Valar Guild

July 6, 2014 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (UTC/GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (4)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, Ioreth-(V)/LizMarr (briefly in After-meeting), VardaValar1 (presiding)

Meeting begins
    Paintings by the Bohemian Weasel-(T)
    Our Ventrilo is re-activated. Contact Varda or Miriel for info..
    Chat: How Beornings can be included in a game and keep inside lore.

You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Phar :-)
VardaValar1: Lot of thunder just rolling and rolling over here. Kind of nifty.
ArPharazonV: Someone waving tin sheets?
VardaValar1: Must be so. :-)
karakedi25 has entered the room.
karakedi25: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
VardaValar1: Aiya Indis :-)
VardaValar1: Indis, are the Beornings showing up on Bullroarer yet?
VardaValar1: Inviting.
ArPharazonV: Arien is not on bnet.
VardaValar1: Thanks for checking
karakedi25: No Beornings in U14.
VardaValar1: Some LotRO folk on Ventrilo, but not incoming.
VardaValar1: Thank you, Indis. :-)
karakedi25: You're welcome.
VardaValar1: No others responding at the moment.

VardaValar1: Elen sila lumenn' omentielvo!
VardaValar1: Membership:
VardaValar1: We have activity going, I'm happy to say. Just hard to get everyone in one spot.

VardaValar1: Web:
VardaValar1: New paintings up by the Bohemian Weasel-(T), for Frodo. :-)
VardaValar1: "Blessings" from Elrond as they set out on their journey.
VardaValar1: "Which way?" Frodo asking Gandalf which way to go outside of Rivendell.
VardaValar1: "Mithril shirt" Frodo reveals the mithril shirt that saved him in Moria.
VardaValar1: "Decision" Frodo decides to leave the Fellowship
karakedi25: Those are really excellent.
VardaValar1: She is very talented.

VardaValar1: DeepGroover-(T) emailed photos of his latest dwarf model, but it didn't have the name plate on it yet. It should be going up during the week.

VardaValar1: She has a ton more for us, so we have that to look forward to. :-)
VardaValar1: She (Bohemian Weasel).

VardaValar1: Eonwe updated the Games Site, which we can go into during Gaming. : )

AriehnV has entered the room.
VardaValar1: Aiya Arien :-)
karakedi25: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
AriehnV: Aiya folks :-) sorry for being late , but was working late shift so just got home
VardaValar1: Indis' birthday was July 4th. Friends wrote her a happy birthday that she will try to share with you. In Tengwar. :-)
VardaValar1: Glad you could make it, Sunshine!
AriehnV: i meant to tell you in WoW Pharzi but i always forgot
ArPharazonV: Well you're not *that* late.
AriehnV: happy birthday , dear Indis :-)
VardaValar1: We barely got through the paintings now up on the Tolkien Site, listed in the News. :-)
karakedi25: It's not playing nice.
karakedi25: Varda, can you copy it from my IM?
VardaValar1: I saved it to desktop
VardaValar1: Trying to bring it up, problems
VardaValar1: heh, I'll try to find a way to post it online when the transcript goes up. Format will need a change.
karakedi25: Mine is in Irfanview from a screenshot. It should come up here if it came up in the IM.
VardaValar1: I tried saving it as a jpg, working on it. This is taking rather long.
VardaValar1: At least that means it should be possible to put on the website
[Note: Image added in later, enjoy!]

Happy birthday in the Tengwar alphabet, Quenya Elvish language.

karakedi25: sorry to cause so much trouble, but it was a fun thing. I can transliterate and translate it.
VardaValar1: Please do. :-)
VardaValar1: I can add that to the photo as well.
VardaValar1: and how may I show the credits?
karakedi25: Alasse-a nosta lyen
ArPharazonV: Oh, and happy birthday Indis!
karakedi25: Alasse joy -a adjective former nosta birth, birthday
karakedi25: lyen to you
karakedi25: the neat thing, which my friend didn't know, is that Alasse (joy) is the name of my main character in LotRO.
AriehnV: ;D
VardaValar1: How did she not know? : )
ArPharazonV: So your character is called Happy!
karakedi25: He couldn't read the Tengwar. Got it off a website.
karakedi25: No, she's called 'Joy.
karakedi25: '
ArPharazonV: Close enough.
karakedi25: alasse is joy. alassea is joyful, happy
karakedi25: language is fun :-)
VardaValar1: JRRT quite agrees with you. :-)
karakedi25: and vice versa. Why do you think I fell in love with his work?
VardaValar1: Same reason we did? : )
karakedi25: that plus the delicious linguistics
karakedi25: anyway, thanks for the birthday wishes
VardaValar1: Hey, I love words too, but no argument.
VardaValar1: Alrighty, I'll work with the jpg form and hope to put it online too.
VardaValar1: Do I use the same name as is shown on the source material for the credit?
karakedi25: um..depends on what it is
karakedi25: my friend found it on google
VardaValar1: In side window
VardaValar1: ah, so he's not the actual source. Thank you.
VardaValar1: but the kind giver. : )
karakedi25: I'll look up the source.
VardaValar1: Thank you
VardaValar1: It's ok if it takes a while. Drop it in an email when you have time.
VardaValar1: ok Speedy. ^^
VardaValar1: And there's the picture!
karakedi25: for everyone's delectation
VardaValar1: Thank you. : )
VardaValar1: Delectable indeed.
ArPharazonV: Amazing what one can do with a fictional language.
karakedi25: Nas alassenya (my pleasure)
VardaValar1: Fiction? It's not real? uh oh. :-)
karakedi25: tell me it isn't so!
ArPharazonV: Well, I suppose in a way either all languages or fictional or none; depending on how it's used.
ArPharazonV: *I mean, the only difference is how it's used.
VardaValar1: He's trying very hard to accomodate us. No worries, Phar. :-)
ArPharazonV: Perhaps the main difference is that some languages grow organically throughout the generations, and others are conceived by one person. But even that may evolve if we let it.
VardaValar1: People are using JRRT's language, making up stuff like Grelvish, or doing better work, so it continues to live.
karakedi25: some people have tried to extend Sindarin, but it runs into trouble with the purists sometimes
karakedi25: afk

VardaValar1: Gaming:
VardaValar1: Non-WoW, non-LotRO
ArPharazonV: btw, my first "or" was an "are".
VardaValar1: Pharazon has some flashgaming news. :-)
ArPharazonV: This week I'll share with you a wonderfully relaxing (or addicting, or both) logic puzzle game.
ArPharazonV: The idea is that you have a big field of tiles with straight lines and corners etc and you have to turn them all to fit, so there are no loose ends.
ArPharazonV: The levels are randomly generated each time, but they can be smaller or bigger depending on the levelnumber you choose (assuming you've finished the previous one at least once).
ArPharazonV: There appear to be, usually, multiple solutions, but it'll be tough enough anyway, especially as it gets bigger.
ArPharazonV: But there's no time limit, so you can just take half an hour to stare at it if you want ;-)
ArPharazonV: And the music's relaxing too!
ArPharazonV: So have fun with it!
ArPharazonV: Also, all my heroes in Hearthstone are lvl 23 now. Season 4's started, with the cardback for July already announced; it'll be based on Naxxramas (undead-styled); Naxxramas as a new "adventure mode" content is planned to be released somewhere during the month.
ArPharazonV: Pricing was supposed to be announced on the first of the month, but it's been postponed, so we'll just have to wait for that a bit longer :-)
karakedi25: back
VardaValar1: Speaking of Hearthstone...
ArPharazonV: And yeah, I think that's my news for this week.
VardaValar1: Eonwe sent this:
VardaValar1: I also gave Hearthstone a try, in an attempt to get 3 wins to claim the Hearthsteed to add to my mount collection. All I succeeded in doing was reaffirming my disinterest in those types of card games, heh.
VardaValar1: /endquote
VardaValar1: At least he gave it a shot.
ArPharazonV: It can be a bit rough on new players. You don't have all cards yet and you're placed somewhere in the middle of the curve until your skill is like.. properly assessed.
ArPharazonV: If he really wants the mount, all he has to do is lose in casual play a couple of times (can even concede at the start of the match) and eventually he'll be thrown among players who are just as terrible ;-)
VardaValar1: Sauron has been gaming in Star Wars the Old Republic, on The Ebon Hawk server.
VardaValar1: Bilbo has been gaming in EverQuest 2.
VardaValar1: Any others?

VardaValar1: WoW:
VardaValar1: Ioreth is still in WoW, leaving a note for us on our forum if you'd like to read it.
ArPharazonV: Anyway, you can pass that advice along if you like. Or he may read the transcript!
VardaValar1: He's good about reading it, no worries. : )
VardaValar1: From the Games Site:
VardaValar1: A preview of Frostfire Ridge has been put up, as well as a blog on the beasts that live there: Beasts of the Savage Land - Frostfire Ridge.
VardaValar1: Blizzard has posted a blog about the level 70 raid The Black Temple.
VardaValar1: Finally, Blizzard has "found" some more footage following the events of the Mists of Pandaria opening cinematic.
VardaValar1: /endquote
VardaValar1: If you've seen the cinematic for the panda breaking up the fight, this is the "sequel".
VardaValar1: If you need a refresher, there's a link to that one at the top.
VardaValar1: It's a fun sequel. Enjoy!
VardaValar1: From Eonwe on his personal WoW gaming:
VardaValar1: got the Jade Primal Direhorn, completing my collection of direhorns dropped by the Zandalari Warbringers.
VardaValar1: /endquote
ArPharazonV: Grats Eonwe :-)
VardaValar1: Any other WoW news?
ArPharazonV: I wish my collecting went as well. I spent over 11 hours this week hunting spineclaw crabs.
ArPharazonV: Got about 10 Monstrous spineclaws killed as a result, but no pet yet.
VardaValar1: In general gaming, most especially used by our LotRO players, the Ventrilo server is back up for our use in any Valar game.
ArPharazonV: But since our raiding has been limited for this week and the next, since a good bunch are having a meetup in England, I'll have a lot more time to spend on it!
VardaValar1: Nice, Phar. : )
VardaValar1: Ventrilo may be picked up at:
ArPharazonV: That's my WoW story for the week; now I have to be afk for a few minutes :-) Continue!
VardaValar1: Right now, three of us are in there. Irmo has gone to sleep.
VardaValar1: Alrighty and thanks for the story!
VardaValar1: For those who would like the Ventrilo information to join in, I can give it to you in a side window now, by email, or in-game.
ArPharazonV: Back.
VardaValar1: We can also modify the set-up as needed. Give Miriel or me an email or talk to us.
VardaValar1: Welcome back.
VardaValar1: The Ventrilo currently supports 25 persons, but that can be increased if we find the need later.
AriehnV: i ve got my mage gear up to 530 ilevel
ArPharazonV: Looking at that link, it might not support Windows 8, since the list of downloads goes up to 7.
ArPharazonV: But it might be similar enough?
VardaValar1: One hopes Windows 8 remembers to back support, since a lot of people will keep Windows 7, especially if they don't have piles of electronics.
AriehnV: got 14 secrets in the epic quest
ArPharazonV: It may be fine. Apparently I have a 64-bit system, and there's a seperate installfile for that.
VardaValar1: Cool then. :-)

VardaValar1: LotRO:
VardaValar1: Update 14 comes out on July 14.
VardaValar1: The bigger update will be much later and will include the Beornings.
karakedi25: at some as yet undetermined point
karakedi25: beta round 4 is up for the weekend, and I'm guessing that with the live update due a week from tomorrow, it will be the last round of beta
VardaValar1: We had a run with Remnant for Alasse's birthday, that went off quite well. It was Barad Guldur, challenges completed.
VardaValar1: (Arien just joined us in Ventrilo.) :-)
karakedi25: Varda joined us on her hunter. We had some wipes, but we got it all done. It's a raid instance that takes 3-4 hours, and it went very smoothly considering there were a number of people who hadn't played together before.
karakedi25: I think everyone had fun.
VardaValar1: It was fun, with good company. We hope to run together again. Other non-Remnant folk came as well.
karakedi25: Remnant is still too small to field 12 players for a raid, so we need to supplement. Valar Guild players are always welcome with Remnant.
VardaValar1: Pharazon joined us just now in Ventrilo. :-)
ArPharazonV: Allright, made it into Vent room, but I've no microphone, so I'll just have to type here.
ArPharazonV: I can hear though.
VardaValar1: One thing about voice, we can't make a written transcript!
ArPharazonV: Well I'm not gonna spend much time in Ventrilo anyway. I tend to never hear clearly what people say.
ArPharazonV: but now that I have the server info set up I can join whenever I want, so I'll leave Vent again and rely on this place :0
ArPharazonV: * :-)
VardaValar1: and we have Indis!

VardaValar1: Tolkien:
VardaValar1: We've already had a bit of a linguistics chat. : )
AriehnV has left the room.
VardaValar1: There's some quieston about how Beornings can be included in a game.
ArPharazonV: They bearly fit!
ArPharazonV: *ba-dum-tsh*
VardaValar1: /groan :-)
karakedi25: it's taking a bit of lore-stretching
VardaValar1: Because Beornings are naturally located near Mirkwood, on the west side, the new Beorning characters will probably be starting at level 50.
VardaValar1: (Shades of Death-knights. ba-du-tish)
VardaValar1: *m
ArPharazonV: A bit like hero classes- yes, those.
VardaValar1: Mayyyyybe we can stretch it so they show up in other towns, since they appear human much of the time.
ArPharazonV: I play a guardian druid. I'm no stranger to bear puns.
VardaValar1: We paws to hear the puns.
AriehnV has entered the room.
karakedi25: that's a major portion of the stretch
VardaValar1: Hi again Arien. :-)
AriehnV: woops sorry for that hey :-) but shutting the computer down was the only way to close Ventrilo :-\
ArPharazonV: Suddenly, it turns out Butterbur was a Beornling all this time, but never shifted in public.
VardaValar1: The Beornings do exist as a people at the time of the War of the Rings.
VardaValar1: Ah-hah! Explains the furry face.
ArPharazonV: Bearlyman Butterbear.
karakedi25: so dwarves are beornings too?
karakedi25: they have furry faces
VardaValar1: Cubs?
VardaValar1: Short enough. Probably cubs, aye. :-)
VardaValar1: The wild men, the Beornings, were given a chunk of Mirkwood in the center, between Thranduil's elves and Celeborn's. Celeborn's got the southern part, but eventually abandoned it.
VardaValar1: It's not said (that I found) what happened to that abandoned land, but with the way human types increase, it may have been taken over eventually by the wild men.
ArPharazonV: Seems likely.
VardaValar1: With elves on either side of them, and a peaceful time, they may have picked up greater education. That would help them join in with the other Men.
VardaValar1: Still, we can figure that at the time of the War of the Ring, quite a few Men were not all that educated, and probably bearded.
VardaValar1: Given the right clothes, the Beornings, with care, might move among other Men without their knowledge.
VardaValar1: Of course ina fight with the fur flying, they might become known.
ArPharazonV: And thus, the werebear legend was born.
VardaValar1: Could be the time, aye.
karakedi25: I'd expect that the norm was for men to be bearded.
VardaValar1: Aye, Indis. Good cover. :-)
ArPharazonV: They'll bearly be able to believe their eyes.
VardaValar1: So maybe other Men will accept them as they knew them in town, and were saved by them in a fight. Might even try to keep their secret.
ArPharazonV: If the beornings join a police force, they can be called the Fuzz.
ArPharazonV: Allright, I'll stop now.
VardaValar1: aw why? : )
ArPharazonV: Getting too random.
VardaValar1: I think we covered it mostly. Any other comments?
karakedi25: agreed
VardaValar1: *raises gavel*
VardaValar1: *ka-boooom!*

VardaValar1: After-meeting!
VardaValar1: Love a good, solid hammer.
ArPharazonV: I could bearly hear it.
ArPharazonV: But it did give paws to the meeting at least!
VardaValar1: Bearly.
karakedi25: I don't want to take this much fur-ther.
VardaValar1: hehe
VardaValar1: Feel free to take a break. :-)
ArPharazonV: Oh, according to Peter Jackson's bookface, there won't be an official trailer for the next Hobbit movie until October, but he did deliver a teaser trailer which should find its way into the world soon.
AriehnV: *giggles as watches the chat
karakedi25: in fact, fangs for the meeting, but I think I'll log out now.
karakedi25: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Namarie :-)
karakedi25 has left the room.
VardaValar1: Ok, think I'll take a bit of a break. Don't forget to sleep!
VardaValar1: Namarie
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
VardaValar1 has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Don't let the bugbears bite.
AriehnV: that was fun hehe
AriehnV: see you laters or online
AriehnV: :-)
AriehnV has left the room.
ArPharazonV: Namarie Arien!
LizMarr has entered the room.
LizMarr has left the room.
ArPharazonV: saving and sending transcript