Valar Guild

December 18, 2016 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (4)
    Arien V/AriehnV, Ar-Pharazon-V/ArPharazonV, Lenwe-V/perseid28 (After-meeting), VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Christmas next Sunday, so we're having a very short meeting.
    Link for Middle-earth style cookery
    Eonwe's report on general gaming news.
    Topic: unsung heroes (more in After-meeting)
    Personal gaming Arien
    Flashgaming Reviews by Ar-Pharazon
    Personal gaming Ar-Pharazon
    More on the Tolkien subject of unsung heroes

Ar-Pharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has entered the room.
Varda Valar (VardaValar1) has entered the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Right, here I am :-)
Varda Valar: Yay!
Arien V (AriehnV) has entered the room.
Arien V: aiya all
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya
Varda Valar: Aiya Sunshine :-)

Varda Valar: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
Varda Valar: Membership:
Varda Valar: Schools are letting out or will in a week, or near that.
Varda Valar: Christmas is coming up
Varda Valar: So we may seen some familiar faces finally coming up to breathe, never know. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Would be nice!
Varda Valar: Any membership news?
Varda Valar: Hi from Sauron, Bilbo, and Fangorn :-)

Varda Valar: Web:
Varda Valar: Tolkien Site:
Varda Valar: Art:
Varda Valar: We have a new cave for Lenwe-(V), an active LotRO player as well.
Varda Valar: He painted a picture for Forochel, a place mentioned a little in the books and a location in the LotRO game:
Varda Valar:
Varda Valar: It's also Christmassy :-)
Varda Valar: The river leads up to the stars and the Aurora Borealis

Varda Valar: Also, here's a fun link for cooks and those you'd like to cook for you, with Middle-earth style recipes:
Varda Valar:
Varda Valar: Just right for the holidays.
Varda Valar: Any other links you'd like to suggest? If you think of them later, we still have Gaming and Tolkien to go. :-)

Varda Valar: Gaming:
Varda Valar: LotRO:
Varda Valar: Yule Festiva will be starting late this year, on December 19th and running through January 16th, for a chance to include new items this year that are coming with Update 19.2.
Varda Valar: Valarites seen in the kin this last week;
Varda Valar:
Varda Valar: Yule Fesitival coming up, with that Monday update.

The Eonwe report:
Varda Valar: WoW:
Varda Valar: The Feast of Winterveil is now going. Go get the Greench! Go get the Grumpus!
Varda Valar: Two new previews are out: Patch 7.1.5 Preview: The Return of the Brawler’s Guild and Patch 7.1.5 Preview - Mists of Pandaria Timewalking.
Varda Valar: Check out this week's hotfixes.

Varda Valar: Diablo 3:
Varda Valar: Season 8 is ending soon. If you're not finished getting something you want this season, now is the time.

Varda Valar: StarCraft 2:
Now out: patch 3.9.0.
Ar-Pharazon-V: 12 days to finish 3 chapters. This'll go well...
Varda Valar: (A game thatg Fangorn plays more now)
Varda Valar: heh, good luck, Phar!
Varda Valar: Eowyn and Faramir play it too
Varda Valar: Bilbo and Sauron some as well.

Varda Valar: StarCraft/Broodwar: played this past week by Fangorn and Varda

Varda Valar: Heroes of the Storm:
Varda Valar: As mentioned last week, the Winterveil event is going.
Varda Valar: A new patch is out.

Varda Valar: Overwatch:
Varda Valar: A Christmas event is going on in Overwatch as well: Winter Wonderland.

Varda Valar: Any other general gaming news?

Varda Valar: Tolkien:
Varda Valar: If you're here, please type Manwe
Varda Valar: Manwe
Ar-Pharazon-V: Manwe
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sorry, still in the middle of trying to fix some settings and problems :-)
Varda Valar: ok, good luck with that!

Varda Valar: Aragorn said, “Deeds will not be less valiant because they are unpraised.”
Varda Valar: The Return of the King, The Passing of the Grey Company
Ar-Pharazon-V: In other words, don't worry about what everyone else thinks?
Varda Valar: It means do what is good even if it will never be praised or known.
Varda Valar: We pick up the litter beside the trash can and put it in the can, although no one else will ever know, because it is right.
Varda Valar: The Rangers did a lot of great deeds, protecting Hobbits and Men against horrors that would have frozen the blood of the protected with fear, and it was never known to those folk.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah, so, don't worry if nobody else cares :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Or knows.
Varda Valar: If it's right to do, it's right to do, whether or not praise is involved. Aye.
Varda Valar: You know. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Right :-)
Varda Valar: Sam was like that too. He did a lot to help, even though even Frodo would never know.
Varda Valar: Who else might have had a similar feeling?
Varda Valar: How about Faramir?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Was thinking Faramir, but then again he still cared a lot about what his father thought.
Varda Valar: He led the southern rangers, with very little praise for any of them.
Ar-Pharazon-V: So that still took priority in some cases.
Varda Valar: And yet, Faramir would do what he believed to be right even if his father didn't like it.
Varda Valar: That was one reason his father was angry with him.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I suppose nobody's perfect :-)
Varda Valar: Right again. :-)
Varda Valar: It's a form of heroism. Who else showed it?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hmm, tough one...
Varda Valar: Any of the Fellowship knew they could do great deeds without it ever getting back to anyone else about what they did.
Varda Valar: They all intended to go into Mordor with Frodo, despite almost certain death.
Ar-Pharazon-V: But they knew of each other, and they knew some folks back home would know, like Elrond.
Varda Valar: The stories of all the great things they did on the way would likely never be known.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Though yes, the details would be lost.
Varda Valar: The overarching thing of going there was known, aye. But were they mostly cowering in back or out there really being heroic? No one would know.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I suppose Merry and Pippin both went on heroic military adventures *hoping* that nobody would notice them...
Varda Valar: How about the healers who helped on the battlefields? We don't know who most of them were, but they had to do amazing feats to reach those in need.
Varda Valar: heh, point.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Sorry, I'm rather grasping at straws here. Maybe you've had more time to think about multiple interpretations than I have :-)
Varda Valar: Most likely. :-)
Varda Valar: And not distracted by a computer giving fits.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Nah, that's pretty much done, I left WoW too.
Varda Valar: Arien is also distracted. Shall we move to After-meeting?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Just trying to think of people who did heroic stuff while not expecting anyone to know about it.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Assuming I'm interpreting it right.
Varda Valar: That's exactly right.
Varda Valar: Tough, as we may not have known about it either. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Heh, like those healers.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well, the Grey Company entered the paths of the dead while telling as few people as possible, even though they may not have necessarily come out?
Ar-Pharazon-V: Which is possibly the original context of the quote.
Varda Valar: They were even considered stupidly suicidal to do it.
Varda Valar: Not exactly praise.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Indeed :-)
Varda Valar: Eowyn hid her identity and went to war hoping to do great deeds.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Fatty Bolger offered to stay behind and keep up the distraction, even though nobody knew except a handful of hobbits who were likely not to make it anyway.
Varda Valar: Aye
Varda Valar: Gandalf did his work even being considered a "storm crow" of bad tidings.
Arien V (AriehnV) has left the room.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Beren and Luthien took on a likely fruitless and suicidal quest they were not expected to return from, but they were comfortable enough with each other knowing it.
Ar-Pharazon-V: The blue wizards, if rumors are right, headed east to sabotage some stuff and possibly make it harder for Sauron to get reinforcements, with barely any word making it to the main fronts in the west.
Varda Valar: Aye, to both
Varda Valar: No one even knew for sure whose side the Blue Wizards were on, or what they were doing
Varda Valar: The ents went on their march even knowing they could probably all die and it would not matter to others
Varda Valar: Lobelia gave the Ruffians grief even though other hobbits didn't like her and she didn't expect their praise for it.
Arien V (AriehnV) has entered the room.
Arien V: uh sorry closed wrong window
Varda Valar: It's hard for a Vala to do anything unnoticed. :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiyata
Varda Valar: Sneaky windows. :-)
Arien V: indeed :-)
Varda Valar: Beleg went to help Turin and never told anyone the mistreatment he took from Turin's men before their boss's return. Yet he remained steadfast in helping Tuirn.
Varda Valar: Finrod, for all he knew, killing the werewolf in the cell to protect Beren would never be known.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aye, Beren might as well have been the target the next day.
Varda Valar: Aye, but not this day. :-)
Varda Valar: Hold off the evil one more day...
Varda Valar: Prevent the evil from occurring right there where the person is at that moment. Because it's the thing to do.
Varda Valar: *reaches for a gavel*
Varda Valar: *the gavel streaks to the hammerpad that rises up to meet it half-way*
Varda Valar: *whomp!*
Varda Valar: *brilliant fireworks*

Varda Valar: After-meeting!
Ar-Pharazon-V: That's the key, isn't it? Doing things because they're the right things, not worrying about whether it ups your reputation or something :-)
Varda Valar: Exactly
Varda Valar: *gavel and hammer-pad are fine and return to their places on their own*
Varda Valar: Pro-active hammer-pad
Ar-Pharazon-V: Magnetic.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Well, I guess I could give my gaming news already.
Varda Valar: Might as well.
Varda Valar: Boomerang? :-)

Arien V: ooh by the way i did a fun ICC heroic run with Helm last Sunday?
Varda Valar: O nice, Arien :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: ICC's still fun :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Any new pets?
Arien V: yes i did get a blood blob thing from the vampire i think
Ar-Pharazon-V: Blood blob comes from young Saurfang, but grats!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Just correcting it for if people wanted to know how to find it ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Rrright, if there's nothing else, I'll get started!

Ar-Pharazon-V: Flashgaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V: is the first. Guide your ball/circle through a field of circles crossing the screen like stars or asteroids, collect those of your color. I have yet to determine what it actually takes to lose a level, because the amount you can get hit by the wrong ones seems to vary, but best to avoid em anyway!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Try to get as far as possible, or change the difficulty as you like. Otherwise, really simple game.
Ar-Pharazon-V: is the second game, a side shooter (though with enough bullets to put it near bullet hell territory) with upgrades. As far as I can figure, you're playing a zombie or robot type thing escaping from a test facility.. the story escapes me a bit :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: finally, a cross between Mario and Assassin's Creed. Climb buildings, jump on enemies, hide in haystacks, and basically getting across the levels in various ways :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Oh and you can throw knives too, to make it easier ;-)

Ar-Pharazon-V: Blizzard gaming!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Diablo 3: Chapter 1 of the season journey done, but as we found out earlier, I've got 12 days to finish the next 3. Guess I'd better make it a priority during the holidays!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Hearthstone's progressing boringly, though it's fun to have to remake my decks for varying quests now, rather than stick to the same ones.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Brawl this week was themed for the expansion, and the 3 gangs of Gadgetzan, where you play with one type vs one of the other 2, with one of the classes tied to those gangs. Lots of new dialogue from the leaders, which makes it amusing, and premade decks with expansion cards.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Heroes of the Storm: There's a new quest to play 25 games for Winter Veil, but with 2 games a day that should be no problem for me. The latest patch reintroduced the Haunted Mines map, and the brawl for this week is that exact map but with random heroes to choose from. Not much special, and each time I managed to grab one I already was familiar with.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Got Rexxar to level 4 as well, but that's still easy :-) He can be a bit difficult to play, requires practice. His pet bear dies too much under my control...
Ar-Pharazon-V: WoW:
Ar-Pharazon-V: New pet from Ulduar for me, Hodir's Winter Rageling. Fitting for this time of year!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Appearance hunting is slow, only a few items from Heroic Hellfire Ramparts.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Weekly quest is 4 mythic dungeons. Bit tricky, bit time-consuming, but not as bad as last time, fortunately. I'm a bit more geared now!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Finally got some epic trousers as well, the only slot I still had at low ilevel.
Ar-Pharazon-V: From those 4 mythics, that is.
Ar-Pharazon-V: For raids, had my first shot at mythic Emerald Nightmare too. But we didn't get first boss beyond 8% health. Making progress though!
Ar-Pharazon-V: For story quests, I haven't had much time. Went through the 5-man instance in Val'sharah to wrap up the Xavius/Malfurion storyline, and I delivered the Tears of Elune to Dalaran. So basically wrapping up a few things before I move into the class campaign, which I'd really hoped to get some progress on. Oh well.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Did some Winter Veil stuff as well, camping out for the Greatfather Winter spawn in Highmountain for 500 class hall resources (quite useful!) and killing the Greench a couple of times. But otherwise there's not much new for this year. 2 toys, one of which is confirmed to be in a present we'll get later on, and the second's of unknown origin.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Probably also a present, or someone'd have gotten one by now.
Ar-Pharazon-V: I get the feeling I'm forgetting something, what was it...
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah yes, I got 3 more Warcraft books, The Last Guardian, Lord of the Clans and Rise of the Horde, in their new Blizzard Publishing editions because they were out of print before. They're a bit bigger than the paperbacks and pockets I have from books later on, but just makes it easier to read them ;-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: And that's my news for this week!
Varda Valar: Thank you, Phar :-)
Varda Valar: Sounds like plenty of reading, too
Ar-Pharazon-V: Yep!

perseid28 has entered the room.
Arien V: Aiya Lenwe!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiya!
Varda Valar: Aiya Lenwe :-)
perseid28: Aiya folks :) I figured I'd drop in and say hello
Varda Valar: Marigold just suggested Tom Bombadil by his nature.
Varda Valar: Hello!
Arien V: ah our unsung heros ^^ , good thinking from Marigold :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: Ah yes :-)
Arien V: and .. a little bit .. Lobelia Sackville-baggins :-)
Varda Valar: aye :-)
Arien V: Sharkys people didnt expect no resistance from her i think .certainly not
Arien V: my hero just now will be THE PILLOW !
Arien V: accompanied by its faithful companion .. THE BLANKET
perseid28: lol

Arien V: Namarie my friends and i ll see you maybe next sunday if there is a meeting then?
Varda Valar: There will be a meeting [Note: very, very short meeting.]

Varda Valar: The hobbits gave
Varda Valar: loyalty to a king they didn't know.
perseid28: Namarie Arien!
Ar-Pharazon-V: Namarie!
Arien V: all right :-) Namarie!
Arien V (AriehnV) has left the room.
Varda Valar: So the hobbits giving their loyalty without expectation of reward were protected by the descendants of the king.
Varda Valar: Namarie Arien
Varda Valar: Eru knows :-)
Varda Valar: Marigold suggests:
Varda Valar: With a stretch, the participants of the challenge at the Black Gate would qualify, since presumably they (and all of ME) might have been destroyed...
Varda Valar: She says:
Varda Valar: pretty thankless endeavor, if the Ring weren't destroyed on time.
Ar-Pharazon-V: Such is the nature of a decoy.
Varda Valar: FaraM
Varda Valar: sorry for the cross typing while riding through monsters  :-)
Varda Valar: Interesting about the decoys
Varda Valar: back
Ar-Pharazon-V: Aiyata
Varda Valar: Hantal :-)
Ar-Pharazon-V: saving and sending transcript