Valar Guild

December 16, 2012 Sunday Meeting

5pm EST (GMT - 5)
AIM: Valar Guild Meetingplace

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Transcript work by
Eonwe and Varda.

Attending: (5)
    Ariehn V, ArPharazonV, Eonwe Valar (presiding), Gilraen-(V)/Iryenth, GwaihirValar

Meeting begins
    The Hobbit movie: comments by Gilraen-(V)
    Games Site section
    Quiz section
    flashgames with links and reviews: CP6, MLP fangame
    Rohirric burial mounds.
    Awakening of Men.
    Hobbit movie: major review by Gwaihir-(Valar)
    Continued on Gwaihir's reviews while members are going through.
    New production video by PJ.
    More on gaming.
You have just entered room "valarguildmeetingplace."
Eonwe Valar has entered the room.
Eonwe Valar: Heya.
ArPharazonV: Aiya!
Iryenth has entered the room.
ArPharazonV: Arien's in WoW as well, so I'm trying to point her towards AIM ;-)
Eonwe Valar: Hehe, ok.
Eonwe Valar: Give me a couple of minutes and we'll begin.
AriehnV has entered the room.
AriehnV: aiya all
ArPharazonV: Aiya :-)
AriehnV: whats the exact website url again? i dont have the link in my favorites in the maxthon browser yet
AriehnV: and thats a lot faster than the exploder
ArPharazonV: for what? the guild?
AriehnV: yup
ArPharazonV:  [Note: the domain name is and for some folk the www version does not work.]
AriehnV: oki do :-)
AriehnV: done
ArPharazonV: Am I missing part of the conversation here?
AriehnV: there is nothing being said ^^
AriehnV: just the sound of silence
ArPharazonV: ah
AriehnV: shall we try and get through the business then? with this number and the lack of news on the site we should be done fast :-)
ArPharazonV: Eonwe's hosting, I think?
AriehnV: is he here?
ArPharazonV: And he needed a few minutes
ArPharazonV: yes, don't you have a list of people?
AriehnV: ah right , yeah i see his name but he seems to be afk
AriehnV: ok then lets give him a few minutes
Eonwe Valar: Back.
ArPharazonV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: Sorry about that. Everyone ready to begin?
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
AriehnV: Aiyata
Eonwe Valar: and Thanks :}
AriehnV: aye amd ready

Eonwe Valar: Elen Sila Lumenn Omentielvo!
Eonwe Valar: Membership:
Eonwe Valar: Varda is out of town on family business the next couple of days. I'm still here if anyone needs anything :}
AriehnV: yay :-)
Eonwe Valar: :}
Eonwe Valar: Any other Membership news?
ArPharazonV: Don't know when she'll see this, but my condolences to Varda.
AriehnV: and my holidays are over officially apart from that two days off coming
AriehnV: and my condolations to her of course as well. Her family will be in my thoughts
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
Iryenth: Gwaihir and I saw The Hobbit yesterday. Mixed feelings overall.
ArPharazonV: 2d or 3?
Iryenth: 3D, though to be honest it didn't add much to the experience, barely utilised at all
Eonwe Valar: That's sad.
Eonwe Valar: I'll probably go see it in a week or two.
ArPharazonV: I don't really go to cinemas. I'll probably hold off until an extended edition dvd.
ArPharazonV: Besides...
ArPharazonV: ..I've read the book.
Eonwe Valar: Hehe.
Iryenth: hahaha
Iryenth: Overall it was a good movie standing on its own, but we were a little disappointed at some of the things that were changed or moved around.
ArPharazonV: Yeah, that was the case for me with LotR as well. It helped to think of it as a stand-alone project that was loosely based on the book, and appreciate it in its own right.
Iryenth: so I would recommend it, but beware that it's not faithful to the book
Eonwe Valar: Yeah, that tends to be the way things go.
Iryenth: Aye, Phara. It will be interesting to see how closely they follow the rest of the story, or not.
ArPharazonV: Out of curiosity, seeing as it's 1/3rd of the new trilogy...
ArPharazonV: where does it stop?
ArPharazonV: IM me if you don't want to spoil it for the rest
Eonwe Valar: OK, onward :}

Eonwe Valar: Web:
Eonwe Valar: In case you missed it from last week's After-meeting, the Games Site has been restyled and had some fancy new stuff thrown in. Check it out :}
Eonwe Valar: if for some reason you don't already know :}
Eonwe Valar: Varda also updated the Quizzes section of the Tolkien Site.
Eonwe Valar: "Quizzes for Fun now have their own frames for easier navigation. Want to make your own?"

Eonwe Valar: Gaming:
Eonwe Valar: WoW:
Eonwe Valar: Feast of Winterveil is going now. don't forget the daily gives Justice Points, and there's a chance you can get a 480 dagger that looks like a Christmas tree, or so I understand.
ArPharazonV: And a pet.
Eonwe Valar: Even better.

Eonwe Valar: LotRO:
Eonwe Valar: I think they're awaiting the release of Update 9.
Eonwe Valar: The official site says the servers are going down Monday "for an update to the game" so that might just be it. [Note: correct, it was Update 9.]

Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news? Now would be a good time for Tolkien topics too.
ArPharazonV: Few bits.
ArPharazonV: Did some more flashgaming, and of those I'll share a frustrating little platformer with you.
ArPharazonV: finding a good site for it...
ArPharazonV: In this game you play CP6, a little sprite that is trying to avoid being deleted by making its way through computer-y platform puzzles.
ArPharazonV: Only half the game is available as of now, but the first half is frustrating enough, and I haven't finished it yet. You have to run across floors and tiles of different colors that'll do different things to you, and the trick is to find, in each level, 3 keys of some sort and then making it to the exit.
ArPharazonV: So good luck!
ArPharazonV: And the second bit:
AriehnV: sounds fun
ArPharazonV: My Little Investigations, a well-made crime-solving MLP fangame (based on the Ace Attorney game series for those who are familiar) has put out a second gameplay demo. It's coming along rather well, and the demo is quite impressive in art and gameplay.
ArPharazonV: Finding you a link.
ArPharazonV: If you're interested, give it a go!
ArPharazonV: And that's it for me.
Eonwe Valar: Thanks Phar :}

Eonwe Valar: Looks like D3 had patch 1.0.6a this past week.
Eonwe Valar: Any other gaming news/other news before we move on?

Eonwe Valar: Tolkien:
Eonwe Valar: How about a quick round of trivia?
Eonwe Valar: If you're here, say Cuivienen.
ArPharazonV: Cuivienen.
Eonwe Valar: Wow, just you and me, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: OK, let's see....
AriehnV: Cuivienen
AriehnV: sort of .. that little game is rather addictive :-P
Eonwe Valar: hehe
ArPharazonV: *grin*
Eonwe Valar: Well it'll only be one round of trivia :}
AriehnV: all right :-)
Eonwe Valar: How many rows of mounds are there for the restingplace of the Kings of Rohan?
ArPharazonV: Hmm. Didn't a third row get started for Eomer?
Eonwe Valar: Did it? :}
ArPharazonV: I don't recall.
Eonwe Valar: Who would've been buried in the last row of the second mound?
ArPharazonV: But that would mean there are 2 rows at the time of the war of the ring, and I'm not sure one mound makes a row ;-)
ArPharazonV: Theoden.
ArPharazonV: ehr...
AriehnV: i dont think so actually he is the brother of Theoden
Eonwe Valar: And why would a third row be started?
AriehnV: /
ArPharazonV: you mean the last mound of the second row?
AriehnV: I mean his son
ArPharazonV: Oh. Right. Theodred.
Eonwe Valar: Er, last mound of the second row, yes.
Eonwe Valar: And it would've been Theoden.
AriehnV: so .. yes Eomer would have started a third isnt it
ArPharazonV: *facepalm* right, Theoden died after his son.
Eonwe Valar: Eomer was the nephew of Theoden, not a direct descendant, so when he died he started a third row for his line.
ArPharazonV: To be fair, those who buried him did.
Eonwe Valar: Technically, yes, hehe.
AriehnV: nine mounds for each line?
AriehnV: Theoden then would be the last of the second row and yes Eomer would start a new line for your answers in short :-)
Eonwe Valar: 9 sounds about right, Arien. Don't recall the exact number off the top of my head for the first two rows.
ArPharazonV: So in 500 years the line was only broken once, up to the war of the ring.
Eonwe Valar: OK, Arien's turn for a question :}
Eonwe Valar: Aye.
ArPharazonV: That's pretty impressive, considering it wasn't a very peaceful era.
Eonwe Valar: Aye.

AriehnV: Simple question .. but it came to my mind when you said "Everyone is here say Cuivienen" ;-)
AriehnV: What does the name actually mean and why is it called that name?
Eonwe Valar: Waters of Awakening, because that's where the Elves first awoke.
ArPharazonV: Not very original choice of words, is it?
ArPharazonV: Hey, we woke up next to this water, let's call it water of waking up
AriehnV: what else would you have wanted it called
Eonwe Valar: Had to call it something :}
AriehnV: Refreshment ocean?
Eonwe Valar: Then again, maybe it wasn't given that name right on the spot.
AriehnV: where abouts was it actually? where in Middlearth? Did that spot survive the first age?
ArPharazonV: Then again. If it was the first time they called anything anything, it would've been original by default.
Eonwe Valar: True Phar, hehe.
Eonwe Valar: It was on the shores of the Inland see of Helcar
Eonwe Valar: see= sea
ArPharazonV: Right, the sea that was formed after the northern lamp fell?
Eonwe Valar: Aye, Iluin.
AriehnV: so near the Helcaraxe
Eonwe Valar: It *looks* on some makes when comparing that the sea of Rhun might be a remnant of the sea of Helcar, but I don't recall actual words saying so off the top of my head, so I wouldn't count that as more than speculation without better proof.
Eonwe Valar: No, the Helcaraxe was at the joining point between Aman and Endor.
ArPharazonV: Helcar just meant North, I think.
AriehnV: ah right the similarity of the name is a bit confusing
ArPharazonV: So we have a northern lake and a northern ice that aren't actually connected
Eonwe Valar: Helka = ice, icy cold
ArPharazonV: Ahh.
AriehnV: right .. if it had been frozen and the ice that originally connected both it wouldnt have been there anymore *looks all knowing"
Eonwe Valar: Quenya helka, Sindarin Khelek.
ArPharazonV: So the sea of Helcar was named after the pillar of ice.
AriehnV: cool :-)
AriehnV: so your turn next Phara or Eonwe by his answer
Eonwe Valar: (I presume Sindarin is khelek anyway, since it states helka as Quenya, but then it might just be the root word.

Eonwe Valar: It's Phar's turn.
ArPharazonV: Hmm, looking through the Silm for something suitably trivial.
ArPharazonV: Allright. Something vaguely similar to Arien's topic.
ArPharazonV: Which (celestial) event marked the awakening of men?
Eonwe Valar: Vaguely similar to Arien's topic, or vaguely similar to Arien? ;}
ArPharazonV: *snicker*
AriehnV: The Creation of the Sun and the Moon?
Eonwe Valar: Specifically, the rising of the Sun :}

ArPharazonV: For a bonus, what was special about this event that was pretty much opposite of what we know about the event now?
ArPharazonV: Yes, the first rising of the sun to be exact.
ArPharazonV: Care to take a guess?
Eonwe Valar: Anar rose in the West and set in the East.
ArPharazonV: Correct!
AriehnV: oh wow true i forgot about this
ArPharazonV: Really? You were there!
ArPharazonV: Quite actively if I recall.

GwaihirValar has entered the room.
GwaihirValar: there we go lol...
Eonwe Valar: Heya Gwaihir :}
GwaihirValar: seven invites later...
GwaihirValar: haha

Eonwe Valar: OK, as a last bit of Tolkien news, Gwaihir has something :}
Eonwe Valar: hehe
AriehnV: oh .. been a long time ago ...must have burn out or something ^^
GwaihirValar: hehe
ArPharazonV: Aiya Gwai!
AriehnV: aiya Gwaihir :-)
GwaihirValar: Some of you may know I have a small personal fantasy/gaming website I write for, but I wanted to share a bit of relevent news in that Gilraen and I went to the Hobbit yesterday and I've written a review for it
Eonwe Valar: Thanks :}
Eonwe Valar: And with that,...
Eonwe Valar: *Bangs gavel*

Eonwe Valar: Aftermeeting :}
Eonwe Valar: Continue chat, read Gwaihir's review, check out the new stuff on the Games Site, whatever you need/want/have time to do :}
ArPharazonV: Reading the review right now. Despite not having seen the movie. Luckily I always love spoilers ;-)
GwaihirValar: I tried to avoid any major spoilers
GwaihirValar: In fact, I always try to avoid much in the way of spoilers in my writing
ArPharazonV: There's a few minor ones which were unavoidable.
GwaihirValar: ya, you can't write an opinion of something with any details without SOME spoilers
ArPharazonV: Like Azog and Radagast.
ArPharazonV: Not complaining, mind you.
GwaihirValar: but... I think it's important to try to keep them being serious things
AriehnV: a really well written review and i love it :-)
GwaihirValar: Thank you :-)
ArPharazonV: Yes, I agree. It's a good review.
GwaihirValar: I appreciate it... I'm not all that good at writing movie reviews, so I'm glad you liked it. :-)
GwaihirValar: I find it much much easier to write about games than movies or tv shows
GwaihirValar: hehe
ArPharazonV: Well I'm not good at reading reviews, so that's fine with me ;-)
AriehnV: and I love the formulation of "It is a movie version of Peter Jackson's interpretation of "The Hobbit"
AriehnV: concise informative and nice game of words .. the kind of thing i always find intriguing :-)
GwaihirValar: Well, if you liked it there are another 200-something articles I've written, so feel free to spend more time there ;-)
ArPharazonV: Your last paragraph before "Overall" has me intrigued.
ArPharazonV: He wasn't actually *in* the story, was he? Because that's just.. chronologically insane.
GwaihirValar: No
GwaihirValar: As an introductory scene
ArPharazonV: Ah, good.
GwaihirValar: they have Bilbo writing the book in the 'future' just prior to the start of LotR
GwaihirValar: and it's an interesting scene, until they bring in the obligatory Elijah Wood 5 minute scene with no purpose
ArPharazonV: Well, I don't know. I recall The Hobbit, both versions of it (both book-versions that is) having some significance with storytelling to Frodo and Gandalf.
ArPharazonV: Like Bilbo telling the first edition version to Frodo and then Frodo dragging the second edition out of him?
GwaihirValar: and that's the core of the first part of the scene, Bilbo saying 'I told you the truth... but not all of the truth' sort of thing
GwaihirValar: then after that it goes to Frodo going and checking the mail
GwaihirValar: and then going off to wait for Gandalf
ArPharazonV: Ah.
ArPharazonV: So it's supposed to take place right before LotR?
GwaihirValar: ya the introductory scene
ArPharazonV: Interesting way of bridging the gap.
GwaihirValar: Ya, the first half of the scene was, the second half was just... I dunno, it felt really out of place to me. But make your own judgement when you eventually see it ;-)
ArPharazonV: Will do :-)
AriehnV: interesting site that .. i ve added it to my favourites :-)
GwaihirValar: Aww thank you :-)
AriehnV: writing good reviews is an art as well , Gwai :-) take that as a compliment who knocks together stories and poems :-D
GwaihirValar: hehe it is definitely a challenge :-)
AriehnV: can imagine

ArPharazonV: Oh, by the way, new production video up on PJ's facebook. Haven't taken the time yet to watch it myself, so I'm not sure what it'll contain, but the link's
AriehnV: thanks :-)

AriehnV: i got to levl 2/2 btw in that sprite game .. my reaction is just not fast anymore to get further ^^
ArPharazonV: I've struggled for a bit at points, getting a few levels further every day. I think I'm now at 3/6 or something, and I just can't get past it yet.
ArPharazonV: Take some rest, try again another time :-)
AriehnV: aye will do :-)
AriehnV: just wanting to bring this tiny mage to Splintertree Post ^^
AriehnV: then bed
ArPharazonV: Well, I just meant a rest from the game, not that you had to go to bed ;-) that's your choice
AriehnV: hihi i know i know
AriehnV: but its that way , the belf area is a bit far away from Ashenvale .. but its a nice place to quest and grind wool same time *shrugs* so thats definitely the next station
ArPharazonV: Aren't bloodelves supposed to go to Hillsbrad?
AriehnV: maybe :-) , but i had to stop of in Orgrimmar anyway *grin*
AriehnV: dont like the Undead area particularly altho lorewise it would make more sense
AriehnV: Namarie for now :-)
AriehnV has left the room.
Iryenth has left the room.
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