Valar Guild

March 25, 2012 Sunday Meeting

5pm EDT (GMT - 5)
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Transcript work by
Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (7)
    AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Glorfindel VG, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, and VardaValar1.

Meeting begins
    RP discussion and posting.
    Continues RP discussion and posting.
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Eonwe Valar: Heya.
ArPharazonV: Aiya
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fladrifv: Aiya
AriehnV: aiya Ent :-)
AriehnV: hows things/
ArPharazonV: Aiya
AriehnV: ?
fladrifv: hail sun
fladrifv: the breeze of spring has reached the remote locations of the forrest
AriehnV: indeed :-D
AriehnV: it was a beautiful day here and not too cold , quite pleasant
AriehnV: unfortunately i had to work all day :-\
fladrifv: ohnoes
ArPharazonV: Well, being the sun and all, that has to be expected
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's begin the meeting.

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Varda and Fangorn are out of town for the weekend.
Eonwe Valar: Any other membership news?
Eonwe Valar: I believe European DST hit today?
AriehnV: not atm no
ArPharazonV: we did, yeah
fladrifv: yes
fladrifv: so were now in sync again
Eonwe Valar: Excellent.

Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: The interactive "Map of Middle-earth" by Daniel Reeve is now on our Links and on our Maps page.

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: Mists of Pandaria beta started this week.
Eonwe Valar: There's no NDA this time round, so people who get in can talk about it.
Eonwe Valar: Lothar:
Eonwe Valar: Sunday:
Eonwe Valar: Last Sunday, Glorfindel, Eonwe, and Varda 3-manned the first three bosses of Icecrown Citadel.
Eonwe Valar: Then Sauron joined us for Deathbringer Saurfang, and afterward we called it a night.
Eonwe Valar: Friday: Unfortunately I came in late on Friday, so I have no report for this day.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: Monday:
Eonwe Valar: Late start because Varda's clock was off. So it was 8:30pm Eastern that we ran Limlight Gorges quests to help Golim's minstrel Aeronwy be able to reach the 6-man quest. Heroes: Gildor (captain Livinola), Gorlim (minstrel Aeronwy), Nimrodel (hunter Ardisian), Pippin (champion Avengelina), and Varda (Tinwetari).
Eonwe Valar: Wednesday:
Eonwe Valar: Roots of Fangorn, completed all but the last boss. Nice guide. We agree with the recommendation of a captain off-healer rather than a second minstrel, but had none available in kin at the time; otherwise the group make-up was good. Gildor (guardian Marrella), Gorlim (minstrel Aeronwy), Indis (lore-master Mereniel), Nimrodel (hunter Ardisian), Pippin (champion Avengelina), and Varda (minstrel Tinwetari).
Eonwe Valar: Saturday:
Eonwe Valar: Seems I don't have a report, but it's quite likely *something* was run, hehe.

Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news? Good time to whisper me Tolkien topics.
ArPharazonV: Well, stage 1 of my quest for the Legendary Firelands staff in WoW is complete :-)
ArPharazonV: Had some trouble with a difficult boss I had to solo as ranged, which I'm not used to; but after some gear upgrades, the employment of spell resistance elixirs and enchants, and lots of lots of practice, I brought him down on Thursday.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats.
ArPharazonV: Next part was doing some silly stuff at the first 4 bosses in the Firelands raid, like picking up items and putting them in the middle of dangerous places to charge them up, and then a unique extra boss there. Was quite fun to do :-)
ArPharazonV: Now there's nothing left but collecting items from bosses for a few months, and then I'll have the legendary. Hard part is over, now the patience-requiring part begins, which to some people might be even harder :-)
Eonwe Valar: hehe.
ArPharazonV: And played some flashgames of course, but nothing special.
ArPharazonV: Report done :-)
Eonwe Valar: An other gaming news?

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Anything anyone wants to say about the RP?
ArPharazonV: I'm actually tracking the progress on a fighting game that will be free out of copyright necessity, but I'll report more on that when it's finished.
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karakedi25: Aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya
karakedi25: Had trouble getting AIM up
Eonwe Valar: Heya Indis.
Eonwe Valar: We're in Tolkien.
Eonwe Valar: Was just asking if anyone had anything to say on the RP.
Eonwe Valar: Otherwise, if no one has any Tolkien topics, I thought I'd let everyone escape early today.
karakedi25: Nothing at the moment, though I'd like to have a chance for Meren to visit the library and other places of interest. I'm waiting for the meeting with Legolas first, though.
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VardaValar1: Aiya. We're home. :-)
Eonwe Valar: Heya Varda :}
ArPharazonV: Aiya
Eonwe Valar: You made it for Tolkien :}
karakedi25: wb
VardaValar1: Yay!
Eonwe Valar: I was just asking if anyone had anything to say about the RP, and if not, since no one seems to have a Tolkien Topic, I thought I'd let everyone escape early.
VardaValar1: One brag for the WoW Uldaman server: We bought our new bank tab before Fangorn and I left for the weekend.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
ArPharazonV: grats!
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VardaValar1: Glad to have caught you before you broke up for the evening.
AriehnV: welcome back
VardaValar1: Aiya Glorfindel :-)
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ArPharazonV: Well, if you have a topic, Varda, go for it :-)
VardaValar1: If y'all were breaking up, I'll let it be. : )
Eonwe Valar: Only if we didn't have a Tolkien topic or anything to say about the RP :}
Eonwe Valar: Which it seems we have neither, and I have to go afk for a moment, so...
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs Gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting, feel free to chat about anything, including the RP and Tolkien :}
VardaValar1: :-)
karakedi25: I said something just before you came in Varda, to the effect that after the meeting with Legolas, Meren intends to do a bit of exploration and research in Rivendell. Just waiting for the meeting before she goes ahead.
VardaValar1: Elwing is our first level 85 on WoW Horde side of Uldaman server.
VardaValar1: ok
VardaValar1: So are we waiting on my post now?
karakedi25: I guess I am.
VardaValar1: ok
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AriehnV: woops sorry for that closed the wrong window again
AriehnV: what did i miss?
ArPharazonV: Gavel banged, waiting for Varda to make a post, I think
VardaValar1: typing on it now
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VardaValar1: The carrier of the sword, was it an orc or goblin?
karakedi25: orc
VardaValar1: Thank you. :-)
AriehnV: goblins seem to me a sort of degenerated orcs? or just a breed for minor , "dirtier" tasks and not as intelligent?
ArPharazonV: The basic template, perhaps, augmented to make orcs?
VardaValar1: Posted
VardaValar1: Goblins are a small type of orc.
Eonwe Valar: Back.
VardaValar1: We have quite a bit on orcs in our Encyclopedia. This article might be handy:
VardaValar1: Welcome back, Eonwe. : )
Eonwe Valar: "It's a zerglin' Lester, smaller type of Zerg." Hehe.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
VardaValar1: hehehe
VardaValar1: We have a couple of articles on origins of orcs as well.
Eonwe Valar: Congrats to Elwing being our first 85 on Uldaman :}
VardaValar1: yay :-)
VardaValar1: Hit the link and you can back up from there to more about orcs.
ArPharazonV: Congrats Elwing!
VardaValar1: Looks like I need to fix an image link, doing that now.
karakedi25: sssssssssssrdwd
VardaValar1: hot tea? : )
ArPharazonV: Or trying to back up and turn in a game :-)
VardaValar1: Aye, but we already knew that. ^^
VardaValar1: Phar, you might want to check out that post if you haven't already.
AriehnV: congrats :-)
ArPharazonV: The orc one?
VardaValar1: rp post
ArPharazonV: Oh, your forum post, missed you saying it was done. Will check.
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VardaValar1: Image link repaired
AriehnV: Frali would have gone off to see Gimli and Gloin then
AriehnV: or is he with them?
ArPharazonV: Currently glossing over some old posts about our encounter with Calaron to use in my new post.
VardaValar1: Aye, so you can run a separate line of posting.
VardaValar1: Good plan, Phar.
VardaValar1: When we were talking before, Frali seemed inclined to go meet Gloin and Gimli and we followed him partway to that meeting, since it was where our rooms were for freshening up.
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karakedi25: appears to be that Phar is next to post.
VardaValar1: Aye
VardaValar1: He's working on it right now.
VardaValar1: You'll be the one handling the part about the strange runes on the scimitar.
VardaValar1: I assume a request to research the runes.
karakedi25: of couse
karakedi25: +r
ArPharazonV: Hmm. If I have to give a report/speech of several paragraphs, do I put " at the beginning and end of each paragraph, or not?
Eonwe Valar: Only if you have text that isn't within the report that ends the previous paragraph.
ArPharazonV: And should I give our history with Calaron in rather more detail, or quickly go over why he seems possessed?
ArPharazonV: A bit worried about overdoing it in a way that does not fit the situation.
ArPharazonV: What about the technique of starting each paragraph with " but leaving the ending alone until the speech is done?
VardaValar1: Mainly just answer Legolas' question, as it related to the security of Mirkwood.
ArPharazonV: Allright, will try.
VardaValar1: Not an easy post. Might break it into several. First the report, then he may ask you if you noticed more on a personal level as his brother?
VardaValar1: Would that help?
ArPharazonV: I'll think about that. But the answer to his question does include a behavioral change.
VardaValar1: okie dokie. Sounds as if you have it covered.
ArPharazonV: Did we capitalize Spiders?
VardaValar1: The mention of the ring is important
ArPharazonV: Yes, getting to that :-)
VardaValar1: We haven't been, I don't think. Same as we haven't been capitalizing elves, orcs, humans. There are cases when we should, but we just haven't.
ArPharazonV: Decapitalizing Orcs as well, then.
VardaValar1: hehehe. Decapitating them is more normal for our little band.
VardaValar1: Actually it would be correct to capitalize, most likely.
VardaValar1: Indis, would you have a comment on capitalization?
karakedi25: my preference is for not capping
VardaValar1: Thanks. JRRT has a system for it, but it's not simply whenever it's used as a race name, apparently.
karakedi25: JRRT is rather Germanic in his usage--lots of capitals were we might not use them
ArPharazonV: Whether it's correct or not, it would probably be best to stay consistent, in any case.
VardaValar1: The Germanic I've seen is much more capital-heavy.
karakedi25: Yes, German capitalizes all nouns.
VardaValar1: He had actual reasons for when he captilized race names, but I agree that for consistency we should keep it no caps.
ArPharazonV: how about "the West"?
karakedi25: that's more of a proper noun as
karakedi25: Tolkien uses it
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VardaValar1: Aye, the West means Valinor to distinguish from the cardinal direction.
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karakedi25: or the western (free) part of ME
Eonwe Valar: And now I've been disconnected.
VardaValar1: Also a place rather than race.
Eonwe Valar: What did I miss?
ArPharazonV: Do Elves normally wear rings? Non-power ones, I mean? Do Mirkwood elves? I assume a scout wouldn't keep such jewelry on him, as he would be out most of the time.
karakedi25: grammar
VardaValar1: Where did it break off for you, Eonwe?
Eonwe Valar: Married/betrothed Eldar would wear rings. Silver for the latter, gold for the former.
ArPharazonV: karakedi25: Tolkien uses itEonwe Valar has left the room.VardaValar1: Aye, the West means Valinor to distinguish from the cardinal direction.Eonwe Valar has left the room.Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Eonwe Valar (5:40:33 PM): I've been capitalizing Noldo.
Eonwe Valar: Is the last thing I saw before disconnecting.
VardaValar1: Most of the Mirkwood elves have a more rustic life, more involved in self and group defense, so jewelry could be in the way. But some surely wear it.
VardaValar1: Aye, me too, Eonwe
ArPharazonV: Thanks, will use that.
ArPharazonV: What about "the West" as in more of a direction, the western part of a country or forest?
VardaValar1: I'd expect Calaron and Calion probably wear jewelry, at least some.
karakedi25: elven race names are capitalized consistently
VardaValar1: that would be west.
Eonwe Valar: The West, in reference to Aman, western or westward in reference to direction.
VardaValar1: "The West" refers to Valinor
ArPharazonV: Allright.
VardaValar1: What Eonwe said :-)
Eonwe Valar: Just like the East in reference to Mordor, the North in reference to Utumno/Angband/perhaps Angmar when it was a power.
AriehnV: Decapitating orcs .. thats my kind of sphere :-) not decapitalizing hehe
Eonwe Valar: Capitalizing on the opportunity to decapitate? :}
VardaValar1: hehe
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ArPharazonV: Posted.
ArPharazonV: Turned into a nice recap ;-)
ArPharazonV: Also used the " technique I mentioned earlier that I have taken from the LotR. The older paragraph in the speech of the same person starting with, but ending without, and the next paragraph starting with.
VardaValar1: Thank you for the post, Phar. Reading it now
karakedi25: Verysuccinct and clear
VardaValar1: Well done.
VardaValar1: I posted. The ball is now in Meren's court. : )
ArPharazonV: :-)
ArPharazonV: I just noticed I capitalized Forest. So much for consistency.
VardaValar1: It's home. :-)
VardaValar1: Home to most of those listening to you, not just any forest. If you would rather, it could be replaced with the name.
ArPharazonV: No, it was actually more supposed to just mean "among the trees"
VardaValar1: Just trying to think what Mirkwoodites would call the place, since Mirkwood is not actually complimentary.
VardaValar1: ah, then no cap.
ArPharazonV: but I guess that covers pretty much all of Mirkwood, so it's a bit vague.
ArPharazonV: We met him in the Forest. Meh.
AriehnV: whats the elvish name? Taur na Fuin or something like that?
AriehnV: just reminds me a bit of my rp mage in WoW when she speaks of Dire Maule she uses the Elvish name since she can relate to it and probably she wants to show off some leanedness .. but thinking , maybe locals would call it by the name in their own tounge?
AriehnV: Rivendell is usually referred to as Imladris .. so maybe?
ArPharazonV: Well to be fair we would be talking to Legolas in Elvish, not Westron or English. The question is, how far does the translation go?
ArPharazonV: Especially if Frali's not currently with us.
Eonwe Valar: Glorfindel, were you interested in another jaunt into ICC?
VardaValar1: Just it seems like Mirkwood is a name not used in a complimentary fashion. But we could use it just for clarity for readers, or they could just learn what Mirkwoodites would actually say. But isn't that just elvish for the same thing?
VardaValar1: I need to do some looking up, it seems.
VardaValar1: Uneddicated person here.
ArPharazonV: I'll just say the Forest for now ;-)
VardaValar1: A quick look up shows
VardaValar1: of course Mirkwood after the darkness
VardaValar1: Sindarin is a jawbreaker:
Eonwe Valar: I guess Glorfindel is busy :}
VardaValar1: Taur e-Ndaedelos. Also called the Wood and the Great Wood.
VardaValar1: Or we can stick with Mirkwood since that's what we've been saying
VardaValar1: Any comments?
Eonwe Valar: Besides that it's a good question? :}
ArPharazonV: I think I might let my line stand for now. Might refer to Mirkwood, might refer to just being in the trees.
ArPharazonV: For one Mirkwood elf to another, I'd think that "the forest", by default, is assumed to mean Mirkwood.
Eonwe Valar: Silvans *might* refer to it as Mirkwood when talking to other peoples who may not recognize any other name.
Eonwe Valar: *For Silvans, read "the people of Mirkwood"
ArPharazonV: We stand here with 4 mirkwood elves. Legolas, Fainan, Meren, Calion. I'd think it's clear enough :-)
VardaValar1: Thanks Eonwe. : )
Eonwe Valar: The folk of Dale, for example, for whom a name like "Greenwood" is in the distant past.
karakedi25: how about 'our forest' when that clarifies ambiguities?
VardaValar1: Indis, good thought.
ArPharazonV: Hmm, that works, yes.
VardaValar1: Other than the house of Thranduil, they are all Silvans in Mirkwood.
VardaValar1: Avari are an interesting question, as it seems like those who didn't make it out of Arda and those who refused to leave would have wound up in the same place and possibly intermarried.
VardaValar1: Has anyone seen Menelvagor?
Eonwe Valar: According to the Sil, the Silvans of Mirkwood and Lothlorien *should* be Eldar.
Eonwe Valar: I *think* Menel popped in very briefly in/after a meeting a few weeks ago, but don't quote me on that.
ArPharazonV: Eldar as in, those who started on the journey but didn't quite make it?
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: Eldar is opposed to Avari.
karakedi25: Eldar are any who started the journey. Avari are tose who didn't start it.
Eonwe Valar: LotR doesn't seem to recognize them as Eldar, though based on where they live they should be descended or have descent from the Nandor of the First Age.
VardaValar1: If the Avari intermarried, as is likely, that distinction could blur or disappear. But there could be pockets of Avari.
VardaValar1: intermarried with Silvans, I mean.
AriehnV: welled then i ll merge with some soft blankets for now ^^
ArPharazonV: Namarie, Arien :-)
VardaValar1: Sounds lovely, Sunshine. :-)
VardaValar1: Namarie!
VardaValar1: Frali can post at anytime during the week.
Eonwe Valar: Sleep well Arien :}
karakedi25: I'lll write a response soon
VardaValar1: okie dokie :-)
VardaValar1: Don't get killed doing it, Indis!
AriehnV: Namarie i ll post after you are done your thread if i post inbetween now it would disturb the flow in reading and your creating
karakedi25: I won't :-)
AriehnV: Namarie for now :-)
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Eonwe Valar: Pockets of Avari: I would assume that the entire body of Avari wouldn't necessarily have moved westward once the First Age was over. Still (theoretically) plenty of land to the East that may or may not be under Sauron's rule, and likely some forests to hide in.
ArPharazonV: I wonder if they ever had contact with the Blue Wizards.
VardaValar1: If the Avari had pockets hidden around the Easterlings, maybe so?
Eonwe Valar: Mirkwood managed to survive with Dol'Guldor next door, so a few Men probably wouldn't be that hard to evade, or fight in small numbers if they're on your home turf.
VardaValar1: They might have tried to move away from human areas, especially with that Morgoth influence on the humans. But they seem to have had contact, teaching some humans. Unless those were Silvans doing it.
VardaValar1: Humans have this habit of settling an area, cutting down the woods, and farming. But maybe so.
Eonwe Valar: Says the Avari were the ones who made contact, so *shouldn't* be silvans.
VardaValar1: Good, that's how I remember it.
VardaValar1: So the Avari may have knowledge of Morgoth from contact with humans and be wary?
ArPharazonV: If the Easterlings lived under Sauron's shadow, whether they were loyal to him or not, they might still have some hostility to nearby Elves. I remember a similar situation in the story of Tal-Elmar (I think it was) during the second Age in Eriador.
Eonwe Valar: Also, remember where the Laiquendi decided to make Men their "unfriends" in the First Age. Not openly hostile or open war as I recall off the top of my head, but any human who encroached on Laiquendi lands was shown a not-so-friendly welcome.
VardaValar1: No trespassing, eh? : )
karakedi25: writing my post now
karakedi25: posted
karakedi25: and I didn't die while doing it, either :-P
Eonwe Valar: Did a quick peek into the Sil. Here's the part I was referring to in "Of the COming of Men into the West"
karakedi25: modified my post slightly to make it follow Fainan's better.
Eonwe Valar: "Now the Green-elves of Ossiriand were troubled by the coming of Men, and when they heard that a lord of the Eldar from over the Sea was among them they sent messengers to Felagund.
Eonwe Valar: 'Lord,' they said, ' if you have power over these newcomers, bid them return by the ways that they came, or else to go forward. For we desire no strangers in this land to break the peace in which we live. And these folk are hewers of trees and hunters of beasts; therefore we are their unfriends, and if they will not depart we shall afflict them in all ways that we can.'"
VardaValar1: Thanks Indis :-)
ArPharazonV: Yes, Indis, I was wondering at that transition :-)
VardaValar1: Mean ol' tree-choppers. Our house was in that one! heh
ArPharazonV: Hmm, the Green-elves did not like Men, apparently.
VardaValar1: *sneaks off for sandwich slayage*
Eonwe Valar: Because the hunted and chopped down trees, aye.
Eonwe Valar: *they hunted
Eonwe Valar: Their attitude was apparently "do that anywhere you want but in our land," hehe.
ArPharazonV: "See those wooden platforms up there? Yes? These trees are our homes, you know, so keep those axes away from us!"
Eonwe Valar: The Haladin were the first to meet the results of the Green-elves' unfriendship.
Eonwe Valar: Kinda funny when you put it that way, Phar, but they may not have used flets :}
Eonwe Valar: Or maybe they wove branches together and lived in nests, hehehe.
ArPharazonV: I doubt they'd cut them open and live on the hollow insides, anyway. Seems unfriendly to the trees.
Eonwe Valar: Sounds like a good reason for someone to research the Green-elves and write us an article for the Encyclopedia :}
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: I would assume the Edain weren't just chopping down trees and leaving them to rot, so that eliminates the idea that they were mad rather at the wonton killing of trees than cutting them down for use in building.
karakedi25: afk to get some dinner
Eonwe Valar: Er, than should be wanton, not wonton.
Eonwe Valar: Although now I'm wishing I had some wontons, hehe.
karakedi25: back
VardaValar1: Welcome back. :-)
VardaValar1: Posted
VardaValar1: Nice meaty posts from everyone today! Really nice. :-)
karakedi25: Yay! thanks for getting Meren an introduction to Elrond :-)
ArPharazonV: Ah, an even more powerful npc in our future ;-)
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ArPharazonV: Saving and sending transcript.
ArPharazon-V: saved
VardaValar1: Posted.
VardaValar1: We're meeting Elrond now. ; )
VardaValar1: Thanks, Phar. : )
ArPharazon-V: Well, you can put that in your version of the transcript :)
VardaValar1: Alrighty. :-)
EonweValar: I forget. Ws I going to be standing in for Elrond?
ArPharazon-V: sent
ArPharazon-V: That "Oh, it's you" makes me smile. Like Legolas' constant presence is annoying him.
VardaValar1: hehehe
VardaValar1: Young elf :-)
VardaValar1: Could be. Now we know why he was sent on the journey!
EonweValar: Just read new post. I guess not. :} No worries, hehe. I'd have to think up dialogue for him were I to be doing his dialogue.
VardaValar1: oh you'd do a great job!
VardaValar1: I'd be happy to let you handle it, by the way.
ArPharazon-V: "Oh. It's you again. Who did you drag with you this time?"
VardaValar1: It was just a bit of fun to have Fainan thinking about him like that and then have that kind of meeting. : )
ArPharazon-V: "I told you not to bring strangers in my house."
VardaValar1: He does have catlike movement... ;-)
VardaValar1: Eonwe, I'd be very happy to let you take over Elrond at this point.
VardaValar1: I'm already talking for three characters, heh.
EonweValar: No wound to my pride to let you do it :} Better to keep the presentation of NPCs consistent, in my opinion.
ArPharazon-V: Well, I'll let you continue on and read the conclusion in the transcript.
VardaValar1: okie dokie
VardaValar1: We'll politely keep passing the dialogue duty to each other for an hour or two.
EonweValar: And since you've begun writing for Elrond, it's you own fault :}
EonweValar: (I say that kiddingly, of course :})
ArPharazon-V: Just don't end up having a meeting between 8 npcs all voiced by you, Varda :)
VardaValar1: I didn't remember your offering, sorry. I'd be happy to let you take over at this point.
VardaValar1: Could happen, Phar!
ArPharazon-V: Namarie!
EonweValar: Sleep well, Phar :}
ArPharazon-V: Thanks
VardaValar1: He should be getting into his change of voice to more serious and weighty now, so it's just right for a hand-off.
VardaValar1: Nighty night or good morning. :-)
ArPharazon-V: Still night. I think. But no time to waste to get to sleep!
ArPharazon-V: bye
VardaValar1: Sleep fast!
ArPharazon-V: Will do!
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EonweValar: I thought it came up at one point, but I probably took it for granted I'd represent Elrond based on previous precedent. Given the current introduction, I would have to give his dialogue thought though. As I said though, It's no wound to my pride to let you do it :}
VardaValar1: Nor mine to let you. It's actually a good spot for a hand-off.
VardaValar1: It probably came up at some point. I was moving things along rapidly and didn't remember the offer.
EonweValar: I can't guarantee fast-paced posting of Elrond's responses.
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VardaValar1: You have all week. :-)   And look at the non-speed we've been doing lately. No worries there.