August 20, 2017 Sunday Meeting
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Transcript work by Arien, Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
Arien, Ar-Pharazon, Eonwe, Varda
General gaming report by Eonwe
Topic: The Palantiri:
what do we know about them, numbers and their fate?
Flashgaming Reviews by
Chat History for Valar Guild Meetingplace
Sunday, August 20, 2017 (times for Ar-Pharazon in the Netherlands)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:29:35): And that's the headmaster
title got in Nar'thalas.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:29:49): I'm just noting some of
these things here so I don't forget them for the meeting report ;)
Varda Valar (22:58:05): Aiya
Varda Valar (22:58:15): hah, AIM is a note pad too!
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:58:15): Aiya
Ar-Pharazon-V (22:58:45): Right :D
Eonwe Valar (23:01:54): Heya all :}
Varda Valar (23:02:10): Missed Tulkas. He came into
LotRO just after I left.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:02:14): Aiya
Varda Valar (23:02:18): Aiya Eonwe :)
Varda Valar (23:02:34): I have to leave in rl in
about one hour, so... :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:02:41): aw
Varda Valar (23:02:45): Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Arien V (23:02:47): he just came in
Arien V (23:02:53): aiya all :)
Varda Valar (23:02:55): You guys can keep going
without me, no worries
Varda Valar (23:03:06): Great! Hope you got to say hi
Varda Valar (23:03:25): Is he still there? Pulling up
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:03:25): Aiya!
Varda Valar (23:03:41): Membership:
Varda Valar (23:03:55): Hello from Tulkas in LotRO
Varda Valar (23:04:11): Irmo is no longer on vacation
so he can't make the Discord side of the meetings now
Arien V (23:04:14): yes he is
Varda Valar (23:04:30): Hello from Irmo, Miriel, and
Varda Valar (23:04:41): I'll pull up a crafter :)
Varda Valar (23:06:31): Elwing is visiting at my
house, now in LotRO.
Varda Valar (23:06:49): We stuffed her with chocolate
cake, sparklers on it. :)
Eonwe Valar (23:07:33): Heya to Elwing too.
Arien V (23:07:34): sounds about right for a birthday
Varda Valar (23:07:35): *cake slices available on our
meeting table near the hammerpad*
Varda Valar (23:09:32): Any other membership news?
Varda Valar (23:09:42): I'll be leaving in about an
Varda Valar (23:09:45): Web:
Varda Valar (23:09:55): Nothing new up from me,
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:09:56): Well, parents just got home
from vacation, so life getting back to normal after a few weeks of
Varda Valar (23:10:05): Ahh, that's good, right?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:10:10): Yep :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:10:13): I like things normal.
Varda Valar (23:10:19): Yay!
Arien V (23:11:08): ah .. i have early early shift
tomorrow for once instead of a day off tomorrow .. so yeah my presence
here cant be too long tonight i fear :/
Varda Valar (23:11:20): Okies
Varda Valar (23:11:24): Gaming:
Varda Valar (23:11:35): Eonwe, are you able to do the
Gaming report tonight?
Eonwe Valar (23:11:51): Aye.
Varda Valar (23:11:57): yay!
Eonwe Valar (23:12:15): Lord of the
Eonwe Valar (23:12:43): The quest Mysteries
of the Ghashghurm has been closed temporarily due to issues with
There will be downtime on Monday for an update
to the game.
Eonwe Valar (23:12:55): World of Warcraft:
Eonwe Valar (23:13:10): This week's bonus event: Legion
combat animations are coming for caster classes with patch 7.3.
Eonwe Valar (23:13:27): Starcraft 2:
Eonwe Valar (23:14:00): Check out what multiplayer
map changes are coming.
announcer is coming in patch 3.17.
Interested in how Blizzard makes maps? Well, there's a blog out with
Eonwe Valar (23:14:13): Diablo 3:
Eonwe Valar (23:14:26): A new patch is up on the PTR:
Eonwe Valar (23:14:52): Seen on WoW Lothar this week:
Eonwe Valar (23:14:59): That's it for the gaming
Varda Valar (23:15:08): Seen on LotRO this week:
Varda Valar (23:15:11):
Varda Valar (23:15:15): Thanks, Eonwe :)
Varda Valar (23:15:24): On SCBW:
Eonwe Valar (23:15:26): MP
Varda Valar (23:15:33): SC2;
Varda Valar (23:17:16): Pardon, phone call from
Eowyn, wishing Elwing happy birthday. :)
Varda Valar (23:17:48): So, hello from Eowyn. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:21:03): Aiya Eowyn!
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:21:07): And happy birthday to
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:21:22): My great great something
Varda Valar (23:24:36): Hello from her. :)
Varda Valar (23:25:21): Any business, suggestions,
Tolkien topic suggestions?
Arien V (23:26:02): oh well i do have a kind of idea
inspired by my epic quest from lotro if you like
Varda Valar (23:26:04): Tolkien:
Varda Valar (23:26:10): Arien, go ahead
Arien V (23:26:28): i had an intersting meeting with
Denethor and had a look through the Anor stone ..
Arien V (23:27:33): so .. just as entrance .. i know
it wasnt too long ago .. but the Palantiri as such , what do we know
about them, numbers and their fate?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:28:02): At least 8. A master stone
in.. elf island.. *googles*
Varda Valar (23:28:08): That's actually a big topic.
:) We'll see how we do.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:28:24): Tol Eressea?
Arien V (23:28:28): Tol Erresea
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:28:39): Right. And 7 coming ot
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:28:40): *to
Varda Valar (23:29:58): They were made in Valinor by
the Noldor, seven were given to Amandil of the Andunie. That's what is
meant by "the seven stars".
Varda Valar (23:30:33): Elendil brought the palantiri
with him to Middle-earth, fleeing drowning Numenor.
Varda Valar (23:31:19): He scattered them around his
realm in Middle-earth for communication.
Arien V (23:31:55): can we get them together where
Varda Valar (23:31:55): The main one was kept in the
Dome of Stars in Osgiliath, able to view all the others. (Check me on
Arien V (23:32:07): i know one was in Fornost
Varda Valar (23:32:20): Ok, the places changed.
Arien V (23:32:21): then Minas Itil and Minas Arnor
Arien V (23:32:43): *Ithil*
Varda Valar (23:33:14): To start: Minas Ithil, Minas
Anor, Orthanc, Annuminas, Elostiron in the Tower Hills, and the Tower
of Amon Sul.
Arien V (23:33:55): ah yes of course i forgot about
the Amon Sul one
Varda Valar (23:34:01): Later,after Elendil fell, the
elves took back the one at the Tower Hills, and it only looked to the
Undying Lands. That's the one Cirdan has.
Varda Valar (23:34:26): That one went back to Valinor
with the Ring-bearers.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:34:35): 3 in the north, one in
orthanc, 3 in the south
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:34:42): Did it?
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:34:59): I thought it was still in
the tower hills, to be honest.
Varda Valar (23:35:27): When the Tower of Amon Sul
was taken, the palantir was taken to Fornost.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:36:04): And Aragorn claimed the
Orthanc one when Saruman was captured.
Varda Valar (23:36:17): Both the Amon Sul and
Annuminas ones were kept in Fornost, until they were lost in that
shipwreck with the King.
Varda Valar (23:36:28): Last-king Arvedui.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:36:59): Which he took to Minas
Tirith. The other one in Minas Tirith, however... did it go on the pyre
with Denethor, rendering it useless?
Varda Valar (23:37:03): The Osgiliath palantir was
lost in the burning of the Kin-strife.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:37:20): ah yes
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:37:54): The ones from Fornost would
be a nice goal for an aquatic archeology project in later times.
Eonwe Valar (23:37:55): Useless to most, as I recall.
Had to have a very strong will to see anything but burning hands.
Varda Valar (23:37:56): The Minas Ithil disaster was
the worst thing because when the Nazgul took the tower, they got the
palantir, and so Sauron had one.
Varda Valar (23:38:34): Sauron's was probably
destroyed when the Ring destroyed so much of Barad-dur.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:39:00): Possibly, but they were
tough little things, physically.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:39:09): Might have been buried in
Varda Valar (23:39:19): The Minas Anor stone was most
closely aligned to Sauron's, so it was dangerous to use.
Varda Valar (23:39:55): It wasn't used until Denethor
tried it, and Sauron messed with what he could see to make him despair.
Arien V (23:40:04): thats probably why it could
corrupt Denethor so easily by selective showing what denethor was
allowed to see
Varda Valar (23:40:49): The Orthanc stone. Saruman
tried to use that one and it opened him up to Sauron. Bad news for
Arien V (23:40:49): ((selectively .. grammar isnt the
best anymore sigh ))
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:41:02): Yep, Sauron was sure to
make him see what Sauron wanted him to see. Probably something he
picked up from Morgoth and Hurin.
Varda Valar (23:41:02): :)
Varda Valar (23:41:10): Good thought
Varda Valar (23:41:16): or, well, awful thought. :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:41:56): Would Sauron and Saruman
have known each other as Maiar of Aule?
Varda Valar (23:42:02): Grima threw the Orthanc stone
as a weapon. Pippin picked it up and it wound up in Aragorn's use. He
took it from Sauron's hold.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:42:13): Maybe that made Saruman
Varda Valar (23:42:19): Made it show what he wanted
instead of what Sauron wanted.
Varda Valar (23:42:23): Aye, you bet.
Varda Valar (23:42:44): Interesting that Aragorn
could pull away like that, when Saruman did not. Maybe because he had
Varda Valar (23:43:23): After the Ring-war, Aragorn
used his stone to look over his kingdom, see how it was doing.
Eonwe Valar (23:43:41): I believe, among other
things, Tolkien attributed it to Aragorn being the rightful owner.
Varda Valar (23:43:47): That's pretty much all I can
come up with at the minute. :)
Varda Valar (23:44:09): That may be it.
Varda Valar (23:44:32): Saruman was supposedly the
deeded owner of Orthanc and therefore the stone, but that didn't seem
to help much.
Eonwe Valar (23:44:38): Don't remember if I read that
in HoME or Letters though.
Eonwe Valar (23:46:09): It would be rightful
ownership by descent, like Anduril, or the ability to free the Dead Men
of Dunharrow from their curse.
Varda Valar (23:46:43): Aragorn, aye. Simply by being
the High King and King of Gondor.
Eonwe Valar (23:46:57): If it were "simple" legality,
someone could've bought Dunharrow and told all those ghosts to get off
Varda Valar (23:47:05): heheheh
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:48:34): Could've worked anyway, but
nobody tried it :)
Eonwe Valar (23:48:39): Hehe
Varda Valar (23:51:08): If only they had known!
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:51:24): Who knows where they'd have
Eonwe Valar (23:51:44): That reminds me of one of the
songs in the old version of "Pete's Dragon."
Varda Valar (23:52:08): There's a new version? Can't
Eonwe Valar (23:52:25): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmV_QZxbuU
Eonwe Valar (23:53:28): There is a new version, and I
thought it actually wasn't too bad. Certainly not as bad as Tim
Burton's "Charlie and the Chocloate Factory" vs the old "Willy Wonka
and the Chocolate Factory" with Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka.
Eonwe Valar (23:54:45): As for why there's a new
version? Because Disney's on a "remake all our old IPs" kick right now,
Arien V (23:54:48): ah the links dont work for me i
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:55:07): I'm not even trying direct
embedded links in AIM anymore.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:55:26): I'll see it in the
Eonwe Valar (23:55:54): Old, let's try it this way.
you know it's on youtuve.com...
Eonwe Valar (23:55:58): *youtube.com
Eonwe Valar (23:56:13): So add to the end
Varda Valar (23:56:24): Shows up well in Discord. :)
Varda Valar (23:56:37): /duck
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:56:57): If you simply google the
youtube code it already gives the video as a result, so easy :)
Eonwe Valar (23:57:33): Whatever helps you see the
Varda Valar (23:57:35): Good to know.
Ar-Pharazon-V (23:59:26): That song would be over so
quickly if she just pointed out that slavery being illegal voids the
bill of sale, but I don't know the context of the movie.
Monday, August 21, 2017
Eonwe Valar (00:00:15): Pete was an orphan. They got
him from an orphanage.
Eonwe Valar (00:00:45): SO their "Bill of Sale" is
whatever paperwork would've been appropriate for that at the time.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:01:07): I still don't think that
provides them with ownership. Guardianship at most. Otherwise it's
still slavery, y'know. But like I said, context. I don't know where and
when it takes place.
Eonwe Valar (00:03:35): Time is "early 20th century."
and the point is those were the bad guys asserting their "legal claim"
Arien V (00:04:14): oh talking about time dear
Varda Valar (00:04:31): *the hammer slips over to
Varda Valar (00:04:49): *the hammerpad reaches out
(it has arms!) and slings the hammer*
Varda Valar (00:04:53): *whomp!*
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:04:53): Just saying that anyone
with a bit of common sense and legal knowledge could shoot an arrow
through the holes in that claim, but... I take it it's not that kind of
serious a movie :)
Eonwe Valar (00:04:54): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete%27s_Dragon_(1977_film)
To give you the basics without watching the film
Varda Valar (00:04:57): After-meeting!
Varda Valar (00:05:14): *the hammer laughs and runs
back to the shelf with two pieces of cake*
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:05:49): Enjoy your food, hammer?
Eonwe Valar (00:06:16): Well depends on the adoption
laws of the time, and if there were any reason to believe by those laws
they were not being proper guardians. But aye, that is beside the
point. Pete ends up with the "good guys" anyway :}
Varda Valar (00:06:58): *hammerpad has suspicious
chocolate around it's...mouth. Hammerpads have mouths?*
Varda Valar (00:07:13): Namarie, Arien!
Eonwe Valar (00:07:18): My point of linking that song
was related to what we were discussing, that someone can just walk up
with a deed and by the power of that piece of paper free the Dead men
of Dunharrow :}
Arien V (00:07:26): Namarie all :)
Eonwe Valar (00:07:33): Take care Arien :}
Arien V (00:07:41): Take care ^^
Varda Valar (00:07:58): Nighty night, Arien!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:08:03): I watched Lemony Snicket's
Series of Unfortunate Events not too long ago, the legal ground in that
movie is just as shakily silly from the look of it :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:08:05): Namarie Arien!
Varda Valar (00:08:37): They're as much fantasy as
anything, plays loosely with actual laws and places, etc.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:09:44): Yep, I'd say the same goes
for both movies.
Varda Valar (00:09:52): Aye
Eonwe Valar (00:11:36): I must be back and forth from
the keyboard now.
Eonwe Valar (00:12:59): If you've seen the old Pete's
Dragon and have a chance to see the new, give it a fair chance.
Varda Valar (00:15:03): ok
Varda Valar (00:15:17): The meeting is over. Called
After-meeting a while back, no worries. :)
Eonwe Valar (00:15:37): Karl Urban is in there, if
that helps and you recognize the name :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:16:04): Yes, I remember Eomer :)
Before LotR I knew him from the Hercules/Xena franchise as well.
Eonwe Valar (00:16:15): Who was he in that?
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:16:43): Multiple roles, I think;
notably Cupid and Julius Caesar.
Eonwe Valar (00:17:03): That makes me want to go back
and see if I recognize him, heh.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:18:14): Caesar was somewhat
prominent in later seasons, so shouldn't be too hard to find.
Varda Valar (00:20:14): wow, he was really younger as
Cupid. Checked on Google
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:20:21): hehe
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:20:28): http://hercules-xena.wikia.com/wiki/Julius_Caesar
Varda Valar (00:24:45): Namarie
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:24:48): Namarie!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:25:04): I'll throw in personal
gaming soon, maybe someone's still around for it :)
Eonwe Valar (00:33:03): Oh, to make sure my earlier
comment on the antagonist family in the original Pete's Dragon was
clear, I'm not saying they *were* good guardians: all of their
appearances make it clear we're to accept they do not have Pete's best
interests in mind. My pont is that if legal action were to be taken,
whatever legal authority enacting them would need actual evidence, like
say a song in front of an entire town about how they think of/ are
treating Pete, hehehe.
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:33:45): Heh.
Varda Valar (00:34:39): :)
Varda Valar (00:34:44): Namarie gang, have fun!
Eonwe Valar (00:34:48): Take care :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:34:50): namarie!
Varda Valar (00:34:52): Will enjoy reading the
Eonwe Valar (00:34:56): Have fun :}
Eonwe Valar (00:35:11): Hmm, looking at the time,
it's my time to get out of here too.
Eonwe Valar (00:35:21): Take care all, good night,
sleep well, and have fun :}
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:35:24): Transcript it is, then, for
the report ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:35:25): Namarie!
Varda Valar (00:36:03): okies :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:57:06): Right, for you
transcript-readers, here's my personal gaming report!
Ar-Pharazon-V (00:57:15): Flashgaming:
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:00:08): 3 shorter games today. http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/big
is the first one, move a ball around, avoid other balls bouncing
around, keep mouse button pressed to grow, pick up bonuses, try to last
as long as possible. Personally I find it rather hard, my record so far
has been 15 seconds, but surely you can do better!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:02:00): http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/compact_conflict
is a rather compact risk-like game, conquer areas with temples, produce
soldiers, see who has the most areas after 12 turns.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:04:16): http://www.kongregate.com/games/bontegames/whats-inside-the-box
is the third! A puzzle game by bontegames, one of my favorite flashgame
makers on kongregate. Open each layer of the box by completing a logic
puzzle, getting harder as you go but never too hard. And otherwise
there are hints available.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:15:37): Blizzard gaming:
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:16:52): Heroes of the Storm: A few more
levels got, including getting level 2 on Chromie during the week's
brawl, which was a single-lane fight on a spider queen themed map. Took
a while to get, but using Chromie I actually did rather well. I think
she'll be my next Warcraft assassin to level after getting Gul'dan to
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:18:24): She's squishy, but can
rather pack a punch from a long distance with the right talents, and I
usually play vs AI anyway so it's a lot safer.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:21:03): Diablo 3: Working on leveling my
seasonal crusader some more. Finished season journey chapter 1, now
working on chapter 2, got to level 58 so far. I also got a new pet
through a menagerist treasure goblin, a sort of flesh golem type thing.
Looks quite weird. But hey, pets!
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:21:45): Starcraft II: Phase 2 of the war
chest has started, and I just finished phase 1 rewards. Next up, the 5
steps of phase 2. Should be done in a week or two, then I just have to
wait for phase 3 :)
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:22:23): It also comes with a new
comic, for those interested.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:25:03): Hearthstone: Starting to get quite
near to level 50 with most of the classes. Been opening more packs,
including one with 2 legendaries, one golden. Not very spectacular
legendaries, but still, highest quality pack I've ever opened. By some
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:27:24): Also, last monday
Starcraft: Remasted launched! Looking good, with fresh graphics for the
intros but the briefings at least still seem intact, if in finer detail
:) Not tried the gameplay yet.
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:27:30): *Remastered
Ar-Pharazon-V (01:27:59): remasted sounds good for a
game with spaceships though ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:01:34): WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:04:08): Raiding going well, a lot
of Maiden of Vigilance practice on heroic, which is quite a bit harder
than the normal version, with some new mechanics around. Continuing to
get the other bosses under control. Got new tier gloves which made me
able to switch some other pieces around, and got my favorite tank
trinket from the raid as well, from the Desolate Host boss.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:05:50): Been putting more artifact
power into my restoration artifact, and now all that's left is the
Concordance. Should get that this week, and then I can just throw AP
into feral and guardian whenever for some small upgrades.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:07:14): At that point, though, I'll
put less focus on that reward when it comes to missions and world quest
rewards. A lot of AP required for very little gain, so not really worth
it to go out of my way for it. That'll change when the new artifact
knowledge arrives in some form in patch 7.3, haven't really looked into
what form that will take.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:08:47): I've started leveling my
fishing pole artifact, too! Going quite well, gotten some of the
special perks like water walking, and reduced enemy detection radius
while fishing. That last one is a bit tricky because it's still tough
to say when they'll see you, and the moment you make a catch you're
visible again, but at least getting interrupted mid-cast is less likely.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:09:53): I've also maxed out the
traits for mossgill perch and storm ray, so now I get a good chance of
catching entire pools in one catch, which also includes rare fish and
lures that you'd have otherwise gotten one at a time. So basically it
speeds the whole fishing process up quite a way!
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:10:03): Runescale Koi will be next.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:10:52): And I finally got some more
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:11:13): Completed the Good
Suramaritan achievement by doing the last story-arc for it, Jandvik's
Jarl, in eastern Suramar.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:13:15): Nice story, and it made the
Jandvik vrykul neutral to me, opening up vendors and an innkeeper. It
also got me the Koi-Scented Stormray recipe, which was the final
barrier to unlocking the last recipes on Nomi. With that option
available, I just need to feed fish of basically any kind to Nomi and
hope for a good proc-rate on the discoveries. The end seems to be in
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:14:46): With Suramaritan done, I
moved on to some other projects on my to-do list. I started the Balance
of Power questline, but am stuck there until next reset. I also went to
old Nar'thalas through a key gotten with archeology, went through all
the trials there, before duelling the headmistress.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:14:55): That got me a new title,
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:16:16): Next up will be hunting
down 3 various tomes with the Harbinger cutscenes, for another
miscellaneous quest achievement.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:17:20): For world quests, I finally
got the last Bodhi pet master quest done, so now I've fought him with
all 10 families. Only pet masters left for me are the ones in Suramar,
who I've not seen spawn in some time. But they'll come eventually I'm
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:18:18): And for the weekly quest,
it was 4 mythic dungeons. Easily enough done with a raid-geared team,
though it did lock me for Darkheart Thicket for which I later got a
quest in the Balance of Power questline. So that's why I'm stuck there
until next reset.
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:19:35): Finally, old appearances..
not much progress. Been a week of bad drops. I did get a few items
though, including my last item from the Lurker Below in Serpentshrine
Cavern. Which, by the way, is much easier to get to when you have a
fishing pole that provides water walking ;)
Ar-Pharazon-V (02:20:45): And that's my news for this
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:06:15): will send transcript
Ar-Pharazon-V (04:07:00): namarie!