Valar Guild

September 20, 2015 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC/GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (4)
    AriehnV (presiding), ArPharazonV, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Varda Valar

Meeting begins
    Bert-(V), new member!
    Falco-(V), new member today!
    Discussion topic:  Is Tom's singing and dancing an indicator of being a bit crazy? (suggestion from Falco-V)
    Gaming news from Ar-Pharazon, including the ever-popular flashgaming reviews.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar. :-) Plenty of time yet. Giving a recruiting test.
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Getting 3 of my characters started at brewfest to get enough tokens for the new pet and toys.
VardaValar1: Good luck :-)
ArPharazonV: Thanks. Getting 200 tokens on an alt that can't fight Coren Direbrew is going to be a challenge.
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: ack! You crashified!
ArPharazonV: didn't say so for me
VardaValar1: Interesting.
ArPharazonV: ArPharazonV: Thanks. Getting 200 tokens on an alt that can't fight Coren Direbrew is going to be a challenge.VardaValar1 has entered the room.VardaValar1: ack! You crashified!
ArPharazonV: what'd I miss?
VardaValar1: Nothing. Odd that it showed you as having left.
ArPharazonV: It could be that I did, and that it reconnected itself.
ArPharazonV: AIM's done that before.
VardaValar1: Perfect 5/5 score!
ArPharazonV: Yay!
AriehnV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Right, almost done with Brewfest for today..
VardaValar1: Great :-)
VardaValar1: Almost done with this recruiting test.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
AriehnV: Aiya both :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Still working on a recruiting test, almost done.
VardaValar1: Asking Arien if she can take over the meeting for now?
AriehnV: Uhm aye sure can do
VardaValar1: Thank you.
AriehnV: its a bit late
VardaValar1: Aye, it is. I can take over shortly if you need to go.

AriehnV: but .. still Elen sila lumenn ometielvo !
AriehnV: a start shines upon the hour of our meetig!
AriehnV: meeting even

AriehnV: so Membership news: we are alll here ! and Varda is busy recruiting somebody new to welckome in our illustrous midst!
AriehnV: I am back to work since Friday and on an early shift tomorrow , so i ll have to finish quite punctual I fear
AriehnV: Any other membership news?
AriehnV: from the website .. we have a new member and it is Bert V from Lotro who transferredfrom the Nimrodel server when the transfers start
AriehnV: He picked Samwise as outstanding character *possibly because he was pretty much a witness to everything"
AriehnV: And . more to stand out with this new Bert :-) he passed his test perfectly with r5 right answers to 5 questions
AriehnV: A very warm welcome to Bert V :-)
ArPharazonV: Hurray for Bert!

VardaValar1: In other good news,
VardaValar1: in this last minute, we have another new member:
VardaValar1: Welcome to Falco-(V)!
AriehnV: welcome to Falco-(V) and congratulations to the passed test :-D
ArPharazonV: Welcome!
AriehnV: I remember I was very nervous on both Membership and Maiar test .. I am ot a test person ^^ , so congratulations doubly to everyone who passes anything l(
AriehnV: :-)
VardaValar1: Those kin tests make everyone sweat, no matter how friendly I try to be on those. But we get high quality people. :-)
AriehnV: thank you :-)
AriehnV: There are no web news or gaming news that i could detect. Do you have any , Varda?
VardaValar1: o wow. That's unusual. You're right!
VardaValar1: I was delayed in putting up the artwork. Test more important.
VardaValar1: Checking email to see what happened to Eonwe.

AriehnV: Gaming news any of us?
AriehnV: Do you have anything on WoW, Varda?
VardaValar1: Eonwe says we have updates for the GSMU and thank you to all the emails helping him with that!
VardaValar1: also, Hi from Mirabella-(V)
VardaValar1: In LotRO, we had Pirate Day for the weekend. :-)
VardaValar1: Bingo's quest line is added to every Wednesday.
VardaValar1: Any other gaming general news?
ArPharazonV: Heroes of the Storm has a Twitch promotion thing going on for a new in-game portrait. But I don't have a Twitch account, so didn't look too hard into it.
VardaValar1: (Checked with Eonwe's mail, he thought he put up the Gaming News. It will go up late, so take a look later on after he sees my mail.)
AriehnV: All right
VardaValar1: (Currently inviting Falco's various characters into the kin, also here.
AriehnV: I have seen Pallado with Debes Sparre in Eve online
AriehnV: I joined the Valar Guild chat channel with my three toons and saw him there :-)
VardaValar1: Good to hear. Sauron has trouble spotting Eve folks online.
AriehnV: Pallando
AriehnV: I would suggest him join the channel
AriehnV: the channel is called Valar Guild [Note: we normally use channel Valar in other games to help us find each other in all games]
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: right now he has no computer, in the shop. I'll suggest it.
ArPharazonV: Tough to spot people online when you have no computer.
AriehnV: all right , i ll look out for him when i am online and poke him in the direction L)
VardaValar1: Thanks :-)
[Note: Gaming News was indeed up but without the date change. More info came in from Bofur-(V) for it as well. Update is below:
Guild Wars 2
    Bofur reports that the upcoming Guild Wars 2 expansion, Heart of Thorns, will be released October 23rd. Excited? Interested? Get more information from the official site.
    There was a new patch:  6.2.2a, and some  hotfixes.
Starcraft 2
    Legacy of the Void is coming November 10th! Check out the announcement and opening cinematic!
    See the announcement on the latest account suspensions and bans.
    Also see the newest Legacy of the Void Beta Balance Update.

AriehnV: Else i have no general Valar related gaming news :-) so we can switch over to Tolkien
AriehnV: And we have a suggestion here already I hear!
ArPharazonV: Everyone's favorite enigma?
AriehnV: Is Tom's singing and dancing an indicator of being a bit crazy?
VardaValar1: The question is from new member Falco, a bit tongue in cheek.
ArPharazonV: Let's start with putting forth the word "eccentric" :-)
AriehnV: Well , good question , no? I do not remember seeing him in the book walking *normal* although he is treating the waterlillies very carefully and gently
ArPharazonV: he's a bit of an oddball, but I don't see him as "crazy"
VardaValar1: He does tend to dance his way around. Goes well with singing a lot.
AriehnV: He clearly has power through words and songs as he prooves several times .... first with Old Man Willow to set Merry and Pippin free and then in the tomb in the Barrowdowns
VardaValar1: I wonder if the dancing adds to the power of the song? It's more rhythm and even the beat of the feet.
VardaValar1: If he is an Ainur, very likely, he was involved in the song of creation.
ArPharazonV: We've had several songs of power and song-battles, especially in the Silmarillion... would be interesting if we figure that it gains more power while dancing.
AriehnV: Makes me wonder about the old question "Who is Tom Bombadil?" Is he a maiar , one of Yavanne's spirits who has gone a bit "excentrilc" as Phara puts it?
VardaValar1: Good word. :-)
ArPharazonV: He's carefree, dances his way around, and laughs at everything. In modern society, he would be considered crazy.
AriehnV: still keeps watch though and figfhts the enemy in his way i think , through music and songs and caring for his territory
VardaValar1: He can be called an enigma, linked to seasons and whatnot, but if we really look at the roles of the various beings, he has to be an Ainu. Some Maia were nearly the strength of Valar.
VardaValar1: He even went into the Barrows. Very unlike his forest home area.
ArPharazonV: He appears to be more resilient than Saruman, at least. But a mortal body of sorts might be to blame for that.
VardaValar1: Good point.
VardaValar1: His singing and dancing is possibly a lot of what his fea did without the body. Possibly a Maia of Yavanna.
VardaValar1: To regular folk in Middle-earth, he would look very strange.
karakedi25: Tom was always meant to be sui generis.
ArPharazonV: I think what we also have here is someone who's just determined to be who he is and what he wants to be, without caring about whether everyone else thinks he's crazy. And the power and resilience to back it up.
VardaValar1: Aye. And we keep trying to pigeon-hole him, as it seems just a tad too easy on Tolkien otherwise. ;-)
VardaValar1: True, Phar
VardaValar1: JRRT figured they needed another adventure in that point of time, and pulled up Tom from his other writing.
AriehnV: what is *sui generis*?
karakedi25: one of a kind
ArPharazonV: un-label-able?
AriehnV: ah i see :-) Unique in other words
karakedi25: indeed
VardaValar1: Goldberry is interesting too. River-woman's daughter. Suggests that she can't just up and run to Valinor, so she's keeping Tom there.
AriehnV: hmm a wise woman? one of the eldest of Eru's second children?
AriehnV: maybe one who strayed away from the Pllae where they first waened and stumbled over Tom?
ArPharazonV: Possibly a maia's daughter, but no telling who the parents would be.
AriehnV: from the Place i mean
VardaValar1: River-woman could be a Maia of Ulmo. He kept his presence in Middle-earth even when the Valar were expected to pull back.
AriehnV: hmm interesting pairing
VardaValar1: A bit like Melian's interest in Thingol.
ArPharazonV: That could be it.
VardaValar1: So a Maia of Ulmo may have had a child. Wonder who the lucky dad was and what happened ot him.
VardaValar1: *to
ArPharazonV: Possibly drowning. Dangerous to get involved with rivers.
VardaValar1: True in a lot of mythology and folklore. Water spirits tended to drown humans.
karakedi25: probably because IRL many couldn't swim
VardaValar1: Good point
VardaValar1: trying to help Falco enter the room
ArPharazonV: Always an interesting problem.
AriehnV: lure them into their underwater reals
AriehnV: realms
AriehnV: but possibly Tom was too resilient for that and as a kind of "compromise" chose the Old Forest with her as their common realm
AriehnV: they had contact though to the world outside ... the contact with Barliman Butterbur was clear and very possibly was in touch with the Hobbits as well
ArPharazonV: Or the daughter decided to keep this one alive because he was so happy and friendly :-)
karakedi25: Farmer Maggot
VardaValar1: True
AriehnV: correct :-) thanks Indis I couldnt remember the name
ArPharazonV: Could be. But wouldn't word of him have spread around a bit?
ArPharazonV: I guess that's where the Adventures of Tom Bombadil comes from..
VardaValar1: In one line of a song by Tom, he mentions a time back when "her heart was beating".
ArPharazonV: whose heart? Goldberry's?
VardaValar1: Yes
ArPharazonV: So it doesn't beat now?
VardaValar1: One suspects
ArPharazonV: Goldberry's a zombie. Someone who drowned but came back to life.
AriehnV: but .. wouldnt that make her undead? However she does not seem eveil?
VardaValar1: ack
VardaValar1: Or a rusalka
VardaValar1: She's not evil, aye
ArPharazonV: Even if she was, it might not even matter to Tom Bombadil..
ArPharazonV: Would make bringing guests home hazardous, though, I so I don't think that was the case, indeed ;-)
AriehnV: Interesting riddle and question with loads of room for sepeculation :-)#
VardaValar1: Goldberry seemed to be a good person, very handy with domestic things.
VardaValar1: Tom seemed to think she *needed* the bowls of water and lilies.
ArPharazonV: Could be that it sustained her in undeath.
ArPharazonV: Gaining new life from the river.
AriehnV: flowers as lifegivers .. seems somehow familiar :-)_
AriehnV: or as sign of life
VardaValar1: Intriguing thought. :-)
ArPharazonV: Reminds me of Simbelmynė.
VardaValar1: In other news,
VardaValar1: Sept 22 is coming up
VardaValar1: the "birthday" of Bilbo and Frodo.
ArPharazonV: Wooh!
VardaValar1: Please feel free to mail each other food and mathoms in your respective games!
ArPharazonV: *opens mailbox* Oh, look. More lembas bread.
VardaValar1: hehehehe
VardaValar1: Poor Phar
VardaValar1: I'm going to have to leave. Namarie for now. :-)
VardaValar1: *hands hammer to Arien*
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
AriehnV: right lets call it for today
karakedi25: same here...Namarie all

AriehnV: AftermeetingQ
VardaValar1: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: Swing that gavel.
AriehnV: *bangs appruptly and makes it flare with sun golld"
VardaValar1: Pretty!
ArPharazonV: If slightly blinding.
VardaValar1: Hey, Valie of Light here. No problem. ;-)
VardaValar1: Namarie actually this time. :-)
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Namarie Varda!

ArPharazonV: Right, personal gaming.
ArPharazonV: For flashgaming, I'll give you 3 games today!
ArPharazonV: is an action game where you play one of 3 simple hero types, like melee or ranged, and fight your way across rooms filled with enemies. Simple but fun!
karakedi25 has left the room.
AriehnV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Hmm.
ArPharazonV: Personal gaming to empty audience.
ArPharazonV: Well, it'll have to do for you transcript-readers. [Note: Hiya from one of the transcript readers, and thanks!]
AriehnV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata :-)
AriehnV: geee closed the wrong window ^^#
ArPharazonV: Second game is!
ArPharazonV: Platformer where you play a samurai - or actually a ninja, as far as I can tell - and plow your way through enemies, while also being able to destroy most of the terrain. Can make proceeding a bit tricky if you're being too aggressive, or have bad aim :-)
ArPharazonV: as the third game, an action game where you to jump from car to car to reach the finish in time. Funny, but can be a bit frustrating.

ArPharazonV: Right! Blizzard games!
ArPharazonV: Hearthstone: Still doing quests, some of the classes are halfway to the next level now, but the others still behind. Gonna take a lot of playing still.
ArPharazonV: Diablo 3: Got to level 45 on my seasonal wizard! Moved up to expert difficulty now, but things still die pretty fast. Got a few legendary items, too.
ArPharazonV: Finished chapter one of the season journey, and have 7 out of 8 conditions done for chapter two, the last one being level 60. Shouldn't take me too long I hope. All looks very promising :-)
ArPharazonV: Heroes of the Storm: Bought Kharazim the monk yesterday, because I needed quests for a diablo character and a support hero, and he's the only one I could do both with.
ArPharazonV: Seems interesting enough, I've been testing out builds for fast healing as well as for rapid dps, but he's a bit fragile when it comes to facing other heroes.
ArPharazonV: I'm not too good at support heroes, but I should be able to win a few matches with him.
ArPharazonV: WoW:
AriehnV: I ve reached level 60 on my season monk :-)
ArPharazonV: Legendary ring acquired! Bought a second one for my dps spec as well. Unfortunately, the weekly upgrade you get from killing normal or higher Archimonde is only for one thing at a time, so I'll keep that for the tanky ring for now, as it's my main spec.
ArPharazonV: Grats :-)
ArPharazonV: I also found a group for Mage Lord Gogg'nathog, at last, so now the achievement to kill all 5 garrison bosses is complete.
AriehnV: ((and got that bug fixed found a series of forum posts from players who had the same problem .. was Amd related , but found a very good post describing the solution))
ArPharazonV: Ah, great.
AriehnV: Congrats to your ring and the achievement :-D
AriehnV: I hate to leave you alone now .. but i do have to get up in six hours :-\
ArPharazonV: Oh, and I've also collected a bunch of new pets this week. Got my second one from the three ogre rares in Highmaul, several from the Menagerie quest in the garrison (I now have 3 out of 7), and am almost done with Draenor Safari.
ArPharazonV: Just want to find a leatherhide runt before I'm done with that.
ArPharazonV: Oh, before you go
ArPharazonV: Remember, Brewfest has started!
ArPharazonV: Comes with 1 new pet and 2 new toys today, so good for collectors, but you'll need to collect a whole bunch of tokens for them :-)
ArPharazonV: And that'll be my news for this week, so feel free to catch some sleep ;-)
AriehnV: all right I ll remember :-)

AriehnV: Namarie for now and see you in game possibly!
AriehnV: tomorrow ..
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
AriehnV: today .. today is the tomorrow of all our yesterdays .. sagenods
AriehnV: Namarie :-)
ArPharazonV: We all get very philosophical when we're tired.
AriehnV: *chuckles and poofs*]
AriehnV has left the room.