Valar Guild

November 30, 2014 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (6)
    Arien-(Valar)/AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, PallandoValar, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
       WoW (After-meeting) Pilgrim's Bounty, guild garrisons
    Hearthstone (After), Hearthstone more (After)
    flashgaming (After)
    Topic: What are Beorn and the Beornings like in the books? What difference is there between that and the movies and LotRO?
    Forum RP story discussion (After)
    RP discussion
    More gaming news.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
VardaValar1 has entered the room.
karakedi25 has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar and Indis :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya both!
karakedi25: Aiya
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Aiya Eonwe!
VardaValar1: Get loose for Thanksgiving weekend? :-)
karakedi25: welcome Randir!
Eonwe Valar: Aye :}
Eonwe Valar: I hope everyone's been well :}
ArPharazonV: Indeedy. Been a long time for you, eh?
Eonwe Valar: Long time.
Eonwe Valar: So of course I had to take the chance I had to come in :}
AriehnV has entered the room.
PallandoValar has entered the room.
AriehnV: Aiya all :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya Sunshine :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya Arien and Pallando :-) Getting crowded!
AriehnV: Aiya Pallando and Eonwe :-D
VardaValar1: Aiya Pallando :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Arien and Pallando :}
PallandoValar: o/
AriehnV: long time no see .. how are you Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: I've been good. And you?
VardaValar1: Folks, I"m on a secondary computer
VardaValar1: Ok, that's all the invites on my list
Eonwe Valar: If you invited Gwaihir, then it looks like everyone on my list is covered too,
VardaValar1: Aye, and good to hear
ArPharazonV: And unless Iryenth can be invited this time, my list is covered too!
VardaValar1: I invited Gilraen
VardaValar1: Hope we didn't cross them up too much
ArPharazonV: Ah, good :-)

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: Happy Thanksgiving for the folks in the USA. :-)
VardaValar1: We seem to have people on short vacations for it, great to see.
VardaValar1: Hello from Elwing and Fangorn and Sauron and Bilbo at my house
ArPharazonV: Aiya to all :-)
VardaValar1: and from Gorlim who is also in LotRO
Eonwe Valar: Heya to all of them :}
VardaValar1: Some are watching sports, Nar mentioned that one
VardaValar1: Any membership news anyone would like to share? :-)
AriehnV: Happy thanksgiving and hallo from me and no o membership news
AriehnV: oh well tiny little bit got a new posh mouse for pc .. old one was getting a bit weird ;-)
VardaValar1: yay!
AriehnV: makes gaming easier .. dry
VardaValar1: I'll bet. The little tablet at the bottom of this laptop is not a joy to work with - yay for mice!
VardaValar1: We are also in that part of the year where we figure out who wants to remain associated with the Valar Guild Tolkien fan club and gamers group.
Eonwe Valar has left the room.
VardaValar1: If you see some folks that are normally out of touch, this is a good time to have them email, forum, or otherwise relay a message that they want to stay with us.
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Eonwe
Eonwe Valar: Thanks. Internet randomly disconnected.
VardaValar1: It's making you feel at home.
ArPharazonV: Your visit almost cut short.

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Games Site:
Eonwe Valar: hehe
VardaValar1: Eonwe has updated it with gaming news that we''ll be going to shortly. Thanks for keeping that up for us!
VardaValar1: Tolkien Site:
VardaValar1: Some articles started but just barely. Been a crazy time over here.
VardaValar1: Art ready to go up next week
VardaValar1: We could use anyone's "bio" that isn't up yet. Be sure your character is represented, and that people have some idea how to rp with you.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Eonwe, would you like to give us some gaming news?
Eonwe Valar: Sure.
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: An Artcraft has been put out on Blizzard's work on the Blood Elf models:
Eonwe Valar: There's also a preview on the T17 armor sets:
Eonwe Valar: You can also see the recent hotfixes:
AriehnV: very nice i like them
Eonwe Valar: Those of us on WoW have been working to 100, working on our garrisons, heroic dungeons, and the Anniversary raid (Molten Core LFR version) while it's still out.
Eonwe Valar: *Those of us on Lothar in WoW. I even crossed paths with Eowyn.
Eonwe Valar: And thus ends my report.
VardaValar1: I even got on WoW, saw Bofur :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
VardaValar1: Molten Corgi pet was in the mail for the 10th Anniversary
AriehnV: looks nice ..
ArPharazonV: Grats on the Corgi :-)
AriehnV: and at least Blizzard apologised for the rotten start and launch of WoD
Eonwe Valar: Aye, everyone gets the Molten Corgi. If you can get through Molten Core, you get a decent helm and a Feat of Strength that gives you a Corehound mount.
AriehnV: and gave us 5 days free
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: Roughest start I remember since vanilla WoW launched.
ArPharazonV: But you need 100 for Molten Core, though. I'm not there yet ;-)
AriehnV: does everyone get the mount?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, you need to be lvl100 with ilvl615
Eonwe Valar: Everyone who gets through the LFR Molten Core, yes.
AriehnV: nice .. just dont have the gear yet
AriehnV: and the silver dps test not
Eonwe Valar: The Anniversary event ends January 5th, so there's still time.
AriehnV: got thrrough Bronze but thats it
VardaValar1: Elrond and Celebrian wanted to join our WoW group. Has anyone seen them?
VardaValar1: If not, we can try during or after the meeting. They use our friend channnel
Eonwe Valar: Not sure. They haven't whispered me and I don't know their character names.
VardaValar1: Chandria or something like that, has a diacritical mark
VardaValar1: ok, we can try after the meeting

VardaValar1: I have three people trying to get me on LotRO during and after the meeting, heh
VardaValar1: Speaking of, Indis, you had some LotRO news?
karakedi25: Of potential interest: 1-day sale
karakedi25: 50% off All Steeds and select items on Dec 1st Only
VardaValar1: Nice :-)
VardaValar1: Thank you
VardaValar1: Some of us made Beornings and brought them into the kin
VardaValar1: Some of us aren't kinned yet
VardaValar1: and some of us are waiting for December, almost here
karakedi25: My Beorning is in another kin.
karakedi25: Currently in Mirkwood *sigh*
VardaValar1: No worries. We have other members who are doing Beornings too
VardaValar1: I like Mirkwood, especially after Lorien, but that's me.
VardaValar1: Any other LotRO news?
karakedi25: I have none.
ArPharazonV: Maybe the Beorning will be 50% off too?
VardaValar1: Any other games?

VardaValar1: Sauron has been busy with SWTOR, would be happy to see others besides guild-friends. [Note: Bilbo comes in too.]

VardaValar1: Pallando, did you have EVE news?
VardaValar1: Guess he's away

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: The topic we were discussing was what Beorn and the Beornings are like in the books, what difference is there between that and the movies and LotRO (for those that know)
VardaValar1: The movies aren't finished yet but we can already see some differences.
VardaValar1: Did anyone notice differences between the Beorn and his story in the movie and book?
ArPharazonV: I've not seen the second movie yet :D I should really look to see if the extended dvd is out yet. But I'll probably buy it for Christmas anyway, so no rush.
VardaValar1: Ok. Others seem to be afk
VardaValar1: Who is here? Please type Manwe
VardaValar1: Manwe
ArPharazonV: Manwe
karakedi25: Manwe sort of
VardaValar1: Ok, so we can tell what happened in the book, and what Beorn was like there.
Eonwe Valar: Manwë
VardaValar1: With a propoer umlaut yet. :-)
Eonwe Valar: I haven't seen the second movie in almost a year, but the Extended Edition is out.
Eonwe Valar: If memory serves, the Beorn in the movies had been a captive. I vaguely remember something about him wearing manacles.
Eonwe Valar: He also seemed to be alot more feral than in the book.
ArPharazonV: The Beorn in the books seems rather calm, if gruff. Lives in a happy house with his animal friends, and gracious to his guests when he wants to be.
ArPharazonV: Just.. don't ask him what he does at night.
VardaValar1: He wasn't fond of dwarves
VardaValar1: Gandalf introduced them a few at a time, as he did with Bilbo
Eonwe Valar: Aye, got him more interested in the story than in who was coming to dinner.
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1: And Beorn was known for his excellent cooking
Eonwe Valar: Beorn was no slouch either, though. He verified the story.
VardaValar1: His creatures and himself were quite large
ArPharazonV: Got him so intrigued in a story that he didn't know he was getting over a dozen guests for dinner until it was too late.
VardaValar1: Bilbo could walk under the hem of Beorn's tunic
VardaValar1: Beorn had a son, Grimbeorn who became leader after him.
VardaValar1: There were other Beornings.
Eonwe Valar: "A very good tale!" said he. "The best I have heard for a long while. If all beggars could tell such a good one, they might find me kinder. You may be making it all up, of course, but you deserve a supper for the story all the same...."
VardaValar1: They were given the area of central Mirkwood after Thranduil's people and Celeborn's cleared out the evil
ArPharazonV: These other Beornings... not all descended from Beorn, I presume.
VardaValar1: Grimbeorn was his son
VardaValar1: But the others, it doesn't say
Eonwe Valar: Depends on how many there were? We're not given actual numbers.
ArPharazonV: Then again, Beorn himself must've had family. Parents, cousins. Yet we don't hear from them.
VardaValar1: The story tries to focus mostly on Bilbo and his companions
AriehnV: err Manwe and a half CVarda &&
ArPharazonV: But at the Bo5A, he arrives by himself, without support from other werebears.
VardaValar1: That's one reason we don't get to follow Gandalf's adventures much in the Hobbit, had to use the appendix
VardaValar1: :-) @ Arien
Eonwe Valar: Presumably, they're called "Beornings" because he was their leader, or because he's the first we're introduced to.
VardaValar1: Aye, like a patriarch. Leader or father that had the ability that he passed down
AriehnV: i dont know in the game they all seem tio be grandchildren of Beorn but it doesnt really make sense
VardaValar1: The War of the Rings was a good while after the Battle of the Five Armies
VardaValar1: A patriarch could have quite an extended family, so aye.
ArPharazonV: An extended family usually originates from more than just one son.
VardaValar1: Agreed
VardaValar1: We were only told the names of the leaders, not much more
Eonwe Valar: From "Many Meetings" :
Eonwe Valar: "Frodo learned that Grimbeorn the Old, son of Beorn, was now the lord of many sturdy men, and to their land between the Mountains and the Wood neither orc nor wold dared to go."
Eonwe Valar: Doesn't say these "sturdy men" were necessarily of like heritage to Beorn.
VardaValar1: Aye. They didn't all have to be skin-changers
ArPharazonV: Also doesn't say that Grimbeorn is his *only* son.
VardaValar1: But they may have partaken of at least the large size
VardaValar1: They seem to have possibly originated from Rohan, more or less. Maybe just passing through as the Hobbits did from the east.
Eonwe Valar: A few sentences later the Men of Dale are called "Bardings" and I think we can safely assume that not every person living in Dale was descended from Bard or his anscestors :}
AriehnV: size and muscularity is daunting to other folk or can be intimidating .. or prejudices like *big people are clumsy and silly* or they get laughed at because the constantly run against doors
AriehnV: so they might band togethere
AriehnV: just a thought ^^
ArPharazonV: Or just don't fit through the doors ;-)
AriehnV: or that hehe .. i have to laugh that Gandalf keeps banging his head in the LotrO films
AriehnV: in the LotR films
AriehnV: in Bag end
AriehnV: but carry on :-)
VardaValar1: Good point that the people may be called after their leaders rather than after one person they descended from.
VardaValar1: They do seem to be a distinct group, sturdy, large size
ArPharazonV: Originated from Rohan, you say?
VardaValar1: We don't know why Beorn was a skin-changer
ArPharazonV: Don't you mean the Eorlinga out of the north?
karakedi25: The Rohirrim actually originated from the same stock as the Beornings, Bardings etc. and migrated south.
ArPharazonV: Right, that's kinda what they meant; not that the Beorning's ancestors came *from* Rohan.
VardaValar1: Maybe another weird experiment out of the East? Still don't know why Hobbits that came from Men look so different.
VardaValar1: What Indis said. :-)
karakedi25: linguistically, Tolkien based their languages on old Grermanic variants
karakedi25: *Germanic It's hard to fight and type
AriehnV: maybe descendats of the House of Haleth ?
AriehnV: there is a speculation or a hint somewhere i forgot where
ArPharazonV: So presumably the upper Anduin was still populated by Men at that time, but rarely made contact with others; Beorn might have been related to them (but with a bit of.. Ursa-ity?) and was mostly likely the easiest to be found or the most open in his dealings.
ArPharazonV: With the outside world I mean.
Eonwe Valar: Which would say alot about the others if Beorn was the most easy-going.
karakedi25: According to HoME, the House of Haleth, which spoke a language unrelat4ed to that of the other Edain, most likely were ancestral to the Dunlendings
ArPharazonV: And after the Bo5A, when the mountains were a bit more empty and the danger was lower, they flocked to Beorn (or his son) and became more prominent in northwest Mirkwood or the Anduin.
ArPharazonV: And yes, Eonwe, it would :-) But the fact that they don't aid in the battle, while Beorn does, says a lot. How did Beorn get there anyway?
VardaValar1: Beorn had actual contact with Thorin's Company and knew Gandalf thought them to have importance, for one.
VardaValar1: He rescued Thorin and sat on the big bad. :-)
VardaValar1: *squash*
AriehnV: hmm interesting .. close kin to the people of Rohan .. seems they also assisted Aragorn in crossing the river during his hunt for Gollum .. makes sense if he came that way
ArPharazonV: The Nine went up there, before they headed to the Shire. Would they have come in contact?
VardaValar1: The Beornings guarded the passes
VardaValar1: When looking back, the land of the Beornings was in flames. *trying to remember when that was*
Eonwe Valar: Beorn hadn't heard of Gandalf before his arriving on his doorstep.
AriehnV: mmh he wanted to check out the truth of the tale
AriehnV: and went there himself during the night
VardaValar1: Aye, he let them in as a human, but went out at night as his changed self
AriehnV: also interesting i think if i remember right there was the sound of many bears during the night
VardaValar1: Good travel form? He did have large horses too, but might not have wanted to risk them.
AriehnV: so there was more than one i think
VardaValar1: You might want to check that in the book if you have it nearby
ArPharazonV: Presumably more of the "Beornings" had the skill, or the ancestry, or whatever was needed. Perhaps Beorn was just the best at it.
AriehnV: Bilbo "dreamt a dream of hundreds of black bears dancing slow heavy dances in the moonlight in the courtyard. Then he woke up when everyone else was asleep , and he heard the same scraping, cuffling and scruffling , and growling as before."
VardaValar1: ohh, nice quote!
ArPharazonV: Hundreds? Well then.
VardaValar1: And non-violent bear-dancing. Interesting
ArPharazonV: Reminds me of us druids in Ironforge... ;-)
ArPharazonV: dozens of bear-druids dancing in a circle
AriehnV: h nice one
AriehnV: yes i like bear dancing :-)
VardaValar1: Grabbed a book. Hobbit ch 7, "Queer Lodgings"
AriehnV: yup#
AriehnV: it always lies on the sofa s well as Lotr .. in reaching distance ^^
VardaValar1: Gandalf gives a description of Beorn before they get there too. Lot of good info
VardaValar1: Nice :-)
AriehnV: Q " sometimes a huge black bear , some times a ggreat black-haired big strong man with a huge arms and a great beard^
AriehnV: presumingly black as well .. it doesnt say so , it might have been greyish if he was older
ArPharazonV: Ever since Warcraft 3 came out I always saw Beorn as one of the Druids of the Claw. Big, long hair and beard, and of course the shapeshifting into bears :-)
AriehnV: ((bit off topic but reminds me a bit of Hagrid in Harry Potter ;-) )
ArPharazonV: Hagrid is similar too, yes!
ArPharazonV: here, druid of the claw as in-game
Druid of the Claw
AriehnV: Hagrid is a bit more of a "softie" thougfh although he has this fancy for animals and a hand for them
AriehnV: yep nice
ArPharazonV: Is that Beorn or not? ;-)
AriehnV: fits ^^ apart from the armor
AriehnV: "some say he is descended from the great ancient bears of the mountains and lived there before the giants came.Others say that he is a man descended from the the first men who lived here before Smaug or the other dragons came in this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North. I cannot say, though i fancy the last is the true tale." .. sais Gandalf in the same passage as quoted before just after that
ArPharazonV: So what's he like in the movie, compared to that? I've only seen a few pictures of him.
ArPharazonV: Ah. But if he's descended from, he still needs to have family around the place, unless he's a few thousand years old.
VardaValar1: Gandalf says he suspects this tale to be nearest the truth: "he is a man descended from the first men who lived before Smaug or the other dragons came into this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North."
AriehnV: hehe was faster with that quote :-)
VardaValar1: "he is under no enchantment but his own
VardaValar1: "he keeps cattle and horses..."
VardaValar1: "They work for him and talk to him."
AriehnV: *He lives in an oak wood and lives in a great wooden house*
VardaValar1: "He keeps hives and hives of great fierce bees, and lives most on cream and honey."
ArPharazonV: An oak wood, but still with fields and beehives and fences...
VardaValar1: The reason Gandalf believes he's from the north is that he overheard Beorn talking to himself in the bear's tongue "The day will come when they will perish and I shall go back!"
VardaValar1: Gandalf understands "bear talk"
VardaValar1: Beorn had patches of flowers he grew for his bees.
VardaValar1: Lots of cockscomb clover.
VardaValar1: and other clovers
VardaValar1: Purple, short white sweet clover also
VardaValar1: The bees were bigger than hornets.
ArPharazonV: If "they will perish" referred to the Orcs, it's possible that he *did* move back further north, and leaving his son in charge.
VardaValar1: ánd the dragons that were up north too
VardaValar1: so he had an interest in the removal of Smaug that Thorin's Company were trying to do.
ArPharazonV: Indeed.
VardaValar1: Horses told Beorn that the dwarves were coming. I wonder how much detail, since Gandalf still introduced them in pairs.
VardaValar1: Ah, here's the tunic. It was wool and down to his knees.
ArPharazonV: How high can horses count? :-)
VardaValar1: zero, one, many? :-)
ArPharazonV: Sounds about right :-)
VardaValar1: ahh but the horses saw only Gandalf and Bilbo in front.
VardaValar1: Beorn had an axe. Some folks in LotRO were discussing what sort of weapon he might have as a man.
VardaValar1: It says that although Beorn didn't know Gandalf until then, he did know Radagast.
VardaValar1: Radagast lived near the southern borders of Mirkwood, so they were sort of neighbors.
ArPharazonV: Presumably their respective animal companions kept in touch.
VardaValar1: They gain sympathy right away by telling that they were attacked by goblins.
VardaValar1: Likely
VardaValar1: and then in the house Gandalf starts telling his tale, as was mentioned earlier. :-)
VardaValar1: Beorn already knows Thorin's lineage
VardaValar1: Beorn used to know the part of the mountain that Gandalf was describing, where the company had been taken by goblins.
VardaValar1: The interruptions made the story more interesting to Beorn.
ArPharazonV: Probably knows the upper vales of Anduin like his backpocket.
VardaValar1: Probably.
AriehnV: well i take it Gandalf knew that Beorn didnt like goblins or wargs .. presumably from Radagast ,.. if Gandalf knew they were coming that way before they set out he likely questioned Radagast about Beorn and his habits and the best way to approach him
VardaValar1: He had dogs and sheep helping around the place too.
VardaValar1: Could be.
AriehnV: nice .. my character Kiera would like that ^^ she loves sheep in all forms
karakedi25: Folks, sorry to leave this active discussion, but I need to move on. Namarie!
VardaValar1: The animals are strange enough that it almost suggests some could be shape-changers too.
VardaValar1: Namarie Indis
ArPharazonV: Namarie Indis!
AriehnV: Namarie Indis
karakedi25 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Perhaps. But perhaps it's just that Beorn can communicate to them so intelligently and clearly that they actually pick up things that other animals wouldn't, because they can't clearly understand us :-)
VardaValar1: The dogs could stand on their hind legs and use their fore-feet to carry things.
VardaValar1: Maybe so.
VardaValar1: The ponies and dogs pulled out the trestles and boards from the side wall and put them up near the fire.
VardaValar1: Sheep put a tablecloth on the table, and set the table.
VardaValar1: oh pardon, they brought them in, but the dogs set the plates etc on the table. Cooperation.
VardaValar1: Maybe the animals were greatly aided by Beorn's and Radagast's influence. Maybe not all skin-changers went as bears?
VardaValar1: Over dinner, Beorn told lots of tales, so he wasn't all that quiet a person.
ArPharazonV: Maybe.. the skin-changers were like ents. Some skin-changers became not much more than intelligent animals, while the animals picked up human bits from the shapeshifters. Like ents and huorns.
ArPharazonV: skin-changers, shapeshifters, apparently I'm using these terms interchangably.
VardaValar1: That is even more likely.
Eonwe Valar: Interesting thought.
AriehnV: but it allso says that he didnt have many friends and that he had never more than two of these in his house at the same tie
VardaValar1: Good point.
AriehnV: *time*
VardaValar1: Adds to Phar's nicely.
AriehnV: . . reminds me of the say ing that "dog owners become in looks like their dogs*
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: And there's another dwarf-song in this chapter. Be nifty if some singers tried ;picking that one up in a style like Misty Mountains Cold.
AriehnV: well i am looking forward to that sequence in the third film ^^ i hope they included this
VardaValar1: The second film already showed their version of the visit. I won't spoil it for Phar.
AriehnV: ah right of course
AriehnV: i forgot .. bad Arien but its getting late ^^ and i dont have the dvd of the movie yet to remind me :-)
AriehnV: i a saving that for christmas
VardaValar1: :-)
VardaValar1: The bears you mentioned earlier came from all directions except west. So they were not in a tight location.
ArPharazonV: So there were more shapeshifters to the south and east as well. Interesting.
AriehnV: interesting that they didnt came from the west .. what was west of the hut?
VardaValar1: In side window discussions, an interesting comparison has been made that the Beornings and animals were in a similar relationship as Ents and their trees.
ArPharazonV: I just said that in the main meeting too, Varda ;-)
VardaValar1: "except from the west over the river, from the Mountains"
VardaValar1: O good, thanks Phar.
AriehnV: jhmm ? a reference to the Valar? or to Ulmo present in rivers .? who knows
VardaValar1: In that direction, only one set of footprints was seen and it was leaving.
Eonwe Valar: West would've been the Misty Mountains, where goblins would be living.
VardaValar1: The footprints went as far as the Carrock, then disappeared crossing into the river.
ArPharazonV: I assumed that was Beorn.
VardaValar1: Agree, it says Mountains and those were right there.
VardaValar1: Aye Phar, me too.
Eonwe Valar: Hence the "from the Mountains" part, so yeah, not really a reference to the Valar.
AriehnV: yep
AriehnV: okay
VardaValar1: Then Gandalf found the tracks again and they went where the Company had had their little party with the Wargs. Beorn checked them out. (This was mentioned earlier in the discussion too, pardon.)
VardaValar1: Beorn helps the Company by providing ponies and a horse as far as Mirkwood where they must be sent back.
VardaValar1: He also gives the food and supplies, waterskins,bows and arrows.
ArPharazonV: Makes it more interesting if you consider the possibility that those ponies and horse were actually shapeshifters.
Eonwe Valar: I doubt it.
VardaValar1: Aye just fun speculation. Phar was most likely right earlier.
Eonwe Valar: Plenty of evidence for intelligent animals outside of Beorn's halls.
AriehnV: there is a very interesting and powerful extended version of "Far over the misty mountains cold " on you tube
AriehnV: thats the link its unusual but nice and powerful
AriehnV: but it captures the style of the original :-)
ArPharazonV: He sounds a bit like Elrond.
VardaValar1: I''m going to call the meeting here, but we can continue chatting in After-meeting. :-)
VardaValar1: *swings a shining hammer*
VardaValar1: *fwannnng*

VardaValar1: After-meeting
AriehnV: thanks :-) was very interesting but i am getting really sleepy and find it hard to focus :-)
VardaValar1: Getting late. Thank you for the music and chat. :-)
ArPharazonV: Well. I'll give you more gaming then!
Eonwe Valar: Good to see you all :}

ArPharazonV: One general bit of WoW news we missed:
ArPharazonV: This week was Pilgrim's Bounty holiday. [continues below]

AriehnV: Bed for me and llaundry to put up and nice to see you Eonwe :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Arien :-)
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Arien :}

ArPharazonV: Anyway, Pilgrim's Bounty was more or less the same for quite a few years, but this year there has been more stuff added, so I'm not sure how many of you went for that (it went from monday to sunday, so today is the last day) [continues below rp discussion]

AriehnV: Namarie Valar Guild :-) I lsee you next time .. oh yeah one question Eonwe to your last post
Eonwe Valar: Sure, good ahead.
AriehnV: i am getting at least two days in total in Rivendell for our Heroes .. the first day on the training grounds .. a second for Auros to meet the scouts and .. how long until Auros friend is back .. if he comes back?
Eonwe Valar: You mean how long we've been there or how long we plan to be there?
AriehnV: yeah how long until we carry on witrh the journey aye
AriehnV: just thinking that it probably would need another post from the dwarves to cover the time
AriehnV: but i need an about time span so i know what they coulxd do in the meantime
Eonwe Valar: Well, I think it's been about 4-5 days in Rivendell at this point, from arrival to the day in my last post.
Eonwe Valar: I imagined our group would depart after the Fellowship
Eonwe Valar: I think that's what ee discussed at least.
Eonwe Valar: *what we
Eonwe Valar: about a week after
AriehnV: all right ^^ definitely needs a post then ^^ else it would be a momeneous party to drink through for a week or longer ^^
ArPharazonV: Could drink so much that you black out for a week.
Eonwe Valar: Seems a bit extreme, heh.
AriehnV: Oki hehe no i dont think so ^^ i d imagine they d wander through the valley and try exploring on their own within the boundaries or within the range of Rivendell's vigil
VardaValar1: Meanwhile Fainan worries that the bad guy is getting all settled in and may have already done something terrible to Mirkwood again.
AriehnV: maybe- with the Elves permission - do check on the valleys border or such
AriehnV: cant imagie that Frali would stay hanging round in the house just fighting , smithing and drinking ^^]
AriehnV: he's not the type for that
VardaValar1: Like to hear from the bird scouts too.
ArPharazonV: That should happen on the current day or after, I wasn't sure how much in a hurry we were.
Eonwe Valar: I'm sure there's open areas he could walk around in/to etc.
Eonwe Valar: *Frali
AriehnV: all right .. but yeah .. got an idea of time now :-) thanks .. Namarie :-)
Eonwe Valar: I think we're 2-3 days from the day at the training grounds.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well :}
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: Namarie Arien

ArPharazonV: Allright, so yeah, Pilgrim's Bounty.
ArPharazonV: We've had a new pet, new toy (permanent turkey shooter) and a cosmetic pilgrim hat for transmogrification, all randomly available from the pilgrim's bounty daily reward bags.
ArPharazonV: Took me the entire week or doing the dailies with 3 characters to get all of them.
ArPharazonV: If you've missed them.. well, I guess if you're in the US, you have one more shot tonight :-)
Eonwe Valar: I'd forgotten there was anything different.
ArPharazonV: Just those 3 things.
Eonwe Valar: Guess I'll have to take my chances next year.
ArPharazonV: Personally, I've gotten level 95 now, and my garrison is actually running well, even though my buildings are still level 1.
ArPharazonV: Keeping my barn and tannery busy, keeping all my followers busy, and unlocked the fishing shack with a rather interesting system where you can get baits for different species, but fish all of them within your garrison.
ArPharazonV: And yesterday I got a Gronnling-mount from a rare who only spawns every 50-90 hours :-) Though he was running near the end of his spawntime on our server, and I only had to stand there with maybe 200 other people for about 3 hours ;-)
ArPharazonV: But it's a 100% guaranteed drop for everyone who manages to tag him before he dies.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats.
ArPharazonV: So I was happy with that!
ArPharazonV: Thanks :-)

ArPharazonV: Let's see, what else... Hearthstone still going, over 30 and a half on several characters now, and some are just 30, all depends on what daily quests I get to work on.

ArPharazonV: For flashgaming I'll give you 2 games.
Eonwe Valar: I was working on the Shadowmourne quests recently to try and get the items and the guild credit, but ran into a snag with Blood Queen Lana-thel requiring me to have at least 3 targets to turn into fampires.
ArPharazonV: is an action game where you're a lone beaver travelling the land and beating up other animals in order to rescue your son. Cute graphics and a variety of interesting-looking equipment, but not too long or complicated.
ArPharazonV: Ah, that can be difficult, yes. Hope you got help though!
ArPharazonV: Aaaand... is a puzzle game where you have to place tanks and pipes to fill up all the reservoirs with the right amount of water.
ArPharazonV: I think that's my gaming news for this week!
VardaValar1: Thanks Phar :-)
Eonwe Valar: *fampires = vampires

ArPharazonV: Now time for a bit of Hearthstone.
ArPharazonV: Ah! December season has started.
ArPharazonV: That should mess up the ranked play for a few days, though, as everyone needs to get sorted back up.
ArPharazonV: And those who don't want to deal with it go casual, which means casual is messed up too.
ArPharazonV: Such is the trouble with new seasons, eh?
ArPharazonV: Hmm, Hearthstone's acting up. Am I still here?
ArPharazonV: Browser's working fine, so my internet must still be up...
VardaValar1: You're here
ArPharazonV: Good, that's a relief. Just Hearthstone then, that's having issues.

Eonwe Valar: There's a guy in my garrison that claims if we cleared the WoD dungeons as a guild group, we could decorate our garrisons with guild livery.
VardaValar1: Garrison?
Eonwe Valar: I'd say it's WoW's version of Player Housing.
Eonwe Valar: But that doesn't quite cover it either.
ArPharazonV: I don't think livery is available?
ArPharazonV: there are some monument thingies for a handful of achievements...
Eonwe Valar: Well I assume what would happen is I could talk to him and all the Alliance emblems would be replaced with our guild emblems.
ArPharazonV: not sure if guild achievements fall under that.
Eonwe Valar: But the NPC says we have to clear the dungeons in guild groups.
VardaValar1: How big of a group?
Eonwe Valar: For dungeons, it's 3/5 have to be in the same guild to be a guild group.
ArPharazonV: Guild groups.. usually 3 in a 5-man, 8 in a 10-man, 20 in a 25-man. Not sure how it works with flex raids.
VardaValar1: You might be able to get three at least
Eonwe Valar: Hmm, hadn't considered that myself.
VardaValar1: Bofur, Nob, and you?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, if we cross paths and have the time :}
Eonwe Valar: Best bet since apparently some dungeons are locked out at max lvl in normal diff.
Eonwe Valar: Well, locked out in dungeon finder.
Eonwe Valar: On Garrisons: not quite player housing, but there is a level of customization. It's kinda like WC2/WC3 where you build your base, choose your buildings, and can upgrade them, get followers you can send on missions, but your char gets to walk around inside that base, then go off into the rest of the world and still do his or her regular thing.
Eonwe Valar: Each building unlocks some benefit.
ArPharazonV: Didn't know you could change the livery.
ArPharazonV: But there are... about 3 active people in my own guild, so it's possible ;-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
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