November 22, 2015 Sunday Meeting
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AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace
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Transcript work by Ar-Pharazon and Varda.
AnarionV/Anarion House of Elendil,
Arien-(Valar)/AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Farmer Maggot-(V)/thesirg3,
Lenwe-(V)/perseid28, PallandoValar, and VardaValar1 (presiding)
Lenwe's "few words"
Discussion topic: The first of the LotR books is called "The Fellowship of the Ring".
What is meant by a fellowship, especially as referred to here?
Gaming news from Ar-Pharazon including flashgaming reviews.
Samwise's being a batman, discussed in a couple of spots.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Golden One :-)
PallandoValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Pallando :-)
AriehnV has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya Varda, Pallando, Arien!
thesirg3 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Farmer :-)
AriehnV: Aiya Phari , Farmer, Varda and Pallando :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya Farmer!
thesirg3: Aiya all and namarie. Dinner :-)
VardaValar1: mmm dinner :-)
VardaValar1: Lenwe is perseid28 for your buddy list
VardaValar1: Not on right now, but nice to know
ArPharazonV: Will add him.
VardaValar1: May have to go through and work on my AIM list later. Be sure to message me, folks!
VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: A star shines on the hour of our meeting!
VardaValar1: Happy to be back. :-)
VardaValar1: Unfortunately Fangorn's dad is back in the hospital again, but we hope all will be well.
ArPharazonV: Good luck to him.
AriehnV: bleh .. All the best for him
VardaValar1: Thank you
VardaValar1: For Indis, Suzia put up some screenies of the LotRO memorial:
VardaValar1: Nimrodel has been away in Ohio, coming back and forth, as her dad has been ill. He passed away.
VardaValar1: In other, cheerier news,
VardaValar1: yesterday a number of Valarites, friends, and some of their family members came together
VardaValar1: at the Texas RenFair.
VardaValar1: Weather was surprisingly good, and we could walk around most of the mud from the recent rains. Pleasantly cool.
VardaValar1: Among the actual Valarites were Dis, Sauron, Gimli, and myself.
VardaValar1: Much fun was had by all. :-)
VardaValar1: How we crammed that many in one SUV...
ArPharazonV: Like a clown-car?
VardaValar1: Fortunately Dis and Alrid had their own vehicle.
VardaValar1: A bit. :-)
VardaValar1: Ahah! Lenwe is on. Invitation attempt number one.
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
perseid28 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Lenwe. Welcome to the Sunday meeting. :-)
perseid28: Aiya all! And thank you :-)
VardaValar1: We were just in Membership news, a bunch of us got together at the Texas RenFaire and had a good time. :-)
perseid28: Sounds fun!
VardaValar1: Would you like to say your "few words" if you have a bit
of time? Just a bit on how you came across the group and where you're
from (generally such as state/province and country)
VardaValar1: An intro to the group.
VardaValar1: (Some call the "few words" hazing, but it's not intentional.)
AriehnV: Aiya Lenwe
VardaValar1: Let us know if you're in the middle of something lethal or businessy etc and can't talk right now.
perseid28: No problem, let me write a few words :-)
perseid28: I'm from Minnesota originally, but as my wife is in the Air
Force we do a bit of moving. Just moved to Ohio from New Mexico. I
happened to be in-game on a Saturday when Varda was doing some
recruiting, and the kinship description had a strong appeal to me .
I've been a fan of the LotR, and this has given me some motivation to
get back into Tolkein's work :-) My career background is physics, so
hopefully you guys aren't expecting beautiful artwork or literary
compositions coming from me any time soon...
ArPharazonV: Grand elaborate theories about the application of certain laws of physics in Middle-Earth can be fun too.
VardaValar1: Gets crazy. :-)
perseid28: Ha, oh yes
VardaValar1: Glad to have you here with us. :-)
perseid28: Thank you! In my brief time with the kin, I've felt very welcome, and enjoy the very friendly atmosphere
VardaValar1: You've been an excellent addition to the group. May you continue to have fun!
VardaValar1: Elwing is, as we
speak, trying to switch out one computer for another, and will be doing
a lot of downloading after that. But she'll be back!
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
VardaValar1: On to
VardaValar1: Web News
VardaValar1: We have new art from the Bohemian Weasel-(T). She's saving Lenwe-(V) from having to draw.
VardaValar1: "The Ring is taken to Rivendell" reworked version. Rivendell, Frodo
VardaValar1: Those last words are where the artwork has been uploaded, and intended to be also linked later.
ArPharazonV: Hmm, makes you want to live there, doesn't it?
VardaValar1: *saves up for a house in Rivendell*
VardaValar1: "The Ring is taken to Rivendell" framed version.
VardaValar1: This version was shown at a Tolkien show.
VardaValar1: So was this one:
VardaValar1: "Shire Bridge" framed version. The Shire, Frodo, Sam
VardaValar1: "Treebeard sketch". Fangorn
VardaValar1: "You bow to no-one". at Aragorn's coronation. Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Arwen, Gondor.
VardaValar1: The amount of detail in that tiny last card is incredible.
It was her first attempt to put so many people in such a small space.
ArPharazonV: Not bad. A whole lot of heads :-)
AnarionV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: The LotR Club has been interviewing a batch of Tolkien artists and included our Bohemian Weasel:
VardaValar1: "You bow to no-one". at Aragorn's coronation. Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Arwen, Gondor.
VardaValar1: Anarion, aiya! :-)
VardaValar1: o sorry, wrong url, a sec
VardaValar1: Interview with the Bohemian Weasel by the LotR Club.
VardaValar1: There you go.
VardaValar1: These urls are also on the News page if you don't have time to look at them right now. :-)
ArPharazonV: "I liked 'Bohemian', it conjured fin-de-sičcle decadence
of louche artists flopped on a velvet chaise sipping Absinthe in a
picturesquely ruined chateau."
VardaValar1: Eonwe has faithfully updated the Games Site.
ArPharazonV: Now there's a mouthful, and a powerful image.
VardaValar1: lol - she's a wonderful person to chat with. Comes across in her art.
VardaValar1: Whilst you read that...
VardaValar1: Gaming News:
VardaValar1: World of WarCraft (WoW):
VardaValar1: Patch 6.2.3 is out. Check out the patch notes for more info, and the recent hotfixes for what got fixed this week.
VardaValar1: It's the 11th Anniversary of WoW. See this blog for what comes in the celebration box in your in-game mail.
VardaValar1: Blizzard put out a blog on Azeroth's Top Five Foodie Cooking Spots.
VardaValar1: Heroes of the Storm:
VardaValar1: The patch is out, so check out the official patch notes.
ArPharazonV: Doing mythic dungeons in 6.2.3 for valor... and gone is all my remaining free time ;-)
VardaValar1: oops! :-)
VardaValar1: Didn't think you had any left!
VardaValar1: An event is going on right now, where if you play as
either the Cho or Gall head of Cho'gall, and win twice, you will get
Cho'gall as a hero. The trick is finding someone who already has
Cho'gall to play with.
VardaValar1: Now live: The League of Explorers: Ulduar.
VardaValar1: Lord of the Rings Online (LotRO):
VardaValar1: Much huffing and puffing as people try to complete the new
areas, books, reputation, and bartering. As well as all the mains and
alts working their way there through the rest of the world.
VardaValar1: Any comments from our LotRO gamers?
VardaValar1: Quick bit of gaming from Eonwe's email:
VardaValar1: Got the Azure Drake from
Eye of Eternity 25-man.Now working on Fangs of the Father Legendary
quest line on my Worgen Rogue for Guild credit.
VardaValar1: for WoW.
VardaValar1: That's all.
VardaValar1: Back to LotRO folks, Anything from the game you'd like to
mention? Bingo questing maybe? Fangorn got dragged along on that
ArPharazonV: Our little old-raids party has been doing Eye of Eternity
to get the last Azure Drake we need for quite a while now, and all
we've gotten is 4 blue ones. So... lucky Eonwe ;-)
VardaValar1: Lots of gaming. :-)
VardaValar1: Any other comments on what's been said, suggestions for
the website or for gaming activities, questions, etc? Here's your
chance to weigh in.
VardaValar1: On to
VardaValar1: Who's here? Please type Manwe
VardaValar1: 2/7 Yay us!
VardaValar1: 3/7 :-)
perseid28: I'm just slow :-)
VardaValar1: Slow is good too.
VardaValar1: Arien is probably with her rp group, going back and forth with the meeting.
AriehnV: Man ..
VardaValar1: If you have any questions, comments, or Tolkien Moments
you'd like to do, now is a good time. Otherwise you get my topic. :-)
VardaValar1: 4/7 yay!
AriehnV: but your right i was :-)
VardaValar1: If you have a question from recent entry tests, or old ones, or suggestions for questions, now is your chance.
VardaValar1: Your suggestion could be added into my list for the next poor soul taking the entry quiz.
ArPharazonV: Alas, can't really think of anything.
VardaValar1: Discussion topic:
The first of the LotR books is called "The Fellowship of the Ring".
What is meant by a fellowship, especially as referred to here?
ArPharazonV: A group of comrades in arms and adventure, teaming up for one goal specifically.
ArPharazonV: Is how I'd start the description :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds good.
ArPharazonV: Though there's also something more permanent about a
fellowship, a devotion and friendship that lasts beyond the mission.
VardaValar1: In a bit of punning that might be natural for a professor, it can also refer to a position in a university. :-)
VardaValar1: A sharing of each other that continues long past the mission.
VardaValar1: This is especially strong in the military, where they
depend on each other for their lives. Will he run away and leave you
and your other friends without his aid?
VardaValar1: The Fellowship of the Ring tried to stick together,
despite the worst their world could throw at them. It was broken up as
much out of friendship as anything.
VardaValar1: Did it last beyond the mission that was done inside one year?
ArPharazonV: I'd say so. Those who had born the Ring itself kept a
connection that the others didn't have, but even as a whole they always
kept in touch, often visiting each other.
ArPharazonV: Some were even buried together, or sailed off together.
VardaValar1: Aye to that.
ArPharazonV: worn, will do ;-)
ArPharazonV: No, that's not true. I don't think Sam ever wore it.
VardaValar1: borne the Ring, aye. Worn also good.
VardaValar1: Sam also had the Phial of Galadriel, Sting, and the cover of darkness.
VardaValar1: He figured Sauron would spot him pretty quick if he put the Ring on.
VardaValar1: "The Tower of Cirith Ungol" RotK
VardaValar1: but I found where Sam wore the Ring
ArPharazonV: Aye, he didn't need it. Not am I sure if he would've worn
it even if he did, or if Sauron wasn't so close by. He merely kept it
for safe-keeping, he never considered it his own.
ArPharazonV: He did?
ArPharazonV: Consider me corrected.
VardaValar1: He let Shagrat's company go by
AriehnV: i guess "fellowship" here is the common interest of protecting the ringbearer and the ring
VardaValar1: Later he put it on again (that's in the Tower)
AriehnV: and he did Varda yes
AriehnV: and just clutched the ring when he was too slow to put it on#
AnarionV: Hrm, I've never thought of the fellowship of the ring being between ringbearers before
ArPharazonV: Well, the ringbearers were only part of the fellowship, but they did have and keep a closer connection.
VardaValar1: "The Choices of Master SamWise" TT
VardaValar1: Aye Arien, about the Fellowship. Saving the world with
their mission, helping even if only by being decoys (Merry and Pippin
drawing off the orcs, Aragorn using an army to draw Sauron's attention
VardaValar1: It could be thought of as a second fellowship. The
capitalized Fellowship was the group trying to help Frodo's mission of
destroying the Ring though.
VardaValar1: Not The Fellowship, but it did give a sense of fellowship to be any kind of Ringbearer, including the Three.
AriehnV: I see what you mean :-)
VardaValar1: In the Two Towers,
Sam puts on the Ring to protect it and himself from Shagrat and his
lot. Not really thinking of just himself, as that's not his way.
VardaValar1: He could feel the Eye searching for him and didn't really
feel hidden. And the Ring became more powerful as it neared Mt. Doom,
so that Sam could understand the language of the orcs.
VardaValar1: That would be useful to Sauron, to have a universal translator for all of his diverse servants.
ArPharazonV: I wonder what stopped him from making more Rings that
could do that, if they didn't need such a bigger portion of his power.
VardaValar1: He only needed one for himself. And he tried to have all
of his minions use Black Speech. Not that it worked that well.
ArPharazonV: he wasn't big on individual freedoms ;-)
VardaValar1: Sam kept the Ring on to follow the orcs carrying Frodo's body, and hoped to use it to slip past them.
VardaValar1: The Ring aided his hearing so that he thought he was closer to the orcs than he was.
VardaValar1: The second time he put it on, Sam was again trying to go
after the orcs (after having knocked himself senseless on the stone
door) to rescue Frodo, now known to be alive.
VardaValar1: He had a premonition about how bad it was to be wearing
the Ring, and it made seeing the material world more difficult so that
he could blunder into things.
VardaValar1: It was like being in a fog.
VardaValar1: Once he could see Mt. Doom, the Ring became very heavy and
he could feel it become "untameable save by some mighty will"
ArPharazonV: Interesting foreshadowing. At the very end, Frodo's will was just not mighty enough.
VardaValar1: Even just on his neck, he felt it make him seem enlarged,
and imagine himself as Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age.
VardaValar1: Armies flocked to his call. Then he made all of Gorgoroth
become a garden of flowers and trees and fruit. All he had to do was
put on the Ring for this to be.
VardaValar1: Love of his master plus plain hobbit-sense told him not to
do it, that the small garden of a free gardener was all his need and
VardaValar1: Not a swollen thing that required the hands of others, not his own.
VardaValar1: He quickly realized it was a trick.
VardaValar1: All that from a short time of wearing, of being near Mt. Doom.
VardaValar1: The Watchers in the stone stopped him, but instead of the Ring he used the Phial of Galadriel.
ArPharazonV: The humility of the "hobbit-sense" is probably what made hobbits so very resilient to the Ring's effects.
AnarionV: All of Gorgoroth a garden, that's an interesting picture
ArPharazonV: Surely would be able to feed all those orcs!
VardaValar1: Found the spot Arien mentioned, where he holds the Ring to
keep from putting it on, when he's in all those bodies from the orc
VardaValar1: True, if they could eat it. Maybe they could.
VardaValar1: He heard someone running at him, and saw he was carrying the mithril coat.
VardaValar1: It felt the Ring's power and thought Sam was bigger than
he was, and ran. Sam chased but couldn't catch him. Too bad that!
VardaValar1: Those are the only times I see that Sam wore the Ring.
ArPharazonV: More than I remembered, anyway :-)
Perseid28: I have a question that may or may not have a concrete
answer. In regards to the "fog" that Varda mentioned Sam experienced
while wearing the Ring, one wonders if the effect improves with
Ring-wearing experience. It seems that Sauron would have had difficulty
effectively waging war while in a permanent fog?
ArPharazonV: When she mentioned it I immediately thought of the Nazgul,
who were in the voidy world themselves and had been a long time, and
were still having trouble seeing things, rather preferring to smell and
VardaValar1: Sam was not Sauron, not a Maia, just a hobbit. The Ring also had a part of Sauron within it.
ArPharazonV: So at least in some cases, experience doesn't really improve things.
VardaValar1: Aye about the Nazgul. They were only human, even if they were Black Numenorean Kings.
ArPharazonV: And yes, Sauron was a Maia. He might have had superior senses to rely on while wearing the Ring.
ArPharazonV: Also, I remember at least one of Sauron's eyes being
particularly good at seeing things anyway, so he might have compensated
for it ;-)
VardaValar1: It makes the otherworld more visible, the material world
less visible to beings of the material world. But Sauron was originally
an otherworldly being, not material.
VardaValar1: Sauron may have found wearing a material body a way to
make it easier to interact with the material world? Never says such a
thing, but is an interesting speculation.
VardaValar1: The Ainur created bodies from their thought, the
appearance coming from the essence of what they were, what they most
VardaValar1: But they wore bodies and dropped them when unneeded. Those
that became evil put a portion of themselves into things they made such
as Morgoth's going into the planet itself somewhat, Sauron's going
partly into the Ring.
VardaValar1: Then they had a problem trying to drop the body. They became forced to keep it even if it was injured.
VardaValar1: Thus Morgoth was injured by sword and claw.
VardaValar1: Gollum saw that Sauron was missing a finger from his blackened hand.
ArPharazonV: Which has interesting implications of its own. Does it
mean that Sauron's kept the same corporeal body from losing the Ring
until its destruction?
ArPharazonV: Or did he "reform" without the finger?
VardaValar1: And why was the hand "blackened"? Charred?
VardaValar1: It does imply that it's the same body, aye, or why reform without a finger?
VardaValar1: He was not just a big eyeball. :-)
ArPharazonV: Which means he got away from the siege of Mordor in his
corporeal form, even without finger. Another movie change there ;-)
VardaValar1: His seeing of someone could be felt. Even we can feel someone looking at us, and this was much more.
ArPharazonV: Can we? I've always doubted that. But being a Maia, sure :-)
VardaValar1: I can. I assumed everyone could. But we did get special
training to feel it during karate, before we went up against a military
karate class. We were civilian.
VardaValar1: You can feel someone stare at you, or come up behind you. Feel someone reading over your shoulder.
VardaValar1: One reason Sauron was called the eye or the Lidless Eye
was the gruesome habit of removing one eyelid from dead enemies. Maybe
launching the head back.
ArPharazonV: There are probably other tells. I don't see how that works
in optical physics. But sure, they do say that the observer can change
the observed :-)
ArPharazonV: Nasty habit, that.
ArPharazonV: Removing eyelids, that is.
VardaValar1: I only know that I feel it, not as strong as a hand, and usually not a tight focus by the person.
VardaValar1: Kirlian photography shows an energy field around the body.
Maybe it reaches out a bit? Don't know. Just know something's there,
and it can save your life.
VardaValar1: Ok, we covered most of what I wanted to hear for the
question's answer. Unless anyone has another comment, we'll close the
VardaValar1: We can always resume chat in the After-meeting as we often do.
VardaValar1: *picks up a gavel from the shelf gingerly.*
ArPharazonV: I have no intention of discussing auras and the like, but I can throw in some personal gaming news :-)
VardaValar1: *seems to heft naturally. Swings it against the holder on the table.*
VardaValar1: *kerblam! Lightning busts loose in all directions, but the table is unhurt.*
VardaValar1: Auras, heh. I was talking about something photographed that seems electrical in nature. Aura is too general a word.
VardaValar1: Talk away. :-)
ArPharazonV: Eh, it seemed to fall under it. Might even be where the idea comes from.
VardaValar1: Could be.
VardaValar1: Just couldn't see the field before. Might be electro-chemical.
ArPharazonV: Something to keep the hairs of your skin on edge.
ArPharazonV: Related to static, perhaps.
VardaValar1: For those that might not know, After-meeting is free chat about anything. :-)
ArPharazonV: Anyway, my gaming news!
VardaValar1: Static is weird stuff too, occurring mostly around masses
of particles like sand, fog, moondust, and can have plasma.
VardaValar1: Okie dokie
ArPharazonV: I actually had a bit of trouble finding a flashgame
for this week, because most of what's come to my attention in some new
way or location is what I've already brought up in recent weeks...
VardaValar1: Maybe making you favor some of the flashgames over others?
ArPharazonV: But one fun series got a new sequel, that I could see! A point and click puzzle game with 3 pandas, in http://www.onemorelevel.com/game/3_pandas_fantasy
ArPharazonV: So while you enjoy that, I'll give my blizzard gaming news.
ArPharazonV: Starting with Heroes of the Storm,
I have seen some Cho'Galls running around, but haven't had a chance to
play/obtain one myself. Need to find a friend who has it, but I'm sure
some of those are around when I have the time :-)
ArPharazonV: I've not played any D3 or SCII,
I'm afraid. I was planning on doing some Zerg campaign this weekend but
have been rather busy with other assorted stuff I'd been slacking on.
ArPharazonV: In that news, I've finally cleared the first wing of the new Hearthstone adventure :-)
VardaValar1: Grats :-)
VardaValar1: Oh, here's a description of a batman, which is what Sam was:
VardaValar1: /end interruption
VardaValar1: The bat was a pack saddle. Your trivia for the day.
ArPharazonV: related to the squire, then
ArPharazonV: The legendary reward for that wing is pretty good, but
requires you to pretty much have all unique cards in your deck, instead
of the usual 2 copies of a card to maintain some predictability.
ArPharazonV: I'm pretty close to that with my patchy druid deck, so I
might actually give it a go in that one, though it's pretty restrictive.
ArPharazonV: I've also got enough gold saved up for the second wing,
which came out earlier this week, but there are still the class
challenges in the first wing that opened up, so we'll see when I buy it.
ArPharazonV: As an added mention, I got the quest to win 5 brawl fights
yesterday, for the first time. And it's a rather annoying brawl right
now to get it in. That took part of the SCII time :-)
Perseid28: I hope that was typically a voluntary position...
Perseid28: the batman, that is ;-) I got caught up in the article
VardaValar1: I believe it was, Lenwe. JRRT admired them very much and Sam was his way of paying homage.
VardaValar1: Be pretty hard to force anyone to do that, at least do it well.
ArPharazonV: Don't want to be shaved by someone who really doesn't want to shave you..
Perseid28: I was just looking at the job requirements:
Perseid28: acting as the officer's bodyguard in combat
Perseid28: digging the officer's foxhole
Perseid28: other miscellaneous tasks the officer does not have time or inclination to do
VardaValar1: so the officer can keep directing troops (foxhole)
ArPharazonV: Well I remember the batman being used in a novel I read,
in which shaving the officer's beard and providing him with tea fell
under the tasks.
VardaValar1: Running messages. Has to have a good memory, be trustworthy.
VardaValar1: Probably done, aye, Phar.
AriehnV: Very well ..i fear its gettig time to go to my foxhole ..err i mean my cave underneath Arda
VardaValar1: The long tunnels.
VardaValar1: Namarie for now!
AriehnV: Namarie :-)
Perseid28: I have a kid to put to sleep, so I'll take my leave as well :-) Namarie, all!
VardaValar1: Good plan. :-) Namarie!
AriehnV has left the room.
perseid28 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Namarie to Lenwe as well!
ArPharazonV: Well, that brings us to... WoW!
ArPharazonV: Finally a bit of a success story, as I got one of my last
two remaining pets from the Black Temple on our old-raids monday night.
Only one to go, and we're finally done with those pets.
ArPharazonV: I finished my Ashran reputation grind to exalted while
trying to get the other two auctioneer parts. Did not get them, and was
disinclined to farm further without additional guarantees (like the
rep). Ended up buying one of them from the AH, am now waiting for the
other part to drop in price.
ArPharazonV: Next step will be doing some last few quests and
interactions to customize the garrison with some additional npcs, and
then I'm finally moving to the new zone, Tanaan.
ArPharazonV: If I have the time, between doing all the mythic dungeons for valor, now that 6.2.3 is out :-)
ArPharazonV: But that's also going well! I've gotten enough valor to
fully upgrade 4 pieces of gear already, and still doing one mythic
dungeon every day, also trying to get the 5 heirlooms you can randomly
get from mythic bosses now.
ArPharazonV: Gotten the tanky heirloom trinket already, with the
spec-appropriate one being the first one you get, but the other 4
should follow in a random order.
ArPharazonV: As long as I need valor, I don't mind trying for them!
ArPharazonV: And finally, I pre-ordered the Legion Collector's Edition!
Being a physical copy, it probably won't give me the digital pre-order
bonuses like an early Demon Hunter, but I can live with that. Still
enough content for me to enjoy in the current expansion, rather than
worrying about the next one.
ArPharazonV: And that's my news for this week!
VardaValar1: Thanks, Golden One. :-)
VardaValar1: Maybe it'lll have a DVD
ArPharazonV: Yes, it will. Behind the scenes dvd, soundtrack, and even a new mousepad! Totally worth it :-)
ArPharazonV: And an art book, before I forget.
VardaValar1: Namarie for now :-)
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