 3, Celebrimbor did use his teachings... I
guess he failed to catch that loophole :)
Arien V (16:31:16): one ring to rule them one ring to
bind them one ring to enthrall and in darkness bind them ..
Varda Valar (16:31:32): Aye
Varda Valar (16:31:55): The three Elven Rings,
although not made by Sauron, could be seen and acted through by Sauron.
Arien V (16:32:01): .. *to enthrall them all . my
Varda Valar (16:32:10): So the elves had to stop
wearing them for a long time.
Varda Valar (16:32:36): Once Sauron was put away for
a good long while, they started using them.
ArPharazon-V (16:32:54): While the Ring was lost, at
Varda Valar (16:33:18): Aye. Seemed safe enough.
Varda Valar (16:33:52): I wonder if Gollum ever
picked up anything elvish through them, maybe a sense of belonging.
Varda Valar (16:34:06): That could have added to the
pull from Sauron's side of the Ring.
Varda Valar (16:34:25): What effects did the Rings
have on Elvish civlizations?
Arien V (16:35:30): they protected each other kind of
Varda Valar (16:35:50): You mean the elves and the
Arien V (16:35:57): the rings protected and preserved
them or gave them invisibility and yes
Arien V (16:36:14): and the Elves protected the rings
lest they fall into the wrong hands
ArPharazon-V (16:36:47): Interesting interaction.
Arien V (16:37:04): Cirion kept his ring secret in
the Grey Havens for a long time right?#
Varda Valar (16:37:17): Did the elven rings give
invisibility? I don't remember that happening
Arien V (16:37:18): until it was needed elsewhere
ArPharazon-V (16:37:33): Galadriel wasn't invisible,
ArPharazon-V (16:37:37): Nor was Gandalf for that
Arien V (16:37:37): i am not sure either probably not
Varda Valar (16:37:49): He handed it over to Gandalf
who would have greater need of it
Varda Valar (16:38:00): Elrond was visible
Arien V (16:38:08): no Gandalf never was invisible
and neither was Eonwe
Arien V (16:38:16): Elrond i mean
Varda Valar (16:38:35): Can you imagine how Elrond
must have felt, wearing his Elven Ring, and there was Frodo with the
One Ring right in front of him unconscious?
Varda Valar (16:39:08): I was considering doing a
short story on that one, heh.
ArPharazon-V (16:39:11): "I may have to stop using
this one soon."
Arien V (16:39:13): so all three were visible and had
the rings so ergo they didnt but just because it wasn't needed or
because they couldn't?#
Arien V (16:39:55): . make invisible i mean?
Varda Valar (16:40:07): The Rings didn't seem to be
all that visible unless the other person also had a ring. Sam mentioned
that it just seemed as if starlight were coming past her fingers, not
like a ring there.
Varda Valar (16:40:11): Frodo could see it
Arien V (16:40:32): the rings werent visible . but
the bearers where
Arien V (16:40:45): .. were
ArPharazon-V (16:40:55): Might just be an Elven thing.
ArPharazon-V (16:41:05): They did have a glow, might
have intentionally obscured it.
Varda Valar (16:41:49): Interesting thought. Since
they knew elves would wear those rings, they might have set that very
Arien V (16:43:07): maybe a thing of this protection
collaboration :) .. but its intriguing
Varda Valar (16:44:28): New thoughts can happen here!
Varda Valar (16:45:09): What did the elves try to
preserve in their different homes? Were they different aims?
Varda Valar (16:46:14): Elrond, Galadriel. Maybe a
guess for Cirdan?
Arien V (16:47:24): the ships and the port for the
Elves who wanted to depart Middlearth?
ArPharazon-V (16:47:38): Forests, buildings,
Varda Valar (16:47:50): The Havens may have needed
protection, improvments, aye.
ArPharazon-V (16:48:04): Did it really need a ring to
conserve Rivendell? How could it have changed otherwise?
ArPharazon-V (16:49:06): I do know Lorien started
changing quite a bit after Galadriel's ring went away.
Arien V (16:49:08): in Rivendell there wqs all the
knowledge, lore and wisdom
Varda Valar (16:49:14): So knowledge for Elrond, and
a hidden refuge for friendlies. A river that could wash away enemies at
the border. Some kind of defensive perimeter.
ArPharazon-V (16:49:22): Ah, true.
ArPharazon-V (16:49:29): That might have been
Varda Valar (16:50:01): Might be why Elrond stayed in
Rivendell, keeping up the defenses.
Arien V (16:51:36): Galadriel didnt move much from
Lothlorien before she left either
Arien V (16:51:52): apartr from in dreams of course
.. well that might game :)
Varda Valar (16:51:54): Aye
EonweValar (16:52:11): My conjecture based on the
evidence: the Ring conferred on the bearers a corruption of Elvish
fading: they lived longer than was natural for their kind as they faded
into the "wraith world." The "invisibilty" is more forcing the bearer
into the wraith world for a period. I suspect that for Elves,
Calaquendi at the least (since they walked in both realms at once) but
probably for any Elf due to their greater control of themselves, would
not be drawn into the wraith world by the Rings.
Varda Valar (16:52:14): Not until after Lothlorien
was attacked three times.
EonweValar (16:52:48): Pardon the late interjection.
Varda Valar (16:53:00): So Galadriel and Elrond
stayed physical longer than normal?
Varda Valar (16:53:21): Glad of the interjection,
whenever you were able to make it
ArPharazon-V (16:53:55): I think Eonwe was more
referring to the effect on non-elven bearers, as in that they got a
variation on Elvish fading.
Varda Valar (16:54:01): Gandalf would not be affected
that way, as a Maia
EonweValar (16:54:02): Not really, that aspect just
never affected them. Just like certain qualities of the Rings given to
Dwarves never affected the Dwarves.
EonweValar (16:54:23): Aye Phar.
Varda Valar (16:54:24): Interesting
Varda Valar (16:55:03): I wondeer if it did slow the
natural fading of the elven bodies too, however. Elrond and Galadriel
EonweValar (16:55:29): Cirdan was moreso, and he was
still fine without one.
ArPharazon-V (16:55:42): Cirdan had one for a while
Varda Valar (16:56:14): Cirdan didn't keep it. And I
wonder if it helped him get that facial hair. :)
Arien V (16:56:23): *i have seen three ages ! .
Elrond said .. and i believe that Cirdan is mentionened somewhere
before the Lord of the Rings ^^
Varda Valar (16:56:43): Cirdan was another old one,
ArPharazon-V (16:57:46): Gilgalad was pretty old too,
though he died a bit sooner, it doesn't seem like he was starting to
get signs of fading or aging.
Varda Valar (16:58:29): That's an interesting thing.
At what point would the fea make the body less, as it was supposed to
Varda Valar (16:58:56): We know Glofrndel's fea was
very visible to those that could see the other side.
EonweValar (16:59:44): That ties in with my following
Varda Valar (17:00:02): So we don't acdtually know of
any elves that faded in that time. Apparently much later on, in the
time of Men.
ArPharazon-V (17:00:09): That was a fresh incarnation
though, so he's got a bit of a margin. His fea was greater, his...
*looks up term* hroa was fresh, leading to a strong body but stronger
Varda Valar (17:00:36): Good point. Fresh hroa.
EonweValar (17:01:00): Since the Elven Rings were
used for/geared towards preservation, do you think they sped up, slowed
down, or had no effect on the general fading of the Elves? Was the
Third Age of the Sun always it for them, or could they have been a
presence longer as a civilization? Why?
Varda Valar (17:01:58): Galadriel seemed to believe
they could have remained a much longer time if they had not had to lose
the Rings along with the One Ring's destruction.
ArPharazon-V (17:02:27): Sounds about right. At least
their homes would've been around for a bit longer, which might have
helped them resist the fading.
EonweValar (17:02:39): Aye, but that would be because
the Rings would let them continue to preserve what they had.
ArPharazon-V (17:02:42): But it could also easily
have had an effect on the Elves themselves.
Varda Valar (17:02:45): That was one of the sorrows
of the Eldar. Any way the War went was hard on them.
ArPharazon-V (17:02:54): Preserving their hroar.
EonweValar (17:04:37): Had there not been the Rings
of Power at all, could the Elves have preserved their civilization
Varda Valar (17:05:14): Oddly, yes.
ArPharazon-V (17:05:35): Why? Would Sauron's military
power have been diminished?
Varda Valar (17:05:42): Thrandui'ls elves remained,
at least as long as they could keep from seeing the sea.
Varda Valar (17:06:14): The others became addicted to
their Rings and stagnated.
Varda Valar (17:06:33): They might have been forced
to work together, or more with other races.
Varda Valar (17:06:56): *more
Arien V (17:08:36): this is what the wikepedia sais
about "fear and hroar"
EonweValar (17:08:37): So Thranduil's realm did not
Arien V (17:08:46): i found this interesting
Arien V (17:08:52): When an Elf dies, the fëa
leaves the hröa, which then "dies". The fëais summoned to the
Halls of Mandos, where it is judged; however as with death their
free-will is not taken away, they could refuse the summons. If
allowed by Mandos, the fëa
Arien V (17:09:10): may be re-embodied into a new
body that is identical to the previous hröa
Varda Valar (17:09:36): Refusers became the Houseless
Arien V (17:10:07): this is the full article
Arien V (17:10:13):
Varda Valar (17:10:59): Thranduil's realm worked with
dwarves of Erebor and men of Laketown and Dale. They had areas outside
their main home such as for the Raft-elves and later in Ithilien. Their
main problem was constant attacks from the Necromancer and the Nazgul.
Arien V (17:13:27): aye
Arien V (17:13:41): who were Sauron pluse the ine
Arien V (17:13:58): pardon me .. plus
Varda Valar (17:14:08): Right
ArPharazon-V (17:15:43): I suppose the question
whether they'd have been able to preserve their civilizations longer
depends on your definition of preservation.
ArPharazon-V (17:15:57): Survived, yes. Survived
without the necessary change... no.
Varda Valar (17:16:33): What would the necessary
change have been?
ArPharazon-V (17:17:31): A change in their culture,
their way of looking at the world, I guess? Mirkwood views on
friendship with dwarves had to change, for example, for them to survive
:) Such things might not have been necessary with a Ring of
preservation on your finger.
Varda Valar (17:17:57): Aye
Varda Valar (17:18:10): Necessity is the mother of
ArPharazon-V (17:18:11): The stagnancy of the
Ringbearers' realms indicates that they did not like change at all,
even when it's not necessarily a bad thing.
EonweValar (17:18:42): The biggest problem/necessity
for a civilization is birthrate. If not enough new Elves are being
born, then you end up with alot of old ones, who are getting
world-weary because the pace and lifespan of everythign around them is
short compared to their own, and they end up sailing away.
Varda Valar (17:18:43): Change means taking a risk.
They may have become more and more risk-advesrse, or unable to adapt to
Varda Valar (17:19:30): Sadness at the deaths all
around them? Like older people that stop keeping pets after losing
several well-loved ones to age.
EonweValar (17:20:04): That's part of it, aye Varda.
ArPharazon-V (17:20:20): The way I see it, all 3
types of rings exploited a weakness in their bearers' races, giving
them promises and rewards that were not necessarily for the better. For
men, it was their mortality; for dwarves, their greed; for Elves, their
tendency to conserve and stagnate.
Varda Valar (17:20:36): That's it in a nutshell.
Varda Valar (17:20:44): Weakness exploitation.
Varda Valar (17:20:53): Making it addictive.
ArPharazon-V (17:21:00): Yep.
EonweValar (17:21:58): Well, they're all the same
"ring" per se, Except for a version of a story that suggests that it
was Celebrimbor himself who gave a ring to Durin, there's no reason to
believe the rings themselves were made for specific races.
Varda Valar (17:22:23): Well, that poem suggests it.
ArPharazon-V (17:22:28): The Elven rings were
separate, at least.
ArPharazon-V (17:22:35): For not being made in part
Varda Valar (17:23:17): That did make them different,
ArPharazon-V (17:23:45): But yes, they basically
operated in the same way, even while finding different weaknesses to
exploit per race.
Varda Valar (17:24:04): Aye
EonweValar (17:24:08): Aye, but the other Rings of
Power weren't. The SIl says Sauron "recovered some, and some he gave to
men and dwarves," paraphrasing.
ArPharazon-V (17:24:18): There were differences in
effectiveness though, which I suppose were partly due to their target
races and partially their origin in case of the elves.
EonweValar (17:25:21): Aye, different aspects of the
ring's power affected the races differently.
EonweValar (17:25:53): Interestly, I don't think we
ever hear about what these rings Sans the Three are capable of in the
hands of an Elf.
ArPharazon-V (17:26:54): If the method of operation
was the same between all 19 (and possibly lesser), I imagine it would
do pretty much the same thing, except perhaps make them more vulnerable
to the One.
EonweValar (17:27:46): Based on the ability and
inclination of the wearer, aye.
ArPharazon-V (17:28:16): the same thing as the Three,
I mean, if that was unclear.
EonweValar (17:28:30): Well, the Three were made
specifically with preservation in mind.
EonweValar (17:29:16): The Three were probably the
culmination of everything Celebrimbor learned from Sauron and from
making the other Rings, his silmarilli, as it were.
Arien V (17:29:47): .. i wonder yes of course ..
Thrain had one dwarven ring right? thats why he got so obsessive about
EonweValar (17:30:25): He had one, but I don't think
the movies gave him his due, hehe.
EonweValar (17:30:40): Sorry all, but I have to go
EonweValar (17:30:55): Stayed too long as it is :}
Arien V (17:30:57): strange that the Arkenjewel
affected his son .. Thorin .. in a similar way .. at least he became
obsessive with the stone
EonweValar (17:31:04): Take care all and have fun :}
Arien V (17:31:11): take care :)
ArPharazon-V (17:31:17): *gasp* Arkenstone was a
crusted over ring? Nahh...
ArPharazon-V (17:31:20): Namarie!
Arien V (17:31:51): hehe no it certainly wasnt bvut
it affected Thorin almost like one
ArPharazon-V (17:33:10): Thorin may not have had a
Ring, but I wonder if it started having some generational effect. The
influence it had on his direct ancestors made him too a bit greedy and
attached to the jewelled pride of his house.
Varda Valar (17:33:12): pardon, had to answer the
door, bunch of friends came by. ::)
Varda Valar (17:33:16): Namarie Eonwe
ArPharazon-V (17:34:35): We don't what effect Rings
have on the bearers' descendants, especially over multiple generations.
The 9 never passed on their Rings, the Elves didn't either. Gollum and
Bilbo never had any children.
ArPharazon-V (17:34:39): *don't know
Varda Valar (17:35:02): Biblo passed his to frodo
Varda Valar (17:35:11): *Bilbo
ArPharazon-V (17:35:41): Couple of millennia of
Dwarven generations later, there might have been some residual genetic
effect that made Thorim "corrupted" even though the ring stayed with
ArPharazon-V (17:36:00): Yes, but Frodo wasn't a
genetic descendant of Bilbo, if that makes sense :)
Arien V (17:36:25): it does .. he was his nephew ..
Varda Valar (17:36:30): Nephew by blood, not a son,
true. Raised in the same house with the Ring
ArPharazon-V (17:36:35): Aye.
ArPharazon-V (17:37:43): Elrond did have a child to
pass any Ring-corruption to, but both Elves and their rings were more
resistant to it, perhaps.
ArPharazon-V (17:37:49): And it was only one
Varda Valar (17:38:22): True. He did have three
children of his own, and raised many young Chieftains.
ArPharazon-V (17:38:25): Multiple children, in fact,
I forgot about the twins ;)
ArPharazon-V (17:38:27): Yep.
Varda Valar (17:39:16): One has to wonder how the
children are affected just by being in close proximity to a Ring of
power for their whole lives, posssessed by someone so very close to
them in all ways.
Varda Valar (17:40:00): Also, what about the people
around them? Since thesee are their leaders, and present in many
aspects of their lives.
ArPharazon-V (17:40:17): Yes. Now multiply that with
so many dozen generations of dwarves, possessing a Ring of power in an
unbroken sequence until Thrain. Is it difficult to believe Thorin was
still affected by its influence?
Varda Valar (17:40:42): It does seem possible.
Varda Valar (17:41:38): The dwarven Rings let them
make hoards of gold, but it required gold to start with, a problem for
Thrain and Thorin.
Varda Valar (17:42:15): That had to be a frustration
to grow up with: a source of immense wealth if they could get the pump
primed, get it started working.
ArPharazon-V (17:42:48): No wonder they were eager to
reclaim their homes of Moria and Erebor :)
Varda Valar (17:43:50): Home plus wealth after being
poor and gvien grief for a long time? O yes.
ArPharazon-V (17:44:13): They did have gold to
invest, but it was kinda inaccessible until they rooted out some home
infestations, notably a dragon, a balrog and some orcs.
Arien V (17:44:52): aye
Varda Valar (17:44:54): They needed some serious Raid.
Varda Valar (17:45:03): /duck
Arien V (17:45:05): not to mention the minor problem
of a Balrog ..
ArPharazon-V (17:46:29): I wonder if Smaug could've
made use of a Dwarven ring.
ArPharazon-V (17:46:50): Invest a bit of gold to make
an even bigger hoard? Yes please. If he could stand to lose that bit of
Varda Valar (17:47:19): If the idea that the race
didn't matter for the Sauron-touched Rings, maybe? Then why did the
dragons melt them in dragon-fire?
ArPharazon-V (17:47:53): Oversight, perhaps? Melted
their owners before noticing the shiny metal bands on their fingers
until it was a puddle?
Varda Valar (17:50:04): It's possible that since they
were rings, they were intended for humanoid fingers. Might havve
angered the dragons that they could not use them?
ArPharazon-V (17:50:34): Tip of the claw? Easy to
Arien V (17:50:48): *if we cannot have them noone
shall but we keep the shiny *raaar*
Varda Valar (17:51:09): Sounds right
ArPharazon-V (17:51:29): Now I'm imagining an
Varda Valar (17:52:55): Only if one got the One Ring
and could wear it. Wouldn't that be something!
ArPharazon-V (17:53:30): Where's all this fire coming
from? And why did that cart crash into an invisible wall?
Varda Valar (17:55:22): Spontaneous combustion. Of a
Arien V (17:56:50): oh dearf .. dont give Sauron
Arien V (17:57:35): *stealth nazgul with dragon as
Varda Valar (17:57:42): He just left, no problem. ;)
Makes one wonder about our friends at the door. What will happen to
them now that he is in their company!
Varda Valar (17:58:11): That dragon would be telling
the Nazgul what to do. Fly in formation!
Varda Valar (17:59:07): I'm going to call it here,
gang. We can keep going in Affter-meeting if we like. :)
Varda Valar (17:59:33): *hammer jumps as if
spring-loaded into the hand*
Varda Valar (17:59:39): *spannnnng!*
Varda Valar (17:59:51): *the table vibrates for a few
Varda Valar (18:00:03): *replaces the hammer in the
Varda Valar (18:00:07): After-meeting!
Varda Valar (18:00:45): Smaug with a ring. He should
keep one of the dwarves to ooperate it, make lots of gold.
ArPharazon-V (18:01:35): I wonder if Sauron would've
been okay with that. He was collecting them.
Varda Valar (18:03:23): Only if the dragon and dwarf
did what was needed, as in blocking the free people but letting
Sauron's do what he wanted.
Arien V (18:03:34): dwarves or rings or dwarves with
Varda Valar (18:03:42): Once they figured that out,
ArPharazon-V (18:03:52): He was collecting rings,
yes, not dwarves :)
Arien V (18:04:09): :)
Arien V (18:04:17): just being silly
Arien V (18:05:26): but .. yes gang *yawns*
Arien V (18:05:45): got up this morning at six 6
Arien V (18:05:50): ^^
Arien V (18:06:24): so thank you for the meeting and
thanks for the interesting discussion :)
Varda Valar (18:06:26): Sleep well!
ArPharazon-V (18:06:30): Alright, Namarie :)
Varda Valar (18:06:33): Thanks for coming!
Arien V (18:06:47): Namarie :)
ArPharazon-V (18:41:48): Well, as for personal gaming
report, like I said, I've done almost nothing but a few flashgames
which I always do, usually daily...
Varda Valar (18:42:22): Good for the flashgame report
at least. Sorry about your video card.
ArPharazon-V (18:42:58): Nah, I meant it's just games
I always do, nothing new. Some MMO-like stuff which I've linked in the
ArPharazon-V (18:43:46): But if you do want
something, I did notice that this week's badges of the day on
Kongregate had a few of a series I always liked. And I did re-play the
first installment today for that reason. So even if I've linked it
ArPharazon-V (18:44:07): have fun with
ArPharazon-V (18:44:21): And if you like it, go for
the 3 sequels!
ArPharazon-V (18:58:54): So yeah, that'll be it for
my report ;)
Varda Valar (19:02:00): Thank you, Phar. :)