Valar Guild

January 29, 2012 Sunday Meeting

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Ar-Pharazon and Varda.

Attending: (8)
       AriehnV, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), fladrifv, Glorfindel VG, GwaihirValar, Indis-(V)/karakedi25, and Menelvagor Valar

Meeting begins
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    Topic by Eonwe: First, name all the attendees possible of the Council of Elrond. Once that is done, why each was so special as to have a seat in that discussion.
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karakedi25: aiya
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
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GwaihirValar: hello
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
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ArPharazonV: Aiya, all folks who just came in
karakedi25: ditto
Eonwe Valar: We'll begin the meeting momentarily.
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's begin.

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Varda and Fangorn are out of town visiting family.
Eonwe Valar: Any other member news?

Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: Finfarin found an article on another web site and thought we might be interested, so he sent it to Varda: "Explaining Imaginary Worlds: Why 'Lord of the Rings' is so Addictive"

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Sunday Run:
Eonwe Valar: Attending: Members: Eonwe, Varda, Fangorn, Glorfindel, Elwing, Bilbo
Eonwe Valar: Guild Friends: Kaz
Eonwe Valar: We finished off Black Temple, then cleared Sunwell Plateau.
Eonwe Valar: Varda, Fangorn, and Bilbo called it anight there. The other four of us went to Serpentshrine Cavern real quick to get one of us the Achievement "The Lurker Below."
Eonwe Valar: Friday Run:
Eonwe Valar: Attending: Eonwė, Eowyn, Fangorn, Elwing, Glorfindel
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: Aiya all :-)
AriehnV: anyone here at all?
Eonwe Valar: Eowyn and Fangorn ran some heroics before I got there. Unfortunately I don't know which ones. When all five of us had come in, we ran a random heoric and ended up in Vortex Pinnacle.
Eonwe Valar: *heroic
ArPharazonV: Aiya Arien
Eonwe Valar: We only got one in though because some of us had to call it a night early.
Eonwe Valar: Tonight our goal is to clear out Serpentshrine Cavern if we have enough.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
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Eonwe Valar: Monday Run:
Eonwe Valar: I don't suppose anyone has the reports on Monday? The news only says Tomb of Elendil and Ammath Gul were possibilities.
AriehnV: aiya Glorfindel
karakedi25: They were not run.
Glorfindel VG: Aiya
AriehnV: they were gathering at the time , i was in but i dont there were sufficient people on
karakedi25: We were unable to get six people together both Monday and Wednesday, so people ran in groups of two or three.
Eonwe Valar: Good thing there's 2-and-3 man dungeons "|
Eonwe Valar: *:}
karakedi25: Various people are running raids and instances in pick-up groups or with other kins. On the other hand...
karakedi25: The Saturday skirmish raid run (3 raids) were a big success, though no worn symbol of Celebrimbor droppped.
karakedi25: We have become quite expert at those raids, including one 12-person raid (Attack at Dawn) that we did with only 8.
karakedi25: We were also able to do all the raids with only kin members.
karakedi25: Thanks to Miriel and Irmo for their leadership.
AriehnV: they should introduce that in wow
Eonwe Valar: Introduce what? 2-and-3 person dungeons?
AriehnV: two and three man instances aye
ArPharazonV: there's arena ;-)
karakedi25: Not too much else to say. Some of us are attempting to do more of Isengard, but those instances are very difficult.
Eonwe Valar: According to the News, 3 got together Wednesday night and did Isengard dailies, while two worked on Dunland quests.
AriehnV: i think Galdor it was who helped me with a couple of Forochel quests and one of the newer members on Friday i think , i forgot who it was , a level 55 burglar
karakedi25: I've been to the final raid in Orthanc, against Saruman himself, and he's quite appropriately hard. I haven't been in a group that has beaten him yet (and of course we don't kill him in any case).
AriehnV: yo and Mirel made level 50 armor for her although a few bars still miss to that ^^
AriehnV: else she got to kindred standing with the lossoth of Forochel and became Heroine of the Lost
AriehnV: thats it from me :-)
Eonwe Valar: Congrats :}
Eonwe Valar: There's also one very big piece of LotRO news that demands to be mentioned before we move on.
karakedi25: the upcoming expansion?
Eonwe Valar: The next expansion, Riders of Rohan, has been announced and is supposed to be out in the Fall of this year.
Eonwe Valar: For more info (such as it is at announcement)L e-unveil-the-lord-of-the-rings-online-riders-of-rohan?lang=en_US
karakedi25: Yes, many new goodies in it...mounted combat, skirmish soldiers available on landscape, and (somewhat to my dismay) ten more levels.
ArPharazonV: Mounted combat. Grr. Want that for WoW.
karakedi25: It will cover much of Eastern Rohan, but not Helms Deep or Dunharrow.
ArPharazonV: Though I suppose jousting counted.
ArPharazonV: They're saving those for a White Mountains expansion?
Eonwe Valar: Don't think we know yet.
Eonwe Valar: Just that they're not going to be there at launch of RoR.
karakedi25: that's right. probably a later expansion
karakedi25: Mounted combat will be limited to only certain areas (in E. Rohan).
ArPharazonV: Aha.
karakedi25: It will probably be in a kind of beta state for a while.
karakedi25: I'm guessing that after that, they'll expand it beyond that limited area. (Think Battle of Pelennor Fields)
Eonwe Valar: Any other Gaming News before we move on to Tolkien?
Eonwe Valar: Anyone play anything besides WoW and LotRO this week?
karakedi25: In the meantime, the so-called update 6 should be coming out in the spring, which will get us to the entry to E. Rohan, an area called Great River (for the Anduin), which will probably go southwards.

GwaihirValar: Aside from the fact that we FINALLY have new games coming out next week for the first week in almost 2 months... ;-)
GwaihirValar: Man this Christmas lull always kills me.
ArPharazonV: Well, more flashgames for me. I'll give you one :-)
Eonwe Valar: Pharazon's Flash Games Corner, hehe.
GwaihirValar: haha
AriehnV: I ve played Rift a bit altho not that much this week, to be honest i was mostly in LotrO since my holidays left me a bit more time for that
GwaihirValar: Been playing League of Legends in my spare time mostly... but Final Fantasy XIII-2 cannot come soon enough for me...
ArPharazonV: There's been a third installment of the "This Is The Only Level" series, one of my favorite types of games. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that series, or the Achievement Unlocked series, but both series are about you controlling a tiny blue elephant in a simple 2d platformer.
ArPharazonV: This particular series has you going through the same level about 30 times, each time with a particular twist, and several unlockable modes as well.
ArPharazonV: so here's the third installment, one which I only found yesterday, though apparently there's already been over a million plays, so it's probably not *that* recent. Though I'd swear there were only 2 installments last time I checked.
ArPharazonV: As Tolkien fans, I'm sure you'll especially appreciate the sixth level ;-)
ArPharazonV: Have fun playing!
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Phar :}
Eonwe Valar: Any other Gaming news? Take this chance to whisper me Tolkien Topics as well.
Eonwe Valar: OK, guess everyone got their Gaming news in already :}

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: Everyone still here say Valinor.
ArPharazonV: Aman.
ArPharazonV: Oh oh, he's so funny *cough*
ArPharazonV: Valinor.
Eonwe Valar: So we know Phar isn't here :}
karakedi25: I'm still here

Eonwe Valar: A note about the RP: I haven't had the time to kick off the first chapter of the new arc yet (been working on alot of stuff), but I will be doing my best to make the time this week.
Eonwe Valar: So, be thinking about your characters, their past, their motivations, what they'll do for their brief time in Rivendell, what they'll do along the journey, etc.
Eonwe Valar: Did we want to discuss anything about the RP?
AriehnV: Not that i know of
ArPharazonV: Can't think of anything.
AriehnV: i hope i get round to a post about what Frali is doing in Rivendell up sometime soon , since i saw the fellowship off in Lotro i guess i better think about that but it will be only one post covering that
AriehnV: i think anyway Frali will see his kin , i. e. Gloin and Gimli
AriehnV: maybe they can put his head straight about low self perception as well ^^
AriehnV: a bit anyway
Eonwe Valar: :}
ArPharazonV: Maybe they'll advise you to start a kill-contest with one of the Elves.
Eonwe Valar: hehe
Eonwe Valar: If there's nothing else on the RP, then I pose this topic:

Eonwe Valar: First, name all the attendees possible of the Council of Elrond. Once that is done, why each was so special as to have a seat in that discussion.
karakedi25: The uninvited as well as the invited, of course :-)
Eonwe Valar: *Hehe, aye. Every person at the Council :}
ArPharazonV: Allright, let's start with Elrond himself. Obviously there, since it's his home and he's running the council.
Eonwe Valar: Next to him, we have Gandalf.
ArPharazonV: Do we start with all the names, or add the "why" as we go?
Eonwe Valar: Names first, so we know who was there. Then we'll discuss the why.
ArPharazonV: Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Aragorn, Boromir, Gimli, Gloin, Legolas
ArPharazonV: Glorfindel
Eonwe Valar: Glorfindel, Galdor.
Glorfindel VG: Erestor, Galdor
AriehnV: Erestor, Lindir
karakedi25: Pippin and Merry
AriehnV: Sam
AriehnV: Boromir
ArPharazonV: Were Pippin and Merry present, in the book?
Eonwe Valar: no
ArPharazonV: Who is Lindir?
AriehnV: ah no sorry forgive he was not present , he was in the Hall of fire with Bilbo
Eonwe Valar: I think we may already have everyone who was there.
AriehnV: he was the one who commented about the sense of guessing which line was from Aragorn and which was from Bilbo
ArPharazonV: Aha.
Eonwe Valar: Elrond, Gandalf, Glorfindel, Erestor, Galdor, Gimli, Gloin, Legolas, Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Aragorn, Boromir.
Eonwe Valar: Assuming we have everyone, and it looks like we do, that makes 13, so Sam was the Unlucky Number :}
AriehnV: "several other counsillors of Elrond of whom Erestor was the chief"
ArPharazonV: Well, 13 named, anyway.
ArPharazonV: I'm sure Legolas wasn't alone, either.
karakedi25: and all male, of course....
ArPharazonV: Well, probably not.
AriehnV: okay now the why ^^
ArPharazonV: Well, we've got 4 Ringbearers, for a start.
Eonwe Valar: Elrond was hosting the event.
ArPharazonV: Gandalf was also part of the White Council, and one of the most revered wise men at the time. He was also closely involved with the current Ringbearer.
AriehnV: Frodo, Bilbo, Elrond and Gandalf although that was hidden at the time save to a few
Glorfindel VG: Boromir to solve the riddle of his dream
Eonwe Valar: He was also one of the oldest Elves still in Middle-Earth, and apparently had the greatest collection of knowledge and lore still in Middle-Earth.
Eonwe Valar: He = Elrond.
ArPharazonV: Legolas to bring tidings of Mirkwood, including Gollum's escape.
Glorfindel VG: Gloin to bring tidings of the Dwarves and Balin
ArPharazonV: Also a Sindarin prince.
karakedi25: Erestor as Elrond's primary counselor
AriehnV: Gimli and Gloin to seek counsel and bring information of the riders "offer" to the dwarves
karakedi25: Gandalf as both a major member of the White Council and as bringer of major news
karakedi25: Frodo as ringbearer
Glorfindel VG: Sam because he couldn't leave master's side
AriehnV: "Lathspell - ill news i call thee"
AriehnV: oops :0
karakedi25: right, Grima ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Wormtongue wasn't at this council :}
ArPharazonV: Gandalf Stormcrow :-)
karakedi25: nor was Denethor
AriehnV: Sam because he couldnt be away from Frodo for a second
AriehnV: even though he was not supposed to be there
AriehnV: maybe because he was curious as well :-)
Eonwe Valar: Glorfindel seems to have been Elrond's second in command and captain of the military might of Rivendell, such as it was, at least if the fact he lead a contingent of Rivendell's forces to retake Fornost, and that he was at the Council is any indication.
Glorfindel VG: Having found the ring and being Frodo's uncle, it concerned bilbo
ArPharazonV: What about Galdor?
AriehnV: interesting i didnt know that about Glorfindel .. and that he led a force to retake Fornost
Eonwe Valar: It's mentioned in the Appendices.
ArPharazonV: High in the hierarchy of Rivendell, bringing news from the west?
Glorfindel VG: Galdor was a councillor to Elrond
karakedi25: as I remember, his primary councilor
Eonwe Valar: Galdor was from the Havens.
ArPharazonV: Pretty sure that was Erestor. Wasn't Galdor with Cirdan?
AriehnV: "an elf from the Grey Havens on an errand from Cirdan the Shipwright"
Eonwe Valar: He came from Cirdan on an unspecified errand.
AriehnV: (using my 50 th anniversary one volume edition for the Half quotes btw, chapter obviously "The Council of Elrond"
AriehnV: )
Eonwe Valar: Did we get everyone?
AriehnV: yep
ArPharazonV: Aragorn? :-)
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AriehnV: oh we forgot him darn ^^]
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Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Seems I've been disconnected. Did I miss anything?
karakedi25: of course he was only Isildur's Heir ;-)
ArPharazonV: We were about to discuss Aragorn, Eonwe :-)
AriehnV: hehe , in fact i was scrolling back and Phara mentioned him before
AriehnV: but of course his why
AriehnV: according to Elrond "the ring concerns him closely"
ArPharazonV: Well, it's his heirloom, of course.
ArPharazonV: He's also the heir of Arnor and Gondor, chief of the Rangers (who have dealt with the Black Riders in the recent past) and he's been closely involved with the Ringbearer's quest to Rivendell.
ArPharazonV: Adding that Elrond practically raised him as his son, and do we need any more reason for him to be there? :-)
Eonwe Valar: "It does not belong to either of us," according to Aragorn :}
AriehnV: protector , scout , leader and healer .. somewhat of a multitalent ^^
Eonwe Valar: Apparently no one ever told Aragorn he could only play as one class :}
AriehnV: *giggles*
ArPharazonV: Apparently he's quite a bard as well.
karakedi25: Oh he's a Captain, of course!
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, but he seems to have found the ability to fully trait in all trees :}
karakedi25: I wonder if you can buy that in the LotRO store....
karakedi25: :-P
Eonwe Valar: (For non-LotRO players, exchange "trait" for "spec" and you get the same idea :})
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, maybe it's sold only by the Elves of Rivendell, at a Rep level we can't reach :}
AriehnV: *grin*
ArPharazonV: Maybe it's only available to the Numenorean race.
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karakedi25: but then think of the money Turbine wouldn't make!
karakedi25: we need them to make money so we can see more of Middle-earth, you know :-)
Eonwe Valar: Racial trait: Might of Numenor - Allows the bearer to trait fully into all trees :}
AriehnV: alas^^ Tolkien wasnt too concerned about that hehe
Eonwe Valar: OK, back to the topic. I think we're missing Boromir?
karakedi25: wasn't he already mentioned? his mission, his dream?
Eonwe Valar: Aha, he was. Glorfindel mentioned it briefly.
AriehnV: he was mentioned aye but not discussed more intense
karakedi25: from a literary point of view, he was a counterpoint to Aragorn
Eonwe Valar: By going to the Council, he got more than he bargained for, hehe.
karakedi25: Aragorn being the best of Men, and Boromir good but representative of the flaws in Men
AriehnV: however unwilling he accepted Aragorns leadership of the fellowship although i dont know whether he accepted him as potential king until shortly before his death
ArPharazonV: The king and the steward. Or well, their heirs.
karakedi25: broad view and narrow view of events
AriehnV: i wonder how both would have reacted if they had reached Minas Tirith "in tact " as planned
karakedi25: that's where broad and narrow loyalties would have come into play
Eonwe Valar: To paraphease Denethor "It depends on the circumstances of their return."
ArPharazonV: Oh yes, Boromir would have had to choose between his father and his king.
ArPharazonV: And how would Faramir stand in the matter?
karakedi25: torn
AriehnV: torn but in the end loyal to the king i think#
AriehnV: but thats speculation
ArPharazonV: Well, with Boromir there, he probably wouldn't have too much influence on the matter anyway.
AriehnV: Boromir i d have expected on his fathers side , corrupted as he was
AriehnV: but Boromir maybe didnt perceive that "minor" fact
karakedi25: well, he was the 'student of wizards,' and thus likely to end up taking the broad view, at the continuing sacrifice of his father's regard
ArPharazonV: Hmm, I remember from the earlier drafts of the Lord of the Rings, that Boromir was supposed to survive, turn, and join up with Saruman as an antagonist.
Eonwe Valar: Aragorn wouldn't have pressed the point during the War of the Ring, so Denethor and Boromir wouldn't have much to hold against him when it was over.
karakedi25: (afk for a few minutes)
AriehnV: i remember Aragorn even after the battle on the pelennor fields didnt want his identity as future king to be public knowledge
AriehnV: "Announce me just as a Captain of the Ranger from the North" or something such i think was his wording
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Eonwe Valar: After the Battle of the Pelennor, assuming it was still won successfully, it may have been harder to convince Denethor to aid in the march against Mordor, though.
AriehnV: and Gandalf was well aware that the news of the arrival of one who was to claim the throne of Gondor would not be exactly good news for Denethor
AriehnV: maybe because both it would mean a threat for his personal power and of course because of the tie to Mordor
ArPharazonV: There would've been corsairs, too :-)
AriehnV: in form of the Palantir
Eonwe Valar: Well, Aragorn and Boromir could've arrived separately, or together, and the circumstances of the Battle itself ned not be terribly different.
Eonwe Valar: *need not
AriehnV: aye true if Aragorn hadnt come through the paths of the dead he wouldnt have come in time to capture that fell fleet
AriehnV: and maybe he wouldnt have come to Ortanc without the chase after Pippin and Merry which wouldnt have happened without the loss of Boromir ..
ArPharazonV: The Lords of Gondor have returned...
ArPharazonV: Bit of a shame. Would've been nice to see Boromir and Aragorn fighting at Minas Tirith together.
Eonwe Valar: Aye. Boromir would've been an asset during the Siege.
AriehnV: I am convinced if Boromir could have been fully convinced of Aragorns kingship he would have been absolutely loyal
AriehnV: but he wasnt
Eonwe Valar: Boromir didn't like the idea of losing his future Ruling Steward status any more than Denethor did.
ArPharazonV: So when he was dying anyway, no reason not to be loyal to Aragorn?
Eonwe Valar: I think his brush with the Ring humbled him.
Eonwe Valar: If he had had the opportunity to survive that, he may well have had the humility to step aside for Aragorn, since he wouldn't lose his position anyway, and he'd still have the love of his people. Without that, however, Faramir hints at what would've happened.
Eonwe Valar: "They had not yet reached Minas Tirith or become rivals in her wars." - "Window in the West", TT.
Eonwe Valar: And with that, I'll bang the gavel.
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting :}
Eonwe Valar: Next week's topic, so you all have time to read up for it:
AriehnV: what ? "how to craft a gavel"?
Eonwe Valar: Who Could (or Should) have been at the meeting, and why they weren't there.
ArPharazonV: Fredegar and Faramir come to mind, but I'll save that for next week :-)
AriehnV: was just listening to "Lord of the Rings " from Blind Guardian , rather watching it on you tube
AriehnV: great song
karakedi25: back
AriehnV: and of cours "May it be after " :-)
Glorfindel VG: Or contributions and suggestions of the council
AriehnV: its just into aftermeeting Indis
karakedi25: yes, I read up
AriehnV: and Eonwe hinted at next weeks topic which could be interesting
AriehnV: and so .. one year older i fear and greyer and maybe wiser .. but still have to go to bed like a good little sun
AriehnV: early start tomorrow
AriehnV: Namarie and have fun in whatever you do
ArPharazonV: Namarie!
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karakedi25: time to go back to Middle-earth--have a good week all
karakedi25: Namarie
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Menelvagor Valar has entered the room.
Menelvagor Valar: Aiya!
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Menelvagor Valar: Seems the bavel has long since ganged ^^
ArPharazonV: Missed the gavel by about 15 minutes.
Menelvagor Valar: I usually do nowadays :-)
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ArPharazonV: saving and sending transcript