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September 28, 2014 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (5)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Pallando Valar, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Games Site news
    Tolkiet Site/ Art news
    Discussion: What defines a monster as we see in Tolkien's works?
    Personal gaming

ArPharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has entered the room.
Varda Valar (VardaValar1) has entered the room.
Varda Valar: Aiya Phar  :-)
ArPharazon-V: Aiya!
ArPharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has left the room.
ArPharazon-V (ArPharazonV) has entered the room.
ArPharazon-V: Sorry, internet issues.
pallandovalar has been invited.
ArPharazon-V: I hope it stays allright for the meeting, but I advise you to make your own transcript.
Varda Valar: Worrisome for the transcript! Good to have the warning early
Varda Valar: Aye aye, will do. it's just packed full of spaces and junk to be edited out. Yours is a clean copy.
Varda Valar: We will get it done. :-)
ArPharazon-V: great :)
VardaValar1: I had a problem trying to invite Pallando
Iryenth has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Iryenth: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Gilraen :-)
PallandoValar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Pallando :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Any sign of Arien? Probably in her rp group
ArPharazonV: Apparently she's fighting Dark Animus in the Throne of Thunder raid right now.
VardaValar1: Ok, thanks. :-)

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: This last week we had the real life birthdays of Bilbo-(V) and Sauron-(Valar). Gimili came over for Sauron's birthday, so we had enough for a Valar group including Sauron and myself. :-)
VardaValar1: Any other membership news? Any sign of Helm or Aragorn in Europe?
ArPharazonV: Not from me. Would have to wait for Arien.
ArPharazonV: Aaand there she is.
VardaValar1: Ok, speaking of... :-)
VardaValar1: HI to Gwaihir, Gilraen. :-)
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
Iryenth: I'll let him know, he's napping
Iryenth: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: He probably needs it. :-)

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: New pictures up from the Bohemian Weasel-(T) on our Tolkien Art site
VardaValar1: They tend to be linked into our Encyclopedia as well, in case this was not known.
VardaValar1: Games Site has more news up.
karakedi25 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Also, the main update for the Games Site players is about to be over with. Please make sure your info is updated
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis :-)
karakedi25: aiya
VardaValar1: The new pictures are:

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: World of WarCraft general news:
VardaValar1: Patch 6.0.2 is now on the background downloader.
VardaValar1: A new preview for garrisons has been put up. See Garrison Preview Part 2 - All Buildings Great and Small.
VardaValar1: The fifth Lords of War cinematic has been released: Lords of War: Part 5 - Maraad.
VardaValar1: It's last call for Mists of Pandaria-era Challenge Mode, Brawler's Guild, and Siege of Orgrimmar heirlooms! Here's the announcement.
VardaValar1: A new feature is coming: Undelete Character.
VardaValar1: Any other general or guild news we're missing for WoW? Including have we seen any of the Euro members there?
ArPharazonV: I suppose Arien and I have spoken, but we're both here. Maybe she knows more?
ArPharazonV: Brewfest still going!
VardaValar1: Arien, have you seen Helm or Aragorn or others?
ArPharazonV: (that reminds me, haven't done mine yet, logging back in)
VardaValar1: Oops! Good luck there!

VardaValar1: Hearthstone (since it relates to WoW)
VardaValar1: Patch has been released.
AriehnV: ah yes i ve seen helm in fact :-)
VardaValar1: That's good news, Arien :-)
VardaValar1: Trying to tell who to put in as still active. If we're not in the same game, it gets difficult sometimes.

VardaValar1: Diablo 3:
VardaValar1: Patch 2.1.1 has been released.

VardaValar1: StarCraft2:
VardaValar1: Patch 2.1.4 has been released.

VardaValar1: SWTOR: Batch of Heroic grouping in the Light side Valar branch, 3-manning by Sauron, Bilbo, and Varda.

VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: Some of us got into the music system more, considering playing together and maybe in front of audiences if we get reasonably decent.
VardaValar1: Currently using:

VardaValar1: Any further business, suggestions, comments, kudos, razzes? :-)
ArPharazonV: Not until aftermeeting ;-)
VardaValar1: ok, looking forward to that. :-)

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: If anyone has a suggestion, please message the chair. Otherwise you get mine, as Eonwe used to say. :-)
VardaValar1: Ok, topic for tonight:
VardaValar1: What defines a monster as we see in Tolkien's works?
VardaValar1: Maybe mention a few and then we can figure why we consider them monsters.
ArPharazonV: Generally, anything created/corrupted by Morgoth and his lackeys.
ArPharazonV: Including corrupted Maiar.
VardaValar1: That sounds like a list and a definition in one line. :-)
ArPharazonV: Dragons, balrogs, the watcher in the water...
ArPharazonV: trolls, orcs, fel beasts
VardaValar1: and an interesting mention there. Aye he could not truly create, but he could corrupt, and had Sauron leading the breeding program such as for dragons.
ArPharazonV: I suppose Ungoliant and descendants would not fall under that strict definition, as she wasn't really a lackey, though she may have been a result of Melkor's original rebellion in the Music.
VardaValar1: Only Eru could give life, which is what started Morgoth's annoyance. He wanted it all, and thought he coulf find it outside Eru.
VardaValar1: Good point
VardaValar1: Some monsters were used or taken advantage of by Morgoth and Sauron.
karakedi25: Perhaps a monster is something that can't be redeemed.
ArPharazonV: Speaking of Sauron's breeding program, we can also add wargs and some wolves, I think? Werewolves?
VardaValar1: If something once was good, maybe it could be redeemed? Others maybe not possible.
karakedi25: if it was once good, is it a monster?
VardaValar1: Sauron was once good. So was Morgoth. Were they monsters?
karakedi25: can they be redeemed?
ArPharazonV: Sauron was given the chance to redeem himself. So was Morgoth, actually. They chose not to.
VardaValar1: Osse went over to the dark side for a while, but was the rarity that managed to pull away.
VardaValar1: So we have more than one style of monster there?
karakedi25: I wouldn't consider Osse a monster
VardaValar1: Balrogs were once good, but were seduced by the sight of Morgoth's power. Would we consider them monsters?
karakedi25: he was a misguided maia
AriehnV: if he appears to sailor like a giant squid .. wouldnt they think he is a monster?
VardaValar1: Osse had the strength within him to come back, incredibly difficult.
ArPharazonV: Ulmo appeared to Tuor in the guise of something akin to a Warcraft Sea Giant. Would he have been seen as a monster? :-)
karakedi25: the balrogs showed no interest in redemption
VardaValar1: When a sailor's boat goes down from a storm, he might consder Osse a monster. What is it that shows Osse is not?
karakedi25: we're using different definition of monster in that case: fearsome appearance
VardaValar1: So from Ulmo's sometimes being a standing wave and yet not a monster, it's not form that makes a monster?
AriehnV: i wouldnt think so
ArPharazonV: Depends on the definition the viewer uses, I guess. But for our purposes.. no, it's rather intention that matters.
ArPharazonV: When Sauron showed up in a fair form as Annatar, was he still not a monster?
VardaValar1: So a fair form like Annatar's could still conceal a monster inside
AriehnV: looks can deceive .. a fearsome appearance might yet contain a gentle heart ... and the way round
ArPharazonV: *high-fives Varda*
VardaValar1: *high five back*
ArPharazonV: Yes, Beorn would be the opposite.
AriehnV: a friendly apearance might hide an ugly heart and soul
ArPharazonV: Intimidating, fearsome, scary, dangerous... but not a monster.
ArPharazonV: Same for the Ents?
VardaValar1: Deceit can be the tool of a monster then
VardaValar1: Aye, Ents, Ulmo, Aragorn might have looks that went against them at times
VardaValar1: Appear fair but feel foul and vice versa
ArPharazonV: All that is gold does not glitter.
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1: How about those with good intentions that foul up? Maybe Turin or others?
karakedi25: Turin was living under Morgoth's curse.
ArPharazonV: Depends on how their intentions darken, and if they're capable of redemption. I'd say that Turin's motivations at the end weren't exactly shiny, though he may have thought they were.
VardaValar1: Aye to both
AriehnV: Not all those who wander are lost ... the old that is strong does not wither .. deep roots are ot reached by the frost
VardaValar1: Turin darkened a bit for a while
ArPharazonV: I think Turin killed himself before he truly became a monster, though Brandir's death was not far off the mark.
karakedi25: Turin was a deeply flawed human being, but I wouldn't call him a monster.
VardaValar1: How about the defnition of a hero? It couldn't be just someone who kills monsters, because we know orcs would kill each other, and the evil bosses thought nothing of the lives of most of their people.
VardaValar1: Aye, flawed does not mean monster either, and they can redeem themselves as Boromir did.
VardaValar1: What would Feanor be? Hero? Monster? Other?
ArPharazonV: Feanor was closer to a monster in the end, despite his war against Morgoth. As you said, orcs would kill each other too :-)
VardaValar1: That would be another question - what would make someone be not includable as a hero or a monster?
karakedi25: Feanor resisted redemption. He seems to me to have become monstrous, using his many gifts for destructive purposes.
VardaValar1: Feanor started with all the advantages and on the good side, but fell\, aye
ArPharazonV: The moral system in Arda is black and white at a specific fundamental level (the divine); you could say that a "hero" might be defined by being on the side of the Valar, contrast to the side of Morgoth, and makes sacrifices for the "good side", or risks making sacrifices.
karakedi25: Who is a hero depends on whose side you're on. I can imagine that there were black Numenoreans who were regarded as heroic by their own people.
VardaValar1: Even the Valar made mistakes, but they meant well at least.
ArPharazonV: That is true, Indis, there is some subjectivity to it. Mostly among those who don't actually see the Valar as the good guys :-)
VardaValar1: When Manwe saw something coming up that might mean his actions would have to offend Eru either way he turned, he turned over the decision to Eru using the third course.
VardaValar1: Ok, so to summarize:
VardaValar1: A monster or hero can be defined by the intentions
VardaValar1: and by trying to redeem where they went wrong.
VardaValar1: Those not believing they can ever be wrong (ex Feanor) may be in the greatest danger of falling
VardaValar1: (ex Morgoth)
ArPharazonV: (not ex Manwe, as you demonstrated; he went higher-up when he was afraid of making a mistake)
VardaValar1: What would be the defintion for those that would not be called heroes or monsters? Any such exist?
ArPharazonV: Commoners? Neutrals? Ordinary? :-)
karakedi25: the rest of us
ArPharazonV: 1) heroes 2) monsters 3) everyone else?
VardaValar1: So those who don't try to do either good or evil? No intentions beyond animal existence?
karakedi25: one can have good intentions without being a hero
ArPharazonV: No intentions beyond their own, tiny world, or no ability to do anything about them?
ArPharazonV: A lack of (fanatic) allegiance to either the good or the bad side?
VardaValar1: Does it have to be fanatic to make a hero or monster? Were orcs fanatics for instance?
ArPharazonV: Well the definition for hero is stricter than for monster.
VardaValar1: Does that mean it's harder to be a hero?
VardaValar1: Maybe fairly easy to be a monster?
ArPharazonV: Yes, I'd say so. You need more dedication to the good side than a monster to the bad side, and above all you need to be capable of deeds that make a hero, perhaps.
karakedi25: I don't think hero and monster are really opposites
karakedi25: a hero is an exception; a monster need not be
ArPharazonV: Right.
VardaValar1: Good point
ArPharazonV: Anyone can choose to be a monster. Not everyone, even with the best intentions, gets to be a hero.
VardaValar1: So a villain would be the opposite to a hero?
ArPharazonV: I suppose that would be closer, yes.
VardaValar1: I wonder. A hero does not have to be all that visible. He/she/it might do the good deeds unseen so as not to be sung of.
ArPharazonV: But if everyone did it, would it still be regarded as heroic? :-)
VardaValar1: The kind of strength to do those things would not be ordinary, and not all that common. Unsung heroes
AriehnV: a saviour is regarded as hero even if he is a villain inside .. as history has shown
AriehnV: as WoW shows
ArPharazonV: Again depends on the side they're on, and what's really inside.
VardaValar1: He may be regarded as a hero. Is he really?
ArPharazonV: If a hero turns out to be a villain, he's not really a hero, despite the people around him calling him such.
VardaValar1: He may gain trust, people thinking he's a hero, but won't he let them down if it suits him?
ArPharazonV: I'm reminded of Gaston in Beauty & the Beast :-)
AriehnV: i ll give you an example from a real life situation , it didnt happen to me but it was in the news paper
ArPharazonV: The town practically worshipped him, but underneath...
VardaValar1: Actually supposed to be a Tolkien discussion. Do we have any examples in his works? If not, that might be a useful observation as well.
ArPharazonV: I suppose so. People who fell for Sauron's deception as Annatar, or people who followed Feanor.
AriehnV: a 13 year old boy played with a broken swing cable and thjat cought in an electric railway cable .. the poor kid got electroluted and suffered horrific burns but he survived
AriehnV: his parents celebrated the civillians who put the fire out as heroes
AriehnV: a pal of similar age and a driver that came past
AriehnV: as well as the surgeons who fight for the life of the boy
AriehnV: the parents know their son stil might die
AriehnV: but they still consider those as heroes
VardaValar1: Heroes being those who try to help others, even if it means putting themselves in danger or studying long hours and working long hours to aid others.
VardaValar1: So their may have been those in the House of Healing that could be considered heroes.
AriehnV: yes :-)
AriehnV: Ioreth remembering those verses about Athelas
AriehnV: could be considered as heroic eh?
ArPharazonV: Memory can be a tricky challenge.
AriehnV: if she hadn t it might have been too late for Eowyn and Pippin
VardaValar1: So the people who don't help out when they see fires in Rohan, or pass by when they seen an injured warrior, would they be ordinary or monsters? Certainly not heroes.
AriehnV: depends on what they feel in their heart
ArPharazonV: If they see a life-threatening fire and grab the popcorn, they might be closer to monsters. But most likely they're ordinary.
VardaValar1: Agreed, Phar
AriehnV: if someone goes there and throws in extra branches to make the fire bigger or waits until its burnt out and comes back to dig for loot .. might be closer to a monster
VardaValar1: Sounds like a full-fledge monster
VardaValar1: *fledged
ArPharazonV: Depends on whether it was their loot in the first place :-)
VardaValar1: Then it wouldn't be loot, would it?
ArPharazonV: Probably not, no.
ArPharazonV: So what about Merry and Pippin digging through Saruman's storage after the flooding? :-)
AriehnV: "isengard orc sets Rohan farm on fire" .. "Mordor orc comes by and picks the skellies clean .. and wormtounge digs for other loot . so who is the biggest here>? or are they all mosters?
ArPharazonV: Probably all monsters, but from worst to mildest in the order you've given.
VardaValar1: biggest monster set the farm on fire.
VardaValar1: Taking the loot from the bodies means the stuff didn't go to the next of kin to whom it belonged, so it's stealing.
VardaValar1: Eating the bodies is merely disgusting, acting like an animal that might be a scavenger, or evil in the disrespect shown to the person that should have been buried. Depends on the intention there.
ArPharazonV: Looks like meat's back on the menu.
VardaValar1: heh
AriehnV: :-P .... mind you orcs werent fed that well in the first place .. mereley enough to keep them fighting machines
AriehnV: but it doesnt justifiy a deed like this
VardaValar1: Merry and Pippin scavenged for food, drink, pipeweed. Could any of that have been returned to the proper owners or should it have been? Were they right to try to provide for themselves in the wreckage?
ArPharazonV: Who was the proper owner? Did Saruman buy it or steal it?
AriehnV: chances are that it was stolen in the first place by orc foragers
AriehnV: or brought by wormtounge and his followers if he had any
VardaValar1: The hobbits could not tell if it was or was not legit. The leaf from the Shire made them wonder.
karakedi25: interesting discussion, but I need to log out. Namarie!
VardaValar1: Namarie Indis
karakedi25 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: Would Merry and Pippin have cared whether it was legit?
VardaValar1: Orcs could expect to be fed by their army rations however it might be done.
AriehnV: I am not sure .. they followed their orders "go and get manfood"
VardaValar1: Merry and Pippin had a need to eat something besides a drink of ent draught. Could they have provided for themselves some other way? Was this desperation and a happy chance?
VardaValar1: Thanks Arien. They were under orders to get it?
ArPharazonV: Probably. Or sheer temptation.
AriehnV: well werent they instructed by Fangorn to get food for them as Aragorn and Gandalf came with Legolas and Gimli?
VardaValar1: Le't not be misled by the movie's depiction of Merry and Pippin. :-)
VardaValar1: I don't remember, Arien. That sounds right. Something to look up.
AriehnV: "I was to say thatk
VardaValar1: Merry even offered pipeweed to Saruman
VardaValar1: asked for his pouch back, which was his own, and did not get it.
ArPharazonV: That monster...
VardaValar1: Saruman did call them thieves
AriehnV: if the Lord of the Mark and Gandalf will ride to the northern wall they will find Treegeard there and welcome them. I may add that they will also find food of the best there, provided by your humble servants." .
AriehnV: quote finish
VardaValar1: Pippin said " Thief indeed! What of our claim for waylaying, wounding, and orc-dragging us through Rohan/"
ArPharazonV: So Pippin did not deny being a thief, he just said it wasn't as bad as what Saruman had orchestrated :-)
VardaValar1: Pippin is indignant at being called a thief
ArPharazonV: So he's not proud of it.
VardaValar1: I'm still looking for the place, this is just stuff in passing
VardaValar1: If it was ordered, it was not thievery\
AriehnV: well he called a "recompensation" for the orcs ill trreatment and lack of food the other days
AriehnV: i didnt find it either Varda
AriehnV: apart from an order to welcome Theoden with "fitting words"
ArPharazonV: If you are ordered to steal, is it still theft? :-)
VardaValar1: Helps to have the right book
VardaValar1: The ents had taken ownership of Isengard by right of battle. The property was theirs.
ArPharazonV: Spoils of war. Now we're getting into grey territory.
VardaValar1: If they told Merry and Pippin to get the food that was rightfully theirs, it would not be theft.
VardaValar1: Would you consider it to still belong to Saruman? Was he still the owner of Isengard? Had he not failed in the trust of those that ceded it to him in the worst of ways?
VardaValar1: Not just spoils, but actual conquered territory with a change of ownership.
ArPharazonV: Eh, I don't know. Morality in war is always a bit iffy. Conquering a territory and digging through it still counts as looting in my book.
VardaValar1: Found it.
VardaValar1: Ok, then should all the items have been turned over to Saruman to handle?
ArPharazonV: Probably not; after all, he was the enemy.
VardaValar1: Anyway, they were ordered to collect man-food for 25, as Theoden's company had been counted from a distance.
ArPharazonV: I guess that what I'm saying is that it's still theft, still looting, but justified in the context of war and conquest.
VardaValar1: End of the chapter of Flotsam and Jetsam in the Two Towers.
VardaValar1: Merry and Pippin were doing the request of the new owners of the items, as far as they knew.
ArPharazonV: Therefore it's justified, yes.
VardaValar1: Therefore they would not perceive themselves as thieves.
VardaValar1: They were also providing not just for themselves, but for the honored guests of the Ents and their own friends and lords
ArPharazonV: But they could also not deny it when confronted as such.
VardaValar1: It was not just self-interest.
ArPharazonV: Ah! But self-interest is not part of the definition, is it?
VardaValar1: Pippin did deny it He was indignant.
VardaValar1: Intent is.
ArPharazonV: For theft?
VardaValar1: For hero or monster.
ArPharazonV: Ah, well, I never called them monsters.
VardaValar1: To Merry and Pippin, the ents were now the owners, not Saruman.
VardaValar1: As far as they could see, it was not theft.
ArPharazonV: So they didn't see it as. Fair enough.
VardaValar1: Saruman twists words and events to his purpose. He got pipeweed out of it.
VardaValar1: He guilted their gentle hearts.
ArPharazonV: Sneaky.
VardaValar1: Aye. And we already know he's an actual villain, not a mere monster. So his word is suspect.
AriehnV: "so find what is fit for a king to eat" sait Entvbeard
AriehnV: there we go .. they did act on the old ents orders
AriehnV: but they had been looking for food before that
ArPharazonV: Ah! So they were looting :-)
VardaValar1: It says they were exploring and found the storerooms
VardaValar1: It says the Ents carried away a great deal of the stuff.
VardaValar1: While hunting for the food, the hobbits came across the pipe-weed.
VardaValar1: That was after the ents had left them.
VardaValar1: Aragorn was concerned by the finding of the pipeweed.
VardaValar1: He figured Saruman had secret dealings with someone in the Shire that he compared to a Wormtongue.
VardaValar1: a traitor.
ArPharazonV: So presumably ill-gained.
VardaValar1: Black market, traitorous. Aye, ill-gained.
AriehnV: yes Lotho as we learn at the end of the book
VardaValar1: Lotho came to a bad end.
ArPharazonV: Poor guy didn't deserve it!
ArPharazonV: Was Lotho a monster?
VardaValar1: He was a traitor, but frightened into it.
VardaValar1: He didn't have the courage Lobelia showed.
AriehnV: she started of a bit villaineous but redeemed herself .. and i am glad about it :-)
ArPharazonV: Lobelia was hailed as a hero when she was freed :-)
AriehnV: i just can picture it hw she stood there waving a stick at the shirrfs arresting her probably knocking the odd one on the head .. *giggles*]
VardaValar1: She was a real Baggins after all. :-)
ArPharazonV: So she was!
VardaValar1: And with that...
VardaValar1: *picks up an odd hammer from the Mathom House*
VardaValar1: *ker-thwomp**
VardaValar1: *puts the head back on the hammer handle*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
ArPharazonV: Does this mean I get to give my gaming news? :-)
VardaValar1: Thank you for an interesting discussion
VardaValar1: Absolutely! fire away!

ArPharazonV: Diablo 3! Didn't get to do as much of it as I liked, but had a good session today, getting up to lvl 41, beating act 3 and getting halfway through act 4. I think I'm starting to get the hang of this game.

ArPharazonV: Hearthstone: All heroes at 28 now! Gold cards for all them, and now working towards 29 :-)
ArPharazonV: Also, the September season is soon ending; if you want your piratey card back you'll have to be fast to make it to rank 20 or better.
ArPharazonV: Curious to what october will bring.

ArPharazonV: let's see about flashgaming...
ArPharazonV: Allright, I'll give the KOLM series. I think I played those years ago on another website, but in case I didn't link them yet then, I've been seeing them on Kongregate now...
ArPharazonV: And playing them, of course.
ArPharazonV: 2 games, interesting platformer with upgrades and things to unlock, and a rather atmospheric story, about a small robot looking for his family and identity.
AriehnV: sounds cute
ArPharazonV: Feels a bit dark at times, but overall it's nice.
ArPharazonV: Enjoy :-)

ArPharazonV: Allright, now for WoW...
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: Pooh, where to start.
ArPharazonV: Still working on heroic Siege of Orgrimmar, not having much luck with Thok, though we're getting better.
AriehnV: thats the dino is it?
ArPharazonV: Yep!
AriehnV: uh aye he is a nasty bugger ^^
ArPharazonV: Does quite a bit more damage, and there's also a bat-group and a yeti that are unleashed during the fight itself.
ArPharazonV: On heroic, that is.
AriehnV: ah
ArPharazonV: I've gotten 2 more pets this week! Decided to level the last few pets to maximum level for the 75 maximum pets achievement (was at 70 for a long time), and so got a singing cricket as a reward :-) And also one of the LFR pets I've been after, which took close to a year to get, I think, if not longer, since I've been donig that wing for a long time on a weekly basis.
ArPharazonV: But now I have the Sandling, every bit as cute as expected!
AriehnV: grats :-)
VardaValar1: Yay!
ArPharazonV: Other than that, more tying up of loose ends. Camped out to get the Banana Infused Rum recipe from the Hozen island in Krasarang Wilds, which was fun.
ArPharazonV: And gotten a whole bunch of achievements on the Timeless Isle which I should've done a long time ago, probably! Escorting Zarhym, 4 different shrines, 4 different item buffs, Rolo's Riddle, stuff like that.
AriehnV: not bad
AriehnV: you ll be getting them all hehe
AriehnV: and over all the pre-expansion patch is on public test relm and i had a quick look at it
ArPharazonV: Actually running out of stuff to do now, since I'm saving the rest of the Timeless achievements for after 6.0. My next target will probably be the 6 rare cooking recipes you can get from the caches in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, but for that you need to get random keys from the mogu in the zone.
ArPharazonV: Ah, is it nice? :-)
AriehnV: yep i look forward to the event quest line :-)
AriehnV: i wont tell anything because of spoilers
ArPharazonV: Yes! Me too. Oh, related to that, something I should probably have mentioned in membership news.
AriehnV: go on :-)
ArPharazonV: We're switching internet providers around late October, which might see a few days of being without internet, though the website said they would switch us over in the space of one day.
ArPharazonV: This should fall right around 6.0, so might miss a few days of the pre-patch, but I hope it's fine. And I shouldn't miss any meetings for it either, but you never know.
ArPharazonV: Anyway, that's it, so continue :-)
AriehnV: i have a little gaming news about a game that i tried out last week
AriehnV: ArcheAge
AriehnV: as i mentionened to Phara in Aftermetting
AriehnV: last week
ArPharazonV: Well this is aftermeeting too, and it was on the transcript, so go ahead :-)
AriehnV: its not bad for a; free to play MMO but there are still a few bugs around but i think they are getting grip of that .. so yes the platform is Glyph and they are partnered with the company that published Rift so they have a store where you can buy items to get certain privileges but you can get them from in game quests and quest lines too
AriehnV: just takes longer than buying them for real money
AriehnV: The story :
AriehnV: 4 races (2 races per faction) have to flee their homeworld for different reasons and end up on the World of Origin .. Homeworld was called Auroria
AriehnV: there is housing and there are munts which are easily obtainable relatively early in the game
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ArPharazonV: mounts?
AriehnV: yep
AriehnV: Elks , Stags , Horses and others :-)
ArPharazonV: Nice!
AriehnV: you raise them on public land .. its a short questline
ArPharazonV: Sorry, I didn't want to be mean about spelling, but I had to think a bit about what "munts" meant ;-)
AriehnV: mounts i meant ^^]
AriehnV: you can build houses on public land or special founder reserved land but you have to buy those founder packages if you want that
AriehnV: but since its a dynamic world land can run out
ArPharazonV: So if there are too many players, no house for you.
AriehnV: but thats part of the games attraction :-)
AriehnV: yes but there are a fair few server now up
AriehnV: so hopefully should be enough
ArPharazonV: Ah right.
AriehnV: So yes its the two continents with each opposing the other one .. they are enemies and cant comunicate like horde and alliance
AriehnV: there are warzones where everyone can be attacked , piracy while crossing the ocean on your ship is to be expected and desired if players choose to go this way to survive in this world :-)
ArPharazonV: You have a private ship?
AriehnV: crafting i havent quite figured out yet , but there seem to be crafting stations in the major cities and yes Phara you can buy your own ship
AriehnV: and later build one as well you have to buy scrolls for that
AriehnV: with a special currency you obtain by doing the epic quests
AriehnV: on a market for them
ArPharazonV: Not bad.
AriehnV: and you can cultivate fields and grow cattle or sheep or whatever animal
AriehnV: and you have to get resources
AriehnV: to build all that
AriehnV: The idea of the game is not bad and fairly simple to play .. so its not wolrd moving graphic seems to be directed at a younger audience and there are no real spam language filters , so you get a lot of gold seller spam
AriehnV: but you can always change or close the general chat if you dont want that
ArPharazonV: Seems a bit grindy though, need quests for this, resources for that, recipes, scrolls, parts of this and that. Could be overly grindy.
ArPharazonV: Not that I mind that, personally.
ArPharazonV: better than random drops, anyway
AriehnV: aye if you chose to play it that way you can go the conquest way all pvp :-)
AriehnV: piracy .. player pirates yes as well as npc baddies
AriehnV: for someone looking for a change but i still prefer lotro and wow :-)
AriehnV: and that was it from that :-)
ArPharazonV: Well, it's a good month for pirates.
AriehnV: pirate day this month?
ArPharazonV: Yes, 19 september I believe? Which is why it's Pirate month in Hearthstone.
AriehnV: ah
AriehnV: yes of cours Trion Worlds is the partner of Glyph and devvelloper of ArcheAge is XLGames
AriehnV: a japaese company and they have adapted it to western customers and content
AriehnV: But bed time now :-) Namarie and thanks for tonight :-)
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ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Pallando's been so quiet, sorry I didn't remember you were there.
ArPharazonV: He still is! ..I think!
VardaValar1: :-)
ArPharazonV: allright, saving and sending transcript