Valar Guild

March 30, 2014 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (5)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Nar-(V)/mcioutpost, VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    flashgaming: Wooden Path
    Tera Rising
    Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls
    rp postings start the chat and break in here and there during the main chat.
    Tolkien's Beowulf
    Chat topic: Things that happened to JRRT in real life having to do with family sometimes bled over into his writing (and the reverse). Can you think of some of these? (The chat breaks up and starts again.)
    Tolkien chat continues. RP posting.

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ArPharazonV: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Aiya Golden One :-)
VardaValar1: It's that time. Are you still in a raid or other?
ArPharazonV: I'm here. DST synched up this weekend.
ArPharazonV: Just playing a flashgame I'll link later in the meeting :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds good :-)
VardaValar1: Looks like Arien is coming in
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ArPharazonV: Aiya!
AriehnV: aiya there :-)
VardaValar1: Aiya!
VardaValar1: Gilraen is baking at the moment, must smell great over there.
VardaValar1: Hello from Elwing who is in LotRO

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
AriehnV: oh great can imagine
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: ^^
VardaValar1: I'm still in Arizona. Faramir is on the mend, so I may be free sometime in May.
VardaValar1: Looking forward to heading home just before Fangorn's birthday. :-)
VardaValar1: Any other membership news?
ArPharazonV: We're in DST now!
ArPharazonV: Timelines synched up again.
VardaValar1: Huzzah!

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: Nothing new on my end.
VardaValar1: Be sure your character has an article on our Tolkien Site so we know how to rp with him/her, similar to the bio used in other rp groups.

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Non-WoW, non-LotR gaming. Phar, you had some news?
ArPharazonV: Oh, yes.

ArPharazonV: Well, to start with, I played more Hearthstone, ranked play! Made my druid hero a custom deck, and though it might not be working much yet, it gets a win from time to time, which is technically all I'll need to get more cards :-) If you participate in a monthly season and reach rank 20, you'll get a unique card back and I aim to collect all :-)
ArPharazonV: There are 25 ranks, and once you climb up there you can't actually fall lower than 20 again, so all it takes to reach it and stay there is a few wins, no matter the losses in between.

ArPharazonV: Also, did some flashgaming; this weekend I've been throwing myself at a sort of sliding puzzle game where you have to move bridge-pieces around to get a single bridge from one side to the other side of the river.
ArPharazonV: It's not too hard *yet* but it gets progressively more complicated, and in the end you might find yourself, like I have, not being able to close your eyes without seeing bridge pieces moving in your head ;-)
VardaValar1: hehe
ArPharazonV: So if you're tolerant of a little insanity, give a try!
VardaValar1: Thanks :-)
ArPharazonV: I might have linked it before since it's been in my gaming backlog for a while, but I doubt it.
VardaValar1: Good to re-link
ArPharazonV: Myeah, that's pretty much it.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Phar. :-)

AriehnV: i ve tried out a game called Tera Rising
VardaValar1: Ahh, how was it?
AriehnV: but i didnt like it to be honest graphic and that was nice but first big minus its over 15 hours download
AriehnV: second big minus there are two many interfaces which are terribly small to read
AriehnV: third was the controls .. it gives high agility in combat i have to give them that
AriehnV: but it makes your wrist highly vulnerable
AriehnV: its keyboard and mouse combined so you have to be good at coordinating left and right hands which i am not ^^
ArPharazonV: Oh, one more non-wow bit when Arien's done.
VardaValar1: ok
AriehnV: its a free game MMoRPG so feel free to try it yourself .. am best get the downloader wich is from en masse. com
AriehnV: else you end up probably with downloading corrupt data at some point and have to start all over again . which happenened to me hehe
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karakedi25: aiya
AriehnV: that was my impressions anyway others might have more luck and probably not the problems with reading and aiya Indis :-)
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis :-)
AriehnV: thats it from me L))
VardaValar1: Thank you, Arien. Phar, go ahead.

ArPharazonV: Diablo 3: Reaper of Souls released this week.
ArPharazonV: Got my Collector's Edition, with extra goodies, and a good-looking artbook, though some of the monsters in it are rather freaky :-)
VardaValar1: Isn't that a good thing? :-)
ArPharazonV: Let's just say.. nightmare fuel. Spikes, fangs, tentacles everywhere, and many appear to not have eyes.
ArPharazonV: Good thing if you're into that sort of thing :-)
ArPharazonV: Also came with a new pet for WoW, new portraits for Starcraft II, and some neato items in Diablo 3!
VardaValar1: Cthulo fans take note.
AriehnV: lots and lots of demons i hear .. Anya said too many of them hehee
ArPharazonV: I have yet to actually play the game though, but I'm sure that'll come :-)
VardaValar1: Cthulu if I could type.
AriehnV: i liked the changes in the patch before the release
AriehnV: but i havent downloaded the Reaper yet althou i did manage to kill Diablo ^^ at leatst on normal
ArPharazonV: Malthael next, when you download it?
VardaValar1: Back to our roots. :-)
ArPharazonV: Well, that's it for me, for non-WoW! Again!
VardaValar1: Thank you

VardaValar1: Indis had some WoW news from the Bullroarer test server.
karakedi25: um not WoW
karakedi25: don't play Wow !
VardaValar1: LotRO /desktop
AriehnV: LotrO i guess :-D
karakedi25: hehe
VardaValar1: Jumping LotRO ahead so we can have Indis' report.
karakedi25: mostly they're tinkering a lot with mitigations and resistances, reducing power of some stats and upgrading some virtues. Very complicated, and I'm not following it particularly. It's in the name of balance and making the game a bit harder, as there have been a lot of complaints that it's too easy since Helm's Deep.
karakedi25: No information yet on the new class.
karakedi25: the changes in inventory and mail will be nice for quality of life...
VardaValar1: So we'd better hurry to do the easy stuff now. ;-)
VardaValar1: With a new class, balance changes will be necessary.
karakedi25: First Age legendary items will be available but as always difficult to acquire the necessary symbols
karakedi25: reports from the test server so far are that the changes aren't making things all that difficlut
karakedi25: Lots of the usual moaning from pvp players, to which I pay little attention
VardaValar1: Game wasn't ever intended to be majorly catering to PvMP.
karakedi25: that's right. It's always been intended as a PVE game, but those who love pvp moan anyway
VardaValar1: It is pretty neat to try playing the monster classes. :-)
karakedi25: I have a spider
VardaValar1: Love the spider emotes - and good for going after prey.
karakedi25: mine gets killed pretty fast
karakedi25: anyway, I can't think of much more...oh wait, we get to do session play as ents :-)
karakedi25: and we'll see flooded Isengard
VardaValar1: We need to tell Fladrif!
karakedi25: there will be a small new area, a part of Fangorn that they're calling the Entwood. It will have its own reputation *sigh*
karakedi25: and some other grindy things
VardaValar1: Things we'll do to get to play an ent.
ArPharazonV: Wooh, reputation! Gotta love reputation-grinding. In WoW anyway.
karakedi25: ent-play is part of the book quest line. It will be the last book of volume III. I think they're planning to start vol. IV in a future update this year.
karakedi25: that's about all I can think of
VardaValar1: Thank you, Indis. :-)
karakedi25: you're welcome
karakedi25: afk

VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: Any WoW news you would like to share? Seen any of our European WoW folks?
ArPharazonV: Saw Arien online for a bit!
ArPharazonV: In my guild.
ArPharazonV: Didn't talk much though :-)
ArPharazonV: As for events and progress... I'm nearly done with archeology now for pandaria, finished everything related to mogu and pandaren, and hopefully won't be long for the last bits of mantid. Once you only have mantid archeology left, you can buy items that allow you to get only mantid digsites for 24 hours.
ArPharazonV: And they're pretty cheap, so I hope it'll speed things along!
VardaValar1: Sounds useful if you can stay on. Does it let you break it up so you can eat and sleep?
ArPharazonV: Nah, it's an item with a duration/lifespan.
ArPharazonV: They just disappear after 24 hours.
ArPharazonV: But as I said, it's pretty cheap, only requires 2 solved artifacts to buy, and I'm getting plenty of those.
ArPharazonV: I think that in the last 2 days (and maybe 4 hours of archeology in total) I've gotten enough of those to last me a month.
ArPharazonV: When it comes to raiding we've been trying the heroic mode for Sha of Pride, which is pretty difficult, but also rather fun. As a tank, the normal version is kind of boring, but we get to run around more now :-)
ArPharazonV: And that's pretty much it! Next week, more digging up of mantid fragments!
VardaValar1: Good luck with all of that! :-)
ArPharazonV: Thanks!
VardaValar1: Any further comment, suggestion, news, etc?
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ArPharazonV: Welcome back! You didn't miss anything.
VardaValar1: Sure glad Phar makes a transcript!
VardaValar1: Thank you.
ArPharazonV: Oh, to clarify, you can of course get the mantid item even if you haven't finished the other races
ArPharazonV: but I didn't think it was practical to do so ;-)
VardaValar1: First, any suggestions for a topic or rp comment.
VardaValar1: Good tips, thanks.

VardaValar1: Tolkien:

VardaValar1: Any rp suggestions? Do you want Fainan to go directly in to bother Elrond next? Anything you want to do first, or would you like to join her?
ArPharazonV: I think I was still supposed to meet Frali, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
karakedi25: Meren would like to join her.
AriehnV: i can move Frali to a party and that mug wine and you can move to the next day to the meeting with Elrond
AriehnV: its no problem
VardaValar1: That could work. Not sure how Meren and Fainan are going to get together.
AriehnV: or mug ale rather the elves have secretly stored somewhere %%
ArPharazonV: Yeah, Calion's supposed to meet Frali and the dwarves as they come up.
ArPharazonV: I'll try to do it this week then, if I remember to!
VardaValar1: Very good. So you two might like to work up a post together now?
karakedi25: Presumably someone knows where to find her (either library or among the Rivendell loremasters)
ArPharazonV: We can just make short dialogue posts. I'm not good at that but I can always try to learn!
VardaValar1: Fainan was planning on just getting into trouble by herself. She needs to bump into Meren unintentionally, I guess.
ArPharazonV: At minimum I can just say hi and move along?
ArPharazonV: It's just as a sequel to the last few posts and establishing where everyone is.
VardaValar1: One hopes Frali and the dwarves can draw you out a bit.
ArPharazonV: it could happen!
AriehnV: would he react to their asking after hwo he liked it in Rivendell?
ArPharazonV: Sure, that could work.
AriehnV: okay .. you just have to say hi first and we could get a short dialogue .. nothing too much might just one or two polite exchanges and then head towards their quarters
AriehnV: and Fainan can decide whether she wants the rest of the party wirh her when she is meeting Elrond
AriehnV: the thing is that we need to get this "short respite" to an end :-)
ArPharazonV: That's true. It's awkward to wait so long for what is basically filler :-)
VardaValar1: Agreed. This is really dragging along.
VardaValar1: It is a chance to get to chat with each other in a peaceful environment, our last one, most likely.
AriehnV: aye
ArPharazonV: So not filler per se. But still, if we can't think of anything to say... well, I usually can't.
VardaValar1: That's why we need several of us, to prompt.
VardaValar1: Fainan is worried about the new threat to Mirkwood, makes it hard for her to enjoy sitting around Rivendell.
VardaValar1: Does Calion consider her a worrywart or is he worred too?
ArPharazonV: Calion's trying to enjoy himself, take his mind off things, I think. But he can see where Fainan's coming from, and likes at the least to be kept up to date.
ArPharazonV: I guess he's worried, but trying not to be?
VardaValar1: So really Fainan's the only one chomping at the bit to go.
ArPharazonV: Calion wouldn't like to stay for a week more. But while he's there, and there's still resources to be tapped..
ArPharazonV: Anyway, yeah. He doesn't want to go out when he's less prepared than he can be, I suppose.
VardaValar1: That's Fainan's problem - can't see what more she can do to get ready in Riv. What else does Calion need? Maybe she could help him.
ArPharazonV: Personally, Calion's got pretty much all the information he needs, and has been processing it a bit. What he wants, is a bit more scouting information, but of course the more delay there is, the less relevant that information will be.
ArPharazonV: Part of it will be that he recognizes that others in the party have things they want/need, and is willing to wait for it.
VardaValar1: Calion has some patience, older than Fainan.
VardaValar1: Ok, do we want to shift to a Tolkien chat? Or are you two posting? :-)
ArPharazonV: I'm working on a Wooden Path level right now, though I'm thinking about a post too :-) Tolkien's welcome!
AriehnV: Frali is young and impatient, and a bit of a hothead too .. and he is an outsider in the company of elves so he d sure want something happening soon ^^#
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VardaValar1: And yet Frali found other dwarves in Rivendell.
VardaValar1: Aiya Nar! Speaking of Dwarves. :-)
AriehnV: hello there Nar :-D
ArPharazonV: Aiya!

VardaValar1: We were about to shift to a Tolkien chat topic
VardaValar1: If you have a Tolkien-related question, this is the perfect time to ask.
mcioutpost: I did, but now I don't remember.
VardaValar1: Maybe it will come back to you. :-)
VardaValar1: We've been talking about family in Tolkien's works.
VardaValar1: Last time it was the very general topic of the groups of children of Eru.

mcioutpost: Did you talk about Tolkien's Beowulf finally being published?
VardaValar1: Wasn't that a while back?
VardaValar1: Feel free to tell about it.
mcioutpost: My wife is the expert, but the publication was just announced. Apparantly, Christopher is editing. There was a legitimate Beowulf scholar doing it but he was yanked.
ArPharazonV: Copyright issues?
ArPharazonV: Wanting to keep things under his own control?
mcioutpost: I bet the second. The publication is scheduled for May. Mirebelle has been waiting for years.
mcioutpost: That's all I know. I'll try to get more details for next week.
mcioutpost: done
VardaValar1: Thanks, very interesting. We'll keep an eye out.
[Note: JRRT taught about the Beowulf poem in his classes.]
[Note: Tolkien's Beowulf is available at  There was a Tolkien Beowulf publshed around thirty years ago but went out of print; it lost copyright after 25 years. Some articles from The Guardian, PBS, IGN]

VardaValar1: The meeting has been running two hours. Anyone want to continue trying the family topic or just break now?
ArPharazonV: I'm willing to continue if you have an angle, though I'm also writing a post :-)
VardaValar1: Things that happened to JRRT in real life sometimes bled over into his writing. Can you think of some of these?
AriehnV: there was somewhere a miller in a village where he lived that he didnt like but his name was not Ted Sandyman ^^
VardaValar1: JRRT's wife danced for him in the woods and he was enthralled. Happened twice in the books. :-)
VardaValar1: Can you think of where those two places were?
ArPharazonV: Luthien is the first to come to mind, as Beren came across her dancing.
VardaValar1: Aye
ArPharazonV: The other one... possibly Melian?
VardaValar1: And true about the miller
VardaValar1: Did she dance? She did meet Thingol in the woods, but I think it was more like a trance looking into each other's eyes
ArPharazonV: Could be.
AriehnV: Arwen dancing in Lothlorien and Aragorn saw her?
ArPharazonV: I thought Aragorn met Arwen in Rivendell, but I could easily be wrong.
AriehnV: he thought he was lost in a dream and called her Tinuviel
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AriehnV: hmmm i cant really remember where but i thought something like that ..maybe she was dancing in rivendell
VardaValar1: Arwen in Lorien dancing, right.
VardaValar1: Galadriel set that up, had Aragorn all dressed up so he looked like a young elf lord.
AriehnV: oh scheming mothers ^^
ArPharazonV: Post made.
AriehnV: or grandmothiers in this case
ArPharazonV: What is it with mothers and grandmothers that they try to pair up their children? :-)
VardaValar1: *cough*
VardaValar1: Desire for more children. :-)
VardaValar1: Another cross-over can be seen on the headstones for JRRT and his wife.
VardaValar1: (now peeking at your post)
ArPharazonV: I must apologize, Arien; I stole the opening question you suggested earlier, and reversed it ;-)
VardaValar1: Must've been a good idea then. :-)
VardaValar1: We don't seem to have the Most recent ten posts now?
VardaValar1: o there :-)
ArPharazonV: "Recent Posts" is still at the bottom.
VardaValar1: ok, makes a nice transition from your previous post.
VardaValar1: Beren and Luthien were on JRRT's and his wife's headstones, as his love story.
ArPharazonV: I interpreted Frali's post as a bit of a timelapse from our previous conversation to the dwarves finishing their training, so I filled it in a bit, and things just fell into place.
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ArPharazonV: Ah, but Varda, is that his life bleeding into his writing, or his writing bleeding into his (after)life?
VardaValar1: goes both ways :-)
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VardaValar1: Nar fell out of the chat, and we can't seem to get him back in.
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VardaValar1: We see little of the ladies, the mothers, in the books.
VardaValar1: For JRRT, his work and his family life were mostly separate.
ArPharazonV: Adventuring was a man's job?
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VardaValar1: Pretty much, yes.
VardaValar1: But he must have been aware that the ladies wanted to adventure but couldn't much, considering his strong tale of Eowyn.
ArPharazonV: That is true.
VardaValar1: I thought that showed a lot of sympathy for the problem.
ArPharazonV: He seems to have been enforcing and criticizing the gender stereotype at the same time.
VardaValar1: Or more like he was recognizing that it existed and showed that it was there.
ArPharazonV: That's probably more accurate, yes.
VardaValar1: Same as he did with the Gimli and Legolas story arc.
VardaValar1: What else do we notice about family that recurs?
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VardaValar1: The ladies are considered beautiful and wonderful in most cases, on a pedestal.
VardaValar1: But sometimes we see others, like Ioreth.
VardaValar1: She seems quite real, as if modeled on someone.
ArPharazonV: Could be. A healer figure, a wise-woman... mothering, perhaps?
VardaValar1: JRRT seemed to put his mother and wife on a pedestal.
VardaValar1: Possibly.
VardaValar1: Gang, I'm going to let Phar get some rest, after 1 am and it's gone quiet.
VardaValar1: *raises hammer*
ArPharazonV: Allrighty.
VardaValar1: *thummmp*

VardaValar1: After-meeting
AriehnV: Aragorns mother seems to have been quite a spirited woman in her own way .. she made sure her son got raised in safety and could enjoy as much of his childhood as possible
AriehnV: just as an afterthought ^^
VardaValar1: Good remark
VardaValar1: Thought you were gone. :-)
VardaValar1: 'That is more like JRRT's mother, trying to raise him right.
AriehnV: oh was afking but been looking into the aim now and akgain
AriehnV: what was her name again?
ArPharazonV: Looks like her name is.. Mabel?
VardaValar1: aye
VardaValar1: Wife Edith
AriehnV: no i mean err Aragorns mother ^^
VardaValar1: Gilraen
AriehnV: Ah Gilraen .. is it after her our Gilraen named herself?
VardaValar1: Aye :-)
AriehnV: :-)
ArPharazonV: That would be her.
VardaValar1: Mabel and Gilraen have some similarities, aye
AriehnV: right me be heading to bed for now .. i ll keep my eyes peeled for an rp post next week :-)
VardaValar1: Quite a compliment
AriehnV: indeed

VardaValar1: Namarie Sunshine :-)
AriehnV: Namarie :-)
VardaValar1: Phar has one up
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
ArPharazonV: And yep, my post is made, waiting for your reply :-)
AriehnV: oh i ll have a quick look then
AriehnV: all right
ArPharazonV: Doesn't have to be today!
VardaValar1: Just when you thought it was safe to go...
ArPharazonV: hah
VardaValar1: oh, the Pathfinder game at home moved to Saturday, so I can stay longer even at home.
AriehnV: hehe nice one Varda and nice post Phara :-)
ArPharazonV: Oh, great, so no more running from one place to the other :-)
VardaValar1: Still in Arizona until probably mid-May
AriehnV: Namarie for now then .. well we ll survive it :-)
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
AriehnV: you shine for us wherever you are :-D
karakedi25: namarie!
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VardaValar1: Namarie Indis and Arien!
VardaValar1: That was sweet, Arien. :-)
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